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Dog Hunting on Kisatchie National Forest (Grant Parish)

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My home and land border the national forest and i have lived there over 10 years. The deer population is really down from what I normally see. Today i found out that one of my neighbors down the road killed 9 deer running dogs. I also found out in one day their group got 8 doe's. If i could prove it I would turn them in. With allot of the timber companies outlawing dog running on their property this adds to the pressure on the national forest. Why do we allow this. I hear the same stories every year this group killed that many. I wish you could see the number of trucks on opening weekend (i would say bout 100 easy and that is being nice). Maybe i should have killed the 3 does i saw on my land and just finish them off. If things don't change there will no deer to hunt on Kisatchie for still or dog hunters.
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Tru Dat
Turtleman tallk straight. Them dog runnin aholes done the same on me. They block the road wit they crappy trucks. Dey think dey own the woods and de roads. Even get mad wen you gots to go round dem. dem boys oughta learn to hunt and leave the pooches at home to play wit them childrens. even seen one boy bout 12 year old drinking a beer on the road waiting for them dog to show him how to kill deer. dont understand how moer dem dont get hurt themselves evry year.
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yep
same here cannot do any peaceful hunting on kat. with all the dogs--call the kat. people and complain--which kat. section are you on--the one with catahoula reserve--you can thank the great Henry Mouton for that--
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double yep
its disgusting the way kat. is being over run by dogs,but hopefully one day we will see the end,i am doing my part to have it stopped,no DEER dogs on public lands,do you hear that MOUTON--sorry about that cutter--no other public land WMAs allow deer hunting dogs except for Kat. lands--anyone that hunts wmas with all the people have all kind of compliants just add dogs to the mixture and you have a real mess--
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"the alpo two step"
"dance with'em Henry "... now it's your turn !
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NO DOGS??
No dogs on public lands? That is a contradiction isnt it? PUBLIC means that the public everybody has access with their dogs. Dog hunting is only about 30 days on the Kat, the rest of the year you have rabbit dogs which I hunt on the KAT. Also bird dogs, labs, people bring their pets to camp with them during the spring and summer. No Dogs on public land would not be fair to everybody else that utilizes the National Forest Lands. You have lived next to the KAT over 10 years, I have lived here my whole life 42 years. I do agree that the deer dog hunters are not as respectful as they should be in some cases and they will probably pay for it someday but their not all like that. I do not think NO DOGS on the KAT is the answer.
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post
post is referring to deer hunting mutts--all the other dogs can be controlled and stopped from going on other property--all other dogs are allowed on public wmas except for DEER dogs!!!!!!!
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NO DOGS??
Yes I know I was refering to nutcrackers post. But once again it is public land. Reference is why I dont post here much.
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NO DOGS??
No Prob Nutcracker I stand corrected.
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Cutter, i wasn't saying no dogs because I have done some dog hunting in the past around the house and i believe in PUBLIC land. i am just saying if things don't change there will be no deer on Kat. to hunt. DO you think it is right for one person to kill 9 deer. the attitude i usually see is shoot everything that the dogs run bucks, does and yearlings. there needs to be a change. Cutter, i wasn't saying no dogs because I have done some dog hunting in the past around the house and i believe in PUBLIC land. i am just saying if things don't change there will be no deer on Kat. to hunt. DO you think it is right for one person to kill 9 deer. the attitude i usually see is shoot everything that the dogs run bucks, does and yearlings. there needs to be a change.
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THE KAT
I dont know about killing 9 deer I do good to kill 1 or 2 myself. I cant say anything one way or the other about that, I dont even know if it's true I used to deer hunt in front of dogs I couldn't hardly kill em in front of dogs which is one reason I quit doing it. But I know you didn't mean no dogs I was responding to another post in this thread. People need to be respecful of other folks and their property plain and simple. The sport has changed with the times evolved into what we see today the timber companies leaseing their land has pushed those that cannot aford a lease to the KAT. I will continue to hunt the KAT when I can I kill a good buck off there every year but I hunt when most have finished and gone home for the season, the last week is the best week for me. I hope you can work out your issues with these folks if that's possiable because nothing good can come out of legislation. And that's all I have to say about that!!
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dogs
its quite funny that dog hunters keep saying that they do not kill many deer but its to hear the dogs run and all the other b.s. that goes with it so I will give an example --rabbit hunters use dogs for one purpose and thats to jump rabbits and the largest percentage to harvest them--most folks that rabbit hunt do not leave the dogs home and just walk around in the woods kicking brush piles to jump rabbits--my point is deer or any other hunting dog gives the advantage of finding your game animal that you are hunting versus --still hunting --walking around-grunt calling-bleat calling,etc.It is a proven fact that if not only common sense your group will see more deer which adds up to more possible kills --o5-o6 on kat. had a dog hunter who was driving tell me he had killed 3 deer since the morning--thats what really goes on with public hunting --
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So funny
I think it's funny how jealous still hunters get when dog hunters kill deer. I think dog hunters should rebell against still hunters throwing out feed and using stands. It sounds rediculous, but so does saying no dogs on PUBLIC or leased land bordering another lease. I am sure there are still hunting clubs that border each other that have different rules as to what they kill. How come when never hear crying over,"My club shoot 30 point or better with a 50" spread but they idiots next to us shoot 4 points". Or what about all the outlawing. All you hear on this site is people crying over dogs.
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???
Some of you guys should really wisen up a little. You group all dog hunters together and that is wrong. We don't all disrepect others rights, properties, etc. Just as I'm sure you guys don't sneek onto someone elses lease or land to still hunt. We all know people that do this sort of thing. Use a little sense when you make some of your comments. That's why you all get hammered when you post. It's not that what you're saying is altogether wrong, but that you profile, and that is what's the problem.

