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I WOULD LIKE TO THANK ALL OF THE DOG HUNTERS THAT CAME TO SHOW THEIR SUPPORT FOR DOG HUNTING, AND TRYING TO KEEP THE DOG HUNTING TRADITION ALIVE ON STATE LANDS. WE HAVE JUST AS MUCH RIGHT TO THE STATE LANDS AS THE STILL HUNTERS.

IF THE DAVE MORELAND'S, AND THE OTHER WILDLIFE OFFICIALS GO BY THAT MEETING DOG HUNTING SHOULD NEVER END, EVEN ON STATE LANDS, THEY HAD PLENTY PEOPLE THERE AND PLENTY OF PEOPLE SPOKE THEIR MIND AND ONLY ONE OR TWO DID NOT WANT DOG HUNTING ON STATELANDS. THE DOG HUNTERS WERE UNITED, STONG, AND WERE TRUTHFUL, RIGHT, AND HAD PLENTY OF GOOD POINTS.

AS FOR AS THE TAGGING SYSTEM THEY HAD A FEW PEOPLE TALK ABOUT IT AND IT WENT BOTH WAYS, BUT MOST OF THE PEOPLE DID NOT LIKE THE AMOUNT OF DOES ALLOWED, AND PLENTY DID NOT LIKE THE DEER FOR SALE PROGRAM.

WHY CAN WE BAIT DEER AND NOT TURKEYS,DUCKS, OR DOVES?

I HOPE THAT THE DECISION MAKERS TOOK SOME GOOD NOTES, AND GO BY OUR INPUT.

THANKS FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
TIME FOR SOME FUN
LET THEM DOGS RUN
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Thank you Mr. Dawg
I would like to take this opportunity to encourage all you land owners and hunters to complete a
public comment form letting the wildlife and fisheries commission known that you support the
decision to ban dog hunting on public land.

Thanks and good hunting.

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Yep, I was there
I was there and will agree, the dog hunters showed up in force. I heard all kind of topics from how grandpa put you on his knee to how the kids played Nitendo games and won't hunt unless they dog hunt. I heard stories of whats fair and traditional, I heard stories of how this puts the poor man out of business, but he can feed 20 plus dogs. I heard very little on the issue but EXCUSES. I still have not heard how you are going to keep your dogs OFF MY PROPERTY. I heard bragging of how a dog can run a deer for miles. I heard how you manage public property like your own hence prohibiting the public from hunting it and running it like a club you OWN. Yes, I was there but didn't hear much on the issues just how good the dog hunters are to the public. All I can say is the dog hunters are in denial or could care less about joe blow public. This issue has been going on for years, getting worst each year and the DOG HUNTERS have offered NO SOLUTIONS. Let's just stick to the issue and solve it, KEEP YOUR DOGS OFF OTHERS PROPERTY. Yep, I was there and still have not heard how the individual that goes on the state land woods long before daylight and sets up in his stand only the be surrounded by dog hunters is STILL hunting and not DOG hunting as it is only a matter of time till the dogs bark around him. Lets get real and think about not only have you mess up this individual but from a safety standpoint he is not part of your group and it is UNSAFE for him to wander around with lines of people with guns on both sides of him. I support the task force recommendation !!
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JT
YOU SURE KNOW HOW TO TALK BEHIND A COMPUTER AND YOU HAVE A LOT TO SAY, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM YOU WASN'T MAN ENOUGH TO SPEAK YOUR MIND AT THE MEETING. YET, YA'LL LIKE TO SPEAK YA'LL MIND WHEN NO ONE IS THERE TO SET THE FACTS STRAIGHT, YA'LL LIKE TO TREAT PEOPLE AND DEER THE SAME WAY AMBUSH AND BLIND SIDED, SPEAK YOUR MIND WHEN IT COUNTS AND CAN BE DEFENDED OTHERWISE SHUT-UP, AND LET FREEDOM RING AND THE HOUNDS SING.
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Yes I Have Been Speaking
HOUNDDAWG
I am against banning dog hunting!!, Just do it with out impacting me. OFFER the task force A SOLUTION!! I have spoken out many time over the past and as this is not a NEW PROBLEM. See task force minutes from the 80's and 90's and issues 2004. I have spoken my mine as the agenda called for either FOR or AGAINST recomendation, not the long winded reasons why you can't keep you dogs off my property. I heard what y'all had to say and I know the issues but I still haven't heard the SOLUTION. I heard banning feeding, tracking collars, game management, etc. but still don't understand how this will stop you from impacting me. I heard COMPROMISE but have not seen it from your group. If you could only hunt 1 day, how is going to stop you from running dogs on my property. The task force was formed many months back, see meeting schedule and agenda on LDWF website, THIS IS NOT NEW, Where have you been???
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MEETING
I HAVE BEEN SITTING BACK LISTENING TO ALL OF WHINING, AND CRYING ABOUT DOGS, I DID NOT THINK THAT YA'LL WERE A THREAT, BUT THIS ISSUE KEEPS COMING UP AND APPARENTLY YOU ARE A THREAT TO THE GREAT SPORT OF DOG HUNTING. THAT WAS THE FIRST OF MANY MEETINGS I PLAN TO ATTEND ON THE SUBJECT.
AS FOR AS YOU SPEAKING YOUR MIND YOU SURE WAS QUIET THAT NIGHT. I DO NOT KNOW WHERE YOU HUNT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT MY DOGS AFFECT YOU. IF AND WHEN MY DOGS DO CROSS THE PROPERTY LINE MOST OF THE TIME THEY ARE RUNNING YOU A DEER THAT CAME OFF OF MY PROPERTY, SO YOU NOW HAVE AN EXTRA DEER ON YOUR PROPERY, BUT PROBABLY NOT YOU PROBABLY WILL SHOOT IT AND I DON'T BLAME YOU IT'S YOUR PROPERTY, YOU ARE DEER HUNTING AND A DEER CAME IN YOUR CROSS HAIRS. I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU HUNT, BUT THE FUNNY THING IS WHERE I HUNT DURING STILL SEASON THEY ARE A LOT LESS SO CALLED STILL HUNTING THAN DURING DOG SEASON, THE ONLY STILL HUNTING THEY ARE DOING IS SITTING STILL WAITING ON US TO TURN OUR HOUNDS LOOSE. GO FIGURE
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ban
yes i filled my ldwf form against public land dog hunting---
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BAN
HEY, NUTCRACKERHEAD, I FILLED OUT MY FORM TO OPPOSE THE DOG HUNTING BAN.
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BAN
Filled mine out to ban em.
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Still waiting
I am still waiting to hear a REAL (not a laime excuse) legit arguement in favor of dog hunting. If anyone can give me that, hell, I'll become a dog hunter myself. I don't care how many dog hunters show up at meetings, or how much of a tradition it is, or anything. Just guarantee that you guys can keep your dogs off of private property. That's all you have to do. Let's hear it.
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deer doggers suck
i wish they would ban dogs on public and private lands.
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?
"WHERE I HUNT DURING STILL SEASON THEY ARE ALOT LESS SO CALLED STILL HUNTING THAN DURING DOG SEASON, THE ONLY STILL HUNTING THEY ARE DOING IS SITTING STILL WAITING ON US TO TURN OUR HOUNDS LOOSE. GO FIGURE."

Now Jo Pete, surely this isn't a description of what we do....course, I don't know of any other "still hunters" around there that you could be referring to. Don't be confused, I haven't heard a day go by yet where someone wasn't complaining about the dogs around their stands....NO ONE is waiting on you to turn your dogs loose. it is a major thorn in my side, and the rest of our memebrs...dog season that is.....I would be much, much, much happier without them ever on my property, as would the rest of my members....now, I know that surely isn't possible, as dogs "can't read posted signs"....but never fear, if you could tell me where ya'll are running every day, I can promise you every member of my club would be as far away from that area as is humanly possible......may be something to try next year...as far as why more people are at the camp during dog season, that is probably because over 2/3rds of the season is dog season, and it just so happens that it also coincides with the Christmas and New years holidays, when most people like to take their vacations, and when the rut around there is trying to get started...not to mention the almost 20 degree difference in temperatures during late December and January....

The irony in all of this, though, is that dog hunters are on the deer dog advisory council....they are the ones that agreed with this "compromise"....you are being sold out by your own hunting companions.....your own association.....just wait till the next proposal.....this is why I keep saying that many dog hunters should be trying to understand and try to enact positive change instead of fighting blindly to keep what is only working for them....You will want friends badly in another year or two....you will NEED friends badly in another year or two....and the friends you will need won't be dog hunters....
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??????
When will these guys start to make sense? They just keep proving the case against dog hunting. That's like saying there are fewer cars on the highways before the Christmas travel season. I guess you could say that the increase in travelers is due to the dog season. haha
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Well
Chad...I don't know you or know where you hunt but I can tell you that where we hunt most..but not all the still hunters are waiting around at the camp at 6 am....& when the dogs get closer to them they HIT THE WOODS......Where we hunt it's 2 big dog clubs(1000's of acres leased) with a small strip of state land through it.....There are a few hunters that are in the woods before daylight which is a true still hunter & we get along good with these guys....They catch our dogs & we shoot the bull often....They have killed some nice deer in front of our dogs....but hey that's how it goes....I'm glad for them....& 1 more thing.....You can go to the landing on opening day of Still(Rifle)season & there are a few guys going hunting but buddy I promise you if you go on opening weekend of dogs you won't find a place to park....This is not a guess this is a FACT....We didn't run dogs the opening weekend (2yrs in a row) because it was Doe day & the opening weekend still hunters are in such great numbers....I will agree with you that more people hit the woods around the X-Mas & New Years time because of no school,vacation,rut,etc...but,I'm still wondering why there is so many on opening weekend of dogs?? It's still pretty warm & where we hunt the rut isn't even close...Help me out here....LOL...Have a good day!
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stop arguing
ok..Why are yall arguing...i mean come on..yall are talking about nothing...who cares if u still hunt or dog hunt..hunting is hunting..
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Chew Rouge
You do have a point there....seems to be alot more people at the landings during dog season....I think that some of it is because there are alot of dog hunters....more so than still hunters in certain areas anyway.....

We get along good with Houndawg and the rest of them too....there is no ill will really at all....some of them stop at the camp and will talk for a couple hours at a time sometimes...we try to help with returning dogs as well...We have a rule at our place that everyone has to be on their stands and in place before legal shooting hours begin, and we have to stay until at least 9:30....so our day is planned, and everyone HAS to be in the woods before dogs even think about getting turned loose....I guess pretty much the same situation that you are talking about with the adjoining club next to you....just wanted to make sure that it was understood that we in no way are desiring to be near the dogs, or where they are turned loose...our hunts are only planned around them if we can figure out where they are running, so we can be on the other side of the woods....
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BIG_BUCK_DOWN
STILL HUNTING AND DOG HUNTING IN NO WAY ARE THE SAME.IVE HUNTED WITH AND WITHOUT USING DOGS.I PREFER THE WITHOUT.STILL HUNTING NEVER SEEMED TO BOTHER ANYBODY ELSE. WHILE THE DOGS NEVER CARED WHO THEY BOTHERED OR WHOS PROPERTY THEY WERE ON.COMPLETLY TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF HUNTING.
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OK
I DIDNT THEY WERE ALIKE..I SAID HUNTING IS HUNTING..but i prefer without dogs...unless im coon hunting
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PAPA-T
Good Post PAPA-T. We are hurting ourselves with these negative post we have about each other. The ANTI-HUNTING groups and ANIMAL RIGHTS group will use it against us. We would be better off just not posting all this stuff no matter which type of hunting you prefer. Just my 1 1/2 cents.
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HUNTING
I AGREE WITH YOU HUNTING IS HUNTING, AND WE NEED TO STOP ARGUING. I LIKE TO RUN DOGS IN THE MORNINGS AND STILL HUNT IN THE EVENINGS, I LIKE TO HUNT ANYWAY I CAN. I LOVE TO RUN MY DOGS IN THE MORNING. THE REASON WHY I AM DOING ALL OF THIS, ARGUING OR NEGATIVE POST AS SOME PEOPLE CALL IT IS I AM TRYING TO DEFEND THE WAY I HUNT, BEFORE IT IS GONE. HERE IS A SOLUTION KEEP THE AMOUNT OF DOG DAYS, JUST START THE SEASON EARLY LIKE NOV. 1 TO THE END OF DECEMBER, THEN STILL SEASON ONLY ALL OF JAN. AND THE FIRST TWO WEEKS OF FEB. THAT WAY WE CAN STILL HUNT THE RUT, SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT COMPROMISE.
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Mr. Dawg
Thanks for the suggestion. I have one question, how will this solve the problem for the folks that don't hunt or hunters after other game that don't want the dogs on their property?
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Meeting
Until Dog Hunters as a whole can come up with a "SOLUTION TO KEEP THEIR DOGS OFF OF OTHER'S PROPERTY" they will continue to be scrutinized and under the gun so to speak. Defending the way you hunt with dogs and why will continue to fall on death ears. If dog hunters as a group can't solve the problem, believe me, state officials and other anti-hunters will solve it for them, probably in a way they don't like. I have dog hunted in the past, but choose to still hunt only these days. I remember trying to catch dogs after a hunt and trying to keep them off of private property. After talking with people that really hated to see dogs on their property and understanding their situation, I gave up the dog hunting and choose not to participate in any dog hunts. That was just my choice and how I feel about it.
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Jo pete
That was a suggestion I made several years back to Tommy Prickett....I think it would definitely work out better to have still season during the rut....great idea....but also like others have said, that would only solve one small issue...
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hunting
it's nice to see the discussion stayed clean this time and not deleted.Some good ideas are now churning.Some i have heard before like chad said,but how will you keep your dogs on your property? that i have not heard yet.except to fence in your property.which some serious dog hunters do with $$$ of course.
chew asked "why are they so many hunters on opeaning day of dog season"? on public & private lands.help me" So i realized why we do. it's because we have hunted since bow season,likely found by now where the deer are, honed in on your place for gun season, only to have someone else come busting through your hunting area..so why-not get some more family & friends to get a chance to help you cover your spots.even if it's a small strip of public land you hunt, it's still supposed to be your spot for the day.so you scouted for your hunting party already.the dogs are comming.
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DOGS
I CAN NOT SPEAK FOR ALL DOG HUNTERS, BUT AS FOR MY CLUB AND MYSELF, WE DO NOT WANT OUR DOGS GOING ON THE OTHER LEASE JUST AS BAD AS THEY DON'T WANT THEM THERE. WE HAVE A FEW MEMBERS THAT TRY AND CATCH OUR DOGS WHILE THE OTHER MEMBERS ARE CLEANING DEER, AS A MATTER OF FACT WE HAVE SOME MEMBERS LOOK FOR DOGS UNTIL DARK. I KNOW WHAT YA'LL THINK IF YOU DON'T WANT YOUR DOGS ON THE NEIGHBORS PROPERTY DON'T TURN THEM LOOSE, THAT'S NOT A GOOD ANSWER, WE ARE TRYING, AND WE TRY TO BE CIVIL, AS FOR OTHER DOG HUNTERS I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THEM, THEY HAVE BAD APPLES IN EVERY BUNCH, EVEN IN YOUR BUNCH, I LIKE TO FIND SOME COMPROMISE OTHER THAN NO DOGS.
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Boundary Lines????????
I say let's do just like the dog hunters do. Forget the boundary lines! Just cross on over to their land and set you up a lock on. Let them see how it feels not to have control of your own land! It's ashame that I basically abandon a 300 acre track each year because it is surrounded by a dog hunting club. I got tired of watching their hounds run up and down my pipelines. The least they could do is come on over and invite me to hunt with them. Instead, I parked my truck on one of their parking areas for five minutes one day to unload a trailer, and I was asked to leave. Ironic! You can bet that the first time they found you hunting on their land, they'd pitch a fit!

