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Going on my first yak trip in grand isle june 26 and 27. Going to do some night fishing by the bridge thursday night and then hit the marshes on side of highway 1 behind elmers isle friday morning. this will be my first time out there so if anyone has some advice or would like to share some places they have had success i am all ears any tips would be greatly appreciated I am super excited to finally get out there and do some salt water fishing Ive only been able to do fresh water fishing with my kayak so far and ive caught some bass and been loving it really excited to hopefully hook up to some reds
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I've caught some nice flounder in the little bayou that runs from Elmer's Island Bridge to the beach. Caught 1 and missed 3 last Thursday on Matrix shad green hornet fishing from the bank. Have done well in the past on DD blue moon. The flounders were right in the weeds by the bank.
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If you launch at bayou laurier and go north, there is endless marsh and sight fishing for reds is a cinch. Its just a matter of finding em hungry. I had multiple successful trips there, but the last one was a skunk. Saw plenty of fish, they just didn't want to eat.
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thanks for the tip.... my buddy wants to go try the cut by elmers island try to catch some trout so im gonna go there for a little bit but im more interested in going hit the marshes and try for some reds
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Thinking about trying the spot surftalker posted. Might hit it in the morning. If you or anyone is interested let me know asap and we can give it a shot.
If the bite is good, might stay a night and try again in the morning or move back up to Laurier.
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   mauimark
I'm thinking about going tomorrow. Got a new yak and wanna try it out. Basic set up but I know how to fish. Not sure if my friend is going with me so I wouldn't mind possibly fishing with someone else. If not I'll pound my roadside spots.
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I went this morning with plans for working the canal banks and then the south shore of the island and then back. The south wind was blowing I'm guessing 15 knots steady. About a 1-2 ft chop in the bay. Needles to say- stayed in the canals surftalker talked about. Nothing but croakers and very small hardheads on dead shrimp.
On the way out I stopped at Bayou Laurier and 2 yakers said they caught a few trout but all small.
If the wind stays like this be careful if you go out there.
Contemplating Shell Beach or Hopedale in the morning.
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yeah weather was bad thursday night was able to fish on the bridge some no specs in site all white trout got up at 530 friday morning and the radar showed rain all morning long so i wasnt able to go out possibly might be able to make a trip out there this wednesday or thursday
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From LA1 to the beach (south of LA1) is private property from Bayou Laurier to Bayou Moreau in Fourchon. Just FYI there has been about 10 people warned and 5-6 arrested in the last 2 months (that I've dealt with.. i'm the property owner). So, spread the word to the fellow kayakers unless they want trespass/poaching charge to avoid the area.
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Maxcheramie, how can you own that water, its navigable and tidal waters! I have a right to fish and hunt it

- signed Lordbud
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Lordbud. The property was purchased in the 40's. There is one public canal. that is the one on the side of the road that is about 15' wide. All of the inland marsh was once ridge. Erosion doesn't turn private property into your right to hunt/fish oasis. There is a pipeline canal that is a right of way. There is the two canals I listed in my last posting. If you want to challenge Louisiana Law knowledge against a fellow property owner who is a lawyer. Come on over and test the waters like the others. I assure you that your RIGHTS aren't what you think you have.

Im not trying to be a dick, but you don't own property therefore you have no clue what you are talking about. If you owned a 4 million dollar piece of land I'm sure you would learn land laws. This is not state land. Its private property.
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   TurtleNO
I respect landowners rights, but I hope they change that law and I do believe it will one day. All it is doing is making less and less water available to fish.
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Thats all it balls down to. If all water was public why would people lease duck hunting property? Or camp property? in the millions and millions of private acres of swamps and marshes in louisiana. I mean the laws will never change because If they turned private into public. Then the law makers would have to purchase the property from the owners/heirs. And right now Louisiana can't even give teachers their retirements that they were promised after working 30 years in the schooling system.

I don't have a problem bringing anyone fishing with me as a guest. Ive brought multiple people off of the sportsman fishing in the past, But using the property like its yours to use. Thats where the issue is.
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   cliret
Hey Max,

I have fished that area long ago. I was told by someone that it was private so I left. Didn't know it was private. What are the coordinates of the entire property so I can stay clear.

