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This buck is the offspring of the buck of my dreams. I hunted for the past 6 years in northwest Arkansas on the property of my in-laws and have seen what good genetics can produce if you give it time. This buck’s father was a 170 class buck that we made a pet out of. We had an agreement not to shoot him because we wanted to see how big he would get before he started going down and to let him spread his genetics in the area. Two years ago we decided to take him but we didn’t see him. He disappeared!! We were heartbroken because of all the time we put into him. My father in law took this buck on the opening morning of bow season this year a few miles from his house. when compared to the pictures of the one that was comeing up to eat for years he has to be from the same genetics. Haven’t scored him yet but he has 16 points and two small kickers. He is 16 ¼ in. inside. He is only 3 years old!! Never would have believed it. Congrats to Lynn. I know you have been patiently waiting on this one.
I am posting two pictures the first is the buck taken by my father in law and the second is him feeding the father of this buck that made it all possible.
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I've been hunting all my life and find it sad that hunters feel like they accomplished something special when they kill a pet. Not to mention an immature pet. This year I have the largest deer I've ever seen in the wild feeding at a feeder near my stand in Texas. He's a 160 inch 12 point. Even though I haven't been able to take an animal of this caliber to date I will not shoot him due to his 3 year old age.
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   lsugator
Yes we shot a pet that seems to follow us miles away from our own property because they want to get shot…. That just how we do it... And seeing as we are dear experts we try to shoot only 3 year old dear that walk by us, but they have to be over 15 points because that’s what everyone is seeing and we need to thin them out some.
Come on!! Why is it that every time someone tries to share a story about an accomplishment they are proud of there is always “That Guy” that seems to be soooo smart and cool that he has to try to belittle people. Yes we have dear that we feed in the yard and yes we hunt the property around and near the house but we don’t shoot them out of the yard. You feed dear at feeders, does that make them pets? I think it’s ridiculous to put corn out in the woods to hunt over but you don’t see me going after every person that writes “well I got a good one coming to the feeder by my stand that I’m going to shoot next time”. How many 16 point 3 year olds have you seen in the woods? Oh yea, you said you go to Texas and hunt so if I was going over there I would expect to see lots. In your little mind didn’t you even consider that the fact that the dear was a 16 point may have had something to do with why he shot him and the fact that he was only @ 3 years old may have come up after he was checked later own ? I see that you set your account up just before posting on the sight. Do me and everyone else a favor and delete your account. No one on here wants to hear people try to belittle people and act like they are some great hunter, when you have to go to Texas to see dear.
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Not a flame, just a straight forward question. Were these deer free ranging or raised in a high fence enclosure? That is a fine deer, no doubt, but it does make a difference if they are raised as livestock. Reminds me of feeding the Charolais. Where we hunt there is no way anyone is going to walk up to a group of deer with a bucket of feed, unless your name is Noah.

Mike
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   lsugator
All free and wild! They have just gotten use to them feeding at the same time every day for the past 6 years. Now they will not let you get too close but hey will come up to the yard after you walk back and sit on the porch. He usually stops feeding so much in the rut because they either get to aggressive with the others that are trying to eat or they just don’t come up that much because they are off running does. If you feed them and don’t show any aggression toward them they will come back every time. They are a little skittish of you being there but they still come out.
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...I personally can't handle killing something 'Tame' that gives you 'Trust', unless we were on the brink of starvation...it really contradicts the true definition of 'Hunting'...when it should be called a 'Gallery Shoot' with a over abundance of self-praise while wearing 'ya spit-shined 'street' shoes !!!...cheers
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   H-town
'bigshrimpin', they didn't teach you how to read over in Texas? Go back and read the post again. And if you're such an avid trophy hunter, put down the smoke-stick(rifle) AND stop hunting over corn. That's how we do it at my place in NE Louisina where the doe weigh more than your mature bucks:)

And same for you 'Ensign Rabbit'....read the post again.

Put your thinking caps on this time;)

CONGRATS ON THE BUCK P-DUB!!!!!

HOW BOUT DEM TIGERS!!!!!!!
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Hey dont worry about the hecklers out there. I for one think you cant eat horns! If its brown its down!
I love venison and if you hunted where I do you would shoot brown with no hesitation on size or age. The terrain we hunt since katrina is TOUGH hunting and theres alot of people that hunt in the same area and just cant see the game due to briars etc!

