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More Mud Boats. . . . LESS DUCKS

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One logical explanation for decrease in numbers of ducks killed in Delacroix is more people with mud boats. Duck hunters dont respect others property and just ride straight through the marsh instead of going down canals used primary for years. On Friday late afternoons some people feel the need to run through ALL the marsh land within a 2 mile radius on their leased/family's land to see how many ducks they see. The problem is that when the flocks of birds dodge the duck boats they are headed due south scared and sky high. Some feel that this is fun and necessary for the upcoming Saturday morning hunt. Many times this season when I was hunting the private land that I hunt a few nice duck hunters waive at me as they go through my decoys traveling from their hunting area straight back to the camps or launch. At least they waived! Thanks Bud to all my fellow duck hunting neighbors.
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   JIMMY W
That's me I just love to ride around in my mudboat!Sometimes I start riding before daylight and ride till after dark!!I try and ride through every pond in southeast La.at least once every weekend!!Love to ride!!
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   JIMMY W
Hey,Sometimes I will ride in a circle in middle of pond until I run out of gas!Just love to ride!
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Weather we want to admit it or not, the only ones we can blame for the lack of ducks, and how hard they have become to kill is ourselves. they are over hunted. Just like any animal they will seek out the areas with less pressure, but with the mud motors they have now and the absurd amount of people hunting them the past 4 years those areas are becoming scarce. don't expect the federal department to step in either. its all about the almighty dollar these days and every company that has to do with hunting is making more money than ever. Fishing is heading in the same direction also. sooner or later the problem will fix itself and the only ones we will have to blame for it will be ourselves.
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Needs to grow up and accept the facts instead of making stupid kiddie comments. The motors are a problem and will be a big problem going forward.
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If you don't want them on your property the set some traps and put up signs. Sunken unmarked crab traps, Cinder blocks with barbed wire strung between could really get people to begin to respect your property. Not saying you should do it, but the wire thing really works for our troops keeping the enemey out of the wires.
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   Marc P
The problem isnt the use of mud boats at all. I have a Go Devil and absolutely love it. I also try my best to respect everyone and ride through main canals. The mentality of some people is the root of the problem. As you have just read the idiots just 'ride in circles in the middle of the pond till they run out of gas.' These people need to find another hobby before they hurt themselves.
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   JIMMY W
I be riding tomorrow again!!
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I don't have one yet but will soon. It's the only way to hunt these days.
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   Barnes_53
Marc P....how do you get to your property in the marsh?
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the problem isnt the mudboats. its these Robertson wannabe's that didnt grow up hunting and fishing and werent taught respect of wildlife and others by thier parents. in the last 3 years i have watched big branch marsh and a private lease i hunt fall because of these people. ive watched them run through my decoys at shooting time. crank up boats and ride at 8am because they get bored. hollering, screaming, shooting 12 3 and half inch shells at 2 ducks half a mile away.blowing kazoos the entire time. ive watched them shoot pelicans, seagulls, flap-n-glides. and everything they see. i even had a guy sneak into my pond in a pirogue and start hunting over my decoys while i was on the other side of the pond. ive had to rescue a group of kids in a sinking boat this season because they had no sense, the problem is education and people mentality toward others. not the mud boats
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as everone says its not the guns that kill its the idiots behind them, do you want your guns taken away? NO well same goes for everything else including mud motors, i do agree it has made a difference and the ducks are more pressured but the people benind them are to blame not the product. kids will always have less respect than adults in a boat, and it seems ther are alot of young people getting into duck hunting so if your hunting public land you will just have to deal with it private land you just rope off with drums.
