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Who Dat Goona Eat Dem Fish-Not Me!!

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Hate to be the bearer of bad news but someone needs to step to the proverbial plate and I feel extremely qualified to speak on the toxic water being discharged into the Lake Pontchartrain Basin.My degree from UNO is Biological Sciences with a Minor in Chemistry and one of my favorite UNO Professors,the recently-deceased Robert Kashner,PhD would be mighty proud of what I am embarking upon-an expose' on the toxicity and dangers presented by the flooding of the Lake with seriously contaminated MS River water.First things first,I totally understand why the Bonnet Carre' Spillway was opened and why it continues to flood the Lake with ridiculously contaminated water.My major beef is that I feel it is irresponsible at best to continue down the path of routine Spillway Openings and perhaps a more ecologically responsible course would be to seriously dredge the River,fix terribly inadequate levees,open the Morganza to somewhat relieve some pressure on the MS and from what I have heard,there is the danger of NOT being able to close the Morganza after opening it,what a waste of flood protection!!!
Now,let's get to the issue of what exactly might be lurking in all that beautiful,muddy MS River water.I have done quite a bit of searching to find what exactly might be in the MS and for starters here are some facts about the River.It happens to be the 4th longest river in the world,possibly the second-most polluted US waterway and all or parts of 31 states drain into either the MS or tributaries that make their way into the MS.From what my searching has shown,more than 12.7 million lbs of toxic chemicals like nitrates,arsenic,benzene,and Mercury have been dumped into the River.What is even worse is that compounds like Chloride,Cyanide,Phosphorus,PCB's,PFOS(perflurooctane sulfate)are extremely common in all that beautiful water and the best is yet to come,the wonderful algae blooms that rob the Lake of Oxygen,sink to the bottom and cause hypoxia(lack of Oxygen)and contribute to Dead Zones,surely everyone has heard about the magnificent Dead Zones in the Gulf of Mexico that are EXPANDING exponentially.
Here are some of the contaminants 'swimming in the MS River' and now surely 'swimming in the Lake'.Get ready for plenty of contaminated fish,shell fish,marine life,etc contaminated with some of these wonderful things:Pesticides,Herbicides,2,4-D,Acetochlor,Atrazine,Metalachlor.Atrazine has been linked to prostate cancer and other cancer in humans and reproductive deformities in frogs.Acetochlor has been classified ' probable human carcinogen'.Mercury presents a major issue in that it is present in baitfish that are in turn ingested by 'predator fish'(most of what folks routinely catch are considered predator fish-specks,reds,flounders,etc).The bioaccumulation of Mercury presents a serious issue in that predator fish'accumulate' this wonderful compound and they may have more than ten times the levels of the 'baitfish' they consume and a report on the Health of the MS,based in Minnesota,suggested eating 'non-predator' fish and bear in mind this is from MN,quite a stark contrast to the environmental situation in our section of the MS River.Guess one could consume mullets,not me,but where ya gonna find 'non-predator' fish,folks!!!
I could go on and on and will cartainly do my part to convince folks not to consume ANYTHING originating in Lake P possibly for a long,long time and cyanobacteria,E.coli,etc are not to be ignored and just think of it this way,MS closed ALL beaches and told their residents to NOT consume fish where algae blooms took place.There are way too many toxic contaminants from the River for my liking and it may be a great thing to catch reds right now but I for one would not even for one second consider consuming ANYTHING originating in the Lake,way too dangerous and just check with the American Cancer Society for the list of probable cancinogens very common in River water and guess where all that River water has been diverted to and with the record heat we have been having,way too toxic an environment.
Just read interestingly similar report of demise of Mosquito Lagoon and it sounds very similar to the demise of our estuary,Corps of Engineers involved in both situations.Apparently,the Corps dumped 1.2 billion gallons/day of freshwater down St.Lucie Canal and into Indian River Lagoon and their fishery has suffered mightily and the cyanobacteria(blue green algae)robbed the area of oxygen causing the obvious decline in fish and the author of this article,Andrew McKean,advised that he would in no way consume anything from the area involved,Mosquito Lagoon.From what I hear,this is world-class fishing,just like what we have or did have.
As a coincidence,our older son grew some incredibly delicious pink oyster mushrooms and from the looks of what is going on across our coast,the only oysters we might be consuming are pink oyster mushrooms.Sadly,the St.Bernard Commercial fisherman may be at a total loss for at least a few years or so and that should irritate all of us that enjoy sport fishing,consuming shellfish,or just enjoy a ride to the Coast to wadefish(aint gonna happen,at least not me)and something needs to be done in short order.
Sorry to be the bearer of horrible news,maybe Lee Zurik should take up the torch and I know of one other individual that may want to get on board and he was able to take down a Parish Coroner,District Attorney and with his power,perhaps some changes will be made before it is way too late.

