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Do Shops Screen Archery Techs ?

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Yesterday (1/25/11) I went into an archery shop in Pearl River,LA . I chose a $139.00 QAD rest, installed. The so called tech installed it. He told me the rest ran out of adjustment to the left, and that I would have to move my sight gang to the right. I looked down the arrow and it had a severe angle to the right, through the sight window. This guy REALLY was going to let me walk out of the shop like that. Good thing I am not that stupid. I made him take it off. I left. Later, I investigated it. 2 other shops, AND the QAD tech support line ALL said the box contained an extension bracket just for that situation.

I was watching this guy too. He started allen screws with the big fold-up allen wrench set engaged, which caused him to wallow the screws like an off balance top. I just knew he was going to cross thread something.

Do these shop owners screen these so called bow mechanics ? Are they just locals that hang around long enough that the owners just let them go at it without any official training ? I tell you one thing. I will NEVER let that shop touch my stuff again. I will still buy shelf items, because the owner is a stand-up military veteran, but the mechanic HAS TO GO- Period.
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Guys, I'm locking this thread so we can all move on. There's been plenty of time to voice opinions, and it's turning into a fight. So let's go ahead and move on. Thanks.
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I completely understand your point and appreciate the notice so that I can correct it. The guy that tried to install your rest is new and hasn't experienced a situation where the spacer was needed. On most other instances, he can handle the job. I apologize. Since he's new, he doesn't have the floor by himself often, and I'll definitely go over this with him. I can assure you that I and my other very experienced tech will spend some time on this situation with him and ensure it won't happen again. I'm sorry you had a bad experience, I know it's not the norm for my shop.
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Lamplighter, I can assure you that Brad has one of the finest archery shops in Louisiana. I as a previous archery shop owner can speak up, it is hard to find good help. This guy made a mistake, and it's bad that it happend to your bow but I am sure that brad will correct the problem. If you think brads shop is bad come to marksville la and visit our local archery shop you will run back and begg Louisiana outdoors to work on your bow. I am sorry that you had a bad experince at this shop but dont let one bad apple let you never eat an apple again..
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From personal experience La. Outdoors is the best. Brad and his staff have been more than helpful. I bought my son a bow and a rifle from Brad and the service was top notch. And with that rifle my son shot a monster 8pt Brad is mounting for us.

Now are these guys perfect? Well, who is?
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From personal experience, find you ONE man/woman to help you with your bow, pay them well, let them get to know your form and your hunting style, and stick with them.

IT IS HARD. HARD. HARD. to find a GOOD, truly GOOD BOW technician. He/she has to be schooled in physics(energy), geometry, mechanics, body form, and much more.

And oh yeah, regarding Brad Ripp, I can relate to his frustration. It appears he is trying to run a world class operation, but we all know you/he/us cannot always control what people work for us do.

Thats just my .02.
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I still like to go by and get supplies,but I do have a bow mechanic that is very good. I wanted the camo QAD rather than a black one and the shop with the mech-in-training had a camo model, so I thought he could put it on. I'll definitely stick with my guy for sure, but I'm sure the pearl river guys are good with Matthews. I have a Bowtech.
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   bco155inf
i have been to bow shops all over ms and la i hunt in jackson ms and la outdorrs is the best i have ever been too. they have a great staff and an expert taxedermist. dont let one bad experiance mess up ur view of there shop.they can fix anything and can get anything u need in a short time.there is only one bow shop i will ever deal with and that is la outdoors.its hard to train a new guy fast and its understandable mistake may happen but dont let it give u a sour taste.
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I disagree. The shop I use and should have went to (again I wanted the camo model) has been around long enough to know all the tricks. You can't just turn loose some red necks that hang around the shop. You don't start allen screws with the big fold up wrench set in your hand. That guy was not old enough to have lived enough life to get experience. You need people who have been around. People who have backgrounds such as transmission mechanics, where precision and aluminum threads exist ; people who have cross threaded already and learned. Machinst apprentices. The best in the state ? I seriously doubt that. Your feelings and bias are effecting your statements. Business is business. You must dismiss your feelings. You must separate business from personal. Like turning on a light switch, when you turn it on , business is running. The responsible person may be the nicest person in the world; would peel off his shirt and give it to you if you liked it, but you must not let that enter in the business . You and the business may be at odds, have a service problem, etc., but at the end of the day when the switch is turned off, you and him laugh and go have a beer. It has to be this way. I run a business. I have Patrica Core looking for taxes, 1099's due, CPA wanting my papers, but I absolutely won't put a kid in my work field so I can do this. I schedule work around it and do it at night and weekends.

