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Whats the rules on hunting state claimed water bottoms? I'm not talking about hunting marsh with a 'posted' or 'no trespassing' sign on it because I know better then that. I know where the state claimed water bottoms are, I just wanna know what the rules and limitations are hunting on it. Hunting a certain distance from leased land, shipping channels, etc...
Thanks in advance!
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You can't touch the bank, normal safety rules (I doubt ducks will be in major transit areas. Prepare for major griefing if you are setting up in a 'state owned water body' that is completely surrounded by private marsh. If you are talking about bays near the outside you will likely be fine, if you have found a 1/4 mile diameter bay within Miami land corp or Delacriox land property................. might be more trouble than it's worth.
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yeah you're defiantly right lanco1, i'm planning on doing some serious scouting of the areas i'm wanting to hunt before I just got bust up out there and hunt. I've also been looking on the assessors website to who actually owns the land around the area i'm wanting to hunt and maybe make a few contacts or just go toward areas that are parish or oil company owned. Thanks for the input
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Here we go again.
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I can tell you this much from dealing with it before. The land companies have lawyers that deal with this issue for a living and you probably don't. If you come across the wrong lease holder/ landowner you will loose pal.
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If you are hunting 'open water' like say pockets in Bay Lafourche no one is likely to care (there's a ton of grass along the outside so it's not a facetious example). If you are set up in a 10 acre pond that says it's state owned on SONRIS it's more likely to be an issue. Remember SONRIS isn't the final word on who owns what.
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I see you posted in Venice hunting so I'll try and make clear for you. In Louisiana private property does not have to be posted so just becauase there is no signs means absolutely nothing. The Sonris map isn't worth the paper its printed on. Just because a piece of property belongs to Plaquemines Parish or the school board DOES NOT mean you have permission to hunt it!!! At one time the parish leased this land but had to stop due to liability issues. Plaquemines Parish WILL NOT issue maps of their property to the public for this very reason. The sheriffs dept will be out in force once again this season to enforce tresspassing laws. A few of the ones that recieved tickets last year thought they would be easy to beat but instead ended up with fines,probation,and community service.
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Flatboat green, why are you picking on duck hunters that hunt the school board property at Babtiste collette? They are not hunting on your lease so why make that comment. Is it that you want to claim that are to yourself also!
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Picking on duck hunter???? A guy asked what the deal was and I gave him a quick rundown. I never claimed nothing.
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You stated people that were hunting Babtiste on school board property shouldn't be hunting it, I was just wondering why you made that statement.
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First it Baptiste not babtist. Second I never mentioned a word about Baptiste. And yes if you are hunting on Plaquemines Parish,or Plaquemines Parish School Board property you DO NOT have permission.
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Tell me this flatboat who does? People have hunted that area for years with no problems at all! Is everyone that hunts that area an outlaw, I think not!
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Who has permission? Nobody!!! Who has given you or anybody else permission? Don't believe me go to the parish land office and ask them if you can hunt parish property and then ask them for maps showing the property.
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And yes if you are hunting on property without permission you're tresspassing!!!!!!!!!
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All I was trying to say was a lot of people hunt that area and have ben for along time and at one time you could get a map showing the parish land that you are allowed to hunt on. I still have one. If you have a lease down there more power to you, I am just tired of people claiming property that does not belong to them and there are a lot of open water areas in this state that are open to the public. But think about it, shouldn't you be able to hunt land that belongs to the public! paid for with tax payers dollars or are we going to try and make Venice another WHITE LAKE!!
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At one time there wasn't any problems with people hunting parish property thats not the case anymore. You can not and will not get permission from the parish nor maps of the property. If push gets to shove and a ticket is issued for one reason or another you will lose due to the fact you are tresspassing. you have no leg to stand on. Will there be any problems maybe not but if get on or cross over someones property you just may get cited and the i was hunting on parish property or i was going to parish property won't cut it because you dont have permission to be there either. We used to have pretty much free reign in Venice but those days are coming to an end quickly. You can thank the yahoos and the duck dynasty crowd for that.
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And by the way flatboat, I rarely even hunt that area anymore but have plenty of friends and fellow duck hunters that do, and you know what, most of the guys that hunt down there are good to exceptional duck hunters, that's why they go there, because its one of the only good areas still around where people can take there kids to participate in duck hunting the way it used to be.
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The good always suffer for the bad. For every 1 decent hunter there is an idiot or maybe even 2. Landowners and lease holders have had it. The sheriffs dept has had it. Things are changing in Venice and its not gonna get any easier for the regular guy trying to be an ethical hunter. For the record I wish it was like it was 10-15 years ago but thats not the case
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The only area that is completly open to the public is the WMA's
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Lots of misinformation in this thread. I am an attorney working in land management and before I started practicing I was involved in coastal land management here in Louisiana.