Mandevillian

P.S. Consider one other very disturbing fact.The half-lives of many of these contaminants is a measure of how long it takes to degrade one-half of the compound and unfortunately,PCB's(used in industrial applications,paints,plastic,rubber,mechanical lubricants)have a half-life of 10-15 years and one source cited Mercury as having a half-life of 444 years.Other forms of Mercury have far shorter half-lives 52 days for commonly found methymercury.Methylmercury is the form of Mercury found in fish and it is not soluble,leading to bioaccumulation.
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That’s not a very pretty picture you’re painting. A large source of extra water and nitrates coming down river I s a result of ethanol fuel. When gas prices shot up to nearly four dollars a gallon, demand for farmland doubled as price of corn nearly doubled. Many of the farms along the length of the Mississippi had CRP fields of native grasses and trees. Most of these are on hillsides adjacent to large flat fields. These CRP fields were under contract thru government for approximately $50 acre not to plant and leave in native grasses and trees. These grasses and trees captured a lot of the water and nitrates, phosphates, lime etc that runs off field. Most of these CRP fields being hillsides have creeks or streams at bottom. These flow into local rivers which eventually flow into Mighty Mississippi. When fuel prices soared to $4 gallon with great Al Gore ethanol disaster, many of these CRP fields were bulldozed and turned into marginal farmland which allows tremendous runoff. Landowners were offered around $240 acre in Illinois for farming rights to this land when prices were artificially escalated for ethanol. So you add all this water flowing off all these farms filled with fertilizers and pesticides injected into water stream and you see why we have rising rivers. We need to find ways to contain water and let it soak back into earth rather than shed it into streams.
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Mandevillian, is my tap water safe to drink?
Do you think the folks treating the Mississippi River water before they send it to my house have any idea what they are sending?
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I don’t know about NOLA , but at one time , and probably still , down in this way I could remember only sand and chlorine was used to treat the water coming out of the river
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Oh forgot to mention that about once a year we get a post card from Parish stating just how much chemical 💩 is in our water and is Safe to Drink According To The Federal Guidelines
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NOLABORN,I am not gonna go out on a limb and save unequivocally that NO drinking water safe to drink and I will tell you that when I lived in Kenner we got Kentwood water delivered to us.My understanding is that there are some very sophisticated filtration systems in place to filter out contaminants and were that not the case,there would most likely be plenty class action lawsuits regarding unsafe drinking water.Where I live,we have a deep free-flowing Artesian well(1050 ft deep)and I hope and pray that our drinking water is safe.
I did not include the sources of herbicides and pesticides and the source of Cyanide and Chloride is MN where road salting very common practice in winter and guess where all those salts end up??There are many fingers to point in many directions and I just saw one of my Jesuit High classmates,Harold Bosworth,on Fox 8 talking about the NO levees.Hope and pray that those levees are well-constructed,as he pointed out and I have heard from numerous folks that the crux of the issue is that there is significant levee seepage,never a good thing,and perhaps the Corps knows full well the levee situation,hence the continued Spillway Opening,creating such a wonderful Lake P environment!!I for one do NOT drink New Orleans tap water,if I can avoid it and perhaps one could find a testing facility(independent)to sample and test random samples of NO tap water.We feel blessed on the NShore but bass are known to contain Mercury,perhaps I will become 'Yankie-izzed' and practice 'catch and release' with regard to fishing,what a waste of possible food but safety should trump eating possibly contaminated fish.
Take a look at the recent Outdoor Life article and if that and my expose' does not raise concerns,nothing will!!!

Mandevillian
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Wiz,Think if I were you I might consider Kentwood drinking water.Whenever I get half a chance I might want to bring you some of our Artesian water in addition to Honey's honey.Had to get me just a teaspoon last night and we are truly amazed at the work our older son's bees did and my huge bee box almost finished!!

