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Can anyone tell me if BP is paying recreational fishermen settlements for the lost fishing time when they shut us down in Delacroix and Lafitte, and if so who do you contact. Thanks in advance for any information.
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There are internet rumors running rampant that if you show up at 'name address' at 'this time and date' you will get up to $6000 if you have a valid boat registration and fishing license from 2010 are FAKE. GOOD GOD, WHY WOULD YOU BELIEVE SUCH STUFF!!!!! You get nothing, you lost nothing.
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   xman69
You know I just can’t believe what I am reading!!!! Wanting to get “PAID” because you could not partake in your recreational activity for a short period of time. We should all be thanking the good lord that we can all partake in our recreational activity at all and don’t forget that it takes many petroleum products to get us there. The same petroleum products that we the consumers “recreational fisherman for the not so smart ones” create demand for. This post defines hypocrisy! Wonder why Louisiana has the highest insurance rates in USA, because everybody wants to get PAID! I say don’t worry about getting paid just move on man, move on!
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   Gregory75
You can go to this site and fill out questionnaire and either email back to them or fax it to them!! This answers your question, but there is no info on the amount. I with you.... im gonna try to get all the money I can from whoever I can, uncle sam and our f-uped president seem to take what they can so why not some for the little folks!!!

Here's the site..... www.cantfish.net
you will see the questionnaire on the right side of the page.
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I received a report two days ago that a guy had absolutely been assured he would get paid just because he has three years of recreational licenses. I called the claims office, and was told that the criteria hasn't changed: There has to be an economic loss due to the oil spill.

As far as I can tell, my not being able to fish did not economically deprive me.
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Drew, I was going to reply very much in the same way you did, when I saw this post this morning...sorta upset me. I woulda posted below ------

Be careful there Bud , BP may wanna payback from you for them saving you gas money, saving you wear and tear on yer boat, saving you dollars in lost terminal tackle, room and board,,, etc.....

And for Gregory75----- everybody has their hands out huh? Mostly the ones who voted for the guy.
Ever wonder why the world as we know it, is as screwed up as it curently stands, to a large degree, due to people with attitudes such as yours.Greedy people with their 'everbody owes me' attitude and the lawsuit happy rest of them, have ME and other honest, hardworking people paying for their actions ! We unwillingly have to assume you as a dependant in one aspect.

Talk about not being able to see beyond your nose...Have you ever heard that, 'In the land of the Blind, the One Eyed Man is King' ? ?

Open your eyes dude! Or better yet, go make a false claim against BP.....it's too easily traced,,, kinda real easy because ya done said publicly of your intentions ? ? ? Ever wonder who really is behind some of these user names ? ? Hummmmm....... R
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   jacomo
Reference my post on 'poor pics' thread about what America has become.
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i bought a boat after the spill WHY because i knew in my heart that there would ALLWAYS be fishin in the GREAT STATE we live in i have fished all my life off land or with friends i agree with the non handout i dont need the gov. to help me people you welfare people make me sick move up north
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   motorboat
If there is one scintilla of a hint that BP is paying recreational claims, I am all in. My summer was miserable and I endured plenty of mental anguish by not being able to get to my camp and run ethanol through my outboard.

Don't listen to Drew-B--he works for insurance companies! Also, do not believe that your claim is frivolous because someone on this board says so.

If you will take the time to look at the multi-district litigation 'Direct Filing claim form', you will see that there are boxes that can be checked for making a claim for recreational fishing. Why would the Eastern District of Louisiana approve such a form if they thought recreational claims to be invalid?

http://www.laed.uscourts.gov/OilSpill/Forms/Direct%20Filing%20Short%20Form.pdf
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Don't let them scare you

If there is one scintilla of a hint that BP is paying recreational claims, I am all in. My summer was miserable and I endured plenty of mental anguish by not being able to get to my camp and run ethanol through my outboard.

