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Can anyone idenify this snake. It has been coming onshore each morning from my pond with a fish.
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shiver, chill, whimper
Looks like a mocassin to me. But I can't tell what shap the head is.

Gives me the heebee jeebees, whatever it is.
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moc
definatly a moccasin, he is eating your fish and you haven't killed him yet, i once saw a moccasin with a 2-1/2 pound bass in his mouth
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Snake
Deffinately a moccasin... KIll him!!!
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Choot-um
Choot-um
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not a mocassin
its a water snake. I see them all the time around my place. Its almost colored like a copper head, but I can tell by the shape of the head its not a copperhead. Don't kill it. Its harmless.
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Snake
That is not a water snake. It is without a doubt a cottonmouth/water moccasin/stump tail or whatever else you want to call it.
The 'bands' on a water snake are different than the ones on this snake. The dead giveaway are the eyes on this snake and the 'stump' tail.
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moccasin
Dead givaway is the way it is swimming. All water snakes swim IN the water with just thier head up. A cotton mouth is the only one that swims ON TOP the water, entire body pretty much 'floats' with just the belly touching the water.
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Snake
Water snake, cottonmouth/moccasin are darker in color!!! And this snake does not have a stump tail!!!
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The Problem with Snake ID is....
They're not like birds. What I mean by that is, every member of a species is not necessarily going to look the same color-wise. I do agree with the sentiment that cottonmouth's tend to be darker, you can hardly make out a pattern on a cottonmouth, but some do actually show this pattern. The Louisiana race does not, but it could be an intergrade. Could also be a Broad-banded water snake, there are a few variations in that species, or, although very strange, it could be a Copperhead. The color is alittle off, but the water is really the throw-off on that one, Copperheads aren't generally found in water. Anyway, You could always google Louisiana Snakes and that will get you a link to the Louisiana Department of Wildlife & Fisheries page on snakes occurring in Louisiana, might help alittle more than people bickering about a stump tail being there or not.
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snake
Only a cotton mouth swims like this. A cotton mouth loses color and gets dark with age, google juvenile cotton mouths and you will see that the young ones are brightly color with a well defined pattern. Trust me. It may sound strange but I have always been facsinated by snakes, and researched them alot, especially the ones in La.
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more proof
here are pics of JUVENILE cotton mouths, and one with a young moccasin and a harmless water snake side by side for comparison.
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snake ID
I can tell it is a cotton mouth from the shape of it's eyes and the ridges over them.
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WATER SNAKE
I think it's a broad banded water snake. Note the vertical stripes under it's eye down to the bottom of the jaw.

Also, the eye looks like a black pupil with white iris or background, and the cottonmouth usually have darker iris and black eliptical (cat eye) pupils.

I should know - check out my old post about cottonmouth bites LOL!

http://www.louisianasportsman.com/lpca/index.php?section=reports&event=view&action=full_report&id=15089

Oh, by the way - I'm not declaring I'm right, only that it's possible it may be a water snake :-)
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hahaha
hey bjones you say you see it a lot, next time you see it, catch the thing so you can get closer pics, so we can put the debate to rest lol
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Watersnake
I am going with Watersnake on this one. I can actually see the circular pupils from the pic. Also, this is a long narrow snake.

I wouldn't bet a bite on it, but I'm pretty sure.
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snake
that is a moccasin...if u dont believe it just pick it up and see what happens
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definetely!
no doubt at all!!! a cottonmouth!!!!! you can tell by the diamond shaped head, the small sunk in eyes and the pointed nose, because of the diamond shaped head and the fat stubby body!! usually, they have a smell, you can't mistake!! when they get older, they turn darker and then black!! get a long stick and poke at him! when he coils up and opens that mouth, you will see nothing but white, thats why they call them cottonmouths!! just be careful, he mite come after you, they are mean as heck!!! what makes a cottonmouth so bad, is if they can bite you more than once, they will!!! a non poisonous water snake or any non poisonous snake, has an oval type head and big round poke out, buldging kind of eyes!! if you don't trust a stick, or your judgement, use a 12 guage!! good luck and be safe!!! and ya brandon, i hate them things too!!!! oh ya, like bubbamccoy said, choot-um, choot-um!!!
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snake id
Its a diamond mouth cotton back rattle moccacin
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Hate!!
Man I hate those...
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Harmless
It's a harmless water snake nothing to worry about.
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What ? ?
I surely hope there's no one on this site that would attempt to pick up that harmless little snake.... It's a young Cottonmouth like already said...You'll end up with multiple bites,,

and the younger venomous snakes are more deadly than a full grown Cottonmouth due to the fact a young snake will unload as much venon as possible whereas an older one usually only injects as much venom as required to git the job done.

read the other posts below, the guys have alredy identified this little critter correctly,,, Poisonious Cottonmouth fer sure.