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opening weekend in venice first split. arrived friday am around 8:30am. rode all over the management area, decent numbers of ducks in most areas. built a blind in a pond with around 5,000 ducks in it. every time we would leave the pond to get more willow, we came back to found about 100 ducks around the blind. all day more hunters arrived and were riding through the ponds, running out the ducks. Saturday morning arrived and i will stake my name on it, less them 500 ducks came back. the only thing i can figure out was all the boat traffic ran them off.
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   JIMMY W
Did some mud riding in Big Branch all day today and jumped plenty groups of Teal!!
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   Marsh Mud
Unfortunately, the boats aren’t the problem. You can see the same behavior in traffic, at work, or shopping just as someone mentioned fishing. It seems like there’s a boat collision every time you turn around in the Hopedale area. I’ve hunted the notorious Pearl River WMA for 20 years and before mud boats people still called nonstop, shot ducks a mile high, and setup on top of you. The Robertson’s aren’t the problem either. In the early 90s hunting wasn’t that great on the Pearl but in the mid-nineties it got good so more people started hunting. I’m not going to complain about more people hunting because at one time we all were new to hunting and I’ve hunted since the age of 4. The real problem is the so called adults that act like children. I read a report earlier this year where three drunken guys came in and setup on top of a guy then threatened to shoot his dog. The game warden that did nothing about this let us down. He said he couldn’t do anything because they were not under power. He should have camped out on them until they did leave. They do this when someone is suspected of spotlighting. He could have called in other wardens and rotated a few hours at a time. I know they aren’t there to parent but this was a dangerous situation for everyone hunting that morning. I stopped taking my daughter to the management area because of it so believe me I understand why your upset. When I was 20 my crew partied hard but we never drank and hunted. I didn’t get to hunt last year so I got out of my lease this year but I will be back in one next year. Don’t blame the equipment blame the people and let's show young and new hunters how to respectfully hunt. Anyone that hunts with me will hunt ethically or they'll do it with someone else. That'll be a few less disrespectful people to hunt with. The equipment makes it easier to be a moron but if you get rid of one piece they’ll find another way. By the way I'm a first year mud boater.
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   fowlfish
Its funny that people with mud boats think everybody else with a mud boat it the problem
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Its easy to be a hypocrite so we must look back at ourselves and what we are doing. Let's make sure we aren't performing any of those same actions that we blame on others'. I know that air cooled engines are having some effect on where birds are holding, but i take a comfortable ride to the blind and back to the launch in one every hunting trip so i don't criticize too much. I think that's the main point. Unless you are slaving away in a pirogue every hunting trip, it doesn't pay to bash mudboats and surfacedrives, etc. What we can try to do is just get away from the crowd.
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i agree, we are all the problem. proof is in my prior post, i ran them off four times myself while building the blind. while hunting public land, you have to scout to find a place to hunt , its the nature of the beast. if there was any one thing that cold be done to ease the pressure, limit access in the afternoon. however, i would myself would no want this. second split, we were killing ducks in the afternoon on the rising tide.
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I dont believe mud boats are the problem. Yes, if you ride into a pond 30 times a day the birds are not going to keep going back, they will go find another pond to rest with less pressure. The problem this year is the birds just arent coming down far enough south. The birds sitting in arkansas have no clue about the 100 mud boats riding around every WMA every day, these mud boats arent keeping them from coming down. When I scout my ponds I always idle a few hundred yards to the pond so I can get close enough to see them but not scare them away. Now im sure there are 50 other boats that fly by it on a daily basis but hey, thats public land for ya. As many others have stated its not the boat, its the operators. Many people did not learn the 'right' way to hunt.