So congrats to him!!
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   BIRD DOG
Everybody has opinions and we are all entitled to them! Thats whats so great about America! I for one dont see the challenge in this but hey if thats what you wanna do so be it.I've never been one to hunt horns,I like to eat.Got a buddy that raised a big deer on a large piece of property,I dont think it would have been right to shoot it and say you did somethin?! Just my .02 cents. Very nice deer though!
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Lets take this subject to the next level!! I Think '''Anybody''' shooting a deer over a feeder is not hunting but rather just shooting deer!! Hunting Deer is finding their feeding route, bedding areas, finding that white oak flat with the nuts that deer have cracked open while the rest of the nut falls back the earth, Know the difference between squirrel,Hog or deer bite marks on a nut. Know when your too close to the bedding area, or how to not make too much noise to not spook the deer from an area, How to enter an area in the Dark and leave in the dark with out getting out of your stand, NO bathroom break etc not letting a deer know you are there. These are called ''HUNTING SKILLS''' have been ''lost'' to most hunters these days and all I hear or see on this site is people feeding deer Corn, or feed of some kind and when the deer show up they Shoot THE DEER that's not hunting that's deer shooting and you all should have a shortened season for that or that should be '''Illegal'' period. ALL YOU PEOPLE THAT SHOOT DEER OVER BAIT WOULD BE LOST, !!!!!!!
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   BIRD DOG
I couldnt agree more speckhunter,very well said.
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Great deer lsugator, No disrespect toward you. I just get all Pi#$%@^& off at these Hippocrates on this site. Deer Bait shooters

Nice Deer

Congrads
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For those that need help with reading comprehension. The dear that was taken was BELIEVED to be the OFFSPRING of the deer they were feeding TWO YEARS AGO. No where does it state they were feeding the dear that was taken.

He is not bragging about shooting a deer that was hand fed. He is happy that by properly managing the heard they are now seeing the reward for being patient.
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What is missing in this conversation is that the killing fo the deer is legal. Period.

I've shot a lot of deer over corn, as have most hunters in this state. I've had Mississippi hunters tell me that's not real hunting because it's not legal there.

But it's legal, and personally I don't see a lot of difference between using feeders for deer and snatching bass off off of spawning beds.

Anyone think we should shut down bass fishing from January through May?
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   hunt r
First of all congrats to somebody on an awesome deer. Andy's right, the regs say ANY LEGAL method, not ETHICAL, method. Ethics only come into play when ur sport hunting, not hunting for food. If ur hungry, ethics are the first thing u lose.lol What i have a problem with is that anyone who cant spell deer(dear), cant correctly age deer, and jumps to some outlandish conclusions, is an expert in management and esp. genetics. Anyone believes thats a 31/2 yr. old deer, unless it was pen raised, in that world renowned hotbed of genetic superiority, NW arkansas, i've got some great deer land in a swamp to sell u, cheeeeap!!!
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   BIRD DOG
Hey Andy,I dont think bass fishing should be shut down from January to March but anybody with any regards for future generations will throw back big fat females during this time.I personally dont care if someone wants to shoot deer over corn,I think its great to be able to feed so kids have a better chance at seeing deer.Howver if a grown man thinks hes really accomplished something by hunting this way then I think I would question his ability to truly 'hunt'!
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NICE BUCK.. I JUST WISH HE WOULD HAVE WALKED IN MY CORN PILE... WE LOOK AT IT AS SHOOTING THE DEER SO THE BIRDS AND SQUIRELLS CAN EAT......
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you said these deer are free and wild....they may be free, but they are FAR from wild. not my style, but to each his own
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   Cutem777
Not bashing...Like said before everyone has thier own opinion and is entitled too it....But dosnt the hand feeding of deer(in your area) In a sense make them comfortable with humans and the smell of humans and associate that with food?
EX: That deer may of smelled the hunter, and was not spooked or scared off by your scent because he has been around it for generations and was continuously fed by a human?
And I do agree with others in saying that it is a little rediculous that others hunt over feeders with rifles in their luxurious box stands is wrong...However I think that hunting over corn with a bow is a challange and shouldnt be frowned upon..
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   sparky38
Is that all some people can do is whine, whine,whine.......If the man wants to raise his deer on his property thats his business,dont complain,mind your own business!!! I guess you dont hunt on a ranch in Texas,right!!!Or better yet, you wouldnt take a free hunting trip to a big Texas trophy ranch where you could be garunteed a mature trophy deer?? Cry babies,,I'd kill my own deer I raised on my own land too !!! Hey,I kill rabbits on a rye grass patch right at the edge of a thicket in my back yard 10 mins before legal shooting hours are up,guess I'm wrong too!!!!
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   BIRD DOG
@ sparky38,stating an opinion on a public forum is not whining,and as far as minding our buisness,he posted on a public forum therefore its anybodys buisness.
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   lsugator
This is a public post and your opinions are welcome. I am glad that some people out there are posting their opinion and I enjoy reading them. When I posted the pictures I wasn’t even thinking of the post that would come along with it, but like I said I really enjoyed them. I feel that a lot of people have gotten the wrong idea about this deer. He is not a pet and he was not shot out of the back yard over corn! A few critics seem to think that they are the greatest hunter that can go out and smell the ground and find the deer and that makes you a true hunter. I don’t know if you are or not. I can tell you that this man grew up in an area of north Louisiana that is not the best hunting in the state and they had to hunt for their food. He learned a lot about hunting because of this. I on the other hand am a 32 year old from East Feliciana and am pretty good at hunting, if I do say so myself. I have learned a lot in my life by listening to the older generation and respecting the outdoors and I feel that there is nothing wrong with taking a buck on your own property that you have put a lot of time and energy into when you want to. I have hunted in some places that you are in a nice stand with the corn feeder out in the field, and you have to shoot the 8 point or better. I have also sat on my property for years letting the good deer walk by and waiting on the once in a lifetime buck that may not be the biggest, but it’s still one to talk about. I have been privileged to know my father- in-law and to be in the situation to see and learn some things from him about hunting. I have seen a lot of the old hunters that I have learned from come and go without them seeing the dear of a lifetime and I am just ecstatic to see this Great Hunter get his day in the spotlight. I’m sure every one of you has known that person that you just wish his time and effort he had put into hunting had paid off. I didn’t post this to brag, if so I would have said that I got the deer and left it at that. I just wanted to give a little credit to someone that deserved a little credit for being a good guy. That’s all….
I take lessons and believe me I listen to great hunters if any of you are out there and are willing teach. I could teach a few things that I have picked up over the years too. Because what I think of as a good hunter is one who passes on the knowledge to others. After all it should be about just being out and enjoying the outdoors after all anyway. I’m not a corn hunter but I do put corn out sometimes to let my 5 year old be able to enjoy seeing deer when I take him on the stand with me. If that is wrong I’m sorry. I have not shot a deer in years because we have a lot of kids that hunt with us and take care of the food hunting for us. It brings me more pride in seeing a kid have fun than me. I am also out there looking for that big one and hope one day I can have the joy that some have and get my day in the spotlight. I just enjoy being in the outdoors and spending time with friends and family. This is how I was raised.
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BIRD DOG, I actually would keep a spawning female bass if it weighs more than the 8 1/4-pounder I have hanging on my wall. Well, actually, I've set 10 pounds as the minimum for another bass on the wall.

