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Shipshoal 26 (The Pickets)

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I got word today that plans are already in motion to remove shipshoal 26 (The Pickets) and all surrounding structures. Because of the rig's structures, it has become a prime fishing spot for many local fishermen. If this is allowed to happen, the sportsman of this area will surely suffer. Does anyone know who we can contact to prevent this from occuring? Senators, representatives, CCA, etc.? If I am not mistaken, a few years ago the state took possesion of the enstar rig when it was scheduled for removal, preventing the rig from being destroyed. If this process is to be stopped, action must be taken quickly. The rig is currently shut down and the well heads are being plugged. Any help or information would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Capt. Ricky Brondum
985-537-5022
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The full story on the removal of the Pickets
Guys, you can learn more about the removal of the Pickets by jumping over to http://www.louisianasportsman.com/details.php?id=5137
'Cocodrie/Dularge'
Capt.Ricky...their minds are made and many town hall meeting are show-biz rigged...we heard one say 'the pile of bottom debris will still leave small mountains '...seems politicians only fight two ways...one for 'personal credit' the other to get away from 'responsiblity' plus there lots of in-fighting and most of them live in a bubble while still scrambling for BP's money...by the way we heard some people talk'n 'good' about'ya behind'ya back...cheers to'ya
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ship shoal
I hear ya Admiral. I hope your wrong though. I don't know if your familiar with this area but it is extremely popular with fishermen fron Cocodrie to Dularge. I hope someone on here sees this and can get it in the right persons hands. Anybody???
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SS 26 Pickets
HELP! Does anyone on here care about this?? I wrote an e-mail to David Vitter. No response yet but I hope maybe it brought up some conversation. Anyone have contacts with the CCA??? How about Mary Landrieu??
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Hmmmmmmm
I heard of this plan a while back. From my understanding, they have commissioned every 'unused' structure to be taken out. Google 'red snapper damage in Alabama/ blowing rigs up'. Something like that. It is terrible, they blow these rigs up and literally hundreds of dead fish float to the surface. The government made a law that somehow doubled insurance rates for companies that own those abandoned structures. So now they are somewhat forced to take them all down. Im sure if enough noise it made, it could be stopped. I could be wrong, just what i was told.

As far as getting people to care, im sure a ton do have strong feelings about this issue. The problem is getting them to act.
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Important structures
With Racoon Pt. being washed away those fish need every structure possible. Ricky can you post Vitter's email and any others you get? I'll do my part. Thanks
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Rig Removal
Google 'Towers of Life'. There has been an effort from the diving and fishing community to try and keep the rigs from being removed. Safety and liability are some of the key issues.
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Hmmmmmmm
http://www.vitter.senate.gov/contact/email-senator-vitter

Theres the email for all who would like to voice their opinion. I sent him a few back when the oil spill happen. Never got a response.

Not saying i wont try again with this issue, but i have a feeling (now that im really thinking about it) what is in motion can not be stopped.

Once we, the people, hear about issues like this, it has most likely been sitting on his desk for quite some time, and things have already been set in motion.

Sounds atrocious to say, but every time i see something similiar to this issue, which dose not make sense, i cant help but wonder who is getting a pay day?????

Maybe the ole Admiral learned me something?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYFKLkC7tpE

This will put some hate in your heart.

Also for all the people in Houma. Im sure there are a few of you who know Gordy Dove personally. Give him a call and see what is going on. Not that he would remember me, but i had a long talk with him in grand isle at his camp about the benefits of barrier islands AND structures/artificial reefs. He is very supportive of both. Hard for me to see him being for this.