Thanks.
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i posted that making mock of Lordbud, please come over to the 'cca is a green scam' thread and educate Lordbud and a few others on private property laws and how not all navigable waters are public waters
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Here is a link to an ad that I have posted on the sportsman for individual shares of undivided interest to the property. It is the approximate because it doesn't allow you to bend lines. The extra land between our property to Bayou Moreau in Fourchon is owned by the Calliouet Land Corporation. They Own the beach and all of Fourchon.. All of the docks are on leased land from that family. They are the ones who shut down the Beach.

But the property is from the Pipeline canal to LA1. From Where the dug out deep pits start near the tall tower on LA1 all the way to Bayou Laurier from bayou Laurier to the pipeline canal about 500 ft behind the beach along the canal back to the immediate south of the tower. All of the property from LA1 to the Gulf from Fourchon to Bayou Laurier (the first bridge going to grand isle) is private between my family (the Plaisance Trust) and the Calloiuet family (the Calliouet Land Corp).

http://www.louisianasportsman.com/lpca/index.php?section=classifieds&event=view&action=single_ad&id=527216#.U8WF15jU7zI
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Same discussion is occuring on the inshore forum. I have been doing a little research and somewhat convinced by the ebb and flow argument that it is legal to be in those waters unless it is deemed hazardous or disrupts commercial traffic.

Max- everyone here has been talking about the area closer to the island. If I looked at the map correctly thats all east of Laurier. Me (and probably everyone) on here don't want to infringe on your rights because I respect your rights.
Not arguing here because I wanna do the right thing. If I can fish there I will- if I can't I won't. It's that simple.
Until then- more research or if you or anyone can point me in the direction where it specifically states that tidal waters are off limits. Again just wanna do the right thing. Thanks.
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Max- just saw your link to the map. Clarifys what I thought what belongs to you. Thanks.
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I just posted on the inshore discussion. It simply for legality wise is at the tax assessor office. You can get a map of public lands there. Those are the lands that the State covers property taxes for so to speak and the public has legal access too. The the debate has been long discussed and the bottom line is. you cannot own a navigable canal. But bayous, cuts, tranos', ponds, marsh is all private. and the Navigable canals are the ones when land was surveyed in the say 50's, But the property borders are still the borders and thats what the judge uses to prosecute. The navigable canals in louisiana law are the canals that were navigable by boat in 1812. Yes 1812...

Some people just have no sense. They live in an imaginary world. 'Hey the marsh where that land rig is at eroded away wheres my royalties off of that oil?'
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   TurtleNO
I just read a post of a guy I think you may have warned. He stated you didn't want him fishing south of hwy 1, but that he could fish northwest of hwy 1 where you chatted him. He said you stated it was a liability issue. Just curious, why is it a liability south of hwy 1, but not north?
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If we see someone trespassing we kick them out. Kind of like if the mail man is in your yard and your dog bites him. There are liabilities everywhere. There are more than just liabilities involved with the property. It\'s a culmination of things. We do not kick people off of the shoulder of the road fishing on the property in the deep pits by the abandoned cranes. There were 3 trespassers that day in Kayaks and I was polite to all of them. A man and a son in yellow kayaks and a guy from Alabama in a hobie. Since then the family has gotten together and decided to prosecute any trespassers in any water crafts. There are many different interest involved in the property. Charter trips, commercial crabbing, oil and gas business owners (entertainment), family relaxation, and privacy. The family was unanimous on not having the patience nor the GAF to deal with trespassers anymore. And they stated that they want to arrest everyone that trespasses until everyone in the united states knows that if they trespass there they will be scooped up by the harbor patrol in Fourchon.