P.S. Hounddawd.......trying to keep your dogs off isn't good enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'll "TRY" to stay off your land!
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Dog Hunting
I have dog hunted many times in the past when I was younger. And enjoyed it to the fullest. They were not my dogs, always was invited. Not knowing what I was doing by having dogs go on to others property, beings as I was a young man and had no care what others thought. Since then I gave up on dog hunting. I have been hunting 135 acre private tract of land for almost 10 yrs now. I have patiently waited and watched as I saw dogs run across my fences, threw my foodplot that I spent all summer long preparing, watering the grass threw the drouts. I have proof, Pictures from game cam says it all. I just dont know who the dogs belong to. Yeah it made me extremely angry. People, hunters, outdoorsman ought to have enuff respect for one another to atleast to keep there dogs off of others property. When we ran deer dogs, we allways set up boundries and didn't have to much of a problem and never ever lost a dog. That's being illresponsible to let your dog go onto others land. I do not tolerate other people's dogs on my property anymore, we act with extreme prejudice against stray dogs !!!

Answer me this, I choose to build and maintain my foodplots(2) every year. Why is it fair for me to do all this work, run a corn feeder all year, buy the seed, germinate the seed, water and fertalize it, make it grow to attract the wildlife only to have the dog hunters bring their dogs in to dissrupt my area that is private property, not even public ground.

And I don't wanna hear all this bull about it being to expensive to do this year in and year out, because it's probly cheaper to do this but as in most cases, it's alot easier in the afternoon to throw out a bucket full of dog feed than it is to go out and work the land for the game anymore. EXTREME PREJUDICE
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DC
DeRidder Chapter, What do you mean by EXTREME PREJUDICE?
As for as you running dogs and they never were lost, either the dogs that you ran were a sad sack of hounds or you are full of bull. We try the best we can to stop our dogs from going onto other peoples property in the spillway where I hunt but sometimes they get through but when they do they are bringing game onto the next property not taking game off.

Big John if you feel that strongly against dog hunting why would you want an invite from dog hunters? Sounds as if you are mad because you were told something for trespassing, 5 minutes or 5 hours same difference. Being the type of person I am I would have let you unload your trailer and said nothing other than asked if you needed a hand or how has your hunting season been.

Chad I still think that you are a deer expert. I was giving you a compliment. Myself I think deer are a lot like people complex and hard to understand, once you think you have them figured out, something changes and you were wrong, or they fooled you. Genectics has a lot to do with it to, you could let a deer with bad genes walk for 5 years and still have nothing.
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ok
ok..i have somethin to say...If they wanna ban deer hunting with dogs..then why not ban duck hunting with dogs..i know they arent the same..but think about it..they both use dogs...????? just my opinion..
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Totally Different
It is not the act of hunting with dogs that has people wanting to ban it. It is the unfixable problem of deer dogs running on property that they do not belong on. I could care less how someone hunts as long as it does not affect me. When the people hunting the property next to mine turn their dogs loose, the dogs run straight to my property and affect the way I prefer to hunt. If they want to run dogs, by all means, run dogs. If they can find a way to keep their dogs from ruining the way I choose to hunt then I would not have a single complaint. I have heard a million excuses, I have not, however, heard a single SOLUTION to the problem of dogs running on land that they do not belong. I have said this before and I will say it again ... Run your dogs, run 'em until they can't run anymore. Run your dogs on your property, not mine.
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public lands
i know some of the comments are towards private lands but the topic is public lands--once dog season starts on public lands it is over for the still hunters--as of this minute private lands from wrehausuer and roy o martin are stopping dog hunting on there leases--so the hand writing is on the wall--this means more dog pressure on public lands with more complaints --what goes around comes around --dog hunters have brought this on themselves--
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Dog Hunting
As Far as public property hunting, it is what it is, PUBLIC. As long as it's open to the public , dog hunters have every right to be there as still hunters do. Ever heard of disscrimination? What's the difference in this issue of public land hunting with dog's and not with dog's and the colored people of the fifties and sixties having to eat at other resturants, or not being able to drink from da same fountain. I know we aren't talking race here , but disscrimination is what I'm seeing as far as public land is concerned. I beleive they have just as much right to be there as the next fellow.

As far as my private land is concerned, when I say Extreme Prejudice, that's exactly what I mean. I do not want to confuse any dog hunter out there. When I say Extreme Prejudice , it's what I mean . I didn't tell you it was ok for you to pass your hounds across my land. Ya Know , you might wanna stop by and let someone know, I'm running my dogs tomorrow, I'll try and keep em off of your land. But No, it's forget them other people, these are my hounds and if they run across their lnad , Tuff. Well Well Well , after 10 or so years of putting up with this, yeah the only other option is extreme prejudice. I mean what I say, if you can't respect me , then I'm not going to respect you.

But please, by all means. Keep public dog hunting open for ever. I'm all for it.
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Big Buck Down
Your comparison to duck hunting with dogs and deer hunting with dogs makes no since to me. You are talking about two toally differnt types of hunting. 99% of the time a duck dog is going to pick up a duck and return to its master a deer dog just takes off running and you have to go catch it after the hunt is over. Just seems like a very bad comparison to me.
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DeRidder
I won't even waiste the time responding to that statement. Just answer one question.......How do you intend to keep your dogs off my property? There are little 40 acre pieces of state land scattered all over the place, one of which happens to be in the middle of land that we lease. How do you keep your dogs on 40 acres? Give me a REAL answer.

P.S.
Don't think that by bringing up race or civil rights, that Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton will come to the rescue.haha. But hey, when all else fails, play the race card, right? Too bad you can't somehow link dog hunting to teacher pay raises, then you could really gain support from the mind numb robots.
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Meeting
DeRidder Chapter, there is know way you can compare the discrimination that happen to Black people, not colored, in the 50s and 60s, to what is going on with the lack of support for dog hunters today. If you can find a method to keep your dogs on your property, know one can discriminate against your dog hunting. Black people in the 50s and 60s didn't have a choice, because there were laws that forbid them from being treated fairly and a culture that practiced keeping them from being equal. This is coming from a black man. There is no way you can compare the two....my opinion.
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no comparison
I agree, there is no comparison and completely unfair to compare the dog hunting scenario with racism today or the past.

You may think of it as discrimination, but don't compare it to the suppression of another race.

So you think its discrimination to prevent you from turning loose dogs on state land. Well if you believe thats true, then I also believe its discrimination if you release dogs on public land. The moment you turn those dogs loose, everyone on that state land is now forced to dog hunt. You are discriminating against the ducks hunters trying to call in ducks, you are discriminating against the squirrel hunters trying to sit quietly under an oak tree and shoot a few squirrels, you are discriminating against a still hunter that set up a stand overlooking a fresh scrape he has found.

If no deer dogs are involved you can have dozens of hunters of hunters take part in whatever form of hunting they want to on a 1 square mile section of land. However, once the deer dogs are released, everyone is forced to do your thing. This is the part that you seem to miss, or simply do not care about.

I have seen hundreds of people running dogs on state land when I was younger. EVERY single time they were running around in boats trying to stay ahead of the dogs, sitting on the bow of the boat with their rifle at hand. Every single time I was in a duck blind and the dogs came near me, so did the so called hunters. It didn't matter to them that I was there at 4:00 in the morning with all my decoys out. They'd pull up right to my decoys and park their boat if the dogs were right behind me. How many ducks do you think I shot with them sitting in my decoys.

Now I have watched people deer hunt with dogs the right way. They release the dogs on islands where the dogs cannot go on other people's land, and everyone sits in a deerstand. That would probably be an enjoyable experience. But one of the reasons I quit hunting that state land was because I was tired of the dog hunters pushing their type of hunting on me. If you can go hunting and only minimally effect other hunters if at all, I think you should be able to do whatever is legal. But when your hunting method affects every hunter in the region, I think something needs to be done.
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why ya'll so bitter?
deritter that's brilliant.i guess drakerat will chastise me for that.but please clarify extreme prejudice toward a dog.I don't understand.
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Give me facts
The fact is....you guys are just about out of excuses. Race is always brought up as the last desperate attempt.

Oops, I forgot. They didn't bring up Jesus yet. The next post will probably be...."Jesus was a dog hunter"......It says it in the bible..."and mankind shall letith the dogs howl amongst the trail of the horned beast".
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HELLO HENRY
YOU SAY DOG HUNTERS FORCE THEIR WAY OF HUNTING ON OTHER PEOPLE, HOW ABOUT THIS WE HAVE A STILL HUNTING ONLY SEASON AND A DOG HUNTING ONLY SEASON, LETS HAVE THEM BE EQUAL IN THE AMOUNT OF DAYS. STILL HUNTERS CAN GO FIRST SO THE DEER WON'T BE SO-SAY SPOOKED. THAT WAY DOGS WON'T AFFECT YOU IN ANY WAY
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Mr. Dawg,
Again Mr. Dawg I don't see how this will solve the problem for land owners that don't want dogs on their property or hunters after other game.
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Meeting
No suggestions that will keep the dogs off land they are not wanted yet. I will continue to keep my eyes on the post. Race is not any type of issue concerning the dog hunting, so hope no one tries to bring it in...
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Hounddawg...
Your suggestion won't make them happy either....Last year in Area 6 if the still hunter played his cards right...he had 138 days total to hunt, of which 94 of them were: NO DOG DAYS...Now,I can understand the people that have private land that borders state land & the dog hunters that don't give a hoot about them running all over their stuff being PO'ed but, like I said before...Where I hunt it is 2 big dog hunting clubs that unfortunatly has a small strip of state land in the middle.... but we have more problems with the still hunters slipping in on our leased land than the dogs going on others private stuff...but that's just where I hunt....I've also noticed reading these post that it is unfortunate that La.Sportsman doesn't have spell check on here because some of you really need to use it. Yall have a good one!
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I don't hate dog hunting!
SAMBEAUX ... I don't hate dog hunting or the dog hunters. What I hate is having someone on my property that doesn't belong there. Having their dogs run my property at will. I have no problem with dog hunting if you keep your dogs off my property. There is no possible way that you can comvince me that you are justified in crossing those boundary lines. It is not everyone else's responsibility to keep your dogs within your property, it's yours! I don't even go on my neighbors property to track a wounded animal without getting their permission first. I have a good relationship with most of them and they appreciate the respect given. It seems to be only the dog hunters that don't have any respect for the boudary lines. As far as for me dog hunting, I would rather be hunting with them "ON MY PROPERTY", then to watch their dogs run my pipelines. It's better then me going find someplace else to hunt and I would consider it a compromise on my part!!
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HOUNDDAWG
So you want to shut down rabbit, squirrel, and duck season also at the same time and have a period of DEER HUNTING WITH DOGS ONLY???? I never did any deer hunting on the state lands. I was always duck hunting or trying to kill a rabbit or squirrel. When duck hunting they park right next to my decoys preventing any duck from coming in. Even if they wouldn't park right there, the dogs would constantly be barkign right behind me keeping the ducks away. They'd work for a little while, but they would never decoy with the dogs barking nearby. The other times I was mostly rabbit hunting, but would end up leaving for fear of getting shot. These hunters would follow the dogs anywhere and everywhere no matter where my boat was parked.

So you want to keep 4 different types of hunters out of the woods to make 1 group happy??? Why don't we keep 1 group off of the state lands and make 4 groups happy?

If you can show me a way where you can do your thing with your dogs and not affect anyone else, we can end this debate right now. If you can come up with a solution so that dog hunters can keep their dogs off of other PRIVATE lands, we can end this debate right now.

If a dog hunter can't come up with these solutions, I'm afraid they will end up paying the consequences. I personally would rather see a solution than any ban on dog hunting, but I've yet to hear or read of a solution.

What everyone needs to do is stop arguing, bickering, and calling each other names and come up with a solution. I'm honestly on your side and would rather see a solution than a ban. So tell me how we can keep the dogs off of private property and tell me how you can hunt with dogs on state lands without interfering with everyone else? If you can come up with a solution to these 2 issues, i'd be willing to bet that 99.99% of the still hunters will be on your side.
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Cry babies (still hunters)on state land
To all of you cry baby still hunters, that hunt on STATE Land!!If you dont want to get "YOUR" hunt "RUINED" by dog hunters hunting on "STATE LAND" go find another damm place to hunt!!
Remember this land is there for EVERYBODY!!!! to hunt, EVERYBODY!!!! not just you and your crying ass pals to still hunt only. Now for the guys that have "PRIVATE" land I can understand your point about the dogs gettin on your land, but the state land still hunters aint got nuffin to be b!tch!n bout!!!JUST LEAVE!!!
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Meeting
Let me start by saying that I am a die hard still hunter. I would however never try and stop dog hunting. This is a lifelong pasttime that should never ever be taken away from the loyal die hard dog hunters. I can say that I absolutely loved dog hunting when I did it and there is no greater rush because you always know you are going to see something. The major problem is the bad dog hunters out there that let their dogs run rampant on private landowners land and run their trucks or atv's all over someone else's land. But if you love to do it then by all means god bless you and keep em running.
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Thanks
seduktor,

Thanks for making my point. Its attitudes like that why this is an issue. It is possible for the still hunters, rabbit hunters, squirrel hunters, and duck hunters to all get along in the woods and go about their own thing without interferring with each other. Sure run ins will happen and that is to be expected on public land, but those encounters are unintentional and the majority of the times no one's hunt is ruined.

The moment you drop off your dogs, you are saying the hell with everyone else out here that wants to rabbit hunt, squirrel hunt, still hunt, or duck hunt. You are 100% right, public land is for everyone. But when you turn your dogs loose, you are preventing others from doing what they want to do.

Everytime the dog hunters were out, I was forced off of the public property. Well I guess I wasn't forced off, I could have stayed there, listened to the dogs, shot nothing and maybe even gotten myself shot.
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B.S.
This has NOTHING!!!!! to do with ANYTHING other than "KEEP YOUR DOGS AND YOURSELF OFF OF MY PROPERTY". And if you don't want to hear all the whinning, then shut the hell up. If you could keep your dogs on state land, that would be fine, but you can't, and I'm not going to sit here and listen to you pretend like you can. And if the state can't keep their "public dog hunters" from drifting on to neighboring PRIVATE PROPERTY, then I hold the state responsible for doing whatever they have to do to keep "public dog hunters" off of my property.

This is about TRESPASSING!!!!!!

Just keep exposing yourself for what you are. I hope the right people are reading these posts.