If its true.....
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ss26
Thanks Ricky For pulling this back up. I heard from some Capt.'s that as of Mon. men were on the main rig with cutting torches removing 'stuff' from up top. I hope they strip it of everything they can and leave nothing but pilings. Remove any and all ladders, docks etc. to avoid anyone getting on what ever is left. I know this is not your typical 'artificial reef' but it is certainly a haven for trout for the last 35 years I know of. Throw in what someone else pointed out about losing land fast around Coon Point and this is a major deal. I believe ( Not positive) that the Enstar platform was scheduled for removal and public out cry got the state to take possession of it to relieve the oil company of liability. This is what we need to happen, and quickly. Someone that fishes out there knows an influential political sportsman that could help. Hopefully someone will step up. I certainly don't think it could hurt if our senators and rep. got e-mails also. Get involved if you can.
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Sad Story -
For anyone that has ever fished this structure, this is surely a sad story. Capt. Ricky, let me know what you guys do to voice your opinions on this and I'll do everything I can to help as well.
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Dissapointing news
This is heart wrenching news. Ashame this structure is being removed, as it is a crucial structure/artificial reef that hold/attracts thousands of fish every summer. I was told yesterday that the rig will be pulled out within two weeks. I don't see any efforts being made to keep any of the structure in place. This structure is a vital part of our fishery. They removed SS 35 1-2 yrs ago now this rig. I guess no one is worried about our fishery and what this will cause once removed, very disappointing for sure.

Capt Marty
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SS 26
I thought that the policy from the feds was for non-producing platforms. I was at the Picketts 1-2 yrs ago and from our conversation with the guy on the platform we talked to it was producing. A barge would load or offload every 2-3 days. It's a shame to lose a great fishing spot like SS 26.
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Rig Removal
Some of you may be familiar with EI 51...was a trout haven...I worked for the company that had to remove it...The company tried to donate it as an artifical reef, but you have to have a 30ft depth navigational clearance...We were going to install navigational lights and asked that the USCG maintain them, but no governmental agency would take responsibility for it...I now work for the company that owns SS 26 and they would run into the same issues...the companies are being forced to destroy these ecosystems...Sad but true!
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SS 26
Fished ther Sat. Barge was at rig removing fluids from platform. Another barge was to the southeat already removing small sat.
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there is nothing we can do
...in the short term to prevent the removal of these rigs. This is an issue we have been working on for years now, only we start paying attention when it happens to our favorite rig.

CCA and Towers of Life have been addressing this issue, yet many come on this site and others to bash both organizations. Then, when your rig is being removed, you come in and call for CCA's help. The best thing you can do is join CCA and to contact your representative. The more members CCA and Towers of Life have, the more credibility the organization has to lobby the government for these types of issues.

Wake up guys. The removal of rigs has been in the works for several years. Stopping it has been similar to stopping a freight train with a pinky finger.
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Crazy!!!
I've contacted one of our LDWF commissioners (happens to be my wife, Ann Taylor) after reading this. We have got to scream, loud and quick are they will be gone like the rest of the rigs that are being removed. There is a lot to this story, it will not be an easy task...but all is possible if people will put their minds to it. Jindal is taking all of the Rigs to Reefs monies and putting them in the general fund.
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ss26
Thanks Tony for contacting your wife. LOL Seriously though,we need someone with the right contacts to get this looked at quickly. About that reef money fund, I thought someone had a bill that was going to dedicate solely for its intended purpose? I also believe this issue could fall under 'Artificial Reef ' guidelines to get the funding to halt the removal and get the minimum funds needed to maintain the structure for safe navigating. I tried emailing David Vitter with no response. I know Capt. Bill Lake emailed Gordon Dove with no answer as of a couple days ago. Gosh I hate to see us loose this great location.
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Good Move and a Question
Mr. Tony...Thank you for that 'in-house' move. She has respect on that committee and may be able to help.

To motorboat...Please explain what and when did CCA do anything. I was at a town hall meeting and that question was raised and no one knew of anything CCA had actually done.
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Lovely! At least I will now know I am not going nuts when I go fishing and can't find them. This really sucks and I am sure it is in reality to late save this rig but maybe it will light a fire under some politicians to get this system fixed.
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Time
Mike I hope your wrong. I believe the RIGHT person getting behind this could convince Apache to slow down structural removal till proper channels could take it over. I hope they continue on the main SS26 platform to remove everything up top leaving only support structure. I am thankful for you, Andy and Tony for getting a little info. on this out there. I think that's what it will take for any hope of keeping these fishing grounds.
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Thanks
Andy..thanks for the story! Great job.
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I Hope I Am Wrong Too
Current law requires removal.
Current law mandates the oil companies are liable forever!
Current law allows for reefs to have as little as 50 foot of clearance.
Current law of 50 ft clearance is a joke.
Current law creates a situation where the Oil Companies can bend over backwards to have the old rig used with 85 ft. of clearance... IF APPROVED! It isn't guaranteed.

