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Great Marksmanship/ Poor Sportsmanship (WMA)

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I had been waiting all week just to get in the woods Friday during the front. I was going by myself because everyone else was busy. Got a phone call at 9:00pm on turkey day... My buddy was going with me. We headed to Three Rivers from Denham Springs at 2:00am and we were in the tree getting pounded with rain at 5:30, and that is where my story starts.

The hunt was good all morning, droping temps, on and off showers, wind blowing from our scent right back from where we came from. At 6:30 I had two does dart through a thicket. I thought to myself ' Good they're moving', Then nothing. At 10:00 I got down to meet up with my buddy and reposition for the rest of the hunt.

As I neared him I heard two shots from two different guns 5 seconds apart and it came from my buddy's spot. Glanced towards him to find him standing by a deer. I got to the deer and talked to him. I said 'who shot first' and he pointed. Not even 40yds from my buddy was a guy sitting in a tree.

So their story is... The deer came from behind my friend who was on the ground packing up in disgust over the hunter who diliberately sat 40yds from him because 'that is where he sits every year'. Anyways the guy shot a 3 point 15 yards from my buddy, then my buddy turns and shoots the deer too.

So the three of us are gathere around a 3 point and begin talking. The guy says I shot it here thats my whole pointing to the one that lungs and spine and came out just in front and high on the rear quarter. I looked at his gun and said 'thats a pretty big hole for a 30-30. My buddy shot with his .454 casull revolver. The other shot ended up going ina few inches below the ear and coming out of the lower neck hitting nothin major. So if you paid attention to the angles and bullet holes you know who made the final and fatal shot.

Well the other guy was kinda onry and started being pushy saying 'thats my deer I'm bringing him out... do you want half?' So we ended up letting the guy take the deer.

So as the title says... To my buddy Great Marksmanship for shooting a running deer at 30yds with an open sight revolver. And poor sportsmanship to the other guy who obviously forgot about courtesy and respect for other hunters. Hope all of you had better luck than us. Happy Hunting!

-SS
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MOVE ON
Guys its time to move on. Enough is said on this report..
sorry to hear
Sorry to hear about the poor sportsman. Given it was 2 against 1 I would have figured the other hunter would have backed down. Further, I think I would have called a game warden to come settle the dispute and if the deer was lost then so be it. I would rather neither of us take the deer before I let someone take something that is mine.

Good luck on the next hunt.
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Kill shot
our rule in our club is the last man to shoot no arguement needed. But i have a question for you, i could be wrong but wouldnt you think a 30-30 3 inches below the ear hole and into the neck would be a dang fatal shot. Just the impact of the shot would snap the deers head around. Maybe your friend shot the deer on its death fall. Only the two hunters and god knows who killed that deer though.
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huh?
I wasnt there but yall should have known from which angle each hunter shot from,with that being said if it was your buddys shot that did it that guy wouldnt have been leaving with that deer!
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My buddy's shot was the one that hit lung and spine. After the other guy shot the deer ran 30 more yards and my buddy said he showed no sign of slowing down. When my buddy shot, the deer dropped. I know who's shot was who's. It doesn't take a genius to tell the difference between a 30-30 hole and a .454 hole. With that being said... Thanks for reading my post. My intentions were just to get on here and vent.
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hmmmm
Interesting story. I know you are not asking but keep in mind I don't have any clue of shooting angles that occurred etc. Just taking into account the first shot with a rifle at close range and then a second shot with a pistol at a running deer that dropped at the shot sounds to me like lung shot was mad by the 30-30 and not the other way around.