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Bobby B
You talk about the "bad dog hunters". Well, tell me about the good dog hunters. What is the difference between the two? How do the good dog hunters keep their dogs off of neighboring leases? And where are these good dog hunters? I would love to meet one. Tell me how they do it without mentioning in the same sentence that their neighbors don't mind the dogs on their property. That's not my idea of controlling dogs. That's just having neighbors that don't mind.

Definition of "good dog hunter": One who has neighbors that don't mind trespassers.
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state land=public property
why do the dog-hunters think that they have the right to mess with people that are out on public lands enjoying themselves? plenty of non-hunters and anti-hunters would like to enjoy the public land too.they just choose not to during hunting season.because of all the inconsiderate hunters that think this is their time of year to use the land.look at all the states that don't allow hunting on SUNDAY..that's so people who don't hunt can enjoy their own private land. and not be bothered 7-days a week by some kind of hunter.not public.keep it up. and you"careless-dog hunter"will wish all the still-hunting-crybabies will come to your rescue when the dog tradition dies because of your actions.still have not heard a soultion. but i am not for banning dogs in Louisiana because their are plenty of good people that hunt deer with dogs. plus I like to rabbit hunt & sometimes deer hunt with dogs.but i don't like all the problems you run into with letting a bunch of dogs loose.
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NEWORLEANSLOOTER
DEFINITION OF A GOOD STILL HUNTER_________. NO SUCH THING.
A GOOD STILL HUNTER WOULD HUNT DEER AND NOT WORRY ABOUT ALL THIS MESS.
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Papa-T
Boy you are right!.....Society today has hardly any respect....Happens with dog hunters,still hunters,bass fisherman & saltwater fisherman & people in general....I'm in a dog running lease and from time to time I'll go still hunt in the afternoon's on some state land down the river....I've had guys see me & still set up 100 yds from me.....Bass fishing...I fish topwater & people don't hardly ever slow down when passing by you anymore & if they do happen to slow down it's because they gonna stop & start fishing right in front of you & God forbid I catch a couple of legal bass & keep them to eat for supper....WOW!! I'm now a criminal....Saltwater fishing....people watch to see if you catching anything & if you do...hum, you better just find another spot because they are coming!....Have had my line or bait caught by other baits more times than I wish to discuss....& big money will control everything before long.....We had a duck lease years ago that an oilfield company wanted & outbid us by $5000....So it can happen....And, there are plenty of people out there that want more than anything to have all hunting of anything stopped....We would all probably be shocked with just how many & how many high profile people would support this.....My 2 cents....Good Night!
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???????
Still no answer? I've been waiting for weeks now. All I get is the same old Boudreaux and Thibodeaux response.
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RESPECT
CHEW ROUGE AND PAP T YA'LL ARE DEAD ON WITH THE RESPECT THING. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO FISHING, THE HIGH DOLLAR MAN IN THE BIG BASS RIGS MOST NOT ALL HAVE LITTLE OR NO RESPECT WHEN THEY ARE ON THE WATER, THEY THINK BECAUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE POWER AT THEIR JOBS MEANS THAT THEY CONTROL THE WATER, BUT THEY WRONG, THEM SOME PEOPLE ITS NOT A RESPECT THING IT IS IGNORANCE. I SEE THAT A LOT AND IT IS MOSTLY CITY SLICKERS, NOT LOCALS. THEY ONCE HAD THREE SOBS IN A BIG BASS BOAT AND CAME SO CLOSE WHEN THEY PASSED ME THE ROOSTER TAIL SPRAYED ME, SO I FOLLOWED THEIR BUBBLES, AND ASKED OTHER FISHERMEN IF THEY CAME BY THEM ON MY WAY TRACKING THEM DOWN, WHEN I FOUND THEM AND GAVE THEM A FEW CHOICE WORDS, ONE WAS A SMARTA##, THE OTHER TWO WERE ALRIGHT, HE CALMED DOWN QUICKLY SO I DID NOT HAVE TO WORK THEM OVER WITH A PADDLE, I WOUULD HAVE TO,
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LOOTER
WITH A NAME LIKE NEWORLEANSLOOTER, THAT TELLS ME WHAT KIND OF A PERSON YOU MUST BE. AS FOR A SOLUTION ABOUT DOG HUNTING I DO NOT SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE WAY IT IS NOW, SURE MY DOGS GO ON THE PROPERTY NEXT TO ME, BUT IT IS NOT THAT OFTEN OR ON PURPOSE, THEY HAVE OTHER DOG HUNTERS IN THE AREA ALSO. DOG HUNTING HAS BEEN GOING ON FOREVER, AND SINCE I SAW THE RACE CARD PULLED THE OTHER DAY LET ME PUT IT TO YOU LIKE THIS. STILL HUNTERS COMPLAINING ABOUT DOGS IS LIKE A WHITE MAN MOVING INTO A BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD, AND COMPLAINS THAT WHEN HE SITS ON HIS PORCH TO READ HIS PAPER HE SEES BLACKS WALKING ON THE ROAD, AND ON THEIR PORCH ACROSS THE STREET, SAME DIFFERENCE.
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No my friend, that would be called racism. Also, what's in a name anyway? I live 100 miles from New Orleans, and have never stolen anything in my life. It was just the first thing that popped in my head. I happened to be reading the newspaper when I registered. Christ, give me a break. If I had to give you a mental picture of what I think of when I read "HOUNDDAWG", it would be a toothless redneck spitting tobacco and wipeing his mouth on his "Dukes of Hazard" t-shirt. But I don't actually believe it.

P.S. You do realize wrasslin' is not real, don't you?

Just kidding!!!!!!
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dumb dogs
HOUNDDAWG, I HOPE YOU SEE THE PROBLEM. yOU JUST SAID, SURE YOUR DOGS GO ONTO THE PROPERTY NEXT TO YOURS. bUT YOU THINK THATS NOT A PROBLEM? iF YOU CAME HOME AND SOMEONE WAS IN YOUR HOUSE YOU DIDN'T KNOW, IT WOULD BE O.K. BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T MEAN TO OR THEY ONLY DO IT SOMETIMES. HELL START LETTING PEOPLE DRIVE YOUR VEHICLES, OR SLEEP WITH YOUR OLD LADY.
DOG HUNT ALL YOU WANT, BUT HOW CAN ANYONE COME ON HERE AND SAY SOMEONE ELSE HAS TO LIVE WITH YOUR DOGS ON THEIR LAND? CAN I COME TO YOUR HOUSE AND WHILE YOUR WATCHING TV AND JUST CHANGE THE CHANNEL TO WHAT I WANT. HELL NO! WHATS THE DIFFERENCE. KEEP YOUR DOGS OFF OUR LAND AND THEY WILL LIVE LONGER.
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yep
THE COLD HARD TRUTH!!!!!!!
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chew rouge
yep know the problem about the upper bass fishermen in their 200 hp plus boats==live on the red where i have a boat dock ,the locals slow down but off course the big boys have no respect--well the oxbow is closed off so when one of the jerks fly buy i let them get comfortable fishing then junp in my boat and wheeze around them in circles a couple of times go back and do this a couple of more times till they get the hint and leave--what goes around comes around--
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DOGS
PAPA-T I DON'T KNOW ABOUT A STATE WIDE VOTE, YA'LL PROBABLY WHEN, BUT AN AREA OR PARISH VOTE WE'D PROBABLY WIN, THOSE PEOPLE ON HIGH DRY LAND WITH MILES OF PIPELINES AND CONDO'S FOR STANDS WITH TV,S AND HEATERS WOULD VOTE TO STILL HUNT, BUT IN THE BASIN, SPILLWAY AND SWAMPS WHERE I HUNT DOGS WOULD WIN.
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IQ LEVEL?
Thanks hounddawg your helping us out every time you post something ignorant, and your to dumb to know it. We WIN. Thats WIN. One more time i know your slow. Its WIN. From up North La. huh?
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Hounddawg
You are in serious denial. Any way you slice it, the dogs would get voted out. ESPECIALLY IN THE BASIN!!!!!! That's where I hunt, and every landowner withing 50 miles can't stand the dogs running around 7 days a week and all night long during the hunting season. That area is where this whole thing got started because of the intense concentration of dog hunters per acre there. Wake up and tell the truth man. We're not all stupid.
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Cowboy
Hey cowboy, these guys are so predictable, it's like herding cattle. You know where their going to go even before they do.

Get ready, now that they've decide that they can't beat you with logic, they'll attack you because you're from Texas. "If you don't like it here, then leave", or "You can't come down here and tell us how to do things". The same old backwoods mentality that puts Louisiana on the bottom of every list there ever was.

Anyway, welcome to Louisiana. You might want to visit Texas every chance you get, just to keep your IQ from slipping. Louisiana has a tendancy to do that to people if their here long enough.
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Dog Hunting
Hounddawg, everytime you post, you definitely help out the cause of all hunters. Race is not an issue when it comes to hunting with or without dogs, so using any type of comparison to get your point across is ridiculous. Being a black man, I know there is know comparison. I would be just as upset if a black hunter or white hunter allowed there dogs to enter my private land. This shouldn't be made into a racial issue. Solutions to keep your dogs off of private land is the answer. I agree with neworleanslooter in every aspect, your posts give dog hunters a bad name and definitely have the same old ideas which keeps the state as a whole in the dark ages.....my opinion.....
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OK Papa
It wouldn't much matter which day you hunted with either one of us, because both days we'd ALL be hunting in the middle of the dogs.
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The vote
I wish the state would let the hunters and people of this state vote dgos in or out. This would put an end to all this. I think dog hunting is a dying breed ,it's just a matter of time. The timber companies are taking the first step ,it won't be long before landowners will do the same.

Hounddawg you say that dog hunting is a tradition, If this is so important to ya'll then you should try harder to stop the inconsiderate ways you hunt. It will cost you less money in the long run, replacing shot dogs has to be expensive.
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Put it to a vote. You must be crazy!!!!!
Who ever thinks putting the dog hunting issue in front of the voters is out of their mind!!!!! The non-hunting, pet loving people would come out of the closets and out vote the hunters 3to1. A vote is exactly what they want because they know they can win.
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Solution
Solution....

Solution 1: How about we ban dog hunting no more crap to worry about nothingless

Solution 2: How about we require all dog hunters who run dogs have the property enclosed by a fence
to which the dogs cannot cross onto another's property where dogs are very unwelcomed

Solution 3: Teach the dogs to read posted signs...if they cant learn.. .your problem not ours.

Solution 4: To the hell with banning dogs lets let them roam and us Still hunters should be allowed to press charges for each one of the dogs found...major fines included. Or lets get a bill started so that each dog that passes by is shot and prosecuted.

I do not want your dogs or take care of them till u come pick them up....instead of letting them die of starvation we should kill them the quick humane way
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MY 2CENTS
YOU ARE RIGHT RACE IS NOT AN ISSUE AND I SHOULD HAVE NOT BROUGHT IT UP, BECAUSE SKIN COLOR DOESN'T MATTER, I AM GLAD THAT YOU ARE A HUNTER REGARDLESS OF RACE, I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET A POINT ACROSS, BAD COMPARISON.

COWBOY AND PAPA-T THE OTHER POST MADE WAS A JOKE, I DID NOT THINK THAT YA'LL WOULD TAKE IT SERIOUS, AND BRING THE NEGATIVE COMMENTS THAT YA'LL MADE, SO I DELETED IT BEFORE OTHER PEOPLE TOOK IT SERIOUS ALSO.

DID ANYONE READ THE OUTDOOR SECTION IN SUNDAYS PAPER BY JOE, I THOUGHT THAT HE HAD A GOOD POINT.

DOES ANYONE OF YOU HAVE ANY PICTURES OF DEER THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO POST, I LIKE LOOKING AT THOSE KIND OF PICTURES.

NEWORLEANSLOOTER MOST OF THE PEOPLE I KNOW LIKE TO RUN DOGS IN THE BASIN, MAYBE ITS THE CROWD OF PEOPLE OR MOST OF THE LOCALS AROUND HERE LIKE, BUT I DO NOT KNOW WHAT EVERYONE ELSE THINKS I AM JUST SPEAKING FROM MY OWN OBSERVATIONS AND EXPERIENCES.

I AM TRYING TO BE POSITIVE, BUT IT IS HARD WITH ALL OF THE NEGATIVE FEED BACK. I SAY LETS QUIT ARGUING AND START GETTING READY TO HUNT, LET THE LAWMAKERS DEAL WITH ALL OF THIS NONSENSE AND SPEAK YOUR MIND WHERE IT COUNTS AT THE MEETINGS.
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TheNextBoone&Crockett
Boy, you sure talk a big show for someone that is only 18 yrs old....I'm sure with all your wisdom you must be 18 going on 60....and Looter...I don't know what part of the basin you hunt in but it sure isn't like your describing where we hunt....not all places are the same
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Chew Rouge
I may not be experienced as many people on this site... i mean ive only been hunting since i was 10 years old... But theres one thing for sure...I dont like watching dogs ruin my hunt. Kudos to the people who kill big deer over dogs...just as long as dogs dont ruin my hunt. I think either the dog hunters or the state needs to come up with a SOLUTION.. .before matters are taken into the still hunter's hand
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Chew Rouge
I didn't exactly expect you to say "You're right, when I turn my dogs loose, they run all over everyone else's property and they can't stand it".

The only one's I hear supporting dog hunting are dog hunters. To everyone else, they're a major headache and they wish they would just go away.

And by the way. It takes zero experience or wisdom about deer hunting for a person (regardless of age) to come to the conclusion that he doesn't want his property ravaged by deer dogs and/or trespassers. You still don't get it.
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Here's a solution
Buy or joing a club with a high fence that way the dogs can't get in. Move to another club where dog hunting is not allowed. I just joined a club that has many clubs adjoining them. All clubs are non-dog hunting clubs totaling around 10,000 acres. Point is there are other places to hunt. Go find something different.

Papa-T I would be glad to invite you to a dog hunt if we hunted with dogs. Maybe one of the dog hunting club members can invite both of us for a hunt. It's been along time since I have hunted with dogs!!!!!
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36
I'm not invading anyone's property. Why should I have to find another place to hunt? Is that the golden solution for this problem? Fine, then buy my property. I'll even fence it for you. But why would anyone buy it when they can just hunt it whenever they want and get away with it?
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buy?
I do have property where no dog hunters are around but i also have property where there are dog hunters....just not every day can i drive 3 hours to go hunting when i want to make a quick hunt only 40 minutes from home....why dont U buy a FENCE...heck its a one time buy unlike a lease memembership which reoccurs every year... or teach ur dogs to read... that could be free on your part....or lets ban dog hunting.. saving you lots of dollars for paying for your "doggy Funerals" and food and puppies and such
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yep
that's the simple solution. Ban em.
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Survey
I think there should be a survey that must be handed in at the point of sale of a big game hunting license. To me, that would be the most accurate way to collect public opinion on the deer dog issue.