Current law is a joke when it comes to rigs to reefs! The law needs to be changed to require all rig removal used as a reef. Until the government sets up the laws to force the companies to not destroy reefs the reefs will be destroyed.

Don't misunderstand, I am not saying the oil companies must be FORCED to do this are they won't. What I am saying is all rigs should be turned into reefs. ALL of them! And that currently ever rig that has been turned into a reef has been done solely because the oil companies jumped through paper work hoops to make it happen even though there was no guarantee all the time and money spent on the endeavor would actually end up with the rig as a reef.

An analogy would be you can drive up and dispose of your new car and a car crushing place in 15 minutes or spend an hour filling out tons of paper work in the hopes that you save $5. Which would you choose?

Laws don't get changed over night and this battle isn't new and didn't start with the Pickett's! So I have my doubts that it will end at the Picketts which is in shallow water.

Think about it. We have a situation (deep water rigs) where the gov. and the oil companies could both save money. Win/Win and that still hasn't been resolved despite many people forming organizations to fight that battle.

To think a much tougher issue of shallow water rig usage will stop work already in progress is in my opinion a near impossibility.

But I don't want to be a dark cloud. The Mardi Gras Rig will eventually be on the chopping block as well. We need to solidify a front now to fix this situation before we lose more rigs.
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ss26
Mike I believe all of that is 100% right on. My question is this, Why has Enstar platform been spared?? All the same criteria as the pickett's. And this one has been spared I think before we had any of these reef funds, etc. I am under the impression (not sure) the state took responsibility for this rig.
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rigs to reef
Mike, not to be critical, but when is the last time a politician fixed anything? They will only make it worse. We've heard all of this before. There is no incentive for the oil companies to leave their rigs. They enter into every lease agreement knowing that one day they will have to remove them. As I think they should. Thats always been the law. Even if everything topside is removed, they are still liable for everything below, no matter how deep the water. Nobody wants the liability. Ask the CCA if they'll take the responsibility of maintaining nav-aids, I bet not. All those folks curse the oilfield industry at every turn, then have the nerve to want to leave tons of steel in the water for the sake of a few fish.
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Organizations
Audubon, Sierra Club, CCA. Silence promotes the violence. Stole that one. Isn't the aquarium based on Gulf rigs? Like all way too big orgs they take your money and turn their backs.
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You are right
Vicious...You are correct as to the three groups you mentioned, but only one has a mission statement which mandates its involvement in this issue--CCA. Yet several days ago, motorboat made a comment about what CCA does/did towards this issue. I asked him for specifics and that request has fallen on deaf ears.
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OOF
Almost makes you want to invite PETA to the ball game. I am about to go throw up.
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BP and Audubon
On Facebook Audubon posted the fact they took money from BP for a function.Took post down after being bashed badly. Bet they kept the money tho.
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CCA
Rhall, sorry I didn't reply. I was at the camp. I can't point to anything cca has done specifically but its lobbyists are working against the removal of rigs. As I stated before, there us not much anyone or any single organization can do to the current laws requiring rig removal.

This is a touchy political game. If cca sides with peta, then they get criticized by those who eat fish. If they work with oil companies then they are 'on the take' as mentioned above. Plus, cca has recently been consumed with the snapper debate. We (recreational fishermen) are getting hit from all sides.

Since cca is not a us senator or rep, they cannot vote on legislation to change the mandates to remove rigs. If you'd like to join the organization and get involved, I'm sure your suggestions for specific ways cca can stop rig removal will be heard, considered and acted upon.