Don't listen to Drew-B--he works for insurance companies! Also, do not believe that your claim is frivolous because someone on this board says so.

If you will take the time to look at the multi-district litigation 'Direct Filing claim form', you will see that there are boxes that can be checked for making a claim for recreational fishing. Why would the Eastern District of Louisiana approve such a form if they thought recreational claims to be invalid?

http://www.laed.uscourts.gov/OilSpill/Forms/Direct%20Filing%20Short%20Form.pdf

dude, you can sue anyone, anytime for anything. It is up to a trial judge or jury to rule if a claim is valid, and award damages.
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'Mr. Feinberg, I saved at least $12,000.00 last summer not fishing offshore. I would like to make a claim for not being able to fish.' Really guys come one. Take the lost, it is over with. Move on and gear up for this year. A couple years back we didn't fish because the blue water was 200 miles out. Who do I sue for that? NO ONE!!!!!! The guys who want the money probably only fish once or twice anyways. Congrats to those who sucked it up and moved one.
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   motorboat
'dude, you can sue anyone, anytime for anything. It is up to a trial judge or jury to rule if a claim is valid, and award damages.'

Wow. Thanks for this blast of wisdom but you fail to understand the system. Insurance companies will often offer to settle when there is even a slight possibility of exposure. If you were BP, wouldn't you rather pay a few recreational fishermen that joined the MDL $6000/each to go away? The alternative is to have a trial on damages for each one and risk a larger damage award plus pay high priced big firm lawyer fees. I could write posts for days about this, 'dude', but you'd rather spout off second hand legal advice you gained when a lawyer didn't want to take your crappy case.
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   jacomo
You are missing the point completely. I try my best to avoid people like you wherever i go. i might bump into you and catch a case. You know you are too far gone when you can't even see the wrong in suing someone for something so petty. It's not about whether or not the law will allow you to sue, it's about right and wrong.
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Thank you Jacomo. I showed this thread to a lawyer friend of mine who represents Ins. companies against lawsuits. He wet his pants laughing at these idiots who think they should be paid for this.
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   motorboat
Ask your friend how he evaluates cases when his clients get sued. I bet he often recommends offering a nominal amount when liability could swing either way.

Regardless, if it is about right and wrong, what does it say when we let BP get away with the wrong they did? BP wants you to believe that making a claim against them is wrong. You have just fallen for it.

Who is more right? You for sitting back and allowing BP to take away your freedom to fish in your area or the person who files a claim and makes BP pay for their negligent activities? I'd say the person that stood up to BP, but you'd say the person who just bent over and takes it while BP laughed.
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   motorboat
You said you avoid people like me. That's my point. Because you know there are people who will file a claim, your behavior changed. You are more careful.

Maybe if enough people stand up to BP, they will avoid their negligent behavior because enough people taught them a lesson.
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Funny how people will try to justify their actions. Only because they want something for nothing. Since when is it your responsibility to punish people for their negligence? This will never go to court in individual cases. With the number of 'give me' people out there, just like you, it will be a class action. Your only going to make a team of chicken hawk lawyers rich.

If it is just a principle thing, then donate the money you get, if any, to a regulatory organization that fights negligence in the industry. I'm betting that won't happen.
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In 1986 I was hit on a motorcycle by a motorist who made an illegal left turn into me. I suffered 12 broken bones in my left foot, 47 stitches in my left knee, 4 broken ribs and 6 months out of work.I got $50k after the lawyers got theirs. Quit your crying shiat about BP and go back to work and fishing.
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When I heard of the funds set aside by BP for the people that physically lost revenue/jobs due to the spill,,,,one of my first thoughts was questioning how many people were gonna be lined up at BP's door with open hands and sob stories,,, you know,, the same type of people who made false claims against FEMA in the aftermath of Katrina,,, you know, the ones who had zero losses and absolutely no personal impact from the storm. The ones who basically stole money away from the ones who needed it the most,,,, those people that were really affected.