R
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'Swampside Happy Hour'
...mess'n w/ him would be like mess'n w/ a Junior Louisiana politicans' expense a/c ???...their bite is worst than 'da old one's dentures !!!...cheers
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Snake
It's really disheartening to see so many outdoorsmen that can't tell the difference between a watersnake and a cottonmouth. The next time you see this snake, pay attention to it's belly. A watersnakes belly scales are a dull yellow. The belly scales on a cottonmouth are multi-colored.
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Belly
That is wrong, a water snake belly is reddish brown and whitish stripes. A cotton mouth is off white with some black blotches, that can be lighter or darker on some snakes. Keep in mind the snake in question is a juvenile, and has not darkened in color yet, so the blotches may not be present, and could possibly have a solid color belly.
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...don't mess w/him !!!
...remember a vendom bite is one thing that a fast MD could handle...but w/a post infection 'ya could struggle w/it all the way to 'da marble crosses w/a crow sitt'n on top ???...live and let live ???...or maybe he only bites stupid people ??? cheers ???
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once again, cottonmouth!!!
if you got kids that go around that pond, do what you have to do to protect them!!!! and that mite not be the only one??? be careful!!! can't believe some people say, thats a water snake??? its like telling the difference between a goat and a elephant?? the problem with identifying a snake while live by the belly colors is, i have never walked upon a snake that was upside down???
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Snake
babin - I can't ever remember seeing black blotches on the bellies of water snakes, but I guess I'm remembering wrong. Bottom line is, if the snake in the original picture is killed, looking at the belly would be a giveaway. The pics you posted, the middle one looks like what we call a 'red-bellied mud snake.'
When I was in high school, my grandparents had a camp on Shell Beach Road. The camp was on Lake Verret and was surrounded by swamp. Back then, there was a guy in Pierre Part that would buy watersnakes (dead ones) as long as they were at least 3 feet long - head to vent - and had no bullet holes in the body. I'd spend all day walking the swamp with a pellet gun and a dip net. I'd kill 30-40 a weekend. Couldn't sell that many but I had a blast doing it.
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Snake
beast -- It's easy to get them to show you their belly. Have you never watched Crocodile Dundee??? I'm sure that trick works on more than just water buffalo's and Doberman's
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JB
That was funny with crocodile dundee. Like you did with water snakes, I do with cotton mouths, hunt and catch alive, then put in freezer to dispatch. No damage what so ever, and reptile taxidermist pay between $1 and $2 per inch, sometimes more if it has a rare size or markings.
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idea
i have an idea kill it just incase. you already know it's stealing fish.
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finish it
i read all these coments and the best one i heard was 'just kill it'
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jb, you're right!!!
ya, you are right jb, but don't forget about turning sharks over too, they turn into wusses!!! i stands corrected dude!!! nobody's perfect!!! and jb, i'm almost twice your age, but i still can remember years ago, when my wife use to turn me over, i became a little mild mannered also!!!!
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snake id
I am just astounded at how many sportsman cant identify snakes!Im not knocking the guy that post this im knocking all the guys who think its a copperhead or cottonmouth! This is a harmless water snake and if anyone thinks any different ill catch it and let it bite me!!
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Fish snake
A live snake. It needs to be re-classified as a dead snake. I'LL DO IT IF YOU NEED.
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undecided
I would have to see a better picture or in person to make a decision, the large fish in his mouth may be distorting his head and causing him to seem to have the sharp lines of a venomous snake. I looked at a pic of a water snake I have but Im still undecided.
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snake???
bird-dog, good bye and good luck, brother!!!! hope you are right?????? but??????????
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duh
Watersnake. A cottonmouth has a fat body that drops quickly to a narrow tail. Any Coonass worth 50 cents knows that. And they ain't orange.
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Closer inspection is in order
I would say nice snake be careful.. then watch it for a bit to confirm the kind. There are simple traits for determining but with my experience the picture is not definate. Shape of head, eyes, etc. are all traits but if you do not know for 100% sure do not fool with it. Simple enough. Some snakes are helpful, I agree but good sense should be the compass here.
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BJones!!!!
please let aus all know what kind of snake it is, when you find out!!!!! i think we are all real curious and it would be a good learning lesson!!!!! i guarantee you its a cottonmouth!!!
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Snake experts
Go ahead and listen to these so called experts on snakes that claim it is just a harmless water snake and you are in for trouble. The person who claims he will grab it and let him bite him...I'd like to see that. I used to see these on a daily basis in the spring. The distict ridge down the side of the head, the body shape, and the markings all show it is a juvenile cottonmouth. I just had a herpatologist friend confirm my conclusion. I'm sure the eperts will prove me wrong though. I wouldn't advise touching it. I have encluded a juvenile cottonmouth pic. No 2 are exactly the same(like puppies.
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Snake
skeeter -- thanks for the picture. Can't see anyone arguing with that. I thought it was pretty obvious it was a cottonmouth. The eyes give it away as well as the body shape and the tail also. A watersnake gradually gets smaller all the way to the tail. This snake is fat then all of a sudden, you get to his tail.