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   Marsh Mud
You're right the ducks aren't coming down, but I think they will in the next year or two. Growing up on a dairy I’ve always been in tune with the weather. In the early 90s we had cold wet weather so hunting was good through about 1998. After 1998 we went into a drought causing severe saltwater intrusion into the marshes burning the grass up. The storms that came in the 2000s had the same affect so the ducks didn’t have anything to eat for a number of years. Over the last couple years we’ve had a little colder wetter weather. We actually have periods of cold weather that last longer than a day. Now the ducks have to change their patterns just as the weather has. It almost seems like it all cycles in 5 to 10 year periods. Listening to people talk hunters in the 60s 70s and 80s dealt with the same things we’re dealing with now. I believe we’re headed for some good years in the near future. Hopefully, I’m right.
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There will always be someone willing to step on your toes. I got up early as can be last weekend. had the intention of sneaking into my button bush hole on the miss river side of the WMA i hunt. The river is up so its only accessible by boat. I could have easily hooked up my bato and took the easy way out. Instead i put the pirogue in my truck with the intention of 'slipping' in there un noticed. On the backside of this whole is a great roost spot that the ducks find every year. Mind you, I have only been duck hunting for 6 years, and hunting squirrels/rabbits/hogs since i was young. For those that think shooting up a roost is the norm for a great day are idiots!! Find the flight path and hunt off the roost. As long as you don't shoot it up they will always come back. I have shot 5 banded woodies in three years like this. two in two days and two in one day this year. instead of rumbling through with the nato and motor i put the pirogue in, said a prayer for the dangerous stunt i was about to pull and got going. In a 12 foot gator trax pirogue 8 decoys in a slotted bag,backpack,shotgun a mesh blind cover-to cover myself,couple snacks, I'm loaded to capacity with a life jacket on. The water is roughly 18 foot deep and a good way away from the main part of the river, no current. Either way its dangerous going through tree tops for 300 yards with the water being so cold. I get close to the hole find my way in and set up. Almost have the last decoy out and i hear a motor,A gator tail. Looked back and noticed they had come through and flagged a way in just outside of where i came in. Sound gets closer and closer until they come in the hole about 10 mph with me in the middle. If someone beats me to a spot I ALWAYS turn away! They were one step ahead and earned that spot for the day, not these guys!! Shinned these idiots with my headlight, shinned myself in the pirogue so they could see. Never slowed down and insisted they were going to hunt there too. c'mon, after all, they flagged a route in, that makes it theres!! After almost flipping me over they go around the button bush and set up right in the roost. No joke, less than 50 yards away!!! A couple bushes between us but very close. They are also in between me and the direction the ducks are coming from. They start setting up and when it gets quiet i asked them if they were serious, no response. shouted out again and said they could have came over ,as a group, since i was alone. Nothing! They shot at all the ducks that were coming right in my lane, were loud and obnoxious seeming very happy at what they were doing. Then i hear a couple cans pop and that indistinct slurp of beer foam. It was just speculation for a little while until i heard one say 'pass me a beer'. I called in a few ducks they shot out 75 + yards only to miss and deter me from getting my limit. I couldn't take anymore,i packed up and screamed at them that they needed to be taught some respect. 'Don't dare call yourselves ,sportsmen, y'all aren't even close' Red in the face and frustrated i could only think about getting even. Calmed down by the time i made it to the truck and let it go, went home. Theres something about the hunters with mud boats. No offense to you guys but they act as if they're unlimited for everything. unlimited to where they can go so since we made it we can be unlimited to everything else. It happens everywhere i go.. whether it be fishing around the house or hunting. there is ALWAYS someone ruining the day in their mud boat!! you can say its not the boat it doesn't drive itself, thats right. if you own one you are part of the problem!!!!!!
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   MrAutin
'i packed up and screamed at them that they needed to be taught some respect' isn't that ironic? I get it, honestly I do, but...