Not everyone can attend meetings. And not everyone will take the time to fill out the comment form on the LDWF website. But everyone will fill out the survey if they want to purchase a big game license. And it would be more representative of what "deer hunters" want being that they would be the only ones filling out the survey.
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Survey
Neworleanslooter, a survey at the time of license purchasing sounds like a real good idea. There is no doubt that everyone that hunts deer will have to buy a big game license and taking 5 or 10 minutes to fill out a survey would work rather well. Not everyone has access to a computer to respond to the survey online. I saw your post concerning PETA. I posted on that subject several months ago and believe me, they are behind the scenes working very hard to do away with hunting completely. I saw where PETA/Sierra Club were working together and against the so called Canned Hunts, on fenced ranches in Texas.
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SURVEY
Looter, only problem I see with the survey is that lifetime license holders won't be heard.
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Looter
Another problem I've seen in the basin is who really owns what????.....I know for a fact that there is land that is being leased to hunting clubs that the State is claiming also....When the Club asked the so-called landowner about this they said they didn't have to pay for that piece this year???? So,who's land is it?....They need to clear all this landownership stuff up to be able to see exactly who really owns what....Really some dogs may not be going on private land after all....in the basin I'm talking about.
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Boone
Hey Boone you talk a lot of crap behind a keyboard. Keep throwing thoughs treats around, its easy when no one knows who you are. I hunt both ways and love both of them, one thing I know for sure is if you are caught killing an innocent hound, if the owner don't beat your azz and throw you in a ditch somewhere the animal rights activists could sure have a field day with you. Although we were all young once and thought we could beat the world. LOL
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Chew Rouge
There is alot of that kind of stuff going on in the basin these days.Some people claim to have land leased everywhere but they dont record the leases and have no proof of anykind.They even forget to properly mark their lines are even put any posted signs!How can anyone know that they are on someones land if it isnt posted.
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Selfishness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Baning dog hunting is not the answer.
AS both a stillhunter(50)%&doghunter(50)% I see both sides of the picture.AS a doghunter my hunt is over when the dogs leave the area we are hunting.As a stillhunter my hunts over when that idiot either goes to his stand to late are leaves to early(morning or afternoon).IDIOT!!! Being someone in the club with me are ajionting club,99% of the time traveling on ATV............SO LETS BAN ATV's.....now am being selfish....Someone on an ATV has screwed up more hunts for me than any one running dogs.....80%ATV to20%dogs.
Lets try this ajointing hunting clubs both stillhunters&doghunters meeting with each other and solving there problems among each other (civilized).Leave the state out of it,We all grow men here.Stop being selfish....LOOKING AT ONE PICTURE..........LETS LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE.
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wild
if i remember right....killing wild dogs or nuisance animals including quadrapelics is legal...oops your dog seemed pretty wild...they were tearing up my live stock... the chickens are gone....ahhh.....petas after you anyway for running those dogs endless day and night to kill all those deer and then some of those dogs end up lost and get killed in it all...
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by the way
i dont care if dog hunting continues....i mean its really great if it does because thats part of the louisiana tradition.... just find a solution thats all to where it doesnt affect me and other avid still hunters around the state
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Who's land.
Micah M,
A couple/three years ago, the trespass laws changed,and posted signs are not required,unless you are on DMAP. Most State lands are marked in some fashion,but the theory for the newer trespass law is simply that if YOU don't own it,it must belong to SOMEONE else...if you want to go onto someone else's property,written permission from the owner is required. Ownership can be determined at the Parish Courthouse,if you have the property description. Most other states had this law for a long time.
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Sledge
We are aware of the law that is place but it is very hard to inforce in the basin if the lines arent marked.This is a problem with the system. As for the people claiming they lease land that hasnt been leased for years and they arent recorded at the courthouse in the parish and the land owners dont even know the person....its B.S.This man is claiming he has everything that isnt posted in the area leased but cant provide any proof.The only land he has proof on is posted.Why is that?Sounds to me like he is full of bull.
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Courthouse
Try going to the courthouse in ST.Martin are Iberia parish.You will come out ther with a headache and more confused than when you went in,did this for three days straight with a friend. Some of the property is claimed to be own by 5to6 differant parties,they don't even know each other.Now we are tlking about the basin.Then you throw in the state land wether it be waterbottom,claimed fully by the state,or owned by the state and claimed by a private owner.
Then add in people taking down state land signs adding there posted signs,they know who they are and some post on here.Now we are tlking about the basin,not outside the leeves.So if you are planning a trip to the courthouse,pack a lunch,take a vacation you will be there awhile,OH YEA bring prozac you;ll need it.
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Micah M
Do you have any of this land that you are talking about leased? No? Then what difference does it make if someone claims to have it leased, yet can't show proof of it? He doesn't have to prove anything to anyone. If you don't have it leased, and it isn't public, then you don't belong. Thats the biggest problem on the basin. A bunch of freeloaders that think everything out there is public land just because there is no posted signs. If you don't know where you are when you're hunting, then you shouldn't be there. I think I would smack the crap out of somebody if they told me I had to prove to them that the land we are on is mine. Like I carry copies of the bill of sale or deeds. always looking to mooch off of someone elses hard work, huh?
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Pot calling the kettle black
You know, it's easy to sit behind a computer, where nobody knows who you are and pretend to be someone you are not. I've done a little investigating.

Mr. Meche, you talk about all these outlaws like you have an immaculate reputation. Perhaps you'd like to explain to us why you and your father were booted out of that hunting club a few years ago?

By the way, who is it that you say is falsely claiming all the property? If it is who I think you are talking about, I understand that he spent a heck of alot of money to have Fenstermaker and Associates survey those leases and make maps. He fought it in court, and I think he won. How much more proof do you need? I don't know about you, but I would tend to believe a engineering firm and a court decision before I'd believe Joe Blow's, uncle's, sister's, best friend who knows a guy who said you can hunt there.
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Driftwood
Would that be considered a "public land smackdown", or a "private land smackdown"? That's just it. They tear down the posted signs you put up so they have that excuse. That's why the trespassing law was changed. The fact is, in the past it has been too easy for trespassers to get away with it. And naturally, when you crack down on them, they get all up in arms.

It's the same thing as if criminals formed a union and protested in the streets, demanding fewer cops on patrol. Of course they wouldn't want more cops, it makes breaking the law harder.

Just look at what's going on right now with the illegal immigrants protesting. To me, a couple thousand illegal protesters gathered in the street makes it easy for Immigration to load them up onto buses and deport them. Just me.......
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Driftwood
So you go to the State Land office & pay $50 for a State Land Map....Study the map & find a area that the state is claiming hundreds of acres.....Get out of your boat & gather your stuff to get ready to make a hunt when some guy drives up in his boat & tells you your trespassing but you KNOW where your at & the map says it is State Land but the guy says he has some maps too & his are right & the State map is WRONG....Are you gonna pack up & leave or maybe do like some & smackback.....This goes on alot in the basin....Looter you right...you don't need posted signs anymore but the State does put up State Land signs but more times than not they seem to vanish....If a guy can buffalo 20 people a season that's 20 less he has to worry about....If they all just leave that is.....Claybuster boy your right too about the St.Martin Parish records....I've seen land that is being claimed by 6 different people & the state too...Now St.Martin Parish ain't compaining....they pulling taxes from all....1 more thing Looter... you just may hunt close to us because you sure described a guy that is the one stirring the pot from our area...
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THIS IS MY ORIGINAL POST. HOW DID HE ANSWER MY QUESTION?
If you hunt that area, you'll probably know. But the fact is, even if the state maps are 100% correct in that area, there's still not enough acres of state land to keep dogs off of neighboring property.

Can you tell me where the largest chunk of state land is in that area and give me the acreage of it?
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Looter
My name is Micah Meche.I dont hide behind a screen name,some of us do,not me!The reason my father and I got thrown off that lease is still not clear to me as of this day.Yes,I did get caught 10 years ago with 1 woodduck over the limit by species, not by number. 90% of the hunters on this site have violated some law one way or the other once in their life. Like I said before,I dont hide behind screen name,what are you doing?If you have a problem with the way I hunt then you need to speek to me personally,not over the net.Its obvious that you know me so please come and share your thoughts with me anytime!Im sure if Im at 1 of the camps I'll have a cold beer and a hot meal waiting!If not,shut up and dont bring up the past that you know nothing about and dont have all the facts!Hear say is what it is, hear say!
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Looter
Sorry...I just re-read your post....can't be the same area....Fenstermaker never left any survey markers around there.....& I never said anything about turning dogs loose in that area.....just going hunting.
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Red Azz
There are mistakes on the maps that are issued from the state land office. They have openly admitted it, and should notify you when you purchase the map. They are also in the process of correcting these mistakes. You shouldn't rely on these maps alone. Do some research, talk to nieghboring land owners BEFORE you go. Most of the mistakes are simple. For instance, the land will be mapped on the east side of a canal, when it is actually on the west, and so on.... These are the little 30 or 40 acre plots that lots of these dog hunters search for. This is why it has become such a problem, and dog hunters get the bad reputation. Some of them actually remove the state land signs, and place them where they want to turn loose the dogs. The same way they find other peoples dogs, remove the collars, and turn them loose wherever they want. This way nobody gets in trouble if the dog is caught where it shouldn't be. Its the same people that claim everything below the high water mark is public, and none of my nieghbors care if our dogs run on thier property, and this is state land according to the map, and I can do whatever I want because you can't prove that you own this property right here and now. unfortunately, the people that try to hunt this land properly, get the bad reputation of the many before them that have screwed it all up by being such inconsiderate crap heads.
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Looter
I know the man your talking about and he has done his home work and set the record straight.I have never gone on his land nor do I plan on it.
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BUSTING CLAYS
HELL-O MR. BUSTING CLAYS I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU ARE BUT WHERE YOU HUNT, BUT YOU SURE HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. YOU MUST BE ONE SMART FELLA. I AGREE WITH YOU 100% SO FAR.
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Went on a walk about.
Newsorleanslooter
From the Northern border of attakapas all the way to Larompe I can stay on stateland expect for less than a 1/4 of a section north of redeye swamp,and less than 1/4 of section north of crook chene,and south of sec.16 which to my knowledge is school board(public access) which cross the 42' pipeline.Asuming that the stateland map is right.I would have to a hell of lot swimming to do this.Oh would even have to cross land I have leased.Ac. you want HELL!!! I just walk and swam over 15 miles.Remeber I said I had land leased so guess what I only trepassed one time in 15 miles for maybe 1/2 mile.Thats with a map that is so say 100% correct.14 1/2 miles of land you don't have to be a rocket sceincetist to come the conclusion thats a hella lot of land.Oh that 1/2 mile I might have trepassed on is in the middle of the swamp and stays under water most of the time on expect for maybe last year when the swamp was dry.So you break out maps and tell me am wrong.HELL that WALK ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!! was only 5 mins.
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HOUNDDAWG
HELLO HOUNDDAWG Was on my walk about.Had to drink a beer after that.I hunt north and south of crook chene in the basin right in the heart of most the bull........been there over 35yrs going to HELL IN A HAND BASKET(the basin).Thank you. LET THAT SWEET SOUND OF MUSIC RING.
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???
That's not my area. Way up river from there. But looking at the map, I see where you're talking about, and you could probably walk 15 miles (if you held tight to the river), but I don't see where someone could turn loose dogs and have them stay on those narrow strips of intermittent state land. There is a pretty big chunk bordering the Attakapas, and even with that big piece, every time I've ever hunted Attakapas, there were dogs all over it. Hell, a friend of mine told me there were dogs there 2 months after the season.
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Grasping At Straws
Looter,

Every time you ask a question and it gets answered but isn't the answer you want to hear you resort back to "you can control your dogs and keep them off neighboring property" speech. Give it a break, you want to still hunt then you have ample time to do so before the dog season opens. Are you can do like me and join a lease bordering others that don't allow dogs for many miles. But by all means stop the cry baby BS.

ClayBuster, I think I know who you are, give me a call and we'll do lunch. Sense we work next door to each other.
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ENOUGH
Delete this positing please. The main subject is no longer being discussed. I am glad the hound feeders showed up in force. I am glad to see people standing up for themselves.
The points are made. Lets move on
Southnboy
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????
This thread is about the dog issue. You know what you're getting into when you click here.

And nobody has answered my question yet. What the hell are you talking about?
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HERE IT IS...............
Looter,Looking at the stateland map there is 5 to 6 places where ther is 6 to 10 section ajoining.You do the math,section=640ac.Hell I have alittle over 2500ac. leased you add the five are so sec. of stateland that border or split my lease thats over 5700ac.to run dogs on HOW MUCH TO YOU STILL HUNTERS WANT?
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How ever much it takes to be left alone. Apparently it's not enough to keep them from bleeding onto the Attakapas much less up river where I hunt. Look at the little pieces of state land up there and tell me if you think someone could contain their dogs on those pieces.
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Looter
You still havent told me your name so mayhe you can tell me the name of the dog hunting club that has put shuch a bad taste in your mouth.I know it isnt the club I hunt with are mine because we dont hunt next to you.I sure would like to know.If you are who I think you are,please stop by my camp on the Island Friday evening and talk to me and have a cold one,I would like that very much.Im not a outlaw like you may think and dont like outlaws ruining the sport I love...HUNTING!
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You know as well as I do that camps have recently been burned to the ground over this dog hunting issue. I have too much to loose by putting my name in it, and it would be too easy for a match to find it's way to my camp. But I refuse to let the ones who act like deer hunting terrorists go unopposed on their rampage of private property. Someone will burn down the wrong camp, and the next thing you know, they'll all end up burning one at a time as one guy tries to get even with the next guy who he thinks burned it down. How far will it go?

There are only two options that I can see that will end this........

1. dog hunters need to tighten up on the ones that are giving them the bad name.

or 2. the state will ban the dogs.

This is not a new issue. It has been going on for decades in that area. I can tell by some of the responses that some of you that don't hunt around there are completely in the dark about how extreme the problem is in that area. It has come down to bullets flying over people's heads, threats, vandalism, burned camps, setting woods on fire, fist fights, law suits, etc.
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Posts
Well said Papa T, everyone can see that neworleanslooter has reached the point of saturation when it comes to dogs/hunters trespassing on his property and any man that owns property would feel the same. I wish him luck and yep there are wheels that visit this site often and I am sure they are taking notes for all of the disagreements between still and dog hunters. Hunters in general will have to ban together somewhere down the line, if not, this sport will be lost.
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Camp that burned
New Orleans shooter,one of those camps that burned was for a guy that has step on the toes of many,dog hunters,stillhunters crawfisherman,sportsfisherman,and even land owners,so don't try blaming camp burning just on the dog hunters.Hell lighting might have struck that camp who knows.
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burned camps
Everytime I have dogs on my property, I consider that an insult. Someone is stepping on my toes. Do I take a match to anyones camp? No,......not as of yet. Disgruntle dog hunters burn camps. Lightning does not. Even if the guy did step on some toes, how can you justify the burning of a club's camp. Sounds like you are happy this guys camp burned, maybe happy enough to strike the match yourself? The type of people that burn these camps will get caught. They are too stupid to keep thier mouths shut. Sooner or later, they will brag about it to the wrong person, and word will get out. I feel sorry for them already.
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Driftwood
In no means am I justify burning anyones camp,that's the act of a COWARD.I do know one thing I had nothing to do with it and its in my best interest not to know who did.all it did was make tenision even higher.
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Driftwood
Seems you have tunnel vision....Only dog hunters burn camps????....What kind of comment is that?....Do you think maybe it could be possible that a still hunter that had a run in with whoevers camp bunt could have done it? or maybe a crawfisherman that was told by the camp owner that he was fishing on private property may have burnt it? In your eyes I guess these are ruled out.....You probably think the guys that were burning all the churchs hunt with dogs too...I take offense to your comment....
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burning churches
If your talking about the two kids in Mississippi, I do believe they were dog hunters, not that there is a connection, just a coincidence. I don't care if your offended by that comment, I am offended by dogs ruining my hunts. Obviously that doesn't change your opinion about dog hunting, so why should I change mine? because it offends you? Try again....