North of LA1 is all public marsh. No private owners are held liable to pay taxes there.. LA Lands.
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   TurtleNO
I understand. The family has the right to make those rules you enforce. I do think the $160,000/ 40 acres is steep and a tough sell, but I wish them luck.
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I do know its not a drop in the bucket for most. But its undivided interest. Thats the amount of property the owner would get if the property were to ever be divided. I don't think its that bad of a price considering people are paying 500k for camps in fourchon and grand isle on 1/4 acre.
The new owner would be able to fish, trap, charter, and build a camp if he wanted on the property. We use to have a community net with a wharf before Katrina that you just crank it down for a cold front in september and catch 2000lbs of shrimp a night. Also, if oil gets struck the owner would have his percentage of the revenues.
I'll email you my number.. if you ever looking to do some fishing and I'm off work we can go throw some lines ill put you on some fish.
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   TurtleNO
I'll take you up on that. I don't fish that area down there much, but want to learn it more. I mostly fish east of the Miss river. I fish from both my boat and my kayak. Lately using my kayak more than my boat. Appreciate the offer.
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Another area to be mindful of is Rosethorne Lane on Grand Isle. Many kayakers launch at the end of Rosethorne to fish the north side of grand isle, but there is a sign that notifies you when you have crossed over to private land. I parked my truck on the public side of the street allowing traffic to pass by me if needed, and the camp owner that is even with this sign approached me the other day when I returned to my truck. Apparently his property extends out into the water as well, and he seemed to be aggravated with us since several other kayakers have parked in front of his camp and do this as well (I guess i would be too if this was my camp). I am going to start using the proposed kayak launch from now on since it is basically the same area I like to fish even though I hear it can get muddy at times. Just thought I would throw this out there to keep the kayakers informed.
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   Tyhibbs8
I've been hearing a lot of negativity from people complaining about this but what people don't realize is that it's because of them that it had to come to this. I have been fishing the roadside of LA1 for a couple years now and had some amazing days and got it figured out to the T, I would say most of the time. That area is also pretty awesome at certain times of the year and before all this went down, I used to do a lot of wade fishing around there before I knew the legality of the water and marsh land and instead of WW3 going down, I soon learned from a few of the guys around there where you shouldn't be and those couple times the past couple years they have been some of the nicest people and politely told me where I shouldn't be so I left. One other time I was told something on a different part that I did not know about and the person told me politely that I can finish fishing the area I was walking to but next time I would know that it was not the area I should be in. But because of stupid people that had no respect to even listen to why they are not allowed there or reason with anyone, I see why the owners have decided to go this route. Any other person would have probably done the same thing.
I hate that it had to come to this for y'all Maxcherimie but believe me I understand as I have seen the many reasons for it the past year.
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   Dr. Spot
This area includes 'the Forbidden Hole', where many generations have fished in the past. This may also include 'Rapalai's Hole' (sp?), where a state record flounder was caught.

Cutting and pasting the link is a little tricky, so I've included its image. And, being a Friday, I'll just wish everyone a good weekend and remind everyone this is why I fish the WMA's like the Biloxi Marsh instead. I don't want to put time, effort, and money in an area and then be chased out of a public waterway.

When the Grand Isle and Golden Meadow fishing industries lose enough business as they continue to lose public waterway access, hopefully they will wise up and get a reasonable compromise. But, I respect the honest and straightforward viewpoint of the Plaisance Trust. A certain other organization could learn something by this.

And I speak as someone who lives on a canal, and don't mind at all if a boat fishes in it.
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This is not the only place that this is happening and it is time for a change. I believe that land owner rights should be protected and in the process of changing some of the laws we must protect the land owner from liability so that will be proposed as well. I have no problem with land owners owning lands but I have a real issue with land owners claiming ownership of the public fish, crab, shrimp, etc. If by lack of maintenance to maintain your property as it was in the 1800's or by digging access into the public asset (water) takes place then I have no issue with you owning and paying property tax on the water bottom to keep your mineral rights but you should not have ownership rights to vessels floating on the public property (water). In other places in the marsh this is exasperated by land owners who have land locked lakes that are placing culverts in the bank to have the benefit of the public property (fish) but want to claim them as their personal property once they enter the pond.

If the landowner wants to own the land and or the water on it, it should be that he has to maintain his land with solid earthen damns, you should not be able to cut or allow an access to develop into the public access and then claim it as private.

In response to a Fracking issue in North Louisiana the Louisiana Attorney General recently issued an opinion that ALL waters that ebb and flow across Louisiana lands belong to the public trust. We can possibly build on that as we go.