So what would you suggest cca 'do' to stop rig removal?
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Well
The Greenies (what I call em) used to sit down in front of dozers to stop deforestation. As much money as CCA gets annually the Board of Directors can go sit on rigs being dismantled. :-)
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Viscious
I almost put in my post 'short of sitting in front of the wrecking ball, there is not much we can do'. lol

Unfortunately, recreational fishermen often have much more to lose than just fishing. Most of our jobs would frown upon us taking off time to stage a protest. So, again, the best thing you can do is join an organization and get involved.

Rhall--my request seems to have fallen on deaf ears. you there or does your short time frame for a reply only apply to me?
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Mother's Day Celebration
To motorboat...Nope, your post has not fallen on deaf ears, was just busy celebrating Mother's Day, plus I wanted to gather facts before I make this post.

As to what I would do. First, I would let our elected officials understand that over the last three years, an average of 807 million dollars of the state budget is supplemented by recreational fishermen, annually. Second, I would get a united front, and begin a grassroots campaign to educated our elected officials.

As to your CCA comments, I checked the facts this morning. I asked you for specifics and you only stated generally that CCA actively lobbies for this issue.

Here are the facts.

First, CCA did not lobby any federal officials about this issue. Since, this is a federal mandate, the lobby process needs to take place there.

Second, in 2011, David Vitter introduced a bill to stop the destruction of rigs. He asked CCA-Louisiana for imput, and received none. When no one appeared to speak at the committee in support of this bill, it was simply deferred back to committee. He introduced the bill earlier this year and again asked for CCA-Louisiana for input, and again received none. CCA-USA, did help and has sought help from other elected officials and chapters on the gulf coast.

Third, twenty Congressmen sent a letter to the Department of Interior asking to stop the destruction of rigs. Only one Louisiana Congressman (Cedric Richmond) signed that letter. He did so because a very active charter boat captain asked him to do so. Not one Louisiana Congressman was asked to join this letter by CCA-Louisiana.

So I ask again, please tell me the specific lobby efforts that CCA-Louisiana has taken on this issue.
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LUMCON
Does anyone know someone at LUMCON? (Louisiana Universities Marine Consortium @ Cocodrie)
Why are they quiet and not making any noise about this? Or maybe they are and I just haven't heard of it.
Seems like they should have all the data for the reasons not to destroy any rigs in the Gulf.
Seems like this could be an issue to get college kids involved through their Student Activities Council. (Especially since there are thousands of them)

CCA? I googled CCA and rigs to reefs came up. Don't see where they have been doing any lobbying. Only thing I see they are doing is applauding efforts by some people but looks like the applause is only in-house lip service. I don't get their publications so the applause may be in there as well. The silence is deafening. Oh and don't forget to register for the CCA STAR. You may win a boat big enough to go see in person the destruction of the rigs.

Socialism at its best. Someone is getting big bucks to tear them down and is probably ''Spreading the wealth.'' Naaaah, nothing like that happens in the good ole US of A.
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SS26
Well guys, I like to see some activity on this blog, I don't know if it is going anywhere. As far as Lumcon, My thoughts are their claim to fame seems to be tracking the dead zone. I personally have not made it out there in 3 weeks now but have heard they are now pulling up pilings around the satellites and taking equipment off the main platform. I still have hope although it is fading fast.
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Until you blue in the face
Vicious...You can google until you are blue in the face, and you will not find anything CCA has done. Simply, because it has done nothing.

Motorboat claims they did, but when called out, admits he knows of no specifics. It has done nothing.

Not only has it none nothing, it has failed to respond when elected officials sought its help.
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rhall301
CCA
I used to fish 3-4 times a week years back. A friend convinced me to join for the STAR tourney. He is no longer a friend. Was the only time I ever wasted my money with them. :-)
I haven't fished offshore in about 40 years. Being a fisherman I still don't want to see destruction of coral reefs. That is what the growth on the rigs is, isn't it? I thought destruction of coral was against the law to some extent. Might be an endangered species living amongst these rigs. Destruction of its habitat is definitely against the law. (Someone north of Lake Pontchartrain has some endangered frogs on his land and now he cannot use his land as he sees fit.)
The federal government has thousands such laws that at least one could be used to halt this destruction. You know the feds love to spend money on studies. Need something on these rigs that need further study. That's where I had hope someone knew somebody at LUMCON and maybe they know of a new species that needed study or an endangered species living amongst the rigs.
Something needs to be of a bigger value or a bigger concern than the rigs itself.
And maybe I need to shut up before I end up sounding stupid.
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Rhall
Admins- can y'all check out this guy's credentials? Sounds exactly like peledet, who was banned for sending threats to posters.
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I can't
I don't have access to that data so I can't help ya!
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Motorboat
You make false allegations about CCA, then when you get called out you make even more false allegations against me. Just answer the facts.