The last still hunter that was caught on our lease, wondered on by mistake. He was equiped with a map and a GPS. He was looking for a bend in a canal, that was a natural landmark and property line. He was curteous, and we helped him find his location and explained where the lines were. He and I went on hunting with NO Problems. Dog hunters are a different story. Every one of them that have been caught on our property start trouble. I'm told dog hunters have to be held underwater, struggling for air before they heed the word of the landowners.
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Claiborne Parish
PAPPA-T.....I am sorry, but with all due respect, I have to disagree with you. I also hunt much of Claiborne Parish. I have land outside of Haynesville and two blocks just outside of Homer. We have plenty of trouble with dog hunters running their dogs on my land! I am not saying it is you doing it, but it is happening. My land owner will not lease to anyone that runs dogs. We are seeing more and more of it. I have stated in post before that I get so fed up with it that I basically abandon those blocks come opening day of the dog season. I am tired of all the excuses! I don't understand why some people think that they have the right to trespass. Whether it is you or your dogs, it is still the same thing! These guys are just plain disrespectful!! They care nothing about other peoples right to hunt in peace. Those of us that do not dog hunt do absolutely nothing to interfere with your right to hunt on your land. We don't bother you, distract you, run game off of your land, or do anything whatsoever to mess with you. You can't say the same. No matter what you say or believe, when your dogs cross that property line, your wrong!!! Plain and simple! I have made up my mind that this coming season I will not abandon my property. I will make it hell for anyone that tresspasses on my property. I will take their dogs to the pound. I will file criminal tresspassing charges against them. I will stand up for what is mine from now on. It's time for my rights to be respected too!! We'll be fine as long as you stay on your land and I stay on mine. I'll help you look for a deer if you ask. I'll help you plant, feed, or put up stands with you. But, you will no longer tresspass on my land without paying the price. Got it? If this doesn't pertain to you, then what I have said shouldn't bother you. If it does bother you, you must be one of those dog hunters!
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Bigjohn
mr. bigjohn there is a website (ncdeerman.com)which may interest yu--IP in n.c. has banned doghunting on their leases from a land owner who sued them because of dogs on there leases running on his property--it has gone to the state supreme court and the private landowner WON --it was ruled that the dogs were a nusiance--with this ruling now other landowners can use it in other law suits--if i owned property i promise i would look into this--in fact us still hunters may put up a slush fund for a landowner to be the first one to sue ---i would gladly contribute to it--
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shooter
good idea i would contribute also bigjohn--you may have something going here--posibly could sue the ldwf--
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ROM
roy o martin is stopping dog hunting on their lease lands as well as weyhauser co.--you still hunters ought to see some of the lease properties to be up for leasing this yr. and the next--and YES this was brought on by the dog hunting--
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Now that sounds good
I would be willing to match dollar for dollar in contributions, the amount that I pay in leases and taxes annually. That's what it's worth to me to take my property back. Put your money where your mouth is dog hunters.
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Thanks shooter
Thanks for the information shooter. No matter what LDWF does on this issue, it doesn't change the laws on tresspassing. All I am saying is we don't have to put up with it anymore. It is up to each of us to do our part!! Make em pay! Don't wait for someone else to do it for you. It takes all of us! The dogs can run! Just not on my land!
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BAD NEWS
looks like the dog trespassers have won --the comm. rescinded the measure except for kat. below hwy eight-looks like it will have to be done in the courts and like i said lets put up a fund of money for the first lawsuit in the state whomever it would be ---
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dogs
i grew up not hunting deer at all, we did not have many in the 1950's and the 1960's. i started deer hunting at whiteline hunting club in warren county mississppi. we used dogs and horses, and many times we had more riders than we had standers, we had a great time, and i mean a great time. i became the huntmaster in 1977, i took care of the dogs, beagles, walkers and black and tans. all of the camps around us ran dogs and in the afternoon dogs would wander in back to the camp and we would put them in the pens, we did not care if they were our dogs or anyone else's. we just put them in the pens and fed them. then we would turn them out the next morning. the young kids would prefer to ride, rather than taking a stand, they wanted excitement and they got it!!! also i would explain to the kids the sign, scrapes, rubs, feces as to whether or not it was buck or doe. we averaged 100 deer per year. at one time i owned over 40 beagles and 30 walkers, but today this is too expensive. a dog hunter will spend over $100 per dog per year, and this is one thing that has limited the number of dog hunters out there. then things changed the other camps quit using dogs due to the expense, so dog hunting went the way of the dinosaur. it is much cheaper to still hunt, than it is to dog hunt. so who was the loser?? the young kids who could not stand still in a stand.

we must remember one thing, we are all hunters, and we must stand together or folks like peta will eat us alive!!! i did not deer hunt one day this year!!! why you may ask??? katrina, and severe depression associated with katrina. i lost every thing that i had in buras. i fish much more than i hunt. i have killed over 400 deer in my lifetime and i am not mad at them anymore. i need to take some does off of my family place, but frankly i just don't want to mess with them. i would rather catch 25 trout and a couple of reds than go hunting. these forums are a great place to cuss and discuss various practices. but we need to stick together otherwise we may lose our god given right to be what we are and that is predators. we hunt and fish because it is in our blood, we are not bystanders who go just to look at our game animals, we are part of the food chain. and we need to stay that way, otherwise who will suffer??? the game will suffer, for we are the only means to manage our great resources. we did not inherit these great resources from our parents, we are merly borrowing them from our children!!!!! let us all try to get along!!! ed mcintyre
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bowhunting
yeah lets start bowhunting with dogs--
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dog hunting
Originally, the Commission didn't want to do anything until next year anyway from what I can gather....the measure this year was a rush, rush deal....no one really expected it to pass this year......but, unfortunately, what they did was ensure that there will be lots more "vigilanites" out there in the woods this year enforcing their right to hunt peacefully. I hate to say it, but I think thee will be lots of confrontations this year in the woods....

But, you can bet that the next proposal will have measures for private land use as well....can you say Georgia? Read up on the laws there, and you will see why I say that dog hunters need to make every effort to be sure they are polite and respectful to their neighbors.....their neighbors are the ones who "allow" them to dog hunt....
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ALLOW
CHAD, EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT YOU MEAN BY ALLOW? I KNOW THAT YOU HELP US OUT, BUT ALLOW YOU NEED TO US TO DOG HUNT, YOU NEED TO GET REAL. I THINK OUR CLUBS HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP BUT SOME OF THE COMMENTS YOU MAKE ARE WAY OFF.

YOUR BUDDY AND NEIGHBOR,
JO-PETE
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Houndawg
I think what he's saying is that there are more still hunters than dog hunters. If it ever came to a vote, the only way dog hunting would continue is if the still hunters stood up for the dog hunters.

I agree, hunters must stay united. However, I have heard numerous still hunters say they would stand up for the dog hunters if they would put forth the effort to keep the dogs on their lands. However, they only thing we keep hearing is that the dogs go on other people's lands and there's nothing they can do about it. The still hunters are willing to work with the dog hunters, it just appears that the dog hunters don't want to change anything. They are content with their dogs going wherever they want to go and turning loose dozens of dogs on state lands ruining everyone else's hunt. I believe the still hunters and a small percentage of dog hunters are doing their part to stay united, but until most dog hunters do their part, this subject will never die.

So to all the dog hunters, 99% of the still hunters would support you if you can come up with a solution to the problem instead of excuses, that is what this all boils down to.
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Remember What I Said
Respect is what it boils down too. Respect other peoples rights and choices and by all means respect there property and property lines and we all can get along just fine and continue doing what we all love deer hunting.
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Jo-pete
I wasn't saying that we allow you to hunt....I was saying that in GA, the regulations are very similar to what I am sure you will see coming down the pipe in LA before long....dogs have to be tagged and permitted, and if those dogs cross onto adjacent property, there is a fine.....if reported.......the second time, the club whos dogs were tagged that violated can no longer obtain a permit to dog hunt.....if reported......In other words, if adjacent clubs in GA are "understanding" of their dog hunting neighbors, then they don't report them, and the dog club is "allowed" to continue on. But, if the neighboring club who dog hunts does so recklessly, and doesn't care if the dogs wonder onto adjacent properties, then the first two days of dog season, two reports are made, and the permit pulled, and the dog club not allowed to dog hunt anymore.......the still hunting clubs in GA really do determine if the adjacent dog clubs dog hunt....at least they determine for the ones who don't care if their dogs go onto adjacent property.

I didn't mean we are allowing you to dog hunt, but that in GA that is how it is in a nutshell....just a little confusion there in what I was referring to......

Good relationships are hard to come by, especially when neighboring clubs hunt totally different ways....but mutual respect of each other is the only way to make sure everyone is happy for years to come....I have definitely seen that building some in the past few years.....
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THANKS
CHAD THANKS FOR CLEARING THAT UP. AS FOR YOU HENRY I ASKED FOR CHADS OPINION NOT YOURS. I KNOW CHAD AND LIKE TO SWAP OPINIONS AND IDEAS WITH HIM, AS FOR AS RESPECT EVERY ONE IS TALKING ABOUT IT IS DISRESPECTFUL TO BUD IN OTHER PEOPLES CONVERSATIONS, BESIDES HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT CHAD IS THINKING ARE YOU A KNOW IT ALL HENRY?
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Dog Hunting
Thanks for explaining that to everyone Chad, I use to live in GA when all of that was occurring and really it was up to dog hunters to control their dogs and go thru the process of tagging them and getting a permit to run them. Two violations during the year would revoke the dog hunting permit and it sounds like most of the guys that post on here have more than two incidents with dogs in a week...that's GA, LA will decide something soon....
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Vigilanty??
Chad..... just because a person enforces the law on his own property doesn't make that person a vigilanty! I resemble that comment! LOL! I just don't like that word. I am not for doing anything outside the law on this issue. I do respect their right to run their dogs, but I also have the right not to have those dogs on my prperty. I will make it very difficult this year for any person or any dog caught on my property. But, I will stay within the law. I know not all you dog hunters are guilty, but I do believe that the majority of dog hunters do have dogs that cross onto others property. You have to admit that if you caught a person on your property time after time, year after year, sooner or later you would get fed up and call the authorities? I say we can fight back by making those that are guilty pay the price, that's all.
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Houndawg
No I don't know it all, I never said I did. How do I know what Chad is thinking? Because I've read all the comments on this webpage and I thought it was clear, what he meant about still hunters, allowing dog hunters to do what they want.

He explained himself differently but the point is the same. In order to keep the sport of dog hunting alive you need the cooperation of still hunters as well. Why did you get your panties in a wad over my comment. I've told you I'm on your side, I don't want to see dog hunting banned, I'd rather see a solution to the problems mentioned.

It doesn't take a know it all to read someone's comment and understand their point of view.

This is a public message board, if you want a private conversation give him a phone call. If you were speaking outloud to him, I would never interrupt. But I better stop typing now because someone else might be typing something to you and it would be rude for me to be talking to you at the same time!

I don't hunt with dogs, so I'm not the one that needs support on this issue. If you want more support so you don't have to give up your way of hunting, lose the bitterness and help come up with solutions rather than excuses.
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Well said!
Well said Henry Wiggins! Well said!
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goodpoint
GOODPOINT HENRY, I THINK THAT ALL HUNTERS SHOULD STICK TOGETHER, IN THE END STILL HUNTER WILL NEED DOG HUNTERS, AND DOG HUNTERS WILL NEED STILL HUNTERS. MAYBE I SHOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN P.O.'D, BUT I WANTED CHAD'S OPINION BECAUSE I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT HE WAS THINKING ON THE MATTER, THAT'S ALL, BUT CHIME IN ANY TIME YOU LIKE, I SHOULD HAVE NOT BLASTED YOU THE WAY I DID, THAT'S WHAT THIS FORUM IS FOR. I JUST TIRED OF A FEW MAKING IT BAD FOR THE MANY.
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Good Neighbors are of value, Bad Neighbors face troubles
BIGJOHN

I am also totally against outlawing dog hunting. I have had a number of good and bad encounters with dog hunters. Just so you will know, the follow is some of Louisiana RS codes used to govern and enforce bad activity or neighbors who will not comply with reason.

RS 3:2771
2771. Dogs not to run at large
No person shall suffer or permit any dog in his possession, or kept by him about his premises, to run at large on any unenclosed land, or trespass upon any enclosed or unenclosed lands of another.
RS 3:2773
2773. Dogs as personal property; seizure of dogs running at large or on property fenced as a fox pen; notice to owner; dangerous or vicious dogs
A. Dogs owned by citizens of this state and by citizens of other states and situated and located in this state are declared to be personal property of such citizens.
B. Any citizen may, or the sheriff, constable, or other police officers of any parish, ward, or municipality shall seize any dog found unaccompanied by its owner or keeper and running at large on any road, street, or other public place, or trespassing on any premises other than the premises of the owner. If the dog is wearing a collar bearing a tag showing the name and address of its owner, it shall be impounded and the citizen or officer so seizing and impounding the dog shall immediately thereafter by written notice notify the owner of the dog, at the address disclosed by the tag on the dog's collar, that the dog has been seized and impounded by him, and unless the owner or keeper of the dog shall, within seven days from the receipt of the notice, claim the dog and pay the citizen or officer a fee of one dollar for seizing and a fee of twenty-five cents for each day it is impounded, it shall be disposed of in a humane manner.
D. Any citizen or officer may kill any dangerous or vicious dog, and no citizen or officer shall be liable for damages or to prosecution by reason of killing any dangerous or vicious dog.
Amended by Acts 1950, No. 231, §1; Acts 1992, No. 1131, §1.
RS 3:2775
2775. Use of dogs for hunting
Nothing in this Part shall prevent any citizen of this state from lawfully hunting with a dog, provided the dog is accompanied by the owner or keeper.

Good neighbors can be an asset and it works both ways.