I have recently spoken to the folks at ROWA and we are in the process of getting it active once again only this time to include the saltwater marshes. It is time to further define the definition of Navigable Water and what can be publicly accessed. I urge each and everyone of you to consider joining ROWA at http://www.restoreourwateraccess.com/

In some places land owners are actually charging crabbers and shrimper a portion of their catch because of their claim of ownership of the water and the wildlife in it.

Navigable has historically been defined as water that ebbed and flowed and was able to support commerce. Times have changed, due to erosion, the land owners and oil companies digging canals that they did not go back and fill as they were directed to do and now you have the state and federal government spending Billions of public dollars to build Private land. It is time for a change in the law. It will be a long and drawn out debate. I'm not an attorney but I am passionate about it. Join ROWA and lets see where we can take it.

hobiewankenobi - I am the 'landowner' who owns the flooded land on Rosethorne. I pay property tax on that property. I AM NOT one of these land barrons who believes that I should be able to restrict your water access to the fish swimming over my property. Fish it all you want.

You however were not parked out of the roadway. You were blocking the road to where people had to drive across my property to get around you. I could not have pulled my boat out from under my house if I wanted to. I simply informed you that this was not a launch site. I don't care if you fish there. It was not until after I informed you that this was not a launch site and you wanted to argue with me, that is when I told you IF you wanted to push the issue, you were fishing on my property and I could use that trump card. Fish it all you want but launch at a public launch site.

In years past we have actually arrived home to find people parked under our houses using this area as a kayak launch. Dry ground can be owned, water should not be!
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   rocknet
Although I am not in total agreement with the law as it is now interpreted, I do respect it. But, I have a real problem with folks gating/damning off waterways that we in existence in 1812. I have fished the marsh from the Pearl to the Sabine rivers in my life, that's a lot of marsh. But, I mainly grew up in the marsh west of the Miss. River and going towards Houma, both north and south of the Intracoastal. I can take you to places where folks have repeatedly done this. I understand the reasons a person may want to keep others out, but one of the main reasons is just greed. I know not everyone believes in a religion or supreme being, and thats OK... we have a free country- at least for now. But I believe there is a judge that we all must face when we leave here, and this judge can't be influenced or bought. When your case number is called, good luck....( hey, good luck to em too- nobody is perfect).
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Reel Screamer- thanks for link. I will check it out.
Do you know anything about the launch that is being built on Ludwig? Last I heard from 'hear say' is a few more months. Since you live there I thought you may have some insight.
As for us yakers- lets get involved and help. I think it may be a good solution for all. If anyone has any info please post. Thanks.
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   Lordbud7
The laws in question are covered in the public trust doctrine. People can own land, they can own land under the water but they can NOT own the water if it EBBS AND FLOWS with the tide.
Only way they can own the wTer is if they build an earthen damn and block water from ebbing and flowing with the tide.
Like I stated in another thread read the Public Trust Doctrine. It covers all of this. As long as I'm not on land and the water moves with the tide then the public should be able to fish it under this doctrine.
Like someone said before, do you own the air over your land? It's the same with water that EBBS AND FLOWS with the tide. If natural resources can swim into it (meaning water has tide) then it can be fished as long as you have a fishing license.
Again you can't go on the land (which is private) but you can go on the water over the land (as long as it ebbs and flows and meets high water mark in winter).
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   Lordbud7
Btw thanks for quoting me. If you're going to do it, at least do it right!
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   Lordbud7
http://www.seagrantfish.lsu.edu/pdfs/law_journals/LawReview_v52_4.pdf
Here's the link to the public trust doctrine if anyone cares to read it