I think people see the markings and just assume watersnake. The markings on this snake are irregular while the makings on a watersnake are more patterened.
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snake
Cajun and Bird Dog gonna go pet that sucker.
HAHA
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rut oh
Cajunhopper........ ' Any Coonass worth 50 cents knows that.',,,, what chu trin' ta' say ? ?
:)
R
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video
hey bird dog please post the video so we can see that
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lol
The pic of the young cottonmouth looks nothing like the snake above!!Come on guys!Look at the head on the snake above.For the sake of arguement I'll agree that colors are very similiar,however a young cottonmouth will ALWAYS have a darker brown stripe on the side of its face.Also all poisonous snakes in Louisiana have 'cat' eye pupils,non poisonous have round pupils!Also the pic of the cottonmouth is a juivenile,the pic above is not a juivenile.

Basinbuzz the snake in your pic is either a corn snake or a rat snake,cant really make out if its more orange or grey but thats not a water snake.Corn snakes prefer eggs so Id lean more towards that.
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water snake
Hey bird dog, you're right. I've seen a million and couldnt make my mind up because of poor pic. Look at the baby cottonmouth, bands and broken bars. Look at the snake in question, each bar connects to a watch or diamond shape on top, hence diamondback watersnake.
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very interesting comments
I am surprised as someone already stated, on some comments posted on this snake picture......

Seems folks do not realize the physical changes between a young fanger and an older fanger... Not all Cottonmouths are black,, nor are they all stump tailed,,,I sure hope folks first do some research on posionious snakes of La before 'teaching' their children what is a posionious snake versus a harmless snake,, cuz apparently there are a few folks on here that would be recieving treatment for a venomous snake bite if they think that little guy is a harmeless typical water snake and treated it as such....

In closeing I will Agree,,, it IS a water snake, a posionous snake typically but not always found near water's edge,,, it called a Cottonmouth 'watersnake'... R
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Water snake
I've been reading this with interest. I think it is hard to tell from the photograph exactly what snake this is. It looks to me like a banded watersnake. Did you take this picture in the Florida parishes, east of the Mississippi and north of Lake Pontchartrain? If not, it probably is not a banded watersnake.
I would like to see a better picture, not of a dead snake, but, of this snake without a fish in its mouth.
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Geeeezus....
Y'all are driving me crazy with this post.....like i said before, that IS a moccasin. The proof is in the shape of the head AND the proportions of the body.....even the markings are that of a juvenile moccasin......an obvious NO DOUBTER!!! Not every single animal of every species looks exactly the same, but they all have distinguishing characteristics.........i feel sorry for the poor man's hand who decides to grab this 'harmless little snake'
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snake id
Like I said...Ill prove it!!Im that confident and KNOW my species!Ive been bit by them all,including moccasins.Where is this pond located?
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don't do it
Man,I really can't believe for one minute that anyone would not know that is a cotton mouth.
Ohh well,go grab him Bird dog.
No need in seeing a video,I'll just look for you in the Obits.
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bets
We should actually take some bets on this so its worth my time!Im game,any takers?
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snake
Bird Dog your beaten a dead horse!! If you noticed I commented on this in the first 10 comments and havent been back because of course there always has to be a debate. Im 39yrs old and grew up in the swamps of Blind River and sourronding areas. Ive seen all shapes and sizes of moccasins 'cotton mouths' water snakes, grass snakes king snakes and whatever else has crawled through these swamps and I know what Im saying is correct. Ive been eye to eye with them and Ive had them crawl 'slither' right against my leg!! If youve ever walked the swamp enogh you would know what I mean. I ant saying it again because Ill be told Im wrong again but so be it!! The snake is what he is!!!!
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bets
If there is a way to prove it,like a closer picture after bets are taken,I'll put $50 where my mouth is.
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I aint an expert
it looks like a cottonmouth to me----if I am wrong so be it but Id rather be safe than sorry on dat one.
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Snake
I'm with meauxjeaux, I will put up $50. Just figure out a way to make it a 'no questoins asked' result.

