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You tube video labeled duck hunting flooded corn in missouri

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Well guys I know this has been a sore subject for us. I watched a you tube video labeled flooded corn in Missouri. It starts out with a drone flying over the corn fields while the guy is talking about ducks and hunting and such. He shows his blind and the fields completely dry. All of the sudden a pump must have got left on and omg mallards all over the place eating corn in a flooded field. Then he states when ducks are in the corn fields they are either dabbling or eating corn. He says and I quote he says not a make believe story when they are eating you can shoot them all day long. But if they have eaten too much of the corn you might shoot them out of the field. How in the hell is it legal. How after all the evidence and data that has been given that this has not changed. I know the answer is big money but as an avid waterfowler to know that you cant hunt over corn but it is perfectly legal for them to and in doing so for the last 2 decades have changed a complete waterfowl migration is unreal. Literally has changed a natural migration of an animal to the north west. Absolutely totally unreal
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No way the corn is keeping