But like I said I don't have all the information. Just an observation.
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Same thing I thought about Mike, but with the angles and the size of the holes I wouldnt think it could be the other way around. One set (entrance and exit) was a little bigger than a pencil. The other set... I could stick my thumb in. I am jus going off angles, size, and order of shot. I know this stuff happens every year on public land... Just figured I wouldnt be the first one venting about it this year.
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Hey yo
I know the story is subject to opinion. I made the final shot.....the kill shot. The deer was jumped by another hunter and the guy had to whistle at it to slow down. My best guess is when the deer turned to look at him the bullet slid in right behind his ear and came out without ever touching meat. The hole was too small for a three hundred grain hollow point to make. I gave the guy the deer bc I didn't want any confrontation as well as the grief of dragging it a mile. The deer wasn't 100% legit so it felt right to just let him have it.
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This is the second time this has happend to myself on public land. I'm aware of the last shot rule. Even after I shot that deer I knew deep down inside of me that it was not a deer I could take pride in. It may have been my first pistol kill but, it didn't feel right even though the deer was mine.
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Sell Out
Swine Stalker you sell out. Undertaker told me that he saw you in the woods and also told me this story. I figured you would atleast stop by the campground and say hello. Sell out
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first lethal shot
Hunters safety teaches that in this situation, whoever made the first lethal shot is the ethical owner of the deer. Just because the deer ran off after the first shot, doesn't mean it wouldn't have died shortly after. Not trying to take sides, just passing along some info.
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Live Bait
I didnt sell out I just let everyone know I was leaving except for you. lol. Randy was texting me in my stand too. After being under dressed and in the woods for 12 hrs in the cold and rain and trmpled on by your crew... I had one thing on my mind. A heater! And you calling me a sell out. I have been 4 times and haven't seen anyone from yalls crew. jj. I am in the same boat as Undertaker, Hard to get away with a 3 week old baby. Im sure I'll see you up there again. I will be there a few times through dec and jan but just about every weekend in feb.
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B&D
For public land take everything you know about hunting and trow it out. It is a different ball game there. It is not so much as first shot last shot or lethal shot. One of the main points of this story that everyone is missing is that the guy deliberately got within 40yds of 'DirtyHarry' and shot past him to hit a deer. To me that shows only one thing... Lack of courtesy and lack of sportsmanship.
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Question
I see alot of very small bucks people have killed on the reports, often in south Louisiana. It would seem that letting young bucks walk, we would have more decent mature deer in Louisiana, especially on public land. I do not hunt public land and am just curious if there is a reason people do not hesitate to shoot younger deer there?

note: This is is no way a pointing of the finger or accusation, just an honest inquiry.
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letting them walk
For it to work, all WMA hunters would have to be in agreement to let the small bucks walk. Unfortunately that will never happen. I shot a four point this weekend at Red River WMA. I could have let him walk but I know full well that the next hunter would have blasted him.
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agree
I agree, so why aren't there more specific and more strict antler regulations?
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Let'em walk
I think that only kids and people that have never taken a deer
should be the only ones allowed to take a spike or 4 point but that's just me. I have been hunting the land I have now for 3 years I don't shoot spikes or four points but the people that had it before me would shoot anything that was brown ! My son has never taken a buck before and I tell hin that if he sees horns take it but he says he wants a nice four or a six and I think that's fine, I let a bunch of small deer walk in the last three years and now we have some real nice bucks and it only took less than two years to see the results of let'n the lil ones walk! LET'EM GO AND WATCH'EM GROW.
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Legitimate
ahlangle, you have a legitimate question about antler restrictions, but the fact is that WMA's are not managed for trophies, but for every citizen to have an equal chance to shoot A deer. They are managed for meat and not horns.

And I'm not trying to stir the pot either, but I don't see anything wrong with that.
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To all
Good question and I like the other answer, of it being managed for meat. But another answer is that there are restrictions. One example is that Doe season (rifle) is only open for 3 days and Bucks for 12 (including week days). I have seen alot of huge deer pulled out of there. And my other thing is as long as it is open to public there will be killings of small deer. Alot of people have the mentality of putting meat in the freezer then trophey hunt... as do I. Some f us do not have the money to spend $700-$1000 to hunt a lease that is regulated like others. So as a previous comment said If you don't shoot it someone else will. I only deer hunt 1-2 times a year and it is always on public land. I am predominantly a hog hunter. I look for hog signs and hunt hogs, which is what we were doing that day and if a deer walks out on us it is just an added bonus. Keep in mind that I am not saying 'if it's brown its down' I don't beleive in that but if I have a chance to put meat in the freezer I will. And if you knew me you would have nothing to worry about I will never put a hurting on the deer population I have killed one deer in the past 5 years. Hope this helps
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chime in
I hunt in a high dollar club in avoyells parish for antler restriction. But I hunt WMA for meat. We are only allowed 1 doe per member in our club. I dont know about any of yall but a doe only last a few weeks around my house. We all use a WMA for that same thing. That is the chance to get to harvest deer. We all pay the same 15$ to hunt it. If you want altler restrictions go to Thistelwate, or join a club that has those restrictions that you are looking for. As far as no respect on WMAs I do apologise to Stalker because I was hunting with a group of guys that passed him this weekend. But I was not one of them that set up by him..Some people think because they hunt that spot every year it belongs to them.. I am sorry fellas but that is wrong..
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Yup
Takes a public land hunter to know how a public land hunter feels. No need to appologize Randy. You did nothing. We knew that it would be a high traffic area which is why we set up in the area. Like my buddy 'DirtyHarry' told me. On some public land areas (our honey holes) on popular days you can't hunt the signs, you have to hunt by using the other hunter. I could have went other more remote places but I was thinking of natural funnel points when the shooting starts. Problem is noone was shooting and I didn't think about it being a natural funnel point for people lol. LOOKING FORWARD TO FEBRUARY!!!
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Guys, this report is not a once in a million post. Most hunters have heard or had this happen themselves. Everyones opinions are heard. In fact that's the reason the post was generated. To the guy who said that the deer should have gone to the guy who shot the deer first....I gave up the deer mainly because of that void. Who would want to haul a deer out knowing that the other hole was of a different caliber? With that being said I had no way to know if that was the same deer the other fellow shot. The let them grow mentality is best most of the time. On management land most guys throw the thought over their shoulder. I have been privileged to hunt on a private tract my whole life. A deer that I would shoot as a trophy on that piece of property would walk in a managed club. Point being everyone has their own standard. When you mix hunters on a public land this is what you get. Any input is always good so, let's hear it guys! Thanks
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No need to apologize Randy that sort of thing happens. I actually wanted those guys walking through there after I heard only a handfull of shots.
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hmm...
Where I hunt, whoever puts the first hole in it gets it, but it's much more civil in a family club than public land. To me, the guy who just showed up shouldn't get it, regardless of if he hit it first or not. You don't set up 40 yards away from somebody who was already there.
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Thanks
Preach on DownShift. That is the #1 ruling in my book, but I do commend my buddy on how he treated the situation... I can tell you he was mad, but he handled it well.
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hmm...
Yea that's pretty much a loose-loose situation. Sounds to me like the guy's shot would have killed the deer, and normally that is without question his deer, but after setting up ontop of me, I'd have to be a pecker head about it.