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Accompanied
JT--Define the word "accompanied" used in RS 3:2775.There must be a distance factor and time factor between hunter and dog.Miles, yards, feet????????? Minutes, hours, days, weeks, months,years ?????????
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Where are they?
PAPPA-T....I would assume to "accompany" something, you would have to know where it is.
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WRONG HOUNDDAWG
HOUNDDAWG I THINK YOUR WRONG WITH THE COMMENT ABOUT STILL HUNTERS NEEDING DOG HUNTERS. I KNOW YOUR GOING TO COME BACK WITH SOMETHING ABOUT PETA TAKING ALL OF OUR HUNTING AWAY, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BUT WE ARE A LONG WAY FROM THAT HAPPENING IF EVER! THIS IS MAKES ABOUT THE 150TH POST ON THIS SUBJECT AND I STILL HAVEN'T SEEN ANY ANSWERS ABOUT HOW THESE DOG HUNTERS WILL KEEP THEIR DOGS OF OF PRIVATE PROPERTY! ANY SUGGESTIONS?
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Accompanied
BigJohn Accompany ---means ---To go with as a companion, To coexist or occur with. Coexist means-To exist together in the same place or time.So I must agree with you, when dog hunters turn loose dogs the word accompanied is no longer in the laws of the state of Louisiana.And when the hunter, unsnap his dog to run, they loose that togetherness.And we know they are neither in the same place and sometimes not in the same time.Before anyone jumps my time. I didn't bring up the law on dogs, someone else did.
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Revised Statutes (RS Codes)
First - ANY LAW IS ONLY A GOOD AS IT'S ENFORCEMENT.
Second - I am not a lawyer (thank God) or judge but have sat on several juries over the past and had to make decissons based on facts and logic, NOT FEELINGS OR EMOTIONS.
RS coded vary by title, and some interesting ones are Title 3 which is Agriculture and Foresty, Title 41 (Public Lands) and of course Title 56 is LA Dept of Wildlife and Fisheries. As for the previous post, it clearly states in my simple mind that dogs are a persons private property. It also states that they can not freely roam and cause issues. I feel if you catch a dog on your private property, it is trespassing and can be turned over to the local law as it is not accompanied by anyone. If it is accompanied by anyone, then they are both trespassing and they can EXPLAIN IT ALL IN CITY HALL. This is nothing new and most of the time these issues can be worked out with the dog owners and clubs however you don't have to step out of the box, just use the legal processes. Since this post was based dog hunting and state lands mostly, I will show you another RS that we know don't happen (still and dog hunters) and is not enforced.

RS 41:15
§15. Hunting on state land; restrictions; exceptions
A. No person shall claim as his for any purpose any particular area or location on state land. No person shall construct a permanent deer stand on state land. Deer stands shall be removed no later than two hours after sunset each day. Any permanent deer stand present on state land shall not confer on any person a right to exclude any other person.
B. Violation of the provisions of this Section shall be punishable as follows:
(1) For the first offense, the fine shall be not less than one hundred dollars nor more than three hundred fifty dollars or imprisonment for not more than sixty days, or both.
(2) For the second offense, the fine shall be not less than three hundred dollars nor more than five hundred fifty dollars and imprisonment for not less than thirty days nor more than sixty days.
(3) For the third offense and all subsequent offenses, the fine shall be not less than five hundred dollars nor more than seven hundred fifty dollars and imprisonment for not less than sixty days nor more than ninety days and forfeiture of anything seized in connection with the violation.
C. The provisions of this Section shall not apply to land under the jurisdiction of the Louisiana Wildlife and Fisheries Commission. The use of such land shall be regulated by the Louisiana Wildlife and Fisheries Commission in accordance with the provisions of Title 56 of the Louisiana Revised Statutes of 1950.
Acts 2005, No. 259, §1.

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More rope!
Well PAPPA....I was giving a little more rope then that. I would be ok if they just know where their at! LOL!
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RIGHT
I THINK ALL HUNTERS NEED ONE ANOTHER, FOR AS PETA, I DID NOT BRING UP PETA, ALL I SAID IS THAT WHEN YOU GIVE LAW MAKERS, AND OTHER PARTIES AN INCH THEY TAKE A MILE, DOGS TODAY, WHAT TOMORROW. THE BIG TIME STILL HUNTERS WANT IT BOTH WAYS, IF THE DOGS BRING THEM GAME DOGS ARE WONDERFUL, BUT IF A DOG IS LOOKING FOR GAME AND DID NOT BRING THE STILL HUNTER A PRIZE, HE GET'S PO'D. SO QUIT YOUR CRYING BECAUSE I AM GOING TO RUN MY DOGS AS LONG AS THE LAW ALLOWS. I RESPECT MY NEIGHBORS AND CATCH MY DOGS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE WHEN AND IF THEY CROSS THE LINE. IF YOU CAN'T RUN WITH THE DEER DOGS STAY ON THE PORCH.
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IDIOT
HOUNDDAWG i've pretty much stayed back and laughed about most of the posts on here because i have a small place in texas i hunt and don't have to worry about dogs. Yes i know, i hunt in texas so i must not be much of a hunter and i must hunt behind a 1 acre high fence, and still have to bait the deer and have someone lead it out on a leash for me to hit it. So thats another argument for another time. But i live in lafayette and have been asked to join a lease in the basin for $300. i jumped on the oppurtunity. Well the other day we had our first meeting, and 17 other members there talked at length about the problems we will encounter AGAIN this year with dog hunters. I have yet to read a post from a still hunter on this forum thanking you guys for your dogs running loose on their land or running deer towards them. You still go on about your going to do this and your going to do that. Well in that meeting they decided(not me as my membership doesn't begin until June 1) that this year they will be shooting every dog they see on their property. When asked if i would have a problem with that, i said not one bit. Just like you think its fun running dogs all over, i think it would be fun to try to shoot one of those loud little f*ck*rs on the run. What gets me is after 300 posts on the subject, you still don't get it. You just said you try to collect your dogs as soon as possible when they go on other peoples land. Thats the point they don't want you or your dogs on their land. I see quite a few people saying they would support you and your dog hunting, they just want YOU TO CONTROL YOUR DOGS, NOT YOUR DOGS CONTROL YOU!
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Cowboy
We've pretty much decided the same thing. Look at what the RS say. Every deer dog I've ever come accross while hunting has been barking like a maniac and running towards me. This intimidates me and makes me fear for my life and the life of my kids. I believe the RS says, that no citizen or officer shall be held liable for killing a dangerous or vicious dog. I believe I've just been given the OK to blast'em. Dog season just took on a whole new meaning for me.
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COWBOYS AND LOOTERS
COWBOYS AND LOOTERS I DON'THINK THAT I HUNT AROUND YOU A**HOLES, SO I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT YOU SHOOTING MY DOGS, THIS MESSAGE IS NOT FOR ALL STILL HUNTERS, BUT JUST FOR YOU AND STILL HUNTERS WITH YOUR MENTALITY OR STUPIDITY, AND HERE IT IS: SAVE A DEER HOUND SHOOT A STILL HUNTER.
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which ones taste better?
Hey looter never shot me a deer dog before. is there a scoring system for them? which ones taste better, solid colors or the mixed? taking the wife to eat sushi tonight, will ask the cook the best wy to prepare them.
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Cowboys
I'm not a meat hunter. I only go for the trophies. I'm gonna get me one with a tracking collar. There's plenty dogs on my land. You'll have to come make a hunt this year. I've got dog chow in all my feeders. We should have a good year. Wack'em and Stack'em. yahoooooooo!!!!!!

Like they've said before on this forum......."the trophy is in the eye of the beholder". haha. In this instance, I'm going to have to take the side of the "if it's brown it's down" crowd. IF IT'S LEGAL, THEN I'M GOING TO SHOOT IT AND THERE AIN'T NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO STOP ME!!!! Sound familiar?

I wonder if walker hounds are considered dangerous game? Maybe I'll start my own show on the outdoor channel.
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mounts
I would like to make that hunt. I guess i need three. I would like one on each side of the fireplace turning and facing each other. I figured the last one i could mount just the *ss end so HOUNDDAWG could kiss it!!!
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Thanks
I think we all owe a big thank you to all the dog hunters in advance. This year, they'll be stocking our leases, free of charge, with trophy deer dogs for us to hunt.

Maybe I was wrong, these dog hunters really are our friends after all. I finally found a way for them to be useful.
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"save a deer hound shoot a still hunter"
Hounddawg.....here's your chance. We could go find a piece of state land somewhere that neither one of us are familiar with. We'll each get dropped off on opposite sides of the woods with nothing more than a backpack, a map, and a paintball gun.

If you can put paint on me, I'll give you all of my deer stands. If I put paint on you, then I take all of your dogs and give them to some Vietnamese fishermen.
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OVER
COWBOYS AND LOOTERS, THERE IS NO POINT FUSSING OVER THE DOG ISSUE, THIS YEAR THE STATE AND LAWMAKERS ARE ON OUR SIDE, SO THIS MATTER IS OVER FOR THIS YEAR. AS FOR AS SHOOTING DOGS GO AHEAD HAVE FUN, BUT REMEMBER WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND, AS I SAID YOU DON'T HUNT AROUND ME SO I HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT, BUT SOME DOG HUNTERS ARE JUST AS CRAZY AS STILL HUNTERS, SO THINK ABOUT THE CHAIN OF EVENTS THAT MIGHT OCCUR WHEN YOU BLAST'EM.
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The end
This is sad. This post has blamed everyone for all the problems.It has included race, still hunters, dog hunters, bow hunters,dogs and each other. Threats have been made, camps burned, dogs and hunters shot. This has gotten pathetic. I am embarassed that all hunters are lumped into this group. Not all of us are like some of these posts. Let it go. There are numerous decent hunters out there who can and do get along with others regardless of thier hunting method. All this bickering and threatening will accomplish is public backlash. Bad press again
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Sad
Well said Horn Hunter, it started out with different opinions and made it to threats and dog killings. It want be settled on this post, only LDWF will do that. I am sure they are aware of all the heated posts that have been on here over the last few months. It should end, I don't want to see anyone hurt, any camps burned or dogs killed. You know that is the responsibility for each hunter to make sure it doesn't escalate to that.....
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To all
Really glad to see some level headed comments for a change. Here is a quote from the Sunday Advocate:

"And, in Miller's words, We need dog hunters and still hunters prepared to present realistic problem-solving suggestions to deal with the problem of hunting with dogs.

With all this chatter I have not heard one "realistic" solution.
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Bayou Grosse Tete
The reason that they don't come up with realistic solutions, is because it's unrealistic to think that dogs can stay in confined areas while chasing deer. To me, it is realistic to ban the dogs. It's the only realistic idea ever presented in all the posts about dogs that have ever been posted on this site. Think about it. Look at what the other states are doing. People keep saying that dog hunters and still hunters need to get together to come up with a soulution. Well its not a problem for the still hunter to fix. There are only two solutions, and one of them is not an option as I see it.

1. Dog hunters stop running dogs

2. Still hunters stop complaining about dogs on their property.

Which one makes sense? Which one is fair?
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Dog Hunting
I am not a deer hunter(duck hunter), but I do hunt with/around many dog hunters. I understand the problems these dogs cause still hunters. A simple solution to this problem is to split the 120 day deer hunting season to 60 days for still hunting and 60 days for dog hunting for public land. If you plan to still hunt you buy a still hunting license, if you plan to dog hunt you buy a dog hunting license, you can not buy both. On private land, you buy a different license that says you are hunting private land and you can do both types of hunting. For people who have a lifetime license and plan to hunt public land, you must get a permit from the license office every year stating which type of hunting you would like to do. For private land owners who don't want dogs on there land, put up a 6 foot hurricane fence around there land. Or better yet put up a 8 or 12 foot fence so that "their" deer stay on their land. This would also keep out the dogs. I know that people will read this and say that the fence idea is rediculous, but if you don't want someone coming on your land, you put up a fence around your backyard. Why not do the same for your hunting property. I know that it would be expensive, but it would solve your problem and everyone would still be able to do the type of hunting they like to do.
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Fencing
Ok Chad here is your chance to be a hero what do we do when we put up a fence and you have dog hunters that cut the fence and tear down the gates and tell you they have the right to go where ever they need to get there dogs back? Not everyone has rational dog hunters to deal with we are in the process now of eating the cost of fencing more than 1000 acres with other than barbed wire because barbed wire and the posted signs that we are not even required by law to have do not even slow them down. Then what do you do next?
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Fencing
I find it hard to beleive that someone says that they have the right to tear down a fence to get ther dogs back...by the way how did the dogs get on that side of the fence??? Did they jump it, or did they find a hole. I know that you don't have to fence your property, but the United States does not have to fence the borders......also, I am not trying to be a hero, just a simple suggestion. I don't know what size fence you are putting up, but if the deer can jump it, they will eventually find refuge there by not being pressured from the dogs....so you can say that it is an improvement to your land by making it a refuge.
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Dog Hunting !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
One way to fix it all. Have a still season & a dog season. Then make it just that. If you're a still hunter, you've got your season.

Then if you don't like dog hunting, stay out of the woods during the dog season.

You can even make a split still/dog season so each party can hunt early & late in the season.
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?
Elmo I guess the still hunters are required to stay on their own land during still season. But the dog hnters can roam freely since there are no still hunters to bother?
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Hunters Roaming
Cowboys....since you can't still hunt during the dog hunting season...why not go out on your land with a game warden and ticket every dog hunter on your land?????
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for the record
there are two different chad's posting on this thread.... ;)
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?
Thats a joke right? How many game wardens are there?
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The real Chad.
Will the real Chad step forward. I know which post is from the other Chad. Caught that right off the bat.
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Elmo and Chad
You guys still don't get it, after months and months of listening to this. It's not only about the clash of still hunters and dog hunters trying to hunt the same place at the same time. It's mainly about PRIVATE PROPERTY, and keeping your dogs and yourself off of it.

When are you guys going to admit that's the problem and give us a solution that doesn't include still hunters having to make all the compromises, changes, sacrifices,etc.?

Tell me what you are going to sacrifice so that dog hunters and still hunters can come to an agreement on this issue. I have been sacrificing for decades, and compromising my way of hunting (on my own property)while dogs run rampant on my land.

The only thing you guys offer are things like....."why can't we all just get along", or "You hunt the way you want and I'll hunt the way I want". Well that doesn't solve anything. In other words, you're saying f**k you, I'm happy with the way things are going now. Of course you are, there are no consiquences for your dogs being where they don't belong. The responses are all so predictable and obvious of their intent.

Oh, by the way.....If you guys aren't "bad dog hunters" then completely disregard this comment, because I'm sure your dogs stay where they're supposed to and don't tresspass.

I'll say it again........

Definition of a good dog hunter: One who has neighbors that don't mind trespassers.
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Cowboys......we'll try this recipe next year.
1. Bosintang (soup)

Dog Soup is called, Gaejang, Gajangkuk, or Gujang, Gujangaeng,
Guyoukgeng. It has been called Bosintang from the later part of 1940,but during
the period of the 1988 Olympic games, it was banned to use the name of
Bosintang, so its name was replaced by Youngyangtang, Sacheoltang,
Mungmungtang. But nowadays, the name of Bosintang is widely used instead
of Youngyangtang. Bosintang is made by boiling dog meat with thin soy paste,
tearing it into pieces, putting ingredients such as green onion, leek, stalk of taro,
brake into broth, and boiling it again to make Bosintang. In Kyungsang
province, to get rid of the smell, perilla purple are put in the soup. Perilla are
also used for ridding the smell. Taste of perilla is similar to that of dog, and
it becomes a good match to dog meat. Side dishes of dog meat are Kimchi,
fresh peppers, and cucumbers. Adding a glass of Soju(liquor) enhances the
taste.

The standard amount of ingredients for one portion.

(1) Ingredients

100g of boiled dog meat, 500g of gravy, 20g of green onion, 10g of a leek,
10g of perilla leaves, 100g of taro stalk soaked in water.

(2) Sauce

8g of salt, 2g of mashed garlic, 3g of perilla, 2g of red pepper, 2g of mashed
ginger, a little amount of pepper.