The two greatest philosophers known to man are Admiral Rabbit and Socrates. I will qoute the latter:

'When a debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser'
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CCA involvement
I among others with CCA met with Vitter on this issue last fall. We also have support from lobbyist on both coasts. We are having to deal with multiple agencies also. There has been papers filed for an injunction on the removals. You mentioned corals, true they are endangered but the problem we face is if they are classified as essential habitat for corals, the days of throwing a rig hook on a platform are over. You haven't fished offshore for 40 years so you didn't have any skin in the game. Now it's hurting you directly. You became aware of it a couple of weeks ago, now you guys want CCA with its limited funds because you don't support them have the government put a stop to it overnight? And if they can't get it done in a week, you reiterate that you haven't given them a dime in years. Sad
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Devils advocate or motley fool
What's sad is saying an ally has no skin in the game. CCA limited funds? Star is the richest fishing tournament in the country.
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Vitter and lobbying
Where's the proof? Yeah sad.
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Proof
I'm guessing your one of those guys how mom did all his homework for him so nobody would make fun of him.
Step 1 google ccalouisiana. com
Step 2 click on Press releases tab
Step 3 read or get somebody to read to you
Step 4 come back and apologize
By second page, I was at 5 press releases dealing idle iron. Not counting newsletters and snapper issues. July newsletter has a picture of Senator Vitter inside of CCA office, is that enough proof?
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Peledet and Cajun315 and rhall
Here are some of the links slanderer:

http://news.joincca.org/tag/idle-iron/

http://www.joincca.org/issues/24

Here's a quote from Vitter to put a nail in your coffin: “More than ever we need to create habitat for marine life in the Gulf, not dispose of it,” said Sen. Vitter. “These idle rigs are serving a valuable purpose by supporting our fisheries, and it just doesn’t make sense to remove them. I appreciate the Coastal Conservation Association for bringing this issue to my attention so we can reach a reasonable outcome that benefits the fish and the fishermen.”

You guys are full out retards. Now apologize.

Also, please show me any other group that publicizes all of their specific lobbying actions. You are naive if you think an organization is going to show their entire lobbying hand through publicity. Yet you come on here and bash one of the only good things going between you and the fishing resource.

Sorry if you can't afford the $50 entry fee to fish a 3 month tournament. Must suck to be poor.
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July? CCA newsletter march 2013
CCC working with Vitter. CCA says 'We agree' Wowzers. Not going to argue with people with lame excuses. 'limited funds'. Right off the bat.
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Failed Again
Motorboat...your name calling is quit silly. Socrates was so correct.

Devil's Ad....if you have so much proof why the personal attacks?

Why can you not answer my questions and where was CCA when Vitter asked for support in committee?

Remember my facts are public record, not created as a self-serving prop on a website.

I do however believe the most lamest argument has been made in this thread. CCA is the ultimate group because it has a picture in its office of David Vitter. WOW, exactly what does that prove.
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Rhall
Where were you when Vitter asked for support? Maybe you were in jail for stealing your client's money? Maybe you were feeding your horse.

What exactly is your beef? What would be done to appease you?

ETA: Why haven't you denied your alter status?
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ss 26
Hey guys lets back up a little bit. These personal attacks aren't doing anyone any good and are under mining the purpose of this post to begin with. I just want to bring attention to this rig removal in the hope someone could possible stop/alter it. I really don't care who it might be to stop. CCA, PETA, NRA, Vitter, Obama. But the name calling and finger pointing won't help.
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Bay Marchand
I posted this last year. At that time less the half of the rig in the Bay Marchand were gone. I sure by now they have cleaned house on the remaining. This Field is just east of the Pickets.
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Thanks
Capt. Rick you are so right. If we lack any untied front we lose. But anytime motorboat cannot support his earlier false statements he resorts to name calling.