To me, public land hunting isn't much different than fishing, if you get to 'your' spot, and somebody is already there, well sorry boss but you got to go somewhere else. That guy paid taxes on the land, too.

MAJOR compliments to your buddy for hitting a deer on the run with a revolver. I'm gonna try to pistol one to death before too long, but I'm still trying to get comfortable with hitting beer cans sitting still.
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Public land
I've only hunted public land once and dont plan on doing it again. I just dont trust all you gun toters that much, lol. I dont want to be the victim of someone's excitement. That said, I agree, it just seems like common sense that you don't setup right next to someone who was there before you. I like the fishing analogy, but honestly how many of us have been in Lake P when the bite is on and had other fishermen casting into our boats? I know I have. Some people just have no respect for their fellow man (or woman).
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@DownShift: We are going to Texas in 2 weeks and both of us will be toting our .454 casull revolvers... Nothing like pistol poping the pigs

@RedNeck: I dont trust them either. That particular day is always a popular one there so we decided to stay in the tree all day for added safety. On most weekends (outside of deer season) it is like a ghost town. Maybe 3-5 people and that is when I do most of my hunting.
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not your friends deer
sorry man, but first lethal shot gets the deer. a 30 30 through the neck is a lethal shot. that deer wasn't going far.

i have climbed the same tree every year on opening day of the thanks giving hunt for 8 years now. i have killed every time. i am sure that other guy has done about the same and that is why he wasn't moving. there are some old boys out there that have been climbing the same tree sense the 70's and have their names carved on the trees to prove it. they were hunting those same spots before it became public land.
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Dang I didn't know a guy could claim a tree. I must have missed that in the handbook.
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MY TREE!!!
I got a good idea, since I hog hunt the same spot every year, I will just go put up posted signs in a 300sq yard area. Sounds like a good plan to me. I think everyone should be able to post their own section of public land. HAHAHAHA @ boozdaddy. It is people that think like you that ruin our hunts. First person there gets the spot... Show a little bit of respect and move!
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Hunting
I've been hunting Red River WMA all my life. I used to have a 'spot'. I had killed 14 consecutive deer from the same tree. I would always get there super early and wave off anyone who approached. Like most normal people, they would move on when they saw my light. One particular year, a guy just kept coming and coming and walked right under my tree, then stopped and walked to my right. About 25yds away, he started unpacking his climbing stand. Keep in mind that it is still dark. I'm just sitting there with my light on his face trying to burn a hole into his eyeballs. Then we start arguing. I told him I had been hunting here for a long time and could he not see my freaking flash light? His only response was......I'm sorry. I'm telling you, he was so close, I could see his orange vest in the dark. Needless to say, after good daylight I'm looking at this guy moving around in his treestand, coughing, etc. But I decide I will become part of the tree and not leave until after he gets down. I'm facing to the north, he's facing to the south. I then hear a branch break and look behind me. It's a nice doe walking towards me. I can't believe he doesn't see her. I turn around and position myself for the shot. I look at him and he's looking everywhere but on the ground. I actually tried to see if I could shoot this deer while looking at him at the same time. I just knew he would crap in his pants when I fired. Well, I shot the deer, dragged it to my stand and got back up in the tree. That's when i asked him 'how you like that?'. Of course, I used a fair amount of profanity with that question. He then climbed down and left the area. I laugh everytime I think about that story.
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The point of your story is that you tried to burn a hole in him with the flash light... as did DirtyHarry. His neighbor 2 trees over didnt move either. The when he got down he said 'I could see your light through there'.... Like he had to look for it. The guy could have almost reached over and turned it off for him lol. I find it funny that some people (boozdaddy) think that you can claim an area because you hunt there every year or because your name is carved in the tree. If you get there first it is your area, unless someone doesnt respect that and purches up next to you. We knew that it happens on public land. I have been fortunate enough that it hasn't happened to me. Good story and glad to hear that you killed during your time of misfortune. Keep droping them Rincon and Happy Hunting!
