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Why cant smallmouth live in Louisiana? My wife asked me this question and I can't give her a good answer, and I have read a lot of information online. It seems to me Toledo Bend and Sabine River have the necessary conditions.
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   ribbitman
Good question,have been asked numerous times,I will dig in to that and let you know.JD
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   JB
Smallmouth can't tolerate hot water. The water in the south gets too hot in the summer.
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Too hot is a good answer but Toledo Bend and Sabine River have really cold water. I haven't taken the temps. myself but it is plenty cold enough I am sure. In August the water is still really cold being let into the river.
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From the reading that I've done I would say La. doesn't have the right types of habitat. That being rocky bottom lakes or rivers. I don't believe it's the high water temperatures but I may be wrong.
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I have fished a few lakes in Arkansas that were reported to have Smallmouth bass. Was told by locals they were only way up river and not in the lakes due to water temps. They said you could occasionally catch one in the main lake during the winter months, but never during the summer/fall months. It's all about water temps.
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   CaptJS
The big laugh has been that a local never wins a rodeo because he is set in his ways. I too have fished on lakes in Ark. and we caught them at night when the locals were sleeping. I remember fishing with my son who was stationed in the Navy at Pensacola. We both had a big trout on the line and a local drove by and said the trout never bite after 8am and it was 8>05 lol. Guess if you leave at 8 they will stop biting we still fish that area on vacation and have a good laugh. I agree that these smallies rocks and gin clear water. I have also found that some of these lakes in Ark. and Okla. have more spots then say TB and Louisiana lakes.
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Smallmouth cant live down here due to the crucial heat resulting in warmer water temperatures. A smallmouth could adapt and survive for a period of time but its life span wouldnt be nearly as long it would be in lets say Indiana or Kansas. We all know a cold snap in Louiisiana is alot more different than one in Wisconson. In the south weather changes on a day to day basis. From reseacrch Ive made Small mouth bass can live in half a foot of water to 30ft of water. In all yes they can survive for a period of time depending on what time of year it is here. The water temperature up North stays at a more moderate temperature between 65-75. To where as down here the temperatures can flip flop.
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   CaptJS
Does you test cover this lake in Texas'
Lake Meredith is 45 miles north of Amarillo in the Texas panhandle and it is rated 'Excellent' for smallmouth bass fishing by the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department. This lake covers 16,411 acres with a maximum depth of 127 feet.
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   BStrick
I know water temps play a role but that doesnt explain why there are catchable smallmouth populations in other southern states that have the same weather temps as north La. I remember reading somewhere that fla and La were the only states that did not have a catchable smallmouth population. had something to do with the lack of rock/hard bottom for them to spawn on
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   CaptJS
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If rocks were the prime reason for Smallmouth bass, then the Red River would be loaded with them. There are many a lake in Minnesota that have no rocks what so ever, but are loaded with Smallmouth. These lakes are loaded with weeds, vegetation. Lower water temps are the key, temps we don't have year around in Louisiana.
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   swole_T
i remember watching a fishing show on tv where a guy was catching smallmouth bass in a lake in mexico. But im sure they were stocked there and i dunno how long they lived for, most of them seemed pretty small bout 10 to 12 inches long.
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   CaptJS
I have never heard of Lake in that area that did not have rocks. The beaches along Lake Superior and hundreds of other lakes have produced many gems. Virtually any place with exposed gravel and rocks offers the chance of finding Lake Superior agates Think it is called the rock capital. Most lakes and town have rock in their names. Red river is like mud for month months and the fishing is done in the oxbow shallow lakes off the river. My guess is that they need deep gin clear water with rocks.
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Temps probably have to do with nesting sucess. I know of creeks cold enough for the fish to survive and have sand and gravel bottoms( upper Tangipahoa and Tickfaw and Amite and Bogue Chitto Rivers). I dont think they are cold enough for nesting. Kentucky Spotted Bass as well as large mouth bass thrive in the above mentioned streams.
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   Dr. Spot
Smallmouth prefer 68 and 80 degrees, clear water, and structure. They are also particular about spawning conditions that are not conducive to a southern spring. See http://www.getsomebass.com/smallmouthbass_bio.html

Had a lot of fun catching them on crawfish in Horsetooth Reservoir while a graduate student in Colorado from May-September. Yes, Colorado has crawfish in their ponds, although the locals seemed ignorant about that :)
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They have smallmouth in ross barnette reservoir in mississippi
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   Dr. Spot
That's very interesting. Apparently several Mississippi lakes have smallmouth. The common factor seems to be deep water so the water can stay cooler. Okhissa Lake is another place, and this link explains why.

http://www.lakebrowser.com/mississippi/okhissa_lake.asp

I wonder if biologists figured out they could survive and stocked them? Smallmouths certainly are not native.
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   CaptJS
There are many lakes in the south that have smallmouts but you need to stock them and the two lakes you talked about could have them if they stocked them.
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I live on the Sabine River in Starks Louisiana. Its the Louisiana and Texas state line about 20 miles north of I-10.... We catch Kentucky bass or Kentucky redeyes' everytime we go out. They don't grow very long but they will get to 3 to 4 lbs.. Here's a picture of some we caught this year. They love crawfish crankbaits and spinnerbaits. There a plenty largemouth In the river too. You usually catch both.
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