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Spinning setup question

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I've been trying to force myself to learn to fish a little spin cast rod and reel but it's been nothing but a pain in the rear and I'd like a little input on what to do to fix it. After 20 or so minutes the line twists up so much it knots up. I don't want to use a swivel and I know I shouldn't have to but I don't know how else to prevent it from happening. I'm using 8 lb test which is the right size for the reel I use and I'm throwing either a shaky head finesse type worm or a fluke or senko. I try to let the line untwist a little at the end of each cast if it seems to need it but it still happens. My next move is to get this thing figured or break it over my thigh and forget the whole bad idea. Hoping for the first but not too ashamed to do he second. Any thoughts on what I can do different?
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   speters47
You may have spooled your reel with too much line, if you are using mono, switch to fluorocarbon.. might just be your line has a lot of memory... hope this helps
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   Dulacdat
How line comes off of spool onto reel can also cause line twist problems.
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   Sernbek
In addition to comments above, twisting of line can also be caused by spooling the reel incorrectly. When spooling a spinning cast rod, the fishing line should roll off the side of the plastic spool without it spinning. The direction of the fishing line coming off the plastic spool should be in the same direction the bail spins when reeling. Most people will spool a spinning reel by just letting the fishing line roll off the plastic spool while it spins, which is incorrect. This will work okay but after few cast the line will start to twist on itself as you described.

Check out this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RH27ubNJ8M

Good Luck!!
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   hunt r
The first spinning reels had manually operated bails. Most now use the handle to automatically close the bail. This causes the line to twist and when you cast the line comes off in a tangle. Closing the bail manually will help to prevent this.
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   LETUMGROW
beauxnarreaux
Every time someone comes on my boat with a spin cast I just shack my head as 90% of the time they will have problems during the day we are out. Most everyone swears by them but I hardly see one that works all day out fishing, mostly it's the line problem you described. My nick-name for them are Chank-a-Chanks! Good luck and hope you can make them work
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   dks300
Spinning setups can be a really useful tool, but a little bit of prep work goes a long way! For finesse fishing, I spool up a 2500-3000 size Shimano Stradic with 15lb braid (high vis yellow to see my line moving) and attach a fluorocarbon leader that is anywhere from 2-6' long. Any longer and the leader knot will sit on you spool and can mess up your casting. Braid is great because it eliminates line twist, and if you aren't fishing clear water, you can just use straight braid. Spinning outfits excel at casting lightweight rigs like wacky rigs or allowing you to skip light jigs under docks without backlashing. My all-around spinning outfit is a 7' medium action G Loomis with a fast tip, it will cover just about any technique in a pinch. If I'm fishing deep, clear water, like dropshotting for smallmouth or largemouth on the TN River Chain, they I go to a 6'10' Mag Light setup, with 12lb braid to an 8lb fluorocarbon leader. This light rod allows me to really work a fish by adjusting my drag and keeps me from bending out my tiny #2 Owner Mosquito hook. The other great thing about a light rod is it stays bent the whole time you are fighting a fish, so you almost never lose one! But if you're just fishing in South LA, I would say a 2500-3500 sized reel with 15-20lb braid (and a leader if in clear water) on a medium or medium heavy rod would be a great setup. You can do quite a lot with it, and it REALLY shines when throwing weightless Senkos, Flukes, or Trick Worms, and skipping jigs under branches or docks is a BREEZE! If you set one up right, you can have a ton of success with a good spinning setup!
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The other trick I use often is to take all the lures off (nothING tied on), put my boat barely in gear, flip the bail, and just let the line go in the water. I let out 3/4 to sometimes all the line and then reel in. The force of the water going over the line allows the twist in the line to go out. Works every time for me.
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By the way, probably one of the best helpful discussions I've ever encountered on the net. Dks, that was excellent. Sportsmen helping Sportsmen!
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   dks300
Thanks! I've learned a lot over the last year fishing for LSU and I'm going to try to be more active here, maybe I can help shorten the learning curve for someone with some of my experience!
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DKS, any and all help is greatly appreciated!
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