Mandevillian
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At the cost of many billion$$$ of our tax dollars...possibly each and EVERY STATE bordering the Mississippi River has to construct a 'spillway-structure'to divert a set amount of water into THEIR OWN land/lakes which would greatly lessen the overflow into our State!

Additionally, EVERY STATE bordering the Mississippi River should have laws forbidding building/constructing any type of businesses, homes, malls, etc (due to concrete foundations-lessening rain fall absorption) to WITHIN 1,000 feet of the banks of the Mississippi River...THIS INCLUDES MINNESOTA!!!

After many years of Federally sponsored studies (BS) maybe something will be done to positively help our river situation here in Louisiana.

Only my opinions...
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Thanks,John C!!Got some awesome news while I was at the Abita KC hall getting ready for our monthly home deliveries of Food Bank boxes of non-perishable items to shut-ins.My boat mechanic texted me telling me he was ready to reinstall the lower unit of my Johnson 50,what a beast it is,and he ordered a few parts for the cam roller(throttle)that he said will allow de beast to be opened up more at wide-open-throttle and last trip out,less than full throttle with two fishermen aboard,we cruised at easy 30 mph!!!Hope this Tropical System flushes out that nasty,chemically-contaminated MS River water.
I checked the lower unit by grabbing the prop and slowly turning her and this lower unit better than when I purchased the boat way back in about 2004!!!Not sure where I will be fishing post Storm but pretty much can assure ya dat I won't be consuming ANY Lake P fish or crabs for a very long time and those folks that do are asking for major issues(things dat may not show up for many,many years but why risk it)!!!Good luck to all and let's hope for the best!!

Mandevillian
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I love these posts. It lowers the price of the seafood that I buy.
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Just saw on Fox 8 dat our wonderful Spillway may stay open til about the 28th of this month,making sure to lower the prices of some pretty contaminated seafood,not a joke,and I would be extremely wary of seafood originating in the Pontchartrain Basin.Met up with de Wiz yesterday at Slidell Sportsman's Warehouse,he and Buddy and I picked up some supplies and we moaned about the water quality in all of our areas and now it may be much,much longer before the Lake recovers,if al all,a sad situation.John C brought up some interesting points-why can't states that contribute to the MS or tributaries off the MS contribute their share of flood protection control via their our Spillways???Would make way too much sense and lessen the load on us!!!

Mandevillian
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As of today the river level is predicted to be 13.8 feet on August 13....Above the 12.5 area even with the pins back in place there is a lot of flow seeping through so there will be a good flow into the lake for a while...
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DATE ARSA4 GEEM6 VCKM6 NTZM6 RRLL1 BTRL1 DONL1 RRVL1 NORL1
07-17-19 38.8 50.8 48.3 56.4 59.8 42.1 30.0 22.5 16.1
07-18-19 38.7 50.6 47.9 55.8 59.6 42.0 29.8 22.4 16.1
07-19-19 38.5 50.5 47.7 55.4 59.0 41.8 29.8 22.4 16.1
07-20-19 38.1 50.3 47.5 55.2 58.7 41.5 29.6 22.4 16.0
07-21-19 37.7 49.8 47.2 55.0 58.5 41.2 29.4 22.2 16.0
07-22-19 37.2 49.4 46.8 54.7 58.3 41.0 29.2 22.0 15.9
07-23-19 36.7 48.9 46.3 54.4 58.1 40.8 29.1 21.9 15.9
07-24-19 36.2 48.4 45.9 54.0 57.6 40.5 29.0 21.9 15.8
07-25-19 35.6 47.9 45.4 53.5 57.3 40.2 28.7 21.7 15.7
07-26-19 35.0 47.4 44.8 53.0 56.9 39.8 28.6 21.5 15.6
07-27-19 34.5 46.9 44.3 52.5 56.4 39.4 28.3 21.4 15.4
07-28-19 33.9 46.3 43.7 52.0 56.0 39.0 27.9 21.2 15.3
07-29-19 33.4 45.8 43.2 51.4 55.5 38.5 27.7 21.0 15.2
07-30-19 32.8 45.3 42.7 50.9 55.0 38.0 27.3 20.8 15.1
07-31-19 32.4 44.8 42.2 50.5 54.6 37.6 27.0 20.5 15.0
08-01-19 32.0 44.4 41.8 50.0 54.2 37.2 26.7 20.3 14.9
08-02-19 31.7 44.0 41.5 49.6 53.7 36.7 26.5 20.1 14.8
08-03-19 31.3 43.7 41.1 49.2 53.4 36.4 26.2 20.0 14.7
08-04-19 31.0 43.3 40.7 48.8 53.0 36.1 25.9 19.8 14.6
08-05-19 30.7 43.1 40.4 48.5 52.7 35.7 25.8 19.6 14.5
08-06-19 30.5 42.9 40.1 48.1 52.4 35.5 25.6 19.5 14.4
08-07-19 30.2 42.6 39.8 47.8 52.2 35.2 25.4 19.4 14.3
08-08-19 30.0 42.4 39.5 47.5 52.0 35.0 25.2 19.3 14.3
08-09-19 29.7 42.1 39.2 47.2 51.7 34.8 25.0 19.2 14.2
08-10-19 29.5 41.9 38.9 47.0 51.5 34.5 24.8 19.0 14.1
08-11-19 29.2 41.7 38.7 46.7 51.3 34.3 24.7 18.9 14.0
08-12-19 29.0 41.4 38.5 46.5 51.1 34.1 24.5 18.8 13.9
08-13-19 28.7 41.2 38.3 46.3 50.9 34.0 24.4 18.7 13.8
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Thanks,now it may be even longer before anything from Lake P Basin safe to eat and dead zones in Gulf will be expanding even more than exponentially!!!Wonderful news and better get seafood from E Coast!!

