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Plaquemines Parish public land permit

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Anyone have any information on a parish land permit? A friend of mine called to tell me there was an ordenice passed a couple months ago saying you had to purchase a permit to hunt school board land. Any info would be greatly appreciated because I found nothing on the internet.
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Just finished up a story on exactly what you're talking about ... Looks like it will get interesting when duck season starts in November .....
Here's the link: http://www.louisianasportsman.com/details.php?id=12426
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I believe you attached the wrong link. Thanks for the info
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Oops, my bad .... Try this one:

http://www.louisianasportsman.com/details.php?id=12428
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Sounds like a big old crock of sh** to me! Guess me and all my buddies ain't putting a dime into plaquemines parish this year. Let's see how they do after a season or two without the backing of the people who travel down to hunt and fish that area.
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Oh boy, this stinks to high heaven. What a slippery slope this council is going down. Pay the fees this year boys and then before you know it they will want $500, $1000, or who knows how much. $250 for a processing fee, puh-lease. I can see maybe a five dollar fee but even that is a stretch.
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Good proposal Edgecombe and Others on council that voted in this one.

I'll may sure my crew doesn't spend a dime above boat launch. We'll bring our bait, ice, lures, shotgun shells, gas, diesel, food, drinks, and other misc items for my camp.

Maybe these owners may want to get involved:Chevron(donut shop), Dollar store, Venice marina & restaurant, Joshua bar, Daiquiri shop, Orange festival, Chinese restaurant, Subway, Ace hardware, Happy land, Hansens seafood dock, Salvo's, Zidecos, Velvet, and others we spend money.

Our group spends about 1800/21,600 Month/Year on average and have influence on friends,customers,and co-workers as well; you don't have to be genius to figure this one.
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Same here. I have a group of 7 that goes down for a week a year. We stay at the marina buy food in Belle Chase on the way Down, buy gas and misc items at the marina all in Plaquemines parish. Between the 7 of us we spend several thousand dollars in that parish that we will gladly give to another parish or even another state. Not a smart idea when you try and Detur the sportsman from going to sportsman paradise.
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Don't pay for the permits and hunt on the pass o loutre wma and on the delta refuge. Its only for parish land. There are so many out of state guides who come down set up for the season. Mostly guide on parish property. They make a tremendous amount of money without obtaining any sort of lease. Build 10 to 15 boat blinds in prime areas on parish land. Then run you out of them if you are in there blind on parish property. After the season head back to Georgia or Alabama go back home for free other than renting a house boat for the season. Whoooo!!!! Made $50,000 this year on parish land hunts in 2 months. Dam we did good. See yall next year. Man we did a awesome job of keeping everyone else from hunting in any of our 15 blinded up areas on all that parish land. So there is the Question. Should this practice be allowed. Has anyone ever went on a guided hunt in any state for anything that was not properly leased with a insurance policy in place in case an accident happen ???? Lets go to Alabama this year with our 4wheelers pull off on the side of the road. Go put a bunch of stands up, start charging guide hunts, kill as many deer as we can and go home after the season. Not going to happen is it. As far as the guys who are just coming in every weekend from out of state to come hunting with his 4 to 20 friends. Some of you will buy the permit and most of you wont. There was someone in a post above that said he would pay for launch but buy nothing else in the parish. And said he would go hunt in another state. Which would result in leasing property, having proper insurance, paying a guide who leases property,
or hunting the wma or federal refuges. Start hitting that calculator at 5,6,$7,000 a year for 2 months for a lease. Instead of a $250 permit if you are hunting on parish property. So its simple. Pay the $250 permit to be able to hunt on all the parish property with the entourage of mud boats that rip up the hell out of the marsh, Roseau patches, feed, and whatever else they run across. Don't buy them and continue to flood the campgrounds, wma's, and delta refuge. Or go to another state and lease the property you will be hunting on like everyone else in the country does.
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Maybe I missed something but it looks to me it says $ 50.00 for residents .
They could just lease it out then you would pay a lot more than $50.00.....
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$50 to residents and $250 to non residents. and there is a major player in the parish whos name will not be mentioned which tried to acquire all the parish land for himself and was turned down. If that option comes up he will be the first to know and will pay whatever the cost to have all parish land plus his land for him
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Will us military members who work in Belle Chasse receive a reduced fee? If not I will not hunt this year down there either. Is it 50.00 a boat or each person requires this permit?
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its going to be per person
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Ouch! However, others have a point.... Where do I get my permit?
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yes mud diver $50 or $250 is nothing for duck hunting. Got friends that go to the Lafayette area and pay 5 and $6,000 for 1 blind. if you call any guide down in this parish they charge an average of $200 to $250 to drive you across the river and make one morning hunt which as we all know can be over before 7am. So to pay for the permit if you are hunting on parish property all season. Whether it be 3 hunts or 50 is a minimum price to pay.
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I am more concerned with the mud motor restrictions they are trying to pass. From what I hear it’s a mud motor ban and not restriction. I will pay my money for the permit, I don’t pay property taxes in the parish so I don’t mind paying $250, which is cheap for good hunting grounds. As far as guiding on pariah land, I don’t think that should be allowed.
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oh man. a mud motor ban. my god it would be amazing to see the hunting in lower Plaquemines parish get back to like it used to be. Any one who has been hunting in the area for any length of time remember how easy it was to kill ducks and how many were in any area you went before the 10,000 mudboats run every ounce and inch of land from as soon as the limit is killed til time for the 10,000 boats finally run every duck in the area out to make the evening hunt. Man it used to be awesome. But don't worry guys doubt if that will ever happen. We talk to the conservation duck count guy in pass o loutre often. Shows us his paperwork and shows us the difference in ducks killed in non motor area to the run all over all day run everything out of town areas. Wonder why the guys who put the effort to pirogue in and hunt un aggravated birds are killing ducks??? Guess they just get lucky every season in those areas.
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DB2013 I have hunted Plaquemines parish for 35 years I remember: 'like it use to be' and have seen many changes. But also remember big declines in duck numbers in Plaquemines before the surface drives were in the picture.