It is being said that a Parish will not give maps, this false. Just call and ask, they are required to issue maps. They may give you the run around but you can find what you need.

Someone mentioned SONRIS being worthless, this is also incorrect. At least in it's current form. SONRIS maps are taken directly from the the DNR as well as BLM and several other sources. There are some areas currently in dispute but they are not in Plaquemines Parish.

Parish officials contact information is publicly available on the parish webiste. Call and ask for yourself.

Source, 25 years of land management experience in Louisiana.
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TurtleGrass2....Thanks for the great information!
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FLATBOATGREEN hope u learned something from turtlegrass2???? I doubt it!!!!!
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Thank You Turtlegrass2, very good information that will help our fellow duck hunters.
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I encourage anyone to call the land dept and ask for maps and hunting permission. Please post those maps and your permission. Everyone will be patiently waiting.
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Its people like this guy turtlegrass (which is an obvious alias) that spews this bad info. You are the problem. Again call the land dept if you don't beieve me!!!!!!!!!
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If u go to the parish with a tax form showing u are paying taxes on land outside the levee system, they will let u look at a map and show u where your tract is but they will not give u a map. If anybody goes and get one, please let us know.
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Fowlfish is correct
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FLATBOAT, I could be wrong but isn't fowlfish a private landowner like you?
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I have no idea I don't know him. Why don't you ask him?
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flatboat I think I just did!!!
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Beast your even more senile than you were last year.
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FLATBOAT, how u figure that???? I consider u a friend!!!!
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reread your last 3 post and think about it
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I am not a land owner, but I'm no lawyer either (thank God). I am familiar with what is going on though.
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ok fowlfish my mistake sorry!!!
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AS far as I can tell the school board property is not publicly accessible and not currently being leased to anyone. Seems odd that is the case but my information could very well be outdated.

I'm not sure why anyone is suggesting that the parish will keep maps from anyone, that is simply not true. All property transfers are public record and easily searchable.

Flatboat, do you hold title to any property or do you only have access to family property? You speak as if you are the latter. Anyone that has gone through he purchase process would have had their closing attorney explain these things. How else could we do a title search?

I wouldn't rule out the possibility of parish employees not doing their jobs correctly and withholding information. However, I personally have never had an issue getting property information.

Just go on the parish website and get the contact information you need or use SONRIS. Like I said before, SONRIS is currently up to date and makes it pretty clear the only public access is Delta Wildlife and the state lane to the south of the refuge. Obviously there is a maze of public water but as far as mash goes those are the only two that I am seeing.
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Looks like turtle has done some research and seen the light. You are correct school board property is NOT open to the public and it is not leased out remember I've been saying this for a while now. I am an heir to property there is no titles. Most of the property in the area is from Spanish land grant what the landowers have is patents on the propertys. You are also correct in saying the ONLY property open to the public is the WMA's. The sonris map shows property that the state may lay claim to but they do not own it and they never will. Therefore using the sonris map to hunt on state claimed land will get you a ticket. Read the disclaimer printed on the map. The reason the parish will no longer give out copys of the maps is because they are flawed and outdated
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Turtlegrass changing his tune
Turtlegrass came in here guns a blazin and now crawfishing. Maybe you didnt know what you were talking about after all
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Sonris shows the school board property as disputed property, no necessarily private. My best guess is it use to be open to the public but I don't care enough to call and find out.