Motorboat...It is not necessary for me to answer you when your comments are so crazy. I am me and no one else.

As to where I was when Vitter asked for support, I was where I was suppose to me. Nope, I was not there, but again, I do not charge one out of every 7 Louisiana fisherman to enter a tourney, with a promise of representation then fail miserably on that promise.

Remember, and if you like, check this thread. You stated that CCA did something, then admitted you had no specifics.

As to clients and hroses, really that is so bazarre I do not know how to answer you. Nor does it have anything to do with this thread or your relunctancy to answer my questions, which do have something to do with this thread.

However, I was back stage for the jazz fest and took a picture with Willy Nelson and Fleetwood Mac. If I followd the logic above, I guess if I hang the pictures in my office, I become a professional musician.

You again continue to prove Socrates correct.
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I'm done
I'm not going to fight with you guys over this issue. I've been working on this for a while, and I can't convey how frustrating the process is dealing with these yahoos. CCA has supported our lawmakers, but I think we all know where LA stands in the eyes of the rest of the nation, not to mention what the public thinks about big oil. I can assure all of you CCA is working diligently to stop this nonsense. If you don't want to support CCA, donate to Towers of Life. And continue writing your reps, and if you have buddies in another state, have them write theirs also.
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Question
To devil's advocate...It appears you are reasonable in your post, unlike motorboat who makes these wild allegations without any support to them.

I have one question, and it is the same that I asked motorboat. What work has CCA done dilegently (your word) on this issue. Not some generic vague response. Please tell us what it has done and when?
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rhall
Please tell me what you have done and when in regard to the idle iron issue. Hanging out with a bunch of washed up musicians doesn't count.

You know who you are and so does everyone else. Soon enough you'll threaten me through email, Keith. You can't help yourself.

ETA: Also, in what industry do you work since disbarment? Oil and gas service? Have any financial interest in destroying rigs?
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Motorboat
You are in serious need of medicine or theraphy or both.

You facts about me are as baselss as your facts about CCA. Look, if you really care about this group, you would quit making them look so pathetic with your unfounded personal attacks. Surely that is all you can do since you have no facts in support of your organization---you admitted that earlier.

I want to thank you for what I had assumed of you, your lack of intelligence and reading comprehension. The part about me with musicians was an analogy to the post about Vitter's picture at CCA offices. Sorry, I should have realize that would go way, way over your head.

I will not consume this post (a very good and important one) with your stupidity. If you have something to tell me, please email me directly.

All the fans of Socrates thank you for proving his philosphy correct for the third time in less than 24 hours.

To devil's ad...I eagerly await your response.
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Rhall
I don't have time to go grab dates, that information is scattered throughout the press releases. Filed injunction thru the courts, had Reps from TX and LA file bills to to stop it, Sen Vitter and Gov Perry also wrote to various parties to halt the process. Vitter submitted bill to halt the process. If you are following the snapper issue, you know the Feds don't account for the snapper on artificial structures. Snapper are allegedly overfished and they guys removing them are killing them by the ton. One would think something would click with the boneheads in charge, but it appears now they are mad we're making them look dumb.
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Thanks for response!
To Devil's ad......thank you for your response. I do agree with you as to issues regarding snapper. As always, any time feds get involve a migraine is forthcoming. However, based upon public records, I disagree with what you stated about CCA and the rigs-to-reefs program.

Thus, we agree to disagree! However, I do respect your opinion.
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rhall
What do you disagree with him on? If he said CCA grabbed Obama's hand and signed the law repealing the law that required removal of rigs, you still wouldn't be happy.

What ever happened to the organization your were going to start where every single dollar went to conservation? Didn't work out did it?
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We saved it!!!!!
Can't say for sure if we had anything to do with it, but I like to think so. Let's go fishing!!!!
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Yep
http://www.nola.com/outdoors/index.ssf/2013/05/apache_reaches_deal_with_wildl.html#incart_river_default
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