Mandevillian
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https://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=NWS&issuedby=ORN&product=ESP&format=txt&version=1&glossary=0

This comes from the weather section on this website...
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YYYYEEEEAAAAHHHH............. there is a lot of bad with the spillway opening, but i really doubt large scale contamination of the indigenous animal protein is occurring. The DEQ has a pretty liberal number of fish consumption advisories for various waterways but none for the muddy Mississippi. I don't think concerns about toxic cyanobacteria are as dire as the media is making it out to be, we haven't seen pets, wildlife or people getting ill; mostly just precautionary beach closures. Sure there are industrial contaminants in that river but they have literally never been more dilute than they are at this moment since this is the highest flow the river has ever seen on an annual basis. People have been eating fish from venice, the canaervon and lake Salvador without any anxiety and all theses areas have routine river water injections. What is the alternative??? Chicken nuggets from chicken fed crops irrigated with river water and pogies cuaght out of venice?? But I applaud your caution and I hope everyone else goes totally catch and release or just quits fishing before they drop the trout limits!!! More seriously my friends currently working in water quality frequently tell me 'DON'T EAT THOSE FISH' from freshwater waterways in the state but have not said that about the river or the lake. The bigger issue I see with the river water is the chronic turbidity throughout the estuary which is inhibiting all manner of normal processes. As well as the excess nutrients that cause algal blooms ect. And of course you can't have a brackish fish fisheries in a kentwood jug! Assuming that the river does not make a habit of being out its banks for 10 months at a time I don't think we will see permanent environmental collapse of the Pontchartrain Basin but going forward the lake will be (as it traditionally was before the MRGO) a fresh to modestly brackish body of water. As far as using the morganza; forget it since it puts Morgan City at risk so that will never be the preferred way of dispensing with overflows. If you look at the history of the Mississippi river the pattern seems to be one of a decade or so of flood events then 10-25 years of normal to low flows, hopefully this will be the last spillway opening of the current outbreak.
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Maybe the nutrient rich water of the river will mix with the dead water from Blind river and I would think 51 and reserve canal. Blind river got dead minnows and shad swimming on top with other fish mixed in as far as 5 miles north of airline ....
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I think the whole world is polluted. I think everything you eat is compromised. But this bring up an interesting topic. Do you eat fish with worms?
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Not on Friday's during Lent...
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Spoken like a good Catholic. We don't eat meat on Fridays during Lent and worms are meat!
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Not sure how to verify the statements contained in today's Letter to the Editor,Advocate,compliments of author,John Bergeron,but if his letter contains factual information not only regarding the dredging of ONLY one pass,that being SW Pass,we in for many more double and possible triple Spillway Openings!!!The other passes mentioned,South Pass,Tiger Pass,Pass a Loutre(have personal experience during duck hunt about 4-6 years ago),Main Pass,Baptiste Collette need serious dredging and I am by no means a hydrologist but common sense and fluid dynamics would tell ya that if ya only clear out one of numerous passes,what would you expect the River levels to do,certainly not FALL!!!The absolute worst part of what I originally found,via a Government Report on the health of the MS,is that if the folks way up in MN are being warned about consumption of fish from their portion of 'Paradise',what about the wonderful quality of our water in 'Sportsmans Paradise'.Just think about that for more than a few seconds,our water has to be extremely toxic and someone needs to be warning us about the safety and advisibility of consumption of seafood from the Pontchartrain Basin.I do understand there are advisories regarding consumption of certain species of fish from Bogue Falaya,Tchefuncte,Bayou Bonfouca,etc due too Mercury contamination and this same Mercury is NO DOUBT present in Lake Pontchartrain and her vast Basin!!!Maybe I need to get Terry King involved and for those who do not know who he is,just ask Dr.Peter Galvan and Former DA Walter Reed who he is,maybe ask Lee Zurik who this gentleman is!!!Not sure if he goes to this site but I work very closely with a gentleman who works in same office as Terry!!!Dat may be what we need to get the ball rolling!!!