You are 100% misinformed about the parish not having maps. You are also misunderstanding the disclaimer, have your attorney look at it if you have any questions about the wording. The map is correct but it is not the final word. Anyone can contact the parish and see for themselves who owns what. It would take some leg work but anyone is free to drive down there and ask. I'm just not sure why anyone would want to unless they were interested in soliciting a sale because the SONRIS and GIS maps are up to date.

As for hunting state claimed water bottoms, that would be a question for WLF. I would imagine owners alone Baptiste Collete would have a conniption fit if you set up a decoy within spitting distance of their lease. It might be one of those things where it is more trouble than it's worth.
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Turtlegrass said:

'Someone mentioned SONRIS being worthless, this is also incorrect. At least in it's current form. SONRIS maps are taken directly from the the DNR as well as BLM and several other sources.'

Now this:
'The map is correct but it is not the final word.'

This is what we are trying to tell everyone, that the maps are not the final word!

At first you said this:
'There are some areas currently in dispute but they are not in Plaquemines Parish.'

Now this:
'Sonris shows the school board property as disputed property, no necessarily private. My best guess is it use to be open to the public but I don't care enough to call and find out'

SO...it IS disputed (in Plaquemines Parish)! This is what we have been trying to say

Bottom line, if you don't know, don't go. Its not worth the ticket.
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Something being accurate does not make it the final word in court. I'm simply saying the SNORIS map, in its current form, is accurate.

The school board dispute must be relatively recent. I would like to see who's claiming ownership but if it were me, I might would go ahead and hunt the property but I have to means to go to court but to each his own. The property is getting hunted, by whom is a good question. It's school board so the only people to ask you to leave would be the sheriffs department and it's not in the parish's best interest to be hassling tourists.

Just call and ask. Everyone's contact information is on the parish website. Drive down to the school board office on Edward blvd and ask in person if you want. The land department is off of 23, go there too while you're at it.

I've been working with wildlife and land management for 25 years and I have NEVER had a single problem getting information.
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Turtle are you a politician? You have to be the way you say something then say it means something totally different from what you said in the same sentence. LOL I'll say it again go down to the land dept office and ask for a map showing parish property thats open to hunting or ask them to show you whats available to the public for hunting. Or just use the sonris map I hear its 100% correct but its not the final word and it has disclaimer saying that it shouldn't be relied on lol. The reality is you better have permission (written is best)to be on the property you are on and your not gonna get it from the parish because if you get caught your gonna get a ticket for tresspassing.
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U can call and they will tell u and u can go to the office and they will show u, but u will not walk out with a map…..
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If the school board property off of Baptiste is no longer open to the public for hunting, then I am sure that the people that have built the camps on the school board property are some really pissed off people right now and the sheriff department will probably be out to get them first day of teal season. Yep, the camps were built illegally because the Parish would have never issued a building permit for these camps in the first place. As far as the Parish issuing maps, it will not happen. I have a copy of an email from a parish employee in the assessor's office that was sent to my hunting buddy that say's that the Parish will not issue maps of parish property to the public for legal purpose. There is no leased land on Baptiste Collette. It is either privately owned and it is not for lease or it is owned by the Parish.
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I am sure that whom ever is starting the rumor about the Parish land not being hunt able off of Baptiste may have there own agenda going on. All parish property outside of the levee's are open to the public. I recall a time when we were going to make a hunt in the wagon wheel which is probably 80% owned by the parish and some Old Fart came up on us and said that we were hunting on his lease. What happened next was my buddy happened to have Billy Nungesser's (Former Parish Presidents)cell phone number and called Billy. Billy chews the man out over the phone and that was the last time that we ever had problems with the ole fart....
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So your hunting buddy has Billy N on speed dial and got him on the phone while out in the blind. It just so happens that Billy N knew exactly where you was and also had the the parish land map sitting on his lap at that time too. Then Billy proceded to bitch the 'old Fart' out on the phone. How are old are you Southernbreed,you dont think anyone believes that crap do you? Again please post anything anywhere that states parish property is open to the public for hunting. The only thing your correct about is that the parish will not issue maps of the property. The legal reason is that its not 'open' for hunting!!!!
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Yeah that story reeks. If it is 'probably 80% owned by the parish' then there is 20% not owned by the parish. And Billy N just happened to know exactly where you were. And does anyone even trust Billy N anymore after the BP fiasco
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For whatever it's worth, my brother went down there to check the maps earlier in the week. He had no problems getting the information he needed. He made a comment about the school board property allegedly being closed to public access but I didn't get a chance to get the full story and I don't really care enough to find out.