http://books.google.com/books?id=_7clTG45hUsC&pg=PA116&lpg=PA116&dq=public+trust+doctrine+louisiana&source=bl&ots=YWCkSAkKwk&sig=akfozAzQGjoyKxLXmvD0enhTNXM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=wOnKU8eaF6HC8QHAuYC4Cw&ved=0CCsQ6AEwBg
Here's also another link with an excerpt from the doctrine that pretty much sums it up.
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   Rat-Red37
Trying to keep people out of flowing water and claiming it to be theres, is all about greed. Its sickening to think that people are that arogant. Sadly there are people like this. Fishing is about as simple as it gets. It binds parents and children,friends,family etc.. it keeps people peaceful. Respect peoples property most certainly. LAND property, not flowing God given water. What complete arognance and sense of entitlement! I am a land owner in cocodrie, have been for years. Anyone that passes my camp or is in the ponds fishing behind it is welcome.. Its sad its sick!!
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Some courts, just as we have seen in other subjects lately have not fully agreed with the published doctrine and has set policy from the bench, thus it is not as simple as that. While laws are written in black and white, they are interrupted in shades of gray. When judges legislate from the bench, it has to either be appealed or addressed with legislation. To change this to where none of us have to worry about it again, you need to get further educated, and ban together. It is going to take money and it is going to take grass roots lobbying efforts. Using the internet to inform people helps but you have to take it further.

ROWA is possession of the research and a game plan from multiple legal scholars from across the country. They are most logical way to go. United we can take it to the next step. Get angry and get involved its time.

ROWA was formed after bass anglers were arrested for fishing flooded timber on the Mississippi River in the early 2000's their original efforts concentrated on river basins however the legal research has shown that the proper course of action would solve this for all of us. They hope to be updating their website soon with the new information and they need us to reinvigorate the effort.

http://www.restoreourwateraccess.com/section.php?id=20
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   Lordbud7
Bayou it's people like you that are ruining this site. It's funny you can try all you want to argue with me and misquote me but yet when I post proof of the law ie Public Trust Doctrine all that can be heard is crickets.
This site used to be a great resource to help fisherman (and hunters too even tho I'm more into fishing) whether it was to share lures, presentation, how to read conditions, help with boats/ motors/ electronics, peoples experiences with different fishing relTed items and to even brag some especially when one of their kids made a great catch.
Unfortunately because of people like you bayou a lot of good people who used to post here with very helpful information don't anymore because they don't feel like dealing with all the trolls and negativity. Maybe if you were a member around here longer or read previous posts instead of just jumping in trying to make someone look bad you'd see these issues have been gone over MANY times in the past.
I for one rarely post over here anymore because of that simple reason. I'd rather post my reports on my FB charter page where I can control the negativity and the trolls.
It's a shame this site has gone so far downhill and lost as many good posters who actually gave good info that helped the fisherman/hunters who could only get out every so often. Too bad it can't get back to how it used to be.
Btw bayou how many posts have you made that instead of trying to argue with someone, actually helped people out with fishing/hunting info??
I'm sure you can go back years and see all the posts I used to make even before I became a guide trying to help people getting started trolling, fishing, reading conditions, etc.
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   Lordbud7
Daryl I can't agree more with you!
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sorry I pushy your buttons Lordbud, but trespassers push my buttons. This site is called La SPORTSMAN, a SPORTSMAN does not trespass. You have no right to fish or hunt on every piece of water just because its navigable, every single ruling ever has been in favor of the landowner and rightfully so. We have millions of acres of public water to fish and hunt so why does everyone want to be somewhere else that is public? The reason why people are actually enforcing their private property rights on waterways is because if someone goes onto their property and gets hurt, the landowner is liable, sad but true

ReelScreamers - the flooded timber issue is wrong as well. You have no right to hunt or fish on flooded timber. The land is private property underneath that water. Judges have ruled in those cases as well. Look up Gassoway Lake in far northeast LA/southeast Ark. Trespassers would go in this private lake when the water was up and load up on the fish, they were arrested numerous times and it went to court. Judge James stated the laws clear as a bell. You have no right to hunt or fish there even though the waterway is navigable. Navigable does not mean you can hunt or fish there, period. The laws allow fishermen to moor their boats on the property so that they can dry out their nets. Again, navigable does not = fishable/huntable, you are trespassing. If this was the case, I would be shooting mallards in the flooded timber every year on Davis Island or Giles Island when their land goes underwater! But try that and let us know how it goes
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Look at the first post and look at the last post.how far do yall children want to carry it from there.if you buy or own waterways be prepared to watch public fish removed from your property.i was fishing in catfish lake one time and a guy pulls up in his boat and tells me im on private property and to fish the pond on the other side of this canal.i agree and move to the other side.i watched the guy fish for about 20 minutes before he confronted us and he didnt catch a single fish.as soon as i moved to the other side i started wearin the fish out.i got a real problem with morons,thats about it.now this site reminds me of the construction field im in.the safety men try to get a bunch of ignorant construction workers to listen to a bunch of big words they dont even understand theirselves.quit worrying about being so smart and address a topic for what it is.no spell checks here,could type properly but im from livingston and that wouldnt be keeping it real.yall keep being smart and ill keep fishin.
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Bayou, you have the right to have your feelings on the subject and we have to right to have ours.