I was glad to see at least a few get caught and punished for false claims/theft/embezzlement. They got what they deserved in my opinion,,, I wish more were caught and charged.

Here once more, I would hope that people could understand that the folks who lost their jobs and income could me partially made whole by legitimate legal claims and payments from BP.

But yet, once more , some of our Louisianans are lining up with the sob stories and false claims , once again taking money away from the people who rightfully deserve that money.

As a recreational fisherman making a claim,,, what were you really denied ? ? a couple months of fishing perhaps,,, are you also going to sue for mental anguish ? ? How about filing a claim against them for your lack of fortitude, your lack of a conscious, lack of your ability to suck it up and go on about your way???

Isn't the fishing better than it has been in the past several years ? Momma Nature maybe needed a break from so much fishing pressure to restock a bit ?
R
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   motorboat
It IS my job to punish negligent people and their insurers. It also should be the job of our society to make society safer. If you are not willing to take that responsibility, then what does that say about you?

Oh, and I do donate my money to organizations that are supposed to cut down on negligence--They are called the Federal government, OSHA and other myriad bureaucracies.

Allison--mother nature does not need a break from me--they need a break from commercial fishing and assault from environmental industrial action.
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   red-dog
So...If you hire me to come mow your yard, and I sling a rock across the road and kill your neighbors chicken, then YOU are liable for him having to keep his chickens inside whenever mowing is done? After all, he wont get any eggs on those days? Besides,,,You told me exactly HOW I had to mow the yard.
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   motorboat
I would agree with you except I don't see HOW the fact that I told YOU how to mow has any relevance to this discussion except that I am responsible for employees under my direction. I am responsible for my actions/my employee's actions that cause a loss to my neighbor, including his lost egg production, the dead chicken, the chicken poop on his carpet, etc.
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   pool do
Motor boat thank you for representing everything that is wrong with trial lawyers and the gimmie what i think i deserve mindset.

If you support recreational fishing claims against BP then your only job is to make money however you can.

Why don't you take up a real cause and sue BP and other oil companies for cutting the marsh to pieces and being a primary cause for costal erosion. Maybe we could use that money to rebuild our coast so that we could all benefit. Instead of just a few jokers and their lawyers.
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Its very humorous to read the pros & cons why rec fishermen should be able to file a BP claim. I've followed this thread for days and there are some idiots out there for sure. I'm a weekend fisherman and I lost fishing time because of closed water last summer. Lawsuit against BP? What a joke to think that you are entitled to anything. Don't you have a real full time job? Fishing is done in your leisure time on your days off from your regular job correct? Hold out your hands & cry 'wolf' all you want. The money needs to be distributed to the people who can prove their losses and are in a business which the oil spill had a direct effect. Not you clowns that believe you entitled to a handout because you could not go fishing. Boo Hoo. Now let me get back to work.
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   Samarai
Arguing along the same line as Drew's last comment, what if you have a new boat with payments and live near the closed areas. So basically you can stay home and continue to make payments on a boat you can't use as some has suggested, or you can tow it to open areas which dramatically has increased your overall expenses for a trip. Not saying whether you are due compensation or not, but then do you have a legitimate claim?
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   motorboat
You have no idea the time and money I commit to organizations to help the coast. It is more than I would care to divulge to my ole lady.

Samurai:

I would say that if you have a loss attributable to the fault of another, then you have a legitimate claim.

Bottomfeeder:

There are judicially recognized damages in this state for loss of enjoyment of life, mental anguish, loss of consortium, etc. A loss is a loss and everything has a value.
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   motorboat
Knows what he is talking about. I think he went to that school where the books have no pictures.
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   pool do
Did the oil prevent you from using your camp? No the oil prevented you from fishing in the waters around your camp.

Hurricane ike killed all the grass in my marsh, which prevented me from killing ducks and caused me to waste my lease fee and all my expenses related to duck hunting that year. i also lost the enjoyment found in the hunt due to the frustration of the bad season.