I think we need to have a seperate pot to pay for BIRD DOG's medical bill. Someone needs to have EMS on stand-by...
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pic
it is difficult to tell from the pic, think about it is how would a non poisonous snake kill a fish that size, all i know for sure is I WANT TO SEE BIRDDOG VIDEO HIM GETTING HOLD OF THAT SNAKE, just his hands no tools, hahahaha email me the video or post it on this sight
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proof
Its easy to prove!Either he can take some better pics of it alive or since its eatin his fish,kill and take some.If hes close to the Northshore Ill go catch it and prove it but yall need to find someone to hold all the money for me!!:)
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Slickone_30,I know how ya feel.I could catch it and let it chew all over my arm and there would still be some on here that would say moccasin lol
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snake debate
no need in debating it anymore.
The money is up,now prove it.
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great
Thanks for the pics mojo, the center one is a perfect match. I'm in for Bird Dog. Course i doubt if that pic will bite anyone.lol How u gonna know u got the right snake again? I'm with chefron, better safe than sorry, no need to play with either.
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SNAKE ID
'Thanks for the pics mojo, the center one is a perfect match. I'm in for Bird Dog'
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Snake
Wait, wait, wait....huntr - you think the picture of the banded watersnake that he posted is an exact match to the snake in question??? Am I looking at the same pics as you???????????
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maybe
JB, i'm not sure. Close your left eye and try itlol
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watersnake pictures?
the watersnake pictures, don't look anything like bjones snake!!! chefron, you right too, cottonmouth, no doubt!!
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so.....
look at black lines on watersnakes upper jaw and the pic originally posted
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Hey BJ,,
One thing I think we can ALL agree ON,,, iz,, you got the most popular snake on the site, bar none !

I'd name him 'Sportsman' an' charge admission to come see the little feller...

If he's gettin' a fish a day, he's probably getting a little fat by now.
R
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ghost
bjones is a ghost, lol, he has no profile and has not responded on his own post yet, we don't know where he is or where this snake is, and he has got us all going at it hahahahaha, there is no settling this so lets just move on
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'Yak'de Yak-Yak '
...5 or 6 of 'ya all hit it right...notice the pic's background is hi-lighted for contrast, attention and a pinch of intrigue...all he's doing is gett'n 'da sheep to chatter...silence or sticking to a intentional mistake is good print when 'ya want a few sparks !!!...cheers

P/S...I think 'B Jones' is in the middle of our ranks ???
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HAHAHAHA
BJones is probably some Psych Major at LSU and we are all just test subjects....
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'Study Hall 101'
I'll try my best to make it clear !!!...but he might be major'n in the aspects of the 'Pack Mentality' of the Wambuessee Post 349 Headhunter Tribes...I think they were the original 'Headless Horsemen' of the dark ages long after the great continental drifts !!!...just before Hannabella was cross'n the Alps !!!..(on 'dem Souped-Up Elephants)???...cheers ???
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/???
its still there
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Re: Identify snake?
The snake in the photo is a harmless broad-banded water snake (Nerodia fasciata confluens) not a cottonmouth/water moccasin (Agkistrodon piscivorus).

One of the ways to distinguish the two is the labial bars (or lip bars that look like stitches) on the mouth. Harmless water snakes have them, cottonmouths do not.
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Re: Identify snake?
This is a harmless and non-venomous broad-banded water snake (Nerodia fasciata confluens.)

As Keith mentioned above, this snake has obvious labial bars which are present on all of our non-venomous water snakes, but absent on cottonmouths/water moccasins (see attached graphic.)

For more information on this species: http://louisianaherps.com/southern-watersnake-nerodia.html

For more information on how to safely and accurately identify snakes, please consider joining this Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/22137638452/
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Re: Identify snake?
Also, just an FYI: head shape means very little when it comes to identifying snakes. Most non-venomous snakes can flatten their heads as a defensive mechanism, giving a triangular appearance, like the photo I have attached of a HARMLESS plain-bellied water snake (Nerodia erythrogaster). It is better to use multiple characteristics to make an identification, such as scalation, pattern/color, and overall head/body length and appearance.
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Re: Identify snake?
Just a heads up to all of you trying to identify snakes, in the state of Louisiana the only native venomous snake with round pupils is the coral snake, all others will have pupil slits. All off our water snakes have round pupils. Look at the eyes off the snake, if the pupil is round it's harmless (exception to coral snake) a harmless water snake should be left unharmed as they compete for habitat with venomous cotton mouths. You will never kill all of the snakes in an area but if you let the harmless ones do their thing, they occupy space that could be taken by cottonmouths.
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Re: Identify snake?
One sure way to tell is look at the eyes, if it has pupils that look like cat eyes then it is a poisonous, if the pupils are round then it is a water snake, some water snakes tend to have some what of a diamond shaped head.
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Re: Identify snake?
NOT at all a cottonmouth/water mocassin. That's a broadband water snake. It's harmless.
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Re: Identify snake?
I'd pick it up. It's a water snake, not venomous...
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Re: Identify snake?
Correct. It's a diamondback water snake! People saying 'definately moccasin' are definitely wrong.
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Re: Identify snake?
Wrong! It's a diamondback watersnake.
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