Would environment changes have an effect? (marshes,salt water intrusion)
Could human related factors contribute to duck staying up north longer during hunting seasons? (no till farming corn & beans or flooding crop fields)

I remember hunting in Port Sulphur 'like it use to be': easy limits many years ago, can you blame it on the surface drive-boats or the guides from out of town why there is no ducks?
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Folks,
Who do I contact to get more info. I have 2 buddies (we are all military) that are dropping out if they have to more than the 'resident' fee. I am a native so I have a lifetime license however in recent years, the state has taken care of us as far as fees go. However, not sure where Plaqemines parish will stand. I assume we will have to go in person to sign the agreements, etc..

PS.
Team Xtreme has a very good point. Venice is a zoo on opening day and many plates are out of state people and guides (the trucks are decked out with advertising) all over the parking lots. I have hunted down the road my entire life and am taken back by this crap.
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team extreme didn't say that mud boats are the only reason for lack of ducks. But the constant non stop pressure of running boat after boat after boat will not allow them to rest and eat and sit. As I said in pass o loutre we talk to the duck count guy weekly. Why is it in black and white on paper that by his counts from stops in the marsh constantly have way better numbers by on non motor areas than other areas. Also which everyone knows to go to the refuge and kill the hell out of them. We have always stated with our hunting group yall run your mud boats to they run out of gas scouting, harassing, scaring every sitting duck in the marsh out and we gonna go to the refuge and kill ducks coming comfortably to the decoys. Well now if you can beat the mudboats to your spot on the refuge. or watch them pull into there boat blinds all over the refuge. Well Im sure everyone else that hunts down there has seen this practice and is sick of it. Also never said out of town guides are reason for no ducks. They are the main reason you can barely go on parish property and find a decent place to hunt since they flood the marsh for 2 months building blinds every where to stake claim to what is rightfully theirs to prevent you from hunting their pond or bay blind. After all they deserve to do so since they went to the parish office, leased 3,000 acres of land. Put in place a insurance policy in case of a accident. Went put posted signs on their parish land lease. Oh shoot, im down in the marsh about 40 ish days. I missed all of those legal hunting practices that they have done to do this. Any body knows any one that owns or hunts on the land on the WEST side of the river. Absolutely insane with the ducks. Why??? Privately leased or owned and managed every day to keep everyone off. You should see the ducks Its incredible. Have a great season guys. Do your best to not get run over by one of the 5,000 mudboats operated by these kids which run and sound like a hopped up dragster. Good season to all
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Why are people getting so butt hurt about surface drives????? Y'all know a outboard with a jack plate and a bored out pisser does the same damage or worse! They won't ban mud motors no matter how bad y'all want them to just because some old guys think there too loud that's like saying hey guys I know y'all like cheys but we're going to be a Ford only parish, we like the low emissions and the convenience of having a big hard handle to grab on while we climb into the back of our trucks, hey they probably love going to Uncle Rick's in Gatlinburg ALOT! But I think that would be just a bad look for the poor people of plaqumines parish. But idk they do got some jack leg passing hunting permits and fishing permits that make no sense so I guess we will just see how it goes.
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DB2013 I'm very sorry you feel mud-boats(motorized pi-rouges,long tails) has compromised your hunting however, they have been in parish for very long time along with air boats. Surface drives seems more of an issue, lets not forget air boats running ducks all over for may years either.