You have to separate business. I know the owner of the shop ( notice I have yet to name the shop) is the nicest do anything guy.
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   bco155inf
yes but it is hard to find an old epericanced tech to work these days if u know anyone off hand that is just sitting at home and has the free time and the experiance to work as a tech all week i would like to meet him. i have been to 3 other shops and have purchased items and have been told this is what u need and this is the best and one item actually went to fell apart when i was shooting one day and the other was installed wrong. there is one i went to in jackson that was very good but did not have enough time to work on my bow and have it back to me in a day or so. sorry u had a bad experiance but i know the guys there and they to great work. the guy u talking about is like all of use he is learning.nobody becomes an expert in days it takes years and is earned.i didnt learn to kill deer in days or how to prefor in combat it takes time like all things. i hope that u give them another chance and not let this ruin ur feeling.
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I just wanted to iterate the point that the reason I have a new guy in training is that I want to better take care of my customers during the busy season. It gets BUSY in here, and I need more staff so that my customers don't have to wait. AS far as 'life experience' that you mentioned, my guy was in the Marine Corps for four years, was wounded by shrap metal from a suicide bomber, while three of his buddies lost their life directly behind him. It's my small sacrifice to train this guy and accept the ups and downs of that process. I can assure you, my staff is selected with much thought.
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   Rville
I was the lead archery technican for two years at a well known archery shop. I have a college degree, and had 23 years experience. The bottom line is pay. How many people can support a family on $13.50 an hour. That's for the lead, helpers make $9.50 an hour. What kind of help can you get for that kind of money. Of course, as soon as I let it be known I was job hunting, I got a raise and the promise of great things to come. Was lied to one too many times so I quit for a job that can support my family. Bottom line is, no money, no good help. Find the shop who pays the most, you'll find the best techs. Just the wat I see it.
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I am no longer living in Louisiana but I will tell you all a couple things. There are only 2 people we will let set up a bow of ours. One of them is Brad Ripp and the other here in my home state of Michigan. I visited the shop regularly down there while living there and Louisiana Outdoors set up my current bow with perfection! I will say this for everyone, 'At some point while working I and you have made a mistake.' Let us hope this mistake was learned from and it won't happen again. That is just business. I am sure if you took your set up back to Brad he would take extremely good care of you like he has us.

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OK, let this thread die. I will likely drift in there for shelf items and what not. I have full faith in a different shop that has been around a long time and that is who will work on my bow. In fact, my new QAD pro rest came in Friday. Tomorrow, (actually today, it's after midnight) I will have it properly installed. Lesson learned. Regarding the combat mentioned, mine was closer to home where it hit home more. 3am the New Orleans East gansters firing the AK 47 at me on Chef Hwy. Refused to pull over when blue lights engaged. Chased them into the vietnamese neighborhood. They bailed out. I chased. Other encounters between 12m and 6 am N.O. east gansters stripping cars, dumping bodies, etc. Yep, I can relate to the dedication & danger. I still prefer to let experienced people fix my bow.

Tagged Out- for the record, I don't see hunting as an ESPN sport. Hunting is just a rural pastime that folks do when not at a true job. I do not recognize any such thing as pros or celebrities, other than these folks seem unemployed. That is what ruined bass fishing. I only acknowledge this because you portrayed 'we only let ...' as a commercial entity. Remember the ol school true Louisiana Conservationist.
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You exhibit juvenile behavior. Everything you need to prove yourself wrong is right here.

As far as your shop experience, consider this :
I know people who eat at a particular brew pub and swear the seafood is so good- the best ever. These particular individuals have never ventured away from the piney woods. I ate there and I think the seafood sucks. Oysters overcooked on the outside and raw inside.

The point is- these subjects have never experienced better seafood, so they honestly don't know any better, like you're shop experience.
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You can debate without being MEAN. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Unruly post or comments will be pulled.
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I try to leave this thread die. I have yet to name any particular shop. Conclusions were drawn and I just let em run with it.

I know the particular shop I had trouble with probably does turn out good work, just not that particular mechanic. And they are not the only good shop in town. I still will get shelf items from time to time.
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   PaleRider
I know you said you wanted the thread to die but you were the one who put it on here instead of going to the shop in the first place and seeing if they could correct their mistake. What makes any shop, business, or product good is not whether or not they mistakes, but how they deal with them.

I don't work there and have never even been there but there aren't too many bow shops in Pearl River and if I was the owner I would be a little unnerved that someone just decided to start complaining on the internet instead of telling me he had a problem. Everyone has to start somewhere and what ever job you do I'm sure you yourself have made a mistake at it before. Age has nothing to do with how well someone does a job, trust me. I did plumbing work for six months and the other helper was an 'older' fellow that I had to constantly correct that had been doing the same work for years.
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Sorry but I am not the laid back type. No excuses. I am strict. And as long as posters keep coming back and stirring this up, I will respond back quick like white on rice. I don't play cap. We can carry this on for 2000+ pages. Or you can be mature and do your thing and I'll do mine. Simple as that. No chances. Rookie at the wheel alone no good. No second chances.
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   bco155inf
amen. we arent all gifted with knowing how do everything perfect as we learn!!!! its true y would u blast them on the net instead of talking to the owner first.so u wanting to cause a bunch of drama and bull.
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Because I can. Also, think about the poor sob that wouldn't have caught it. Remember, the kid deemed it as finished and was about to let me walk out. Think about the poor sob who would have walked out, OR how many DID walk out with mistakes.

As far as me & the involved shop, man that is a closed topic. The dude acknowledged days ago he should have never left a rookie alone, and that he wouldn't until fully trained. I'm sure I'll drop in that shop for shelf items again. It's YOU clowns that keep wanting to play ball. And Lord you must know I WILL entertain you to the cows come home. . We can get into deep philosopical thoughts on the subject for the next month if you choose.

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As far as the soldier thing, YOU should feel safer when you drive through the East because I was out there making it safer for YOUR butt. Been on the receiving end of the AK 47, a 243 rifle, and no telling how many thugs had the bead on me that I don't even know about. The shadows I backed out on at the end of Industrial PKwy. by the stolen car that was not there an hour ago. Oh yeah, be thankful right here at home where it effects you the most, as opposed to some foreign land that has little bearing . See, foot in mouth again.
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   bco155inf
i know ur perfect never messed up one day in ur life.it was a mistake a simple talk to the owner would have fixed it and prevented it from happening again.instead its better to try to make the shop look bad .this will be my last post on this issue.i will end it with the guy u bashing is a true man a solider who laid his life on the line so u could enjoy the freedom of bowhunting and all the freedoms our great nation has to offer and dosent deserve to be bashed on.
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Guys it's time to drop it and move on. If the bickering continues the post will be pulled or locked. Thanks!!
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