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Boozdaddy you got to be on the booze to walk up on a fellow in the woods with a loaded gun and unpack right in front of him. Is the tree with your name on it worth your life? There are some people out there who don't put up with any from anyone. I think I would take my chances on a new tree.
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get over it
Both shot or kill shots any hunter knows you shoot a deer in the neck he will fall in his tracks so if the other guy shot first and in the neck it sounds to me like your friend shot a deer that was not running his story sound fishy. And if the guy shoots next to him the deer doent look wounded it would have taken that deer about 3sec to get out of veiw so way would he shoot a deer that was shot just a sec ago I think that is poor sportsmanship. And it is puplic land thay both have right to hunt their
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Drabbit- Are you Joking? A neck shot is not a kill shot unless it is well placed. There are two areas to hit in the neck the spine or the esophagus, and everywhere else is non lethal. Really... think about it! There is nothing there unless you hit spine (paralysis) or esaphagus (asphyxiation). Neck shots can drop the deer on the spot, but that narrow zone of the spinal cord and major blood vessels, surrounded by non-vital tissue, also creates an opportunity for things to go wrong if the deer moves. So in other words if it doesn't drop in its tracks, your neck shot will not work. Think before you type.
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Nobody was complaining about a thing bro. This was not posted to point fingers. It wasn't even a post bragging about the deer. Yes a first with my pistol but, not the last. I started using the sportsman again to have other sportsmen to talk to during the week while I'm at work thinking about hunting. After this I think I'll delete my profile. On the bright side I know where to go when I need to talk to a fine group of men who know everything.
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Dirtyharry I don't think you did anything wrong. If you was in that spot first the other fruit cake should have walked on down, I wouldn't take the chance of ruining a hunt by hunting
that close to someone even if I was born under that tree!!!! As far as the deer if someone shot close to me and I saw the deer still running I would shoot it in a heart beat . It doesn't matter who shot first you both hit the deer and I would have made him split the meat . No matter how you look at it it was very poor sportsmanship on the other guys part for geting right next to you and not making you take half the meat . It gos to show you that not all men that hunt act like men! Heck of a shot with the pistol by the way, hope your next hunt will have a little less drama!!! Don't let'em get under your skin.
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SOS just another year!!
This is why i started hunting on lease land. People just getting too close, disregaurding of respect of fellow hunters. I was hunting red river a while back when it was flooded bad. Everybody was hunting high ground, i was kidd, 17 @ the time. Got in early way before dark, sitting there waving the old flashlight trick, felt like i was working at the airport. people didn't heed the warning and just started sitting 40 yards away, 2 of them. daylight comes and this poor doe comes trotting in or towards me and the bushes all open up, bullets where flying everywhere, i saw the deer get hit 3x's before i took cover. And that my friends is how the fight started. at first it was like it was a tug of war, the deer would get drugged this away and then that away, then the shouting started, I was here first!!! I left because i needed to go check my pants from the all the close shooting, kinda scary having big guns going off. So i mainly hunt on leases, I love deer hunting but I'm don't want to die doing it. But nice shot with the pistol, thinking about doing that myself.
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Sounds funny
Sounds kinda hypocritical that the first guy to that spot should get the spot, but the second guy to shoot at the same deer should get the deer.

I can't get over the way some people act these days. Like the article that was on the front page a while back. A guy takes his friend hunting because his friend has been unlucky lately(a true act of sportsmanship). A monster deer shows up, the guy takes the gun out of his friends hands and shoots this monster buck.(butt head)

Or the guy that wants a little space because he saw a nice deer and wants a better chance at killing it. Instead everybody suggest crowding his stand and shooting that deer out of spite.