(3) Cooking instruction

After boiling the meat with gravy and stalk of taro for some time, boil again
after putting vegetables an d other ingredients into it. Before eating, sprinkle
pepper on it and put into an earthen bowl. The stalk of taro is to be kept in cold
water one or two days to get rid of its smell and taste.

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sounds good
We are talking about a deer dog bouchree at our lease. Sorry, i know that spelling is probably way off.
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don't know about which one is "real"
but, I am the one who has been around here for a while....and I'm not a dog hunter, nor do I believe that the other Chad is either....nor do I think that I should have to give up days afield simply because I want to hunt on my property how I want to hunt on my property....I say we make it 60 days of rifle season, all of them being with or without dogs, so long as I am allowed to hunt how I want, and dog hunters are allowed to hunt how they want, on their property....I also don't agree with having to spend thousands of dollars on a fence so that I can be in peace on the property I already pay thousands of dollars a year to hunt on in which ever manner I WANT, so long as it is according to state regulations...Again, I am all for the dog hunters keeping their tradition alive, so long as the tradition doesn't include me and my property.....thats all....Now, chit will happen, and even the most consciencious and respectful dogger will have dogs stray onto surrounding properties once in a while....I am OK with that...once in a while does not bother me, especially if I know others are doing their best to control them.......however, turning dogs loose 100 yards from my property line is not doing the above things, nor is having dogs on my property every single day of the dog season for the past 20 years or so.....not that they are all from the same place mind you, but just that in general, when you figure all parties, I do not have a day of rest....not one....
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Come to your senses
The intended ban on dog hunting has nothing whatsoever to do with hunting. It's big business trying to control the Basin.
If you attended the task force meetings (I attended all the meetings this year) you would have seen the circle jerk that Rudy Sparks ("land manager") and Edgar had going on. Edgar paid an outrageous price for a lease from Rudy Sparks to basically crawfish, he could really give a darn about hunting. He's the one that we can basically blame this fustercluck on. Edgar is one of those fellas who will lease a 100 ac and hunt a 1000. He likes the spotlight on him. He is a suckass when it benefits him.
All you so called still hunters on here crying, all I have to ask is,"Where the hell were you?" To busy picking out a new camoflge suit at Wally World?
If you hunt the Basin, you should expect dogs. I'm sorry that's just the way it is. There are plenty of places in the state where it is still hunting only. Go there, please.
I do know of one small landowner who was on the board and has a legitimate complaint. Hopefully his problem can be resolved without dragging everybody and their cousin in it.
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gauger and Ray
Scroll down and read my last post. I'm still waiting on a logical solution from dog hunters.
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guager
Did some more research......

Edgar doesn't crawfish ANYWHERE in the basin.

Secondly, what are you talking about when you say that it has nothing to do with hunting? I am a landowner and I can assure you.......IT HAS EVERYTING TO DO WITH HUNTING AND KEEPING PRIVATE PROPERTY PRIVATE.

Third, Big business trying to control the Basin???????????

Fourth, Shut up dumba$$.

As for the comment about "if you hunt the Basin you should expect dogs"...........well I do expect dogs, but I don't tolerate them, and if your dogs cut accross my property this year YOU can EXPECT to pick them up with a hole in them.
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Ray
Its easy.......simply don't click the little thingy that says "MEETING" and you won't have to listen to any of it.

This is what this thread is about. Don't like it? click something else.
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Looter
First you don't have the nuts to shoot a hound, if by the slim chance you do don't get caught.
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Dog hunting.
First, just a little about me. I don't hunt in south La. where all those problems are going on. I'm a basic still hunter in a dog hunting club for over 40 years. True I'd rather still hunt. Half of our club members are what you call dog hunters & hunt less than half of the dog season. You never see those hunters until the dog season starts. Thats half of our members not hunting during the still season. Then all the others but about five of us just hunt a few days or a weekend or two the whole season. I'm one of the five that hunts nearly the whole season. With all the different types of hunters in our club, we get along great. The only thing I don't like about the dog hunting is that we run some of our bucks to the other four clubs & privite land owners that surround us. We have went to beagles & that has cut down on the bucks being killed by other people. The three non dog hunting clubs even thank us for running the deer to them & can't wait each season until it starts. I know there are some bad eggs out there, but we don't have the problems that you guys are talking about. The last thing we want is that our dogs run one of our deer to someone else, but the dog will follow the deer.

There is a couple of things to do before you lease land or join a club.

1. If it is a dog hunting club & you join it don't try to change it. You will not have a membership in that club very long if you try.

2. If you lease land, see if it is still or dog hunting clubs around it. Don't lease it if the hunting around it doesn't suit you.

One other thing, shoot a dog in Caldwell Parish & you'll spend some jail time if you get caught.

Come on deer season.
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sad situation
it is sad that there is still no-solution to the dog running problem from the ones causing the trouble.weather hunting or not, dogs are loose in the woods from sept.bow season untill feb. in one area i hunt. but not a problem on another.as the dog hunters have put-up a high fence around their property a few yrs back.(good dog hunters)I haven't heard any complaints or saw any dogs lingering around since.it's just the shove-it-down-your-throat hunters that will kill the tradition for themselves, and expect others to just put-up with it while they still can.I like the permit idea.
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Dog Hunters
If they are running deer in Sept. there is a law being broke. Report them to the law.

Thats how we ( not the WLF's dept ) stopped the night hunting in my area of north La. You shine a spot light or cut your head lights across a pasture on any of the clubs around us, someone will be paying you a visit. The word has been out for a while now. Only a dumb kid under 25 riding around drinking will get caught every few years now.

Some of the worst outlaws I have ever seen while growing up are now better than any enforcement agent the state has. There is one that sets up many nights just trying to catch someone. But this is in an area where we have our privite land inside of the land we have leased & all the people are on the same page.
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not hunting
elmo2,not hunting in sept., just training i guess.beagles & ,brown terriors?. maybe a couple of pets that get out of the neighbors yard.from time to time?none the less they are on our property and have been comming through there for years.I just hunt anyway, because that's the way it is.
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Bayou Crook Chene
We do have the balls to shoot some dogs. If it's a problem, i'll tell them my name is widowmaker, and i am the greatest hunter the world has ever seen, and i thought it was a fawn. They are extremely hard to hunt, since they learned so much during there 6 months of living. They do have the most tender meat, right?
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dog hunters
The dog hunters don't want a solution, they like it the way it is!!! A free-for-all. The don't want to comprimise. They want to hunt everywhere. Not just thier land. That is why they have not made any suggestions. It makes sense. If a dog hunter could keep his dogs on his property only, how long do you think it would be before the deer realize they get pressured on that land and move out to other areas? If a dog hunter was truly interested in keeping his dogs on his own land, he could. with fences or shock collars. But they're not. Not only do some want to hunt the small pieces of state lands(which are surrounded by private property) with dogs, they want to turn private lands into state lands with the "high water mark" theory. So basically, they want to take over most private lands in the basin. that is a solution for dog hunters.

here is a still hunters solution. buy a few head of any kind of livestock. Goats, pigs, cows, anything cheap. If a dog is on your land, harrasing your livestock, you can leagally kill it. You can buy goats for a dime a dozen. Thats my plan for next year. and trust me, Crooke Chene, I have the nuts!!!!

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perfect
That is absolutely hilarious cowboy. perfect.
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Real Chad??? What is that???
I guess I need to change my name...to something that doesn't represent who I am. I am sorry that I made a suggestion. I guess I will just sit back and follow the pack. The solutions of killing the dogs and/or not allowing it are not going to happen. I wish both parties luck...however all must remember that the legislature can overturn any thing the wildlife and fisheries does....It is good to have elected officials who dog hunt for the future of dog hunting....
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Cowboy
I'll be sure i dose my hounds with a little bit of strict 9 before i turn them loose on your LEASE.

Keep um coming, i might right a book about this one day.
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A metaphor on dog hunting

Dog hunting is like the second-hand smoke issue or the boom-box car stereo issue. I have no problem that you choose to ruin your health by smoking or play your music so loud
that it will eventually degrade your capacity to hear. It is when I have to breathe your cigarette smoke or have your music vibrate my windows that I have a problem. I choose not to smoke or listen to loud music and my choice doesn't bother you in any way. You choose to smoke in my vicinity or play your loud music near me and I
have to participate in your choice whether I want to or not. This doesn't make your choice the right choice for anyone but you. It is wrong that my health is affected
or my peace is destroyed by your choice. If I could rope off a place for you to smoke or listen to loud music so that it didn't bother me, I would do so. Unfortunately, there no longer is enough room for that.
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Neworleanslooter
You speak big. Sounds as if you are a stirrer. If you really don't think it's about the big land companies wanting to control the state lands in the basin, you are ignorant on how this situation was unfolding. Daniel Edgar has gone on record as to having spent $50,000.oo on trespass issues. You think it was for a couple of dogs on his property? Heck no. It's all about the almighty dollar. He got into an argument about highwater/flood plain issues with the crawfishermen on "his land".
It was Rudy Sparks who at the last moment tried his best to at least ban deer dogging on state land. He is on record as saying he doesn't even hunt. All he can see is more dollar signs on his lease agreements.
Don't go shooting dogs. All you are gonna do is get yourself and others in trouble. Be an adult about it.
The task force was a sham. The true still hunters were not represented and didn't show up. Maybe it's because they realize that the dog hunters have already made compromises and to ask for more would be wrong..
And as far as the talk by a few of shooting hunting dogs, I hope you get what you have coming to you.
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Gauger
WHAT COMPROMISES HAVE YOU MADE???????

If that guy spent $50,000. How long will it take for him to get his money back? Where is the return on his $50,000 investment?

When will you get it? It's not only the fact that the dogs are on my property. Be it sightseers, birdwatchers, whatever. I DON'T WANT TRESSPASSERS. The fact is, I haven't seen many people having a picnic in my food plot. The vast majority of my tresspassing problems come from dog hunters and their dogs. Do what you want on your property, but keep your dogs off of mine.

How much more per acre is it worth to have a lease that doesn't have dog problems? Why? Doesn't that speak volumes about the problem????

Are you suggesting that the man spent $50,000 to fight tresspassers, so that he will have to pay more money for the land he leases because it doesn't have dog hunting problems?
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joke
Gauger, please enlighten us all on how this situation unfolded. I would love to hear it. who is this big land company you talk about? Edgar? I bet that was the best $50,000 he ever spent. If he spent that kind of bank to keep people off his land, why don't dog hunters spend a fraction of that to keep thier dogs on thier land. I have much respect for a man that will spend that to keep people off his land. obviously so do the other land owners. This dog hunting will stop, your just delaying the inevitable. The longer you delay it, the harder it will affect you. I like the second hand smoke analogy that was posted, that fits the bill perfectly.
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Hunting Deer with Dogs
As a member of the LDWF Commission and a member of this
Taks Force, the issue is ONE thing, keeping Dogs from going onto lands that belong to other hunting clubs. I do enjoy huntig Deer with dogs but where I hunt, we have a large tract of land and don't have problems with our dogs going on other people's land. There are Fewer and Fewer people hunting deer with dogs, there are fewer hunters period. I would love to see this last forever BUT these dog hunters MUST undetstand that they MUST keep the dogs on their land. I don't enjoy it when my neighbors dogs come poop in my front yard. I listend to one dog hunter on this committe and he came up with an excuse for everthing but offered NO solutions. He said it is not a compromise if the dog hunters have to go to a Hunting Permit System because the Still Hunters won't have to do anything but what he does NOT understand or want to belive is that his group is outnumbered, 85% Still Hunt vs 15% that dog hunt. He tried to challenge these numbers, I know LOTS of those that hunt deer, probalby 500, I only know of 30 that hunt deer with dogs. My guess is that the Still Hunter will go to the Legisalture and get a Bill passed that says NO more Hunting Deer with Dogs in LA UNLESS you have 800 or more acres that are fenced in. The landowners that lease to hunters, there are MANY more landowners that lease to still hunters than to dog hunters and they have the Clout to get this done. Things change and I see this coming, maybe I am wrong BUT many others agree with me, even those that dog hunt.
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Hunting Deer with Dogs
As a member of the LDWF Commission and a member of this
Taks Force, the issue is ONE thing, keeping Dogs from going onto lands that belong to other hunting clubs. I do enjoy huntig Deer with dogs but where I hunt, we have a large tract of land and don't have problems with our dogs going on other people's land. There are Fewer and Fewer people hunting deer with dogs, there are fewer hunters period. I would love to see this last forever BUT these dog hunters MUST undetstand that they MUST keep the dogs on their land. I don't enjoy it when my neighbors dogs come poop in my front yard. I listend to one dog hunter on this committe and he came up with an excuse for everthing but offered NO solutions. He said it is not a compromise if the dog hunters have to go to a Hunting Permit System because the Still Hunters won't have to do anything but what he does NOT understand or want to belive is that his group is outnumbered, 85% Still Hunt vs 15% that dog hunt. He tried to challenge these numbers, I know LOTS of those that hunt deer, probalby 500, I only know of 30 that hunt deer with dogs. My guess is that the Still Hunter will go to the Legisalture and get a Bill passed that says NO more Hunting Deer with Dogs in LA UNLESS you have 800 or more acres that are fenced in. The landowners that lease to hunters, there are MANY more landowners that lease to still hunters than to dog hunters and they have the Clout to get this done. Things change and I see this coming, maybe I am wrong BUT many others agree with me, even those that dog hunt.
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Mouton
That 800 acres of fence deal sounds good. If that were the case, I'd try to get in one of those clubs. I have nothing against dog hunting, as a matter of fact I like the excitement of the race. I just don't think it's right to invade other people's property. I would venture to say that if the fence deal were implemented, more people would dog hunt, more people would still hunt, and less camps would burn.
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Band Still Hunting
A large number of dog hunters respect still hunting clubs. Yes there are a few clubs that do not. But thers are also still hunting clubs that do not respect dog clubs. Still hunters have from October to the beggining of February to still hunt all they want. Dog hunters have around 40 days. We fool w/ dogs every day of the year for the opportunity to use them for this small amount of time. If a still hunter does not like it STAY HOME for the 8 to 10 days you might hunt during this time. We like to hunt animal against animal because thats the way our fathers and grandfathers used to do it. Still hunters clear land w/ tractors, plant wheat and grass, pour corn all over and sit in a box and wait for a deer to walk out so they can shoot it. You are not hunting, you are hoping to get lucky to shoot a deer that is hungry. I think there is no sport in that and I want dog hunters to band together to band still hunting. Sounds stupid huh? Leave dog hunters alone and lets all hunt together. Let us have our 40 days!!!!!
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funny
That sounds great cyberdog, were your fathers and grandfathers trespassers too? "IF" dog hunters could hunt without bothering everyone else, i would fight for you to extend your season. But, you can't. until you can, I will fight to stop you.
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Gauger
guager.....WHAT COMPROMISES HAVE YOU MADE???????

Cyber dog......FROM WHAT YOU DISCRIBED, THE ONLY WAY THAT STILL HUNTERS HAVE BOTHERED YOU IS THAT THEY WON'T LET YOU RUN ALL OVER THEIR PROPERTY!!!!!!!

I'M STILL WAITING TO HEAR A LOGICAL SOLUTION FROM YOU DOG HUNTERS. CAN'T ANYONE OFFER SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE?