No matter what we say, there will always be some people that do not respect others. This holds true in anything we do. It happens on the highway, at the grocery store, and even in church. So until that changes, we need to get along. I think everyone here is basically on the same page, but we have diffent views on things. It doesn't make any of us right or wrong.

We all should be thankful that we can have these debates, because there are some counties that we would be shot or jailed for speaking out.

Have a nice day!

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group
only the ones hunting public lands--all i have seen act the same way--for the one saying all we hear is about dog hunters well that should ring a bell--do you need a nuke bomb to see the problem-

my point is being made on public lands not private land or leases--oh by the way the public lands have no box stands or feeders so find another excuse--
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Point
Most dog hunters in our area hunt private leases. State land is scarce. WMA's don't allow dogs.
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WMA dog hunting
Swamp Man why don't they let dog hunting on WMA's?? WMA's are similar to public land???
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Mud
Can't answer that and I won't try to. They do allow rabbit dogs after deer season for a short time. However, I don't know if allowing dogs to run on WMA's would be beneficial because there are too many people hunting them at this time. WMA's have enough problems with the still hunting morons that don't respect each other. When daylight comes, you can sometimes see three or four hunters within 75 yards or so. Putting dogs in the mix would probably make it worse,
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WMA's
Swamp Man, a dog season in the WMA's would take some pressure off Kat. forest. I am saying in my area the deer population is going down and I think it is directly related to dog hunting pressure. With out some management there will not be deer to hunt for none of us.
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wmas
whats the difference its the same on kat. except for the addition of dog hunting--the answer to no dogs on wmas is you would see 100 times more complaints which would stop it--thats why--
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Mud
I see your point there mud. People being idiots is more of a problem than the dogs themselves.

As for shooter2, you are very opinionated and really need to check up and catch your breath. The area you hunt may be overrun with the type of folks you keep running your mouth about, but we don't have many of those around here and as I said earlier; Not everyone is disrespectful. You show as much disrespect as those dog hunters you talk about. Get a life man. Isn't this America where we have the freedom to Bow hunt, Still Hunt, or Dog Hunt? Move to a place where dog hunting is not allowed at all if you feel that strongly about it, but leave the honest folks here alone.

