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How old ya'll think these deer are?
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Both look to be mature bucks basis head shape and where their neck hits the torso. Also bidy size - low gut and sway back. Would guess 4.5+ on both pics.
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   hunt r
The 3pt was and I think good guess on the other. Tried to load other pics for hours last night but no luck.
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   hunt r
How about these?
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   krazykarl
Man those are y'all mature deer. What a bad gene! Need to burn some buck tags on all of these deer. Get them out of the herd. Would be enough ground meat to last a long time!
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   hunt r
When I started this thread I just wanted to show some people who say they've never seen an older spike. Never thought I would get this guy. Longest spike I've ever seen, but a much younger deer than the others. I believe he's 21/2yrs. old.
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Truck load of rice bran right there!
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They killed a spike (had 2 tiny brow tines) this weekend at my club that had almost 6' bases. almost 18' spikes, was an old deer for sure. I wasn't there to get a pic by my dad verified the measurments
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   hunt r
Here's another one.
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