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Boudreaux and Thibodaux mentality
Cyber dog basically said, if you still hunters don't like dogs running accross your property and ruining your hunts, then just stay home.

Is that your solution? Is that what you call compromise?
Man, please tell me you can't have children, because we have enough idiots already.

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Cyberdud
You call still hunting unsportsman? I've been waiting on someone to bash dog hunters for their lack of sportsmanship since this post came up. We jump people that hunt a 5000 acre game-proofed ranch for being unsportsman like, but we don't think turning a pack of dogs loose to chase deer towards you as unsportsman like? I really don't see the logic.
I guess this is the 200th post, and the only resolution i've seen from the dog hunters is that still hunters have to live with the tresspassing and shut up. Well i can live with that if you can live with dead dogs.
I felt so threatend when i saw that pack of crazy dogs coming at me officer i had to start shooting in self defense. I was afraid for my life and my childs life. Sorry i only got three, the other one got away!
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Meeting
Mr. Mouton gave some insight to things to come concerning dog hunting, fenced in areas, and acres of land. I am sure he knows some things he really can't share with the general public at this time. The dog hunters that continue to post with the outrageous quotes and comments are really turning the tide, IN FAVOR OF ALL STILL HUNTERS. A change is coming....
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50,000.00
Looking back at the previous post about Mr.Edgar and his 50k,did anyone think the 50k was to keep him and his men from getting into trouble and not to keep tresspassers off his land....The thing that some of you dont know about Edgar is that until 2 years ago he was the bigget dog hunter on the basin.He started alot of this mess and got into alot of trouble with clubs and landowners because he was tresspassing!BTW....he still dog hunts in the marsh...
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Dog Hunting
What does compromise mean? For many on both sides it must mean only my way or else. Thats the problem most you guys are having.
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Dog hunters compromises
Up until the late 60's/early 70's there was no still hunt/dog hunt seasons. Then in the 70's a group of hunters asked for a still season. It was granted and the dog hunters lost days. In the 80's and 90's the same thing happened. We have from about the middle of December to around the end of January to use our dogs to hunt. That's maybe 8 weekends. Most clubs don't run dogs during the week, just on weekends.
Still hunters w/ bows have from the start of October till the end of January, Then muzzleloaders have another few weeks before, during, and after the regular season, and still hunters w/modern firearms have from the beginning of November till the middle of Dec. Tell me now that dog hunters haven't made compromises.
On the lease I hunt with they know their are still hunters trespassing on the property during the still seasons. Doesn't really bother them because they only dog hunt. They wouldn't think of banning still hunting.
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Dog Hunting
To me compromise means, both sides give and take, but in this case, I don't think a compromise to keep allowing trespassers/dog hunters onto someone's private land is a compromise. Dog Hunters can have all the days they want to hunt with dogs, but keep them off private property....
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Cyberdog
you say that still hunters plant food plots and wait for hungry deer and such and that you dont see the point in doing something that easy? ....On state lands that is surely not true since it is illegal to bait deer..so we spend our time scouting looking for NATURAL food sources and deer sign....Bowhunters dont really do this either its not like we can shoot across a 200 yard foodplot...Not all still hunters hunt over foodplots and bait deer....so think before u talk because i Hunt in the woods 75% of the time and every once in a while ill go to the foodplot to gather some meat for the freezer...so the point across... still hunting is not always that easy
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Got Your Attention / Now Listen
Yes, there is solutions to the trespassing problems w/ dogs but finding one to please everyone is hard. A solution I heard @ a meeting is the tagging system. I think if dog hunters like me tagged our dogs like however we were asked is a start. If dogs are caught on someones property call the game warden w/ the info on the tag and let there be sitation issued to the owner of the dog via the mail. Yes there are things that would have to be worked out w/ this plan but the basic idea is good. For an example if my dogs are caught on my ajoining hunting clubs property they call me to let me know. I hunt private land and so does the other club but we have a good relationship and when I go to get my dog I apologize and they say no problem. We then talk and sometimes they say "I shot at a buck your dog was chasing" or "I killed a buck your dog was chasing" and I am happy for them. I know this is not the case for everyone but why do we all have to get punished for a few idiots. I would be the first to step up and pay my citation if the tagging system was in place. If anything it would at least make the dog hunters more carefull before turning loose in areas next to other clubs. Remember that dog hunters like me just love to here the chase and brag on our dogs rather than the kill. Don't punish us all.
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hear, say
Micah, everything you say about Mr. Edgar is gossip. Just like the gossip we here about you and your father. and the trespassing and night hunting. You don't like it when its about you, so don't be two faced and do it to someone else. you obviously know nothing about this man. although I agree that two years ago he was the biggest dog hunter in the basin. Do you think his decision to go still hunt only came lightly? No, he probably loved dog hunting just like you, but I'm sure he realized that he didn't want the reputation that he was getting. The reputation of being an outlaw and trespasser. He is obviously trying to prove that he is not an outlaw by changing the way he hunts. Have you??????? Besides, how many honest landowners would side with such an outlaw? The man gets more respect from landowners than anyone I know. He is fighting for the landowners with his own money and time, against piss ants like you.
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Laughing my azz off
Mr. Edger......that one had me giggling all day! The only time I will ever address him as Mr. is when he is fixing to go 6 foot under and I will say "Mr. Edger I am sure glad youre gone."

Aside from popular belief, that man was one of the biggest outlaws in the basin, trespassed more than anyone, and lived with a headlight on his head. Now that is fact! Do he and his club still do it; I think so but can't prove it yet!
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crooke
I'll do the same when I'm standing over your hounds. By choice or by force, I think it will stop. MR. Edgar is leading the honest hunters into the future of hunting. your just pissed because your not one of them.
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oooohhhhhh.......
Has a nerve been struck?
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Yes
I think I did strike one, the truth hurts some times! LOL
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Don't go there
I will not even get into why they ran his sorry azz out of the Marsh years ago, or how they did it.
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While were at it
While were on the subject, how can you consider him a hunter?? All he does is ride around with his pistol and 350 pound guard dog trying to keep people off land that he doesn't have leased but claims. You want to continue on the subject then lets go, I have an extensive background in this field and I lead the debate team in high school so lets get it on.
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Out of hand!
Guys...this post seems to have gone on long enough. Looks like its really evolved into B.S.

Let's cool it for the Easter holidays. Thanks.
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Driftwood
I have only met Mr.Edgar a few times and have nothing against the man....he is very smart and knows how to use the system and his money very well.The fact is he did stir the pot in the basin with the way he was hunting dogs.I never called him a name of any sort.....The whole name calling thing is for cry babies that dont get there way...I may not have Mr Edgars money but it doesnt mean Im a piss aunt.When it comes to the way I hunt and fish,your barking up the tree fellow!Btw...everyone has a opinion on different things on this forum...dont mess it up with name calling.
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BCC
Leave Bayou Crook Chene alone, he led the debate team in high school! We always put them one rung below the drama club kids.
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Cowboy
Thanks cowboy,

Glad to see some people have a since of humor.
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No Comments?
I guess what I said today must make some sense. Can anyone respond to the idea of tagging your dogs.
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We Start again
Just wanted to see if it was locked. LOL
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Driftwood
Just read your comments about Daniel Edgar.....If you believe that all that is said about him is just bull then Mr.Domino Sugar mouth must have gotten to you too!....I'm now wondering if your not one of the little soldiers that hunt with him & address him as Mr.Daniel also!....I'm pretty sure that Sugar Mouth didn't foot the whole bill for court...his little soldiers had to pay their share & I think a good % of landowners waived their lease fee for 1 year....Well liked & respected Mr.Donimo Mouth also has leasers that love to eat seafood....which isn't bad when that's what he deals in...If you have something Mr.Domino needs or can help him with the sugar starts to flow....or maybe I'm wrong...It's so sweet it might just be PURE HONEY....Podna....Hope EVERYONE(still hunters & dog hunters) has a Happy Easter!
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funny
crooke, you must be one of the guys that got manhandled by that 350 pound guard dog. got a pretty good idea of who you are. think I had a conversation with you last season. No, I don't hunt with Mr. Edgar. though I would love too. Can't afford to keep all of my other leases and join his. Nothing you can say about him will degrade my respect for him. There is a reason he is part of the Task force, there is a reason he leases from over thirty different landowners, there is a reason he leases over 20,000 acres, there is a reason he quit dog hunting, there is a reason people give him that respect. Good People. There is also a reason his camp burnt down, there is a reason dog hunters loose there leases, there is a reason you dislike him, there is a reason you got held underwater, there is also a reason why dog hunting will stop. Are you part of the problem or part of the solution? People have hated these dogs for a long time. This isn't new. Most were scared of getting camps burnt, and so on, if they spoke up. Not him. That's where he gets his respect from me. I'm sure he knew what would happen. Since he has stood up against you, he has gained more respect from landowners and hunters from all across the state. and when the dumb a$$es burnt the camp, that was the icing on the cake. Proved everything he said would happen. I have the luxury of not owning anything that you guys can destroy,(camps, houseboats etc.) so I can speak freely without any fear of my property being damaged by such a coward. Hope you can say the same. because I'm sure this isn't over, It will get worse before it gets better. But I think the end result will be the extinction of dog hunters.
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OK
ok guys...why r yall still arguing about this subject...i mean it makes no sense..PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS...I AM JUST GONNA LEAVE IT AT THAT....some of you all are makin this site look bad..(bad spelling ETC)
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Animosity can be expected
I know this much......I have much respect for Mr. Sparks and Mr. Edgar. They are moving in the right direction. You can tell alot about a person just by analysing the type of people that don't like him. If the landowners are willing to give him free leases, then what does that tell you?

I bet there's not one inmate in Angola that likes the warden, but does that mean that they're all right and he's wrong? No, that just means that they're bitter because they don't like the way things are going.
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Cyber dog
I did respond to your idea of the tagging. Click on "TO ALL DOG HUNTERS" and read it. I don't feel like typing it again.
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Crock of Chene
Tell me about your extensive background. In what field? Sound to me like you've got a Phd in BS.

Debate team? The towel boy position must have already been taken.
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Crock
I find it hard to believe that you harbor enough anger toward a person that you wish he were dead, simply because he posted land that wasn't his. Why don't you give me a little more information about your experiences with this man and maybe you can open my eyes to the situation?

Your exaggerated anger response, and violent outbursts are consistent with the symptoms of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. This leads me to believe that something more than you are telling me has transpired between yourself and this guy. Fill me in.
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???
Though I respect Sparks and Edgar, it really doesn't make a difference to me what they do or have done. I'm concerned about private property being private. And anyone who is trying to justify their dogs drifting onto private property (accident or not) is simply wrong. Because the fact is, in 30+ years of hunting, I have never caught dogs on my property that weren't there by accident (supposedly). And just because they are sorry for letting them get on my property doesn't make my hunt any less interupted.
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Ray
Don't take bits and pieces of what I said and twist them to mean what you want them to mean. Read all of my post. Just like I said.....I don't care what he has done. I like his ideas and I like what he is pushing for RIGHT NOW. No I don't agree with people posting land that isn't there's to post in the first place. But I don't have any proof of that and I don't have that problem. I don't know what the man has done in the past and don't care. He just happens to be a voice that I agree with on this and several other issues. As long as he has a strong forward momentum toward keeping tresspassers off of my property, he has my respect and my support. And from what I understand, he has spent money and put forth a hugh effort to make sure his property lines are accurate. He has taken his property disputes to court and won. If you claim that in the past he was claiming something that wasn't his, then why don't you do the same?

P.S. You know what this post is about before you click on it. If you don't want to read it, then why don't you just click on one of Huntress's latest posts instead? Your dislike of this post cannot even come close to comparing to my dislike of dogs on my property. But the difference is, you have a choice. I don't. So piss off.

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Drift Wood
Make no mistake about it, I am not Buddy. If you are who I think you are then that explains everything about your comments.
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My take on what is happening
The situation in the Basin is much like the "immigration" issue we have in America. For 100 years or better we have used hounds to deer hunt. Now we have the new wave still hunters moving in our area trying to tell us that we have to change to their way of hunting. It's really no different than the Muslims coming here and telling us our women have to wear veils or the Mexicans telling us we need to speak Spanish. We as Americans will resist this to the fullest, just as I and a large group of hunters will resist the will of a few cry babies to impose their will on the many.
A few still hunters have tried to make this a trespassing issue. That's about ridiculous. Some others have compared it to drunk driving or second hand smoke. There is no comparison as those two issue are related to safety.
Plenty of compromises by the dog hunters have been made in this state as I explained in an earlier post.
I can only hope that the few landowners/leasee's who have legitimate complaints will come to the table in November and work with everyone to resolve them.
I hope everyone has a happy and successful deer this this year.
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Guager can you re-explain your compromises that dog hunters are willing to make. I don't mean the tagged dog situation. I mean the compromise to keep your dog off of my land.
How is it not a tresspassing issue? I think you guys stand a better chance of keeping your right to dog hunt, if for 1 minute you would listen to most still hunters saying they don't care what you do just do it on your land and not on theirs.
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PAPA-T
I could not agree more I said the same thing a couple of weeks back it all boils down to RESPECT. Public land is just that it is for all the public to hunt whatever season is open is open but if a guy owns land he should be able to hunt it without being disturbed if he wishes it shouldn't matter if it is a 60x60 lot it is his and his neighbors should respect his wishes. Everyone wonders why the world is going to hell in a hand basket it is because of issues just like this and no one respecting other peoples way of life. If a dog hunter wants to dog hunt and that is what he chooses more power to him just respect your neighbors and keep your dogs off of his property. That is not to much to ask. If you read the regulations I do not have to fence my property or even hang a posted sign you have to have permission to be there.
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I can understand.....
PaPa-T, I remember those days even if I'm not quite as old as you.
CWB, I know about the law you mention. Just do some research and find out who pushed for that law to be passed. Won't be long and you ain't gonna have many places to fish much less hunt. Get ready to dig even deeper into that ever emptying pocket. I've painted my share of property lines in my time. If you "own" property I believe it should be mandatory that you at least do that.
As far as buying a 60x60 lot and trying to change the established enviroment, you should learn to adapt. I wholeheartedly agree that no man should step foot on anothers property without permission, but a dog is a different matter all together. Respect goes both ways. I have hunted small acreage in the Basin and we welcomed the dogs. I believe I just may know who you are. LOL
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THANK YOU
ONCE AGAIN GUAGER! THAT COMMENT ABOUT A DOG NOT HAVING TO ABIDE BY THE LAW IS WHATS GOING TO FINISH IT FOR YA'LL ONE DAY!
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new wave
dog hunting has been around for so long. Don't you guys remember the pictures in the history books of the american indians with a boat full of walker hounds? and this "new wave" of still hunting is just a disgrace. I mean, these guys just started still hunting yesterday, and they want to tell me that I can no longer hunt on thier property like I have been doing for years. what a crock of $hit...

PS incase you couldn't recognize through writing, that was sarcasm.

My ancestors weren't dog hunters. So why deprive me of the way my ancestors hunted by turning dogs loose on a 600 acre piece of state land? When you know good and well that your dogs will be on my land in less than ten minutes?
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