Peace Brothers!

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sorry
sorry swampy but shooter is not the only one who is expressing the belief of no deer dogs on public land--once you start causing problems with other types of hunting your in the scope sight so don't feel offended if someone speaks out--
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offended
I hear what you're saying nut, it's just a shame that everyone gets a bad rap because of a hand full of bad apples.

Contrary to what some of you guys think, we don't all hunt the way you guys have been describing and actually follow the rules. I personnally love all types and styles of hunting so I'm not against anyone that has respect for others. It just gets old hearing the same complaints over and over. You guys could get together and target the problem people.

Oh, by the way, I hunt private land. I don't hunt public land because of the still hunters that shoot other hunters by accident!

Later...
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Deer DOG
ALL the DEER dog's need to be lined up and shot and DEER dog HUNTERS need to castorated so they quit inbreeding. TO HELL with all those non-sportsman,, inbreed, no moral havin sum of a B.I.T.C.H.E.S
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GR8PIECEOFCRAP
Leave...This is not a kindergarden class!
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Gr8t white hunter
That sounds a little extreme. I would be happy just to see them outlaw dogs so everyone else can hunt in peace without all the dogs making the deer go completely nocturnal.
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Swamp Man, i do know that there are responsible dog hunters out there but in my area they are the minority. I am out. Good luck to all ya'll! and Geaux Saints!!!!!
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Responsible
I can't and I won't defend those guys you've described. They are wrong no matter how you slice it. There is no reason to kill the numbers they kill just for the sake of bragging. I'm just sorry that we all get a bad rap because of them.
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groan
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BayouMudTurtle
...goes to show us "we both have garbage cans in front of the house"...cheer
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Legislation
I will soon be introducing legislation to solve this problem. The simple solution since the dog hunters are causing such a panic amoung the still hunters, is to have a still hunting season with no dogs allowed. Then we should have a dogs only season with no still hunting allowed. Dividing the time equally between the two groups seems to be the only solution where both sides can enjoy their passion for deer hunting and not infringe on others hunting time. To be in the woods during the dogs only season, you will have to be able to verify that there is a group of at least 4 people hunting together as a group with a minimum of 3 running deer dogs.
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Long before You and I
Dog hunting has been around alot longer than our generation has, our fathers and fore-fathers probably hunted using dogs. As far as law breakers, well they are just that law breakers and should be turned in as law breakers. The problem might be most don't want to because they themselves have not held rigidly to the letter of the law.

As far as forcing deer to be nocturnal, it makes more sense for deer to fear human scent than dog scent. So maybe (NOT) you might want to limit who, how many and when hunters would take to the woods to better solve your problem.

Here's a segment taken from Wikipedia about hunting and how mankind has been aided by his k9 counterpart "Although it is largely forgotten by the modern world, the use of dogs in hunting represents a collaboration of persons over time which reaches back to the dawn of our species." TAKEN FROM AN ARTICLE ON HUNTING IN WIKIPEDIA.