I have a mud motor, guess I'm part of the problem. Even took it out on two trips this year. Once so I could fit under the train bridges getting into Lake Bouf and once to bring my sister's bf who didn't own waders. The other 15 or so trips I took the outboard and a pirouge, but as stated above I still fit as part of the problem.

We all have our frustrations with other hunters at times. I had it for teal season on The Delta. We have limited access areas where internal combustion engines are prohibited. We paddle/drag a pirouge in a couple hundred yards to see a mud boat with a popup set up about 70-100 yards from the blind we had set up. Yes, they beat us there for obvious reasons. It's easy to see where other walk/paddle in hunters will be in our area but impossible to predict seeing a mudboat on the limited access area.

If it wasn't mud motors it would be something else. I think that the limited access areas is a huge step in the right direction giving us 'old school' types an area to work with. I don't know if they have them on all wmas but I'd love to see it, the larger the better.
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   MEV
Again, because of our poor season this year fingers are pointed at one of the tools we have available to hunt ducks. Most hunters, even the ones with mud boats, are nice guys and just want to experience a good hunt. Unfortunately a few people who want to be 'duck hunters' also think that they are 'entitled' to do whatever they want to make a hunt. We all see these people everyday on the public highways displaying all of their arrogance. In our society we see these spoiled and it's all about me people who believe it is their right to ignore other citizens to satisfy themselves.
So what do we do? The problem is not the tool but the user. If we are going to blame the tools then don't forget the guns these same people use to 'skybust' ducks. Why should the majority of hunters suffer because of a few idiots.
A couple of years ago I attended a public WL&F meeting concerning a proposed LAA for a local management area I hunt since it opened. I opposed the LAA at that time and still do for the same reasons I feel that the mud boats are not the problem now. Even before mud boats, when we all paddled in with a pirogue, sometimes we still saw overcrowded conditions and we still had the same 'entitled' individuals out in the hunting area. You can't fix 'STUPID'.
Guys, I don't care what mode of transportation is used to access a marsh area the ducks will move and adapt. If the area has feed those birds are going to come back. Why are the birds still north of us even with all of the horrible weather and the hunting pressure? It's the abundant food available. Check out the websites for some of the clubs north of us, especially Kansas.
If we had ducks down here now, we would not be having these conversations.
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Yes i said screamed about some respect but not top of my lungs screaming. I get what you're saying. I did play a part in the problem with my attitude/actions. It very frustrating!! This season is terrible and i hope none of us are on here having these talks next year.
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does anyone have info on the harvest numbers of limited access areas vs those non-LAAs? Also, if they will be increasing acreage of any of the limited LAAs?
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Mud motors are not the problem. It is the improper use of mud motors that is the problem. If people used them in places where they could use outboards then the ducks would have sanctuary. Currently with wetland errosion, everyone is running through everyone else's lease to get to their spots. So guns and mudboats are not the issue, it is the jackass on the other end that is the problem. Kinda like the gun argument. Good Luck with the rest of the season.
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   MEV
Duckhunter 89. I doubt that any information concerning where ducks are killed in public areas is available. I can tell you from my personal experience, that on the LAA in Manchac there are NO birds at all. I hunted only one day this week there and again did not see one bird. I have only killed two ducks out there this year. Also, I have not seen any coots that are normally in that area by the thousands.
Big Branch does not allow any mud motors at all and there are no birds in that area either now. The problem is much bigger and more complex than transportation modes used to access areas. You can't run ducks out of a area if they are not there anyway.
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   MrAutin
I have no clue how to access the information but when they are out there checking harvest on the WMA they are specifying whether or not you hunt the LAA. So the numbers you want are out there somewhere.
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first off I own a mud motor and I know what they do. a duck don't stand a chance anymore, theres not one spot from canarvon to delecroix where you can go and not have some one running around jumping ducks. the ducks wont stay. its not the exhaust or any of that bullshit, its stupid people who want to ride around and look at ducks and wonder why there not there the next day. I wish they would ban mud motors period. there would be about 10% of the people still hunting bc it actually takes some brains to run a outboard.
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   JIMMY W
Mudboats=Greenheads!
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I love that you act like a fool in this forum and then use a stolen picture to try to talk big. Also, I thought you were a representative of GTR motors, but the way you act on here I would fire you for being an idiot! Please act professional if you want people to purchase your product. I think GTR motors are great, but would consider not purchasing because of your poor representation. Please adjust your tone!
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   rocknet
I stopped duck hunting in the late 70's.....it just wasn't the same as when I grew up, and the plant I worked for was basically a 7 day a week work deal. If I had a chance to steal a few hours, I hooked up the boat and went fishing. I love to fish in the dead of winter, but I do not go out until almost noon in a lot of areas where guys are hunting ducks. I have not seen many ducks at all this year in the Salvador area...has to be something with areas above us stopping ducks I guess. When I did hunt, I loved jumping ducks in potholes...it was hard walking and rough hunting, but loved it. I never owned a motorized duck boat, I always brought my pirouge out with my outboard/boat and push poled to my spots. I have nothing against motorized duck boats, but I watch hunters when I can, and most like to run all over with them, and that can be a problem. The LW&F noticed this also on WMA, and that is why they went to Restricted Areas on some of the WMA, ( no combustion engines). When Lake Cataouatche had plenty of grass, they placed the tank pond and back pond/marsh as restricted areas, and this area held ducks the entire season. A lot of folks raised hell about the restriction, but it had a positive effect. The really good hunters only use their motorized boats to get to their area, then hardly crank it up.
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   Yakdaddy
Yeah, we had a mud boat problem over here in bayou pigeon. We solved it by rounding up our posse' and waiting at the landing and fist fighting everyone that showed up in a mud boat.
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   swampnuts
The areas delineated as LAAs on Atchafalaya Delta, Manchac, Pass a Loutre, Pointe aux Chenes and Salvador WMAs will be restricted from the first of September through the end of January.

LAAs are posted with signage at access points and around the perimeter. Any vessel with a movable outdrive system may enter a LAA as long as the boat’s internal combustion engine is trimmed up out of the water in an inoperable position. Vessels with fixed props must adhere to the no operation rule. Trolling motors may be used to access and navigate within a LAA while hunting or fishing.