What I don't understand is, if people are so upset with the way the land use issues are being handled then why does nobody try to get it changed? Stop voting for coastal restoration of private property. Stop supporting organizations who lobby for coastal restoration of private property. Stop spending money in places like Venice. Nobody writes their representatives. Todd Mason has written a few articles on the subject but nobody takes notice. To be perfectly honest, I'm to the point I hope Plaquemines parish snaps and falls into the gulf.

It seems like the issue has snowballed over the last 2 years or so. I use to never hear much about it and now it seems like everyone is complaining. The reality of it is we can not continue down this road. I use to do my best to know what is legal and what is not, but its impossible. I've taken the beg for forgiveness route lately, otherwise what's the point? I have the wherewithal to fight a criminal trespassing charge so I'm not really overly concerned.
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Flatboat just wondering. Are you a resident of Plaquemines Parish? If you were you would know what you are talking about. I called one of the Plaquemines Parish Marine Patrol Officers last night and they are NOT patrolling PARISH OWNED PROPERTY. Parish Land is and has always been open to the public. Do you really believe that the Parish would want to keep the Hunters that bring money into the Parish out by keeping them from hunting Parish Property?... I hardly think so... And to you and Slickhead... Believe it or not, yes he does have Billy on speed dial and so does my mother.. Billy is well liked within Plaquemines Parish especially on the lower end of the parish... and Flatboat, If you have a map of the Parish which you claim you do then you would know that what I am saying about the Wagon Wheel being 80% owned by the Parish is true. I have a map, I know...Flatboat why don't you private message me and tell me who you are. I will be glad to tell you who I am and how much land we own..
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So let me get this straight some of you that owns a little land down there dont want anybody to hunt the public property at the wagon wheel because its not WMA. I guess since you own a piece of tha pie you feel like who ever dont own any shouldn't be able to come to your neck of tha woods and make a hunt. So in your eyes the parish/school board are whatever public property it is should just be made a No Hunting Waterfowl Area. This way nobody can hunt there are be able to set up next to your property and hunt. To all land owners if you dont own it dont claim it. If its public then cut loose and knock'em down.
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Agree with you no fly zone but the majority of folks don't know where the public parts are and just assume it's all public.
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Well turtle since your not smart enough to figure it out the reason both private and public land is being restored is the fact that it protects your and everybody elses ass so it will be restored as much as possible. Also no one will care if you never step foot in Plaquemines again in fact we hope you don't. The reason the PPSO hasn't really been out so far this season is everything has been pretty quiet. There hasn't been as many issues with the trespassers as usual. Southern breed yes I am from Plaquemines and I dont care who you are or where you from. You are also part of the problem. Being you are posting BS like this on a public forum tells me you are not very bright or you you have no skin in this issue.
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I highly agree with noflyzone 40!!!! not all but a lot of private landowners want u to think they own everything and want to keep everyone out and keep all the good huntin for themselves and some high feluting people!!!!
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One strong storm and its all open water and the greedy don't matter no more..........They can quit lick'n they're politicians ????????????
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bullcoon, hope it never happens, but these landowners say even if the water covers their property, they still own the land and now the water that covers their land????? go figure!!!!
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Flatboat my man, what I am posting is not BS. I am sorry that what I am posting is getting under your skin and is ruining your game. I have contacts at the Plaquemines Parish Government Mineral Office. I know what is going on with Parish and 16th Section School Board Land. You are on here trying to scare people away. Who cares if they come hunt in Plaquemines Parish? There is Plenty of Land for people from out of the Parish to Hunt both Parish and WMA's both Federal and State. The problem is that you guys are trying to post Parish Land so you and the other greedy guides can hunts on Parish Property and make money off of Parish property while trying to keep everyone else away.... It don't work that way Pal.....
