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CCA Treated Lumber Hazardous To Your Health

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I have seen a few postings of the wonderful catches of fish here lately. I have noticed that some of the postings have photos of fish laid out on the docks or on cleaning tables for those fabulous photos. Please note that these fish are not to be consumed--even in SMALL amounts if they are placed on or cleaned on CCA treated lumber. The poisons used for the treatment of lumber can be fatal.

I had hired a guide, about two months ago, that was going to clean our catch for us at the end of the day. I did not know where he was going to clean them--I just knew he was going to clean them for us. I was busy getting my gear and my truck packed then walked back to his boat parked at the dock and found him cleaning our fish on the dock on some newly installed treated lumber. I guess I should have said something, but I just grabbed my bag of fillets when he was finished and slipped them into the dumpster on the ride out of the parking lot.

I can surely think of a lot of better ways to die than from being poisoned to death. It is incredible, but a single 12 foot 2 x 6 contains about 27 grams of Arsenic - enough arsenic to kill 250 adults. Burning CCA wood releases the chemical bond holding Arsenic in the wood, and just one tablespoon of ash from a CCA wood fire contains a lethal dose of Arsenic. Worse yet, Arsenic gives no warning, it does not have a specific taste or odor to warn you of its presence. No one disputes that the ash from burning CCA wood is highly toxic. It is illegal to burn CCA wood in all 50 states.

Arsenic can be absorbed through the skin, inhaled or ingested. One-tenth of a gram (that isn't much) accumulated over a two month period can produce death, and arsenic is carcinogenic at much lower levels.

There is no one set of symptoms. Different people respond differently, depending on how much exposure they get, and by what means. Just to name a few: Swallowing or inhaling low levels of arsenic can result in stomach ache, nausea, vomiting and diarrhea. It can also result in decreased production of red and white blood cells, which may cause fatigue, abnormal heart rhythm, blood-vessel damage resulting in bruising, and impaired nerve function. One of the early warning signs of arsenic poisoning is a "pins and needles" sensation in hands and feet. Long-term oral exposure to arsenic can result in skin changes including a darkening of the skin and the appearance of small "corns" or "warts" on the palms, soles, and torso. Other signs and symptoms include skin thickening, fluid accumulation (resulting in puffiness) especially around the lower eyelids, face and ankles, diarrhea, garlic breath, perspiration, excessive salivation, generalized itching, oral inflammation, sore throat, runny nose, excessive tearing, numbness, skin inflammation, hair loss, weakness, and loss of appetite. Arsenic can also cause a range of neurological effects, including headaches and vision problems. It can cause noticeable behavioral changes, most commonly aggression or depression, Enzyme inhibitor, anorexia, chronic anemia, drowsiness, dermatitis, stomatitis, liver dysfunction, hair loss, headache, vertigo, fever, stupor, herpes, jaundice, fluid loss, throat constriction, spasms, respiratory tract infection, garlicky odor to stool, keritosis, pallor, goiter.

If you have a concern of possible ingestion of arsenic, please see your physician so that a bloodwork can be done to check your arsenic level. The speciman will probably have to be sent to a special lab for the testing and it will take a couple of days to get the results. If you don't believe that treated lumber is dangerous--look it up yourself on the internet. Please, everyone--be careful! I just felt I needed to let everyone that may be interested have knowledge of just how dangerous this stuff is. I am not pointing fingers at anyone in particular, just concerned for people who are not aware of this danger.

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   Gurise
some bad s@#$ man..thanks
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I thought everyone knew about arsenic in treated wood.
Lumber with CCA has been around since like 1930 or something. Chances are if you have a deck that is older than 10 or so years, it is treated with arsenic. I would not worry about intact fish sitting on the dock. Even without the arsenic, I do not know if I would want to eat fish cleaned on the floor of a dock. Personally, I would be much more worried about my small children playing for years on a deck treated with arsenic, or a raised vegetable garden which has lumber treated with arsenic as a border.
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   MallardZ
If you really want to know about treated wood, read the Material Safety Data Sheet from Lowes or HD. It is amazing the number of people that will go buy this wood without gloves and then stop somewhere for lunch without washing their hands. The wood preservative is usually still VERY present in the stacks of lumber and readily absorbent that way. Take gloves when your handling this product at all times, ESPECIALLY when it is fresh !!!!!
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   southnboy
last weekend I went to go buy some 3/4 plywood to make sides on my trailor and Lowes will not cut treated wood. They told me then that they cannot put the dust in the air and expose employees to the Poison. I thought he was nuts and being a lazy a$$ and did not want to help me move the heavier wood.