And here's the thing: I certainly care about the future of fishing, but taking a double-digit bass from a bed has absolutely NO impact on the future of a fisher. None.

Why? Because, while that hawg will definitely release many more eggs than an individual first-year spawner, there are so many more first-year spawners that as a whole the number of eggs released by all the huge bass pale in comparison to those released by the masses of young bass.

And most of the eggs from any given bass are eaten or die, anyway.

That's science, BTW, not my opinion. I've spoken with dozens of fishery biologists over the years and they all say the same thing: Keeping big bass doesn't do any harm to the fishery.

So now you're down to personal preference (which some define as ethics): You release bass during the spawn, and I don't.

We're both correct, as long as we take bass in a legal manner.

Same thing with this deer debate: If you don't want to hunt over corn, that's great. But it doesn't mean that I'm wrong (or unethical) for hunting over corn, since it's legal.

One more tidbit go consider: I had Dave Moreland out to a piece of property years ago to do a browse survey, and I asked him if we should stop feeding corn. He looked around at the pine plantations, laughed and said, 'Only if you don't want to kill any more deer.'

Not sure anyone would charaterize Dave as anything but an ethical hunter.

Man, I LOVE this debate. Thanks to everyone for keeping it civil!
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Dont feed the trolls!!

Andy, you gotta get one first! Ohkissa is gonna be awesome this year, getting that deck built for the front of the boat!

Im with Ted Nugent--'Anything legal I can do to improve my odds, I DO!'
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   BIRD DOG
Andy,LDWF offers a free fiberglass replica of any largemouth over 10lbs but you have to keep the fish alive.They want these fish alive for a reason.They want to breed these large fish for restocking purposes.I dont agree with everything you said,maybe if it was about numbers but its about quality.Yes there will be millions of other fish spawing but how many that made it to 10lbs?
Just like shooting deer over corn,have you really accomplished something by catching fish on a bed?Thats when I bring my kids fishing,that way they can catch a bunch and have a good time.
Really what it boils down to is to each his own and if its legal then so be it.I personally would be more proud of a spike killed in PRWMA than a ten point on a guided hunt with auto feeders and heated condos but thats just me!
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   rocknet
I used to have the mentality that I had to kill a big bass and mount it and hang it on a wall in order to brag on it. I gave up that logic long ago. I, along with others, would like Lake Cat. to become a special place where sportsmen, kids, gals, could go catch a bass of a lifetime. There should be some places that are special. If everyone wants to catch a 9 or 10 lber, and stick it on the wall, then we will never achieve this special place. I believe people should keep bass and eat them, nothing wrong with that for sure. But, the truly large bass should be put back for everyone to enjoy catching. Lake Fork is a great place that achieves this. I like pictures, and believe that a picture of a large bass out on the water is special. You can do a lot with digital pics, and when you look up on the wall and see that special catch and time frozen forever, now that's memories... not a dead carcass hanging up on the wall. I won't get into the deer hunting debate, sorry!
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   sparky38
BirdDog you're exactly right about this being a public forum and everyone is entitled to have one! I was trying to point out that when people get on this public forum and share their opinions and accomplishments,others reply in a very critisizing way and try to pass it off as a simple return comment,thats all!!! Thanks for catching that BirdDog !!
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Yeah, I get the fiberglass replica thing - but I still would probably kill a 10-pounder. Hey, that's just my preference. That fish has spawned for several years - and there's no guarantee that the fish wouldn't die from the stress of being caught (even if released) or a gazillion other stress factors.