Lets be real if you choose not to hunt from surface driven boat don't bash fellow sportsmen for doing so, it is Legal they are not breaking any laws. I am very thankful to have this public opportunity, we have choices Delta, Pass A loutre in evenings or get a private lease.

I 100 percent agree with you on someone putting up blinds and running you out, I have had more run-ins with local guide services than non resident guides . What's not right either is lease holders posting tidal water way access to public lands . Locals guides posting school board properties with written leases from people that has mineral rights only.

In closing would like to say I have no problem with anyone who hunts legal( resident or non) and respects our privilege. Lets learn to adapt and stop blaming for our short Cummings. God bless and have safe and productive opener.
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'.... Locals guides posting school board properties with written leases from people that has mineral rights only...'
This practice is not helping matters. This type of lease from a mineral rights only landowner appears to be a deficient type of legal lease. The legal mineral rights owner may well be permitted to lease his mineral rights but, it may be unlawful to lease the surface land for uses other than mineral 'production' use. Can't lease it to a local Louisiana guide service to use for his hunting/fishing business. It's time someone challenges this gentleman (fish/hunt guide). This practice started last season and has really ---ssed off hunters. Loads of hunters I encountered at the marinas have commented of their anger towards this guide service and the steps they will take to combat his guide service when they are out. While I do not condone any type of violent reaction I totally understand their anger. I believe that this guide’s actions are not helping this current 'permit' situation. While this guide has taken a stance against the 'permit' issue he quietly erected those posted signs on the public property last season. His current position against the 'permit' issue may be a smoke screen to deflect anger directed towards his (possible) illegal pseudo mineral lease actions. An important factor to not overlook is what are these types of actions doing? On the one hand we have a rouge councilman passing asinine regulations, we have misinformed individuals blaming mud motors, we have local well known guide service placing posted signs all over public lands under the guise of a 'lease' for the mineral rights, we have old hunters lamenting the good ol days when there were no mud boats, no air boats, we have people who 4 yrs ago blamed Arkansas for short stopping our ducks and now blame mud motors. What I'm saying is that we as duck hunters may be getting too 'fractured', we are losing our one voice. Our one strong, united voice is needed to stop actions by misguided local councilmen when they propose these things. But, when we have many factions we get one group whispering in a councilman's ear as to what a wonderful plan of action this new regulation is, or we get another group convincing the parish to agree to lease the public property when you really cannot lease away surface rights when you only own mineral rights. We cannot become enemies within or amongst ourselves. Full disclosure- I'm not saying I have the answers. I sure wish I did. I am just a long time plaquemine's parish (and Atchafalaya) duck hunter who has seen all the changes. Yes, I have seen the introduction of mud motors and airboats into the area. In my opinion they have not destroyed our marshes. Just my personal, non-scientific opinion on the mud motor/airboat issue: It's not the mud boats/airboats destroying the marsh, it’s not the number of boats running across the marshes. I do not believe and have not seen any long-term destruction of our marshes by a mud motor that sinks into 2-4 inches of mud and sand, or of airboats that run on top of mud or a bed of marsh grass. I would think the bigger issue would be mother nature- hurricanes, storm surges, force of waves, tides, nutria, possibly oil companies dredging canals etc. I do not believe mud motor and airboats are destroying our marshes. What I do believe is that they are easy targets/scapegoats. Oil companies love blaming someone besides themselves. Councilmen cannot regulate mother nature so pretending to 'do something' by passing asinine regulations may make him feel good, it does nothing for us. Sorry for the long diatribe but I get worried that we as a group of duck hunters are letting the minority rule us. The minority being the guide services trying to monopolize their business to the detriment of the outdoor loving 'normal' self hunter, the minority being the council trying to regulate us, the minority being the anti-mud boat/air boat group, and on & on. You get the point. We as duck hunters must present a united front and don't let ourselves get split up. That is the enemies plan- and it's a damm good plan. Conquer and divide has worked for centuries. If a minority group of anti-mud boat/airboat group says they are destroying our marshes, then we need to hold these groups accountable. Make them submit scientific data/studies that prove without a doubt a mud motor running 2-4 inches in the mud or hard sandy bottom is hurting the marsh or an airboat skimming across a mud flat or floating on a bed of marsh grass is destroying the marsh. Prove it- don’t just yell & complain about mud boats/airboats. If a minority group/person of a local guide outfitter is trying to claim public property as their own private paradise, then we need to speak up. Call out their buddies on the council who secretly approved the behind closed doors lease deals. We can’t let these people take away our love of the outdoors or how we choose to love our outdoors. If we want to use a bateau with an outboard, a bay boat loaded with pirogues, an airboat, mud motor, whatever we choose then we should have the right to choose ourselves. And lastly- if we can all use common courtesy when we are out there it will go along way. As the number of hunters increase we need to use common sense and respect our fellow hunters space. Let’s don’t fight amongst ourselves. Let’s get united and fight back for our rights to enjoy Louisiana’s incredible bounty of wildlife activities. Sorry for the long rambling, I just get caught up in loving our great outdoors.
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Any more word on this?
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I think $250 is not a terribly high amount of money to pay for a lease for how many acres? That's the point. If the parish put out official maps of their land that you were paying to lease it might be worth it. Its ridiculous to pay for a lease without a map showing WHAT YOU ARE LEASING. Then the majority of this crap would be settled. Also, guide services should not be allowed to operate at all period on parish owned land if they lease to individuals.