I guess there is something to it.

When cutting lots of treated lumber i do notice I drink more BEER. I wonder if that is a side effect also....
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Great info Geaux Coastal! I have encountered some of the same situations and I understand where you are coming from! I myself would not prefer my fish cleaned on wood treated with arsenic. However, some don't realize what treated wood is acutally treated with....so thank you for the info so all is aware and will more careful in the future. Watch out for the yellow tag on the end that lets one know if the lumber is treated.

When is that new boat you ordered going to be here? Hope you can reserve a spot for me on that 24' Bay Champ so I can show you how to reel 'em in. HaHaHa.

Fish on!
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The treated industry has undergone alot of change in the last few years.CCA(copper chromate arsenate) treated which we have been accustom to for decades has been replaced with the new treatment "ACQ" largely because of overblown environmental concerns from lawsuits on the West Coast in the mid 1980's. Some concerns from extreme activists was ground water contamination One suit actually was dismissed when the claimant stated they were poisoned by the chemicals when they had removed a splinter.
Omose and "Wolmanized" treaters had always issued precautions for preparing food stuffs on its surfaces.Washing hands after contact and before eating foods should be a practice with anything.
Currently ,only timbers(4 x 4's and larger) are being treated with the CCA. ACQ treatments even at heavier.60 and above retentions are not as effective as a .40 CCA(above or below ground contact) and less cost effective. All dimensional lumber and deck boards are being treated with ACQ with .25 above ground or .40 below ground contact. Drawbacks to the new ACQ?--treatment leaches out quicker and it is more caustic- limiting the types of fastners you can use. To overcome this pitfall- treaters are now recommending the "borate" treatment for sole plates against termite protection.
When the treated industry started decades ago it provided good protection from termites-rot-fungus. As demand and products changed the CCA was pushed to its limits.Now with ACQ only time will tell--but it has already been proven not as effective.
The same suit activists have been linked to anti logging concerns and refuse to envision sustainable and renewable forests for future generations.
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WOW!....Give Mike a soap box (made out of wood, of course) and the lumber salesman really comes out of him www.huntnfish.com
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Glad you reminded all of the yellow tag that is sometimes found on the treated lumber-forgot about that.

In reference to the new boat....I almost can't wait till it gets here, but there isn't much I can do except wait. I am so tired of looking like The Beverly Hillbillies when I go fishing in my current boat/bathtub.

You know you will have a spot on my new boat. I can hardly wait for it to get here. I think I'll take off work for two weeks (maybe more) after it gets here and broke in. Get your poles ready and some beer in stock, cause it won't be long--about 3 more weeks. Watch out LA. Coast--here we come!!!
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Thanks for the very informative post. I am headed to Venice for five days of "Marsh Madness" and will certainly make this a topic of discussion among the other writers and captains attending. You can bet I'll take a close look at the new cleaning table at Venice Marina also.

Thanks again!
Susan
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GEAUX COASTAL,That post is a monument to you,it applied to all with no selfishness to yourself....well done,Pete
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So, Are ACQ treatments safe for human contact? Please excuse me if someone has already answered this question.
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   pop
it is confirmed that taking 2 viagra and 2 cealis together you will not have a wood problem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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It is copper based. Copper's level of toxicity is low to humans. It takes very high levels in solution, like drinking water, to cause any problems. Even when high levels are ingested, the symptoms are not very serious. The amount of copper that leaches out from ACQ lumber is very small, and should not pose any threat. I believe it would have to be ingested to cause problems, and as I said, at very high levels. As far as I know, absorption through the skin is not a concern.
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