Should i be able to sue all of the oil companies that contributed to the destruction of the marsh that allowed the tidal surge to reach my lease which in turn ruined my hunting season?
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If money is the prescribed medicine for 'mental anguish', than maybe you should be required to see a psychiatrist with the settlement money.

Fact is all you want is the money and your trying to justify getting it. To paint yourself as Titan, holding up the pillars of society, is hillarious. Truth is the pillars are honesty, and your eroding the foundation beneath them. From the looks of the other comments on here, society is crashing down on you.
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   motorboat
What are you doing to hold up the pillars? Defending bp? That's been real successful for us. If bp had sent every registered boat owner in la a check, you'd send yours back?

The sportsman reports forum demographic is probably not representative of our society.

'Truth is the pillars are honesty, and your eroding the foundation beneath them.' Catchy and smart but please learn the proper use of 'your' versus 'you're'.
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   red-dog
You make a valid point to some extent with the Mcdonalds thing although I don't know all the details of that incident. I figure it like this,,I'm pretty sure that Mcdonalds did not TELL all of their stores to sell the coffee at 200 deg or whatever it was, they assumed they would use 'Common Sense'. Anyway, when you hire 'someone' who is in the business of cutting grass or the like, then the responsible owner of the grass company should inspect the property before he starts mowing. Thus when the rock flew out and impacted the chickens cranium, the responsible party is the one driving the mower.(insert common sense) Unless,,,the mower can PROVE that the yard owner planted the rocks in his path. Anyway,,this is the direction we have been going for a while with the burgular that the homeowner shoots but dosn't kill coming back to sue the homeowner and the mother who is busy NOT paying attention to her kid that ran over into YOUR yard and fell off of your porch that is now taking you to court even though every one knows she is a crack head. It just makes you want to refuse to let anyone or their kids come to your property for fear of SOMETHING happening.
In the end ,,,everyone's entitled to their own opinion but sometimes it just sucks!!
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recreational fisherman, i guess not!!! not a lawyer, but have common sense, i guess not!!! WHY, do they deserve it??????? ain't no way!!!!!!
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Thats all you got out of my post? a grammer mistake. I guess when you can't defend your opinion you try to discredit your opponent. Since I'm an idiot and don't use 'da propa gramma', lets dumb it back down to lawnmowers, chickens, and kids. Yes, if you harm a chicken or a kid with a rock thrown from your lawnmower, you are responsible. If a rock flys from your lawnmower and chips the paint on the kids swingset, you are not responsible for lost swinging time while the swingset gets repainted.

To everyone else reading this, I am absolutely sorry for having to use such a idiotic analogy, but this is essentially what these guys are asking for. If you feel you have wasted your recreational time by reading this, I apologize, please don't sue me.
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I may sue you now for confusing me and my hard-earned Terrebonne Parish public skool education.

Its all ethics, folks

Some feel it is okay to grab a buck from anyone, any how, for any reason.

BP sends me a check and a charity will get it.

If I didn't earn it or win it legally (gotta win dat PowerBall™) I don't want it, plain and simple.
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   motorboat
If switz puts his hand out, he may just get a baby turtle! (see his avatar).

All BS aside, I could argue on this all day with you guys, but the pillars of society are not eroding because a few people who feel they sustained a loss are making a claim. The judicial system and the GCCF will weed them all out one way or another, whether by payment or dismissal of the recreational suits. Some feel it is OK to make a claim, others think it isn't but please don't try to impose your morality on them.

Unfortunately for those who wish to pursue a claim, those moral crusaders (including many on this board) are playing right into BP's hands. They are doing exactly what BP wants them to do. Why would BP have to bolster Feinberg when it has minions doing so in the public forum?