Bigger fish are much more prone to dying from stress, BTW.

But, as you say, to each his own, as long as it's legal!

One caveat: I have no problem with a catch-and-release lake, but I doubt we ever see one because the fact is that you cannot release every fish and maintain a quality fishery.

Didn't mean to hijack the discussion away from deer ....
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According to every deer expert I've ever interviewed, it's actually impossible to change the genetic makeup of a wild herd of deer, despite what many hunters believe. QDM is really about providing the opportunity for those with the greatest natural potential to blossom, while taking out those that don't live up to your expectations.

I know some places that feed protein, and the deer have responded incredibly. But there are still inferior mature bucks in the herd.

There are just too many uncontrolled variables in the wild.

The key is to have a clear idea of what you want to accomplish, and then get out do what you can: doe harvest, shooting inferior bucks, letting those outstanding young bucks walk, providing what supplemental nutrition you can afford, etc.
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   Leslie
Hey Gator, very nice deer and sorry about all the negative feedback! I for (1) plant food plots, but feed very little corn and rice bran, however I do it because it is legal and joe across the road does it and I believe he will pull some of my deer away from me if I did not do it. I for one do not take the deer under the feeders, I have found that I do better by getting out away from the feeders because, the big boys here do not show themselves during daylight hours and I'm not after the doe and definely not mad at them. I'm happy just seeing nature at it's best! Good luck to you and your father-in-law!
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On Saturday LSU play Auburn. That is a contest. High score wins. To many people make deer hunting a contest. It isn't a horrible crime we all progress through various stages of deer hunting. It is ashame that everyone can't get quickly to the stage of just enjoying 'the hunting' and stop feeling like someone cheated you out of something because they shot a huge pet deer.

Just come to the realization that it doesn't affect you one way or the other if it was tied to a steak. This isn't a competion. Leave that to Saturdays in death valley!
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hey mike i hate to say it but you are wrong, saturday will not be a contest, that will be some beat down, TIGERS wooping on tigers
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   SBLedHed
Congrats to your Father-in-law on a great buck even though it was not in La. Me and my brother have been trying to get our father on a big buck with little luck lately so I understand the excitement.

I dont care how he killed it! Unless you are in a high fence operation where deer are extremely friendly... its a awesome hunt and kill! While some bucks will come to feed, it is most often in the off season. I rarely see a picture of a good buck on camera (or while hunting) during daylight hours under a feeder. They come almost always at night or just after they know I am gone. It is legal. So stop Moaning and Groaning. Who are you people? Just rain on a lifelong hunter's parade after a Buck of Lifetime. I despise you people who sit there saying such senseless things about how much better a hunter you are. And then attacking his grammar... Please.

The reality of hunting is that unless you hunt in a stockpiled area such as high fenced ranches, Pike County IL, etc. it is really hard to get even a glimpse of a trophy. So please just keep your comments to yourself for we don't care what you one upper, I'm better, whiny babies think. Grow Up! Be polite and happy for the man. He ARROWED a great buck, a feat in itself! Yea it was not rifle shot so calm your 'That's not hunting' attitude. Not all of us have to hunt like native americans use to. Some own or lease property and cultivate it for wildlife. That is not wrong no matter how you look at it unless your a member of PETA!
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   xman69
Bigshrimpn really? You state that you hunt in TX and have a nice deer under your FEEDER. You are a typical HYPOCRITE. First of all hunting anywhere in TX in not hunting it is shooting. Hunting is when you go into an area scout it and kill an animal not over industrialized feed. Just like the kid did on Sherburne WMA when he killed a 160 inch public land beast. Hunting in TX over a feeder, give me a break. LOL. I bet you are big as a shrimp.
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   jls
AWESOME MAN!!!!!!!.......Here One my Dad took few year Back scored 160 19 Point
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