As I told you that morning we push poled in, Thanks for setting up on top of us and ruining our day. You could have set up somewhere else, we got there first. Building a blind on game land doesn't guarantee you a spot, how were we supposed to know yall were hunting this blind that morning?
DIK MOVE DUDE.
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   GameOver
Autin
You are the problem, as stated above I was with swamp nuts the morning we beat u in the laa in which we compete legally made entrance. You forgot to mention how u shot a wood duck during teal season knowingly. You watch it land in our decoys swim around pick up go land in your decoys swim around very audible and clearly a wood duck before u shot it on the water. I would of figured someone of your age would have more respect for the sport. Just bc the teenagers behind us were mowing wood ducks all morning doesn't make it right for u to as well
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   MrAutin
No unauthorized entry or unauthorized hunting in restricted areas, refuges or limited
access areas, unless otherwise specified.(pg 37 Hunting Regulations)

LIMITED ACCESS AREAS (LAA):
Operation of internal combustion
engines prohibited within designated
area. Trolling motors may be used to
access and navigate within a LAA.(pg 45)

Limited Access Area: No internal combustion engines allowed from September
through January. See WMA map for specific location.(pg 50)

These are the only regulations I've been able to find regarding the LAAs so forgive me for not understanding how it was right for you guys to be there. I just rechecked the hunting regulations booklet and this is all I can find regarding the matter. No ic engines allowed is as simple as it gets to me. If there is a better break down of the regulation out there then I'm truly sorry but I can only go off of the information that I can find and based on that info ya'll should not have been in there. Can you paste a link to the additional reg info or point out the page in the reg book?

That being said, the only reason I set up as I did is due to the fact that I did not believe you should have been there. Take a couple hundred yard paddle/drag and see how happy you are finding someone you don't feel belongs there when you make it through. No, I don't feel that the blind gave me the right-of-way that morning and in other circomstances would have gladly relocated.

'how were we supposed to know yall were hunting this blind that morning?'
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   GameOver
LAA limit the 'USE' of ICC engines. not prohibt them from being there.
http://www.wlf.louisiana.gov/news/32994

how do you think we felt having some jackleg screw up our hunt just bc he didnt know the rules...

now please explain where in the regulation it says where it is ok for you to shoot wood ducks during teal season....
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In LAA areas you are not allowed to use your ICC engine. It must be raised out of the water and not in use. So unless you push poled in, paddled in or used a trolling motor how did you get to your spot???
I hope you did not think it meant you could use your ICC engine a little bit????
Please follow the law and or rules as stated. You do not want to go before a federal judge and explain you did not understand?
Please tell us how you got to your spot??? We are all curious!!!!
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   swampnuts
Why dont you read above where I said we push poled in?
Lack of ability to read may be the issue with some people not understanding the law.
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   GameOver
swampnut nailed it, people refuse to read anymore. it is 100% legal to push pole, paddle, trolling motor, or walk a boat with a ICC engine on it into a LAA.

common sense aint so common anymore....
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   Bud Light
Gameover and Swampnuts are 100% correct. In the Manchac Prairie,you can push poll or run a trolling motor anywhere. Just trim mm out of the water. It is slow and painfull but legal.
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you should try figure 8s instead of the circles! stirs em up better!!
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   MrAutin
'Release Date: 10/08/2010

The Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries (LDWF) reminds anyone using coastal wildlife management areas (WMA) with designated limited access areas (LAAs) that operation of boats with internal combustion engines, within those LAAs, is restricted throughout the 2010-11 fall and winter waterfowl hunting season.'

If anyone has information regarding the 2013-14 season that would be greatly appreciated as I have cited all I could find in the 2013-14 Hunting Reg Booklet in a previous post.
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   gator22
Team ta sin sounds like you got em. Maybe you need a tampon
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   MrAutin
'how were we supposed to know yall were hunting this blind that morning?'

Generally speaking, a well/freshly brushed blind will be hunted on opening day.
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   MrAutin
I shot once that morning at a gw teal. I missed, and actually went on to not kill a bird, woodduck or other, for the remainder of teal season. I did get some good pics of a drake wooddie on the last trip though...

I'm not on here to defend actions of any other grown man/hunter so if you want to talk to someone about shooting birds out of season I suggest you talk to the ones doing it.

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