I think everyone should take a step back and see just who they support/affect when they post on this board. Are you crusading for the people or are you crusading for a billion $$ institution that could give a flip about the people? After all, how many final payments has BP issued? They are trying to get out of paying as many people as possible. This is how insurance companies operate. Please wake up!
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   jacomo
I could have sworn this thread went away. The logic is unbelievable. I changed my actions by avoiding self proclaimed victims. You are clueless my friend. I could go on all day about how BP wrote checks to those people whom they felt suffered monetary damages and how you still pump gas in your boat/car yet complain that the oil companies are stripping you of your rights, but the ignorance is too thick to penetrate.
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   trying
I worked for BP back in the 90's. They was one of the most unsafe companys I have ever worked for. They cause the death of 11 men on that rig. Its not that I want people to get something for nothing just teach the oil companys that there is a price to pay for cutting corners!
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   motorboat
What is ignorant about anything I have posted? Just because you choose to see only one side of the equation, you call me ignorant (and say its thick too)?

You tell me, Mr. Enlightened, how many final claims has BP paid? They've processed 53%. I've processed 53% of my breakfast, but have not paid it out to the porcelain god!

How many people will miss out on recovering on a legit claim because BP failed to settle before the prescription date? Please go look at the GCCF website and tell me if it advises that 4/20 is the prescription date for joining the lawsuit. Sure looks to me like BP is keeping the people informed. In fact, they are just now publishing the criteria they are seeking to settle claims less than a month before prescription.

Sure I buy gas--there is not a real viable alternative out there. But I can still hold the oil companies accountable for their actions.
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Guess my public school edukation failed me again. To answer you're question, NO, you did not suffer an 'economic' loss. you loss no monetary value. If oil would have touched your property are damaged anything, yes you would half a valid complaint. Your camp is still worth the same amount today as it was the day before the spill, if not more.
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only when pertaining to your property. not public property. You did not lose the use of your camp, boat, bait, net, rods n reels.
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   jacomo
First, the post makes sense. Second, Let's not get it twisted here. I firmly believe that BP should be held responsible for the damages to the environment and also the damages to the economy. My argument is that suing BP because you couldn't fish a certain area for a short period of time is unjustifiable. Next you are going to sue the NFL if they have a lockout because you can't watch the Saints play on Sunday.
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   pool do
Hey Drew- i had to rebuild my camp after Rita and do a lot of work after IKE. So I lost more than just a duck lease due to past and present actions of oil companies.

YOu continue to miss all points that don't point toward you.

BP should be punished severely for their inactions. Yes, everyone in this state should reap some of the reward.

Our reward should be that the BP money goes to rebuild our marshland and not to line your pockets.
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I feel for you, your situation sucks, but you had full access to all of your property. If they closed the roads and you couldn't access your camp, then I think loss of use would apply.
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   jacomo
There are people who rent condos in the city where their favorite NFL team plays so it goes along the same lines of having a camp and not being able to use the beach. You can use the camp and they can use the condo but you can't enjoy the beach and they can't enjoy the game. Same thing. It's just an example. The point is that if people are compensated for not being able to fish or not being able to use their camp, it opens the door for all sorts of craziness. Every year the core of engineers lowers the water level in the basin where I cannot wakeboard or ski in my favorite spot. Does that mean I can sue?
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   motorboat
I'm growing tired of this thread, so I'll throw out another sucky analogy:

What if 'your' driving 'you're' car and you run over some nails that an identifiable construction truck dropped on the road? All of your tires are flattened, but you can still drive around town. It doesn't drive right, but it drives. Should the construction truck owner pay for your loss of use since you can drive, but not really drive the way you want? (you know, like, burning out at the green light or cornering at 50 mph)

I could use my camp, but not really for its intended use since it is a FISHING camp. I could get to it and sleep in it, but it wasn't the same since I couldn't fish DURING THE BEST TIME OF THE TROUT SEASON.

Or more simply said:

BP is to my camp as Construction truck is to my car.
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I was hoping you would pick up on those, i was laying it on pretty thick. How about 'or' vs 'are' and also 'half' vs 'have'.