See my original post on the subject. I agree with you that as part of any package that we go forward with there should be liability reform to protect the landlord. There should also be strict liability for any obstacle that these landlords are placing in and alongside canals. Cables stretching across canals, old drill pipes that are underwater on high tide, etc. They should be lit dark to daylight and strict liability for any that are not.

WHere you and I seem to differ is on the public resource issue. The running water (anything effected by water that ebbs and flows) belongs to the public. The fish, the crab and the shrimp in those waters belong to the public and the public in general has a right to pursue those creatures. My fishing license and other public resources such as federal grants spent on taking care of those fish guarantee that. If a landowner wants his land private as remarked - as it was back in the 1800 then he/she should have maintained that land as it was in the 1800s. I don't want to step on your property but I damn sure want to float on mine.

Many have intentionally tapped the public resource to stock their ponds and lakes so that they can call them private. That is and should be wrong. Once the land is populated with the public resource then it is or should be that the public has their rights.

There are several issues and angles. There is a collation that can be made with the recent levee board suits as well.

I am not that familiar with the flooded timber issue so would choose not to debate that at this time.

You have the right to disagree, I respect that. However if the masses disagree perhaps we can get it changed.
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Real Screamer- I was simply informing the kayakers of my experience to help you out in the future. I did not mean to stir the pot . Sorry if I was not respectful that day but I felt that I was. I was taught that we have two ears and one mouth for a reason, and I heard your side and allowed you to speak without interrupting . Again, my apologies and I will launch elsewhere from now on.
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   Lordbud7
Bayou again enlighten us on how many reports you posted on here helping Louisiana Sportsman out there instead of stirring the pot.
Again if water Ebbs and Flows with the tide then I am not trespassing. If natural resources can swim into it then I can fish it according to the Public Trust Doctrine (which I see you still failed to read.) Learn the law before you comment on it.
Just like Daryl said, if someone wants their canal private then they should block it off with an earthen dam so the Public Water and Publics natural resources can't swim into it.
This horse has really been beat. Instead of continuing to beat it, try educating yourself, read the public trust doctrine and maybe put a report up to help fellow sportsman instead of stirring the pot.
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   BullNutz
LordBud7,

Your comment: “Again if water Ebbs and Flows with the tide then I am not trespassing.” is incorrect. With very few exceptions your argument only works on waters that were navigable in 1812 or on waters that were created with public monies since 1812 (think Toledo Bend Resivoir).

Further, your statement: “If natural resources can swim into it then I can fish it…' is equally false.

You posted as evidence an OPINION authored by two members of the LSU Law Review wherein the authors opined in their conclusions: “We have also demonstrated that it is arguable that Louisiana’s public trust doctrine extends geographically today to the waters and bottoms of nonnavigable tidelands. “

Take a moment to focus on the word “arguable.”

The linked portion of your second link addresses navigable streams and does not (as far as I saw) mention tidal waters. There’s a difference. The discussion at hand concerns tidal waters and navigable streams are irrelevant at the moment. Admittedly I did not review all 160+ pages contained in your second link. If you're aware of references to tidal waters contained therein please link that section.