Next, let's encourage the state to issue permits for the amount of hunters allowed on any certain day on the WMA's with surface drive engines, unless it's a paddle area only. Look around, pretty much every state that has these sort of issues (too many hunters running all the wildlife off with excessive pressure.) Lotteries, draws, or first come, first serve programs are very successful.

My two cents.
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huntnut you are not getting a lease. You will just have the same rights that anyone who pays this fees will have. Another words if you like to hunt point X and Joe-blow decides he likes point X too, and he has a permit like you, he will have the rights to Point X and all the other school board land. You won't be able to chase him off. They are charging for the privledge to hunt all school board land. No specific land will be your lease.

My question is that I hunt private land but cross school board land to get to it. will I be charged for passing through? Who can I call about my questions?
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Call the tax assessors office I guess. These clowns do not have a map ready so who in the right mind would pay them a dime? They need to back up and get thier ducks in a row before wanting to charge people, maybe delay the permit until next year. It is so close to duck season now and people still don’t know what’s going own.As of now I am not buying a permit when I go hunt PP land, There had to be ways of communicating this to the public. If it wasn’t for social media or forums most people
Would have no clue.
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I have to agree, nobody knows whats going on with the permit. I talked to three different people about the permit when we went for teal season and everybody had different stories. They need to be more prepared instead of deciding last second to force a permit down our throats. There has not been any new information released in months. Go ahead and put it off for a year, hear hunters opinions when they arrive this year. I think the permit is a good idea, but there are many flaws that hunters should have a voice on, the prices, maps should be involved in the purchase and the ways to purchase the permit need to be easier. When we head that way we usually do not arrive till close to midnight. Thats going to prevent us from hunting day 1 while we have to deal with a permit. Many questions that show this was not very carefully thought out.
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any new updates? who do we get info from on the permits? Any info on the guide service who is posting up all over the school board property? Who is in charge of leasing him the school board prop? which board member or councilman worked that deal out with him? and why did he get to lease it? For past 25 yrs it was understood that school board prop was for public use. Maybe this was never true all those years....
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I talked to G&F and they told me that they would not be checking or enforcing anything for PP permits. They told me the only thing to worry about would be PP sheriffs office checking. I have talked to 5 or 6 guys that hunt down there regularly and they hadn't heard a word about the permit situation.

Every PP official I have talked to gave me a different story every time so I won't be purchasing a permit and if it really is enforced I will be finding a new parish to spend money in or take the little boat ride to Pass a loutre.
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I heard they had a public meeting Monday for people to ask questions. It stated that they wanted to get the publics input before the final vote in which they wanted to put more restrictions on mud motors. I am going to hunt the crap out of that land and not think twice about their unorganized effort to pass a piss poor ordinance.
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Just think if they did like cameron and vermillion and lease out the parish lands... You think 50 or 250 is steep... it's a bargain
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Does anyone have an update from opening weekend regarding enforcement of the permits?
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update- Watch out for 2nd split. Heard from Sheriff's office deputies that orders are out to strictly enforce the new 'permit' requirements. They said they were lenient for 1st split but can't do that for 2nd.
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If you pay the fee for the 'permit', will they issue an accurate map of the parish boundaries so we don't get a trespassing ticket on someone else's land? I am trying to contact the GIS dept. to find out, but have not heard anything yet.

Thanks,
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No, they will not issue a map. The map the parish has and which you can “view” has a flaw- the map does not disclose which areas are currently leased to the guide (and others) in those areas. The map merely shows all land the parish owns. Does not show if leased or not. Even if leased the parish still owns the land. Not too helpful.
Side note: I understand there are “issues” with those leased areas. As some of you know we’ve recently seen those posted signs by a local guide. There are concerns about how these leases were issued and negotiated by the parish. Have heard from close sources that these concerns have been discussed behind closed doors by the parish leaders. The obvious concern is how this person got the land leased when nobody else was aware of the availability, wasn’t put out for public review and/or public bid. This will be a royal mess before we’re done.
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