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southern u sure are getting under flatboats skin!!!!! if flatboat would have just stayed out of all these posts about private land in plaquemines parish and venice, it would have never gotten to this! he don't know what to say anymore!!!!!! just keeps repeating himself!!!!! mite not ever hear from him anymore!!!! that mite not be a bad thing!!! but, everybody has a rite to their own opinion!!!!
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Don't care if I get under anyone's skin. I will call a spade a spade. Let the people come hunt. There is plenty of land for everyone to hunt that is not private. Do your home work. It's there. My family has land on Baptiste. We don't patrol it. We don't run people off. When we hunt we hunt and don't want anyone pulling any shit. Last year someone pulled up on me and my son and two friend and tried to run us off... That did not end well for them but all he had to do was go find another place and that would have been fine. Hope everyone has a good season.
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yep I was rite again, senile or not, flatboat gave up again!!!!
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Flatboat Green sounds like Mark Pivach they want it all for their self and the hell with everyone else. LOL....Sorry it don't work that way..
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flatboat will be back on the next post about private land, saying the same ole things!!!! i own everything and if u touch my water or land u will get a trespassing ticket!!!! I have the only map in the world that is correct!!!!!! flatboat, please post your map or your copy of your Spanish land grant and end all this????
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come on flatboat post yur map, help us and yourself, if u really have one???? all talk, no walk!!!!
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I guess flatboat aint got a map just mouth!!!
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...better be careful Beast,he might have grown up on 'dem pickled quail eggs at 'da Spillway Bar ???...cheers
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ADMIRAL, its perfectly ok, I grew up eatin a lot of wild hog and wild animals!! don't know why I aint got high blood pressure and clogged arteries yet?? I think I remember going to a bar one time? cheers to you too!!!!
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Beast your still rambling about stuff your clueless about. Get you a life man. I have better things to do than argue every day about what some people think is fair or what they think is true. Bottom line is poachers are being dealt with in Venice now its no longer a free for all. This past teal season was great little to no problems with poachers at all word has gotten out!!!! Southernbreed if you think you can get under my skin keep trying buddy lol. And no I have no affiliation with the Pivachs or any of the guide services leasing property in the area. As far as maps are concerned Southernbreed should be able to post them up I mean he does have Billy N and speed dial and buddies in the mineral dept. Try again!!
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Flatboat must be guiding hunts on Parish Property. That is the only reason that I can think of as to why he is trying to keep hunters off of Parish and School Board Property. You DO NOT need permission to hunt parish owned land outside the levee's. Take time and stop by the Mineral Office and they will be glad to give you the scoop on what's Parish owned and what's private owned.
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stop voting for coastal restoration on private property!!!!!!!
we spend really big dollars on these projects & turn around & give the new land to the land owner, to put up his posted signs. the people that pay for this stuff get nothing from this.
take this money & rebuild the beach with a rock jetty. don't let the people with this land, that they let wash away, get their land back with my tax money. if the land owner want's his land rebuilt, make him/her, got to be pc, donate 50% of the land to the public.
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jer1945 I agree with you!! private landowners need to pay!!!!! taxpayer money saves their land and all they want to do is give us trespassing tickets!!! ya I know b4 ya'll say it, private landowners pay taxes too!!! big deal for the benefits ya'll get in return!!! don't mean nothing!!!! ya'll always come out smelling like a rose!!!! so I guess ya'll will argue!!!! I don't personally think ya'll smell like a rose more like something else!!!!!
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yes they pay taxes on the land/water but they lease it out to duck hunters, their getting more for the leases then they are paying in taxes. millions of dollars to save their lain/water then they run you out of a bayou that god made. this is the one they did a few years ago off bayou DuPont. back to citrus lands, at the end of west reivena(spelling) road across from the elevator.
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no argument from me!!!! just a lot of arguments from them!!!! they think they deserve their land being saved with our money!!!! you know like being to lazy to work and expect the working people to support them!!! same thing, no difference at all!!!!
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