BM... my2cents
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Wabbit_bwaster
I like your idea. It makes sense.
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copy and paste again from my other post
Not all dog hunters are trespassers and not all still hunters are legal, ethical hunters either. I do agree with that. Some people are just not sportsmen. I do not agree with anyone shooting a dog that has come onto their property unless it is attacking them or foaming at the mouth. It aint the dog's fault. I also understand that even with the best laid plans and well trained dogs, a dog may still wander onto other properties. If it were an isolated event I'm sure it can be forgiven without a second thought most of the time. The reason people get all fired up is the fact that it happens over and over again and the private land still hunter repeatedly has ruined hunts because of it. All of it wasted after prepping his field, burning vacation days, clearing shooting lanes and all sorts of other things to prepare for the season and driving sometimes hours from home for the hunt. Like I said, I know that it is not all dog hunters but the bad ones cause such a problem for so many people so many times each year that still hunters feel that there is no other option but to try to ban dog hunting altogether. There arenít any other options left for them and no.. most still hunters have no interest in joining the race. The problem is not the dog hunting itself, it is the unsportsmanlike conduct of so many dog hunters that makes still hunters want to do away with it especially when time and again the same excuse comes out of the same smug face repeatedly all season, "I can't control where the dogs go". I got news for ya, most dog hunters have more control over their dogs than they let on and allot of it depends on where the dogs are turned loose. I hunted 50 acres of land owned by my grandfather and watched as some doghunters dropped off their dogs where they would run through 3 properties before arriving on the property that belonged to the dog hunters. My 50 acres of land was the path of about 25 dogs, needless to say, the deer were not gonna be staying there. My grandfather even told me to shoot the dogs but I did not. I did not think that it would solve the problem and I could not shoot a dog for not knowing it was not supposed to be there. But I did have some anger twards those redneck hunter wannabees for ruining every day I could spend in the woods in my younger years. Just my .02.
Blake
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dogs suck
I hope thay do away with dog hunting.They mess me up all the time
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seasons
you dog hunting folks already have a season to yourself because when you run dogs nobody else can hunt in peace--but of course with two seasons dog hunters could really trespass on private property without still hunters on there land--a solution for only doggie bunch--yeah right--
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Dog/Still hunt seasons?
Rabbit Blaster,Since you said you were "introducing legislation", I assume you are a legislator. Separate seasons is not going to solve any conflicts between still hunters and dog hunters. Unless the seasons are lenthened,this would only shorten the season for still hunters. Sounds a trifle and stupid to me...but, that is not a rare adjective for our Legislature' acts. If you want to do some good,support a bonus buck tag or two;or better yet, persuade the LW&F to go back to the 6 any deer limits. I have an occasional dog run thru my property during dog season,butjust running thru doesn't affect the deer anyway.
Such a split may be good for public lands, but don't jack with private lands with such a split.
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Sledge
Now maybe you can see what the dog hunters have been dealing with for quite a while now. It's obvious just how angry the idea of someone taking away part of your hunting makes you. What I suggested is no different from what many of the still hunters want to do. Think about it, if what I suggested actually took place and every few years there were a few days taken away from still hunting and added to dog hunting, every still hunter would be outraged. That's just how dog hunters feel now, because that is exactlly what is happening to them. I haven't dog hunted (for deer) in years, but I have no ill feeling toward the legal ethical dog hunters. I do have the same feeling toward the illegal, unethical dog hunter that I do any other hunter that is doing something illegal, or unethical. If you see someone breaking the law, report them.
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season
if you fenced in all dog hunting areas then it would be no problem to have dog hunting from oct 1 to Jan 31--the hunting is not the problem with dog hunting its the trespassing and nusiance to other types of hunting--i know you guys are not that stupid to know this is the problem but fail to acknowledge it--because as soon as you acknowledge the problem then your guilty--i understand your position but its the sport your in that is causing the talk against dog hunting--plain and simple--

the only time i see any neg. comments about still hunting or bow hunting etc. is from the dog bunch only because of trying to get even from all types of hunters against dog hunting--its in black and white on this site and talking to land owners --public land hunters that you guys whether or not that you want to believe it are a growing problem within the hunting community and non-hunting folks--sorry but thats what i see and hear--
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?????
Maybe "still hunters" should fence in their property. Reason being, they can keep trespassers (both 2 and 4 legged) out, keep the deer in so they can "manage their herd", and you can do anyhting you want in privacy.
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great idea
great idea the best fence would be a low fence which would put you guys out of hunting completely once the deer jumped on still hunting side--but i know you guys could not stand it and start cutting fences--sad but true
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