Mandevillian

P.S. Was duck hunting about 4-6 years ago with veteran Venice duck hunter and he knew the route down Pass a Loutre and we went aground on serious sandbar,thank God we were not seriously injured and we jumped out,hard bottom(tons of built-up sediment)and we pushed his bay boat free of serious danger to navigation!!
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Also wonder if any of this is linked to the flesh-eating bacteria epidemic going on!!!!!!
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I'll pass. Too many liberals here.
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a_cajun,Not 100 % sure about everyone who has replied to my original post but can assure ya ya dead wrong about at least 3 of us,me included,and I personally know John C and The Wizard7 and guarantee dey the farthest thing from a liberal as well as me so maybe I should paint you with a broad brush,my friend.Perhaps you are a fishing guide feeling the sting,maybe you work for the Corps,maybe ya are a commercial fisherman.I almost commented on your e-mail to me regarding your assessment that to be effective Spillways need to open to the Gulf.Let me assure you I did my homework and there is no way I would suggest consumption of seafood originating from the Pontchartrain Basin,sorry if dat may have struck a nerve.Ask the Department of Health about the recently-reported fish kill in Myrtle Grove(Wifey just told me about it) and also ask THEM to consume Lake P seafood and see what they tell ya!!!CCAguns,had a fellow from St,Jane de Chantal tell me about an individual that recently passed away,presumably from cyanobacteria poisoning and this individual was NOT swimming in the Gulf but possibly inhaled toxic bacteria.a_cajun,do ya homework like I did and get back to those of us ya called Liberals!!!

Mandevillian
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A Cajun, Best not call folks names when you know nothing about them.

I’m strongly conservative, a scientist and an engineer. Do you like the government shixxing in your backyard? These are serious problems that Louisiana always pays for solely, much like the US is the only country in the world that signs treaties, covers its share of the costs and abides by them. Our politicians have continued to sell us down the river for their own benefit. Thank God for our president. He’s one of the few standing up for America.

Open your eyes, Man!!!
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CCAguns,Knew I coulda added you to the list of conservatives but wanted to let ya vent and let those mis-informed folks know hows ya feels!!!Headed to Sportsman Show tomorrow after 8:00 mass at St.Jane de Chantal and have a few 'want' items on my list.Wanna scope out fly tying stuff and once de Wizard starts letting us know about the Delacroix area,might head down with salt-water fly fishing gear.Got plenty of fresh water spots on NShore but want to avoid Lake P til the dust settles!!!We need to get together,much like I did with The Wizard7 and John C.This happens to be about the only site I post on,used to post on a few others but like this one and can't tell ya how many true sportsmen I have met via this site.Hope and prayer gonna get us through this Spillway Opening and maybe next year we may only have short Spillway Opening,if any at all.Wifey and I planning nice Ozarks trip before our crazy-busy Medicare Open Enrollment starts Oct 15-Dec 7!!Love hitting dem White River rainbows with Cajun-style lure,crawfish crankbait,and dey can't resist.We sometimes use crawfish trap and catch some big crawfish and fry the tails!!!

Mandevillian
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Just for the record I am no liberal. I am a man who likes women. I know the difference between a male end and a female end. And I know what bathroom to use too. Just saying.
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I am sure there are TON's of people with 'HIGH LEVELS' Education here....Ill sit this one out...
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