Meanwhile, in the words of an enthusiastic man… “Learn the law before you comment on it.”
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   Cruzm411
You would actually have people arrested for Kayak fishing! A warning is understandable, but pressing charges! Come on man
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you typed 'you would actually have people arrested for kayak fishing' shoulad have been 'you would actually have people arrested for trespassing'
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is this area still private property?
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   dcdhunt
Since the Cheramie's, Plaisance's, and Caillouet's own this land in question, they do have the right to keep people out. On the flip side, the State of Louisiana should bill them everytime La Hwy 1 needs to be rebuilt from the erosion that takes place from the pits that were dug for them to sell sand for profit, and why doesn't the state make them remove the derilect cranes that they decided to just leave sitting next to their for profit pits.
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its really sad, but seems like it got to the point wherever you fish at u need to have all kinds of different maps for that area! what happened to, hey lets have some fun and go fishin????? DCDHUNT, what about the millions of public dollars being spent on coastal erosion? who benefits a lot, private landowners!!! let them pay for a lot of that, if they don't want people fishin in 'THEIR' water!!!! why don't private landowners dye 'THEIR' water different colors, so we know its 'THEIR' water!!!
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im just trying to stay out of jail for trespassing lol..
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Louisiana Law is wrong in this area and it is only a matter of time before the posting of waterways is stopped. Federal Law under Kaiser Aetna v. United States has settled the issue regarding ebb and flow, connection to an interstate body of water, and navigability applies even to canoes and kayaks. So keep arresting fisherman, you will eventually get someone who brings it to Federal Court.
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cypress sure hope they arrest the right person soon and put them greedy landowners down to their knees!!!! I mean its just plain ashame people can be that greedy, 'I OWN THE WATER' IF IT EVAPORATES AND BECOMES A CLOUD I OWN THAT TOO!!! DONT FLY AN AIRPLANE THRU IT R U WILL GET A TICKET AND BE ARRESTED!!!! I guess that's why the world is in the shape its in!!!!
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CRUZM411, u hit the old nail on the head!!!! it makes them feel the power!!!!! let me say this, not all private landowners, but a vast majority of them!!! there are some nice guys out there, but very few!!!!
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   emmaginn
I live a few hours away from Grand Isle and do enjoy time fishing there, but after reading this thread, I think I'll just keep my distance. There are plenty of other places in the state for me and my friends to fish. I don't want to have to go to the clerk of court every time I want to fish somewhere or else risk get arrested by inadvertently fishing on 'someone's water'. The people I feel sorry for most are the ones that have businesses there that will surely suffer from an unwelcoming and hostile environment that people like Bayou are creating.

There is obviously different viewpoints on the land/water property issue, but even if these waters are somehow your property...who gives a crap if someone fishes there. How does that harm you. Don't give me the liability BS, because if someone did get hurt, you would start claiming that the water was public property, etc.

It's a shame that people like Bayou have nothing better to do than complain about people fishing. Get a hobby Bayou; try fishing. You'll meet some great people and probably learn to relax a bit.

I have to go though. There is an airplane flying directly above my house in MY AIR. Delta is about to get a scolding phone call. Later!
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YEP emmaginn, get delta!!! that's about 300 trespassing tickets you can give!!! wont that be fun and make your day!!!!
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You guys are fishing on PRIVATE property! It used to be LAND! Taxes are being paid on that property and if you get hurt on it, the landowner gets sued. It is what it is.

If you had a pond built in your backyard, would you want the public to come fish it, or would you post it? Its the same thing. Water is in places that were once land, you have no right to go in there. There are MILLIONS of acres of public water to fish and hunt. Stay out the places that are clearly off limits
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   JB
BayouWild - Is that pond part of public water? Please explain to me how an airplane flying over your property is any different than this whole water issue?
I understand that the law says you can post land that no longer exists. But, even you and the others that enjoy this loophole have to admit that it is just that, a loophole? What happens if a tidal wave destroys the entire Louisiana coast and the coastline now is in Ascension Parish, should everything from Gonzales to what is now the coast be private?
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   JB
I just had an idea that might settle the 'I own land that does not exist so you cannot fish Public Water' issue.
Why not make property taxes in areas that WILL erode (unless that landowner stops the process) a set amount. An amount high enough that it will either cause the landowner to install preventive measures to keep his/her taxes low or sell the land back to the state?
I PROMISE you that if taxes were much higher, all of the landowners would change their tone from 'I pay taxes on the land that used to be there' to 'Why do I have to pay taxes on something that does not exist?'
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   slickhead
All great ideas, but I am telling you what the law states at this point in time right this very moment. I agree there should be some changes, but for now it is what it is.