I'm just glad I hunt with family and friends. We're sportsman, lets start acting like it.
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Switzer- Take your time... read carefully, then type. In all actuality the first shot should get the deer, but he did not kill the deer. If he would have droped the deer with his shot. YES! His deer, but why should it be his deer if he did not kill it.

“The recipe for perpetual ignorance is: Be satisfied with your opinions and content with your knowledge.” Elbert Hubbard
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Too Close
If they guy would not have set up w/in 40yrds of you, you wouldn't have had to figure out whose deer it was. That's the real concern here in my opinion. If you're walking through the woods to setup and you see a flashlight, you need to figure out another place to hunt. And boozdaddy your attitude of 'I've hunted here in the past so it's mine' is a real concern. You should have woken up earlier! You ARE the problem.
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My mistake
Sorry, I was never taught the 5 second rule. If the deer doesn't fall within 5 seconds its fair game for the next guy.
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THAT does it ! ! !
All these pulbic hunt area issues have finally driven me to the conclusion that if I EVER hunt WMA's, I am going to resort to placing light reflecting flagging with yellow flashing warning lights around MY TREE area..... Dun deal ! LOL..

R
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hmm...
Allison, I would suggest shooting flares and blowing air horns also. Just a lil insurance incase one of those blind guys toting a bazillion-06 doesn't see you.
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Hahahahaha. Decided this morning that I was going to stay off of this post and let it die because I am tired of other peoples ignorance but I just wanted to tell ya'll (Downshift & allison) ... THAT IS FUNNY! bazillion 0-6, sounds like the story told by Jerry Clower when he took his grandson hunting!
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ignorance
i tried to ignore it also but it wont go away you are right stalker this whole post is filled with ignorance, starting with the guy who set up on top of another hunter, and then your buddy shooting a deer that someone else just shot, they are both lucky they made it out of the woods, you never know who you are dealing with out there, and who is to say what when there are no witnesses, no one was right in that situation, i could say some other things also but would probably get me banded from the website
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Wait what?
So your calling me dumb for shooting a deer? Do you go hunting just to watch them frolic around? Ok say for example a person spends half the night packing. Then spends close to $100 round trip. Get up a tree and have some geezer set up behind you. Hear a shot remember ( I'm on the ground with no vantage point). Hear deer running through the woods. Finally catch a glimpse of it just as it turns on the afterburner and your telling me you wouldn't shoot it just because you heard some guy shoot? That has to be the most ignorant post yet. So I've heard everyones post and they are all great. Just don't point your fingers at me for shooting a deer and then giving the deer to the other guy. Stalker I'm finished following up on this post.
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yep
you guys need to get your story straight or something you say you didn't know that a guy 40yards from you shot a deer 15 yards from you, yep that is pretty dumb, 'So their story is... The deer came from behind my friend who was on the ground packing up in disgust over the hunter who diliberately sat 40yds from him because 'that is where he sits every year'. Anyways the guy shot a 3 point 15 yards from my buddy, then my buddy turns and shoots the deer too.'
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Tard
Dirty Harry, we must be dealing with super man. He must be able to fly down the tree and pack up his climbing stand, feild bag, and guns all in a half second while watching the area for animals. Tuffhuntin did you read the comment that said the other guy had to whistle to slow the deer down or are you just not at that reading level yet?

It is possible for you not to know everything!

Maybe you are better at pictures!!! Here you go
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ok
i will change my story for each time someone questions what i said, hey genius read your post, i wish i was as smart as you two, like i said before both of the guys were wrong, done_________
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Is this all you have to do? Good lord I'm just about fed up with this whole dang thing. Look I never said I didn't see the dude. I never saw the shot. Honestly why do you even give a flying crap? It's not like this was some ' big deal' deer. I didn't regret any part of that hunt. I just wish you could have been there to see it all because I'm not going to waste all my time talking about some baby deer story. I'm a nice guy just don't call me a liar or a thief
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cmon man
Whats the fun in that! Just a few guys disagreeing and you wont to put an end too it. Theres no profanity, threating, name calling, just grown men discussing their differents. This website have went to garbage since the Jeremy Waltrip and folks couldn't just discuss a little differents. bunch sissy running this site now i tell ya. Why dontcha just change the website to WWW.louisianasportswoman.com IMHO Ive read this post everyday to see whats been said. And i agree last shot halls it out. But if it was me i been the man and said. 'hey put the guns down and lets get to throwing some hands and the one that can walk out gets it' Guess its a good thing i hunt private land huh.
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3 pt ha ha
i would of been more than happy to let the other guy 1st shooter take that deer let him waste a tag on it & drag it out the season has just started
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