As for your analogy it doesn't fit the situation. A more suitable analogy would be: the truck tears up the road with huge pot holes and destroys a bridge. Its your favorite scenic road for sunday drives. You DON'T hit a pot hole, or drive off the bridge. Your car still drives fine with no damages, but you have to take a detour and cannot use that specific road while it is closed for repairs. Yet YOU would still try to sue because sunday drives on that specific road were your sunday getaway.
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WRONG!!!! IF A TRUCK DROPS DEBRIS ON THE ROAD, HE IS LIABLE,I DON'T CARE HOW MANY SIGNS ARE ON HIS TRUCK 'NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR CRACKED WINDSHIELDS' If you can prove it came from his truck, he is screwed:

another analogy that makes no sense

I'm growing tired of this thread, so I'll throw out another sucky analogy:

What if 'your' driving 'you're' car and you run over some nails that an identifiable construction truck dropped on the road? All of your tires are flattened, but you can still drive around town. It doesn't drive right, but it drives. Should the construction truck owner pay for your loss of use since you can drive, but not really drive the way you want? (you know, like, burning out at the green light or cornering at 50 mph)

I could use my camp, but not really for its intended use since it is a FISHING camp. I could get to it and sleep in it, but it wasn't the same since I couldn't fish DURING THE BEST TIME OF THE TROUT SEASON.

Or more simply said:

BP is to my camp as Construction truck is to my car.
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   motorboat
No one is truly WRONG here.

I know he is liable for damages to my tires/windshield, but what about loss of use since I can't drive all crazy like I love to do? After all, my car is not the same and I can't use it the same way I could before.

It is not a great analogy, but it should get some here thinking...
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Man,, this here thread has dun turned 6 corners an' been around the block 3 times,,, an I'm kinda glad there's computer monitors between a few ov' us.....
We dun' been thru : internet rumors,,, Louisiana highest in insurance rates,,, handouts,,, hypocrisy,,, spiritual losses,,, one eyed man,,, litigations,,, lawsuits,,, damages,,, awards,,, negligent behavior,,, chicken hawk lawyers,,, motorcycle wreaks,,, rocks killin' chickens',,, lost egg productions,,, costal erosion,,, entitlements,,, luxurious grand isle camps,,, mental anguish,, some woman got her 'thing' burned at Mickey D's,,, books with no pictures,,, duck killin's,,, gimme-gimme-gimme's,,, anal olgy things ? yuk, that ain't rite,,, pillars falling down,,, grammer missteaks,,, grammer correctshuns,,, burglars and homeowners,,, poor Pedro fallin' off tha' roof,,, who the hell hired Pedro anyway?,,, skoolin' and edukayshun,,, baby turtles,,, NFL lockout,,,construction trucks,,, flat tires,,,, pot holes,,,, crack'd windshields,,,

Gezzz Louezze,, my ol' head is plum spinning round an' round so much my last ol' brain cell iz dizzy...

I agree there are many spins on this topic, lots of interesting points brought to the surface of which many may have not yet been fathomed by some, including myself. I guess there is meaning in one not having a closed mind. It's been a very colorful post, and this thread reflects the fact that we all can agree to disagree and at the end of the day, still be frenz.......

Anybody suing BP ?.........HA! I'm dun on this en'....... this here iz ya'lls sandbox, now play nice chilldrun, .... R
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...just to clarify point 6 LOL

if the debris (rock, nails) fall off the truck the operator of the truck is liable...

if the truck kicks up something that is already on the road (like a rock) the 'owner' of the road is liable (state, parish, etc)
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allison,
youre right why dont we kill this subject and get back to the 'INSHORE FISHING REPORTS'????????
How about it fellows???
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But why did the chicken cross the road? Because the pillars of the bridge were falling on a kid that had been hit by a rock that was thrown from a lawnmower while he was looking for some carpet to poop on.
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