Want to change the law, then start a petition and get with your senator. Until then, its trespassing plain and simple
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Hmmmm... Private from the bridge to fourchon you say.....

$160,000 for rights to use it.....

No thanks, I'll pass.

If I pay that then I'd be just as 'smart' as you guys who currently own it. Unfortunately, its just a matter of time before either 1) the old farts who own it croak or 2) the coast line moves up another 300 yards and they have to change the laws....

Either I'll wait, or catch me if you can it....
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JB, if a tidal wave hit and I had 2 feet of water over my property in Thibodaux and I caught you fishing in my water, I guess I could give you a tresspassing ticket according to these private landowners but, I wouldn't ever give you a ticket JB ole buddy!! I would be a nice private landowner, just call me when you have them cleaned and fried and don't forget the French fries and especially the beer!!!!!!
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   JB
Beast - I appreciate what you are saying and get it also, but what I am talking about is not a flood. I am talking about people trying to claim something that does not exist, i.e. eroded land. As for Grande Isle, I could care less what is posted or public as I haven't been there in years. My concern is the precedent this sets and how long before it becomes an issue elsewhere.
But, if you let me fish your 'public water' not only would I be polite, I would clean and let you have ALL of my catch. For me, it is not about meat as much as it is about enjoying the experience.
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I can respect people wanting to keep other people off their property, if you come into my yard I would tell you to leave as well ,but the state spends millions of tax dollars a year to fight erosion on that property in question , I have seen the work cause my family had a camp from 1971 until Katrina took it , even to this day when fishing offshore of the beach there is work being done on the beach all the time , so la tax payers pay to keep up the private land owners property but get thrown in jail when trying to catch a few fish to feed his family,,, oh just to let yall know north of la 1 almost to leeville is wisner foundation property( the old wisner wma ) which is off limits also ,, beware of super cop Forest T. patrolling the area I n his airboat
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When I moved to SE LA I was impressed by the love and respect the people have of their swamps, marshes and the culture that surrounds it. Very cool and unlike anywhere I have lived before.

About two years ago, thanks to this site, I learned that marsh can be private land. Someone suggested that people could fish on the public land, so I looked up where that is. There is practically no public marsh land! All the famous fishing areas are private marsh.

So, help me out, Is this public pride in 'OUR' marshes a misconception or a remnant of an earlier time?
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nightheron, as much as I hate to admit it, since they invented lawyers and greedy and corrupt people, I guess its just memories of the way things use to be back in the day, when they had good descent people!!!!
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Just read an article about some future plans to save the coast.... Seems like the going theme is to pretty much allow areas like this 'private' property along highway 1 and others along the coast just erode away...... Kinda sucks for the selfish gentlemen who try to sell rights to use the water for $80,000.... But then again, it is kinda good for them. Like i said before, catch me if you can it or change the laws.... starting to look like ill have to do neither, and just crank up the ole outboard.... hahaha
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   rocknet
he entire deal in the marshes here is a real shame. I can see both sides though. I have taken my two sons along LA1 fishing for over 32 years, and was starting to take my grandsons. It was always a great trip, no matter the catch or conditions. We still talk about a trip in really bad weather where we caught just a single fish, but it was an 8 lb. flounder, and the biggest any of us had ever caught. I can see the landowner's point also. I have brought my sons up to treat other's property like it was your own. We have never sued anyone for anything.. if they broke their arm or leg in somebody's yard playing... which they both have done... I just took them to the doctor and patch them up like my father did for us. I am one of 11 in my family, we never had much, but I made a decent living, and we always fished in public areas. I do not agree with the State's laws concerning tidal waters...But I do respect the law.
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so your telling me if i take my younger cousins kayaking this weekend and go south of la1 we could all end up in jail?
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   huntnut
Unfortunately, the answer would be YES...you and your cousins will be arrested if you are fishing on private marsh that is patrolled. I don't like it. I'm just answering your question.
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that's ridiculous

the area I like to fish in my kayak is literally almost right on that red line to the far west of his private area map
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   Petey1969
Max:

I am reading this old exchange here and I noticed that there was some land for sale at one time. Is there anyway to get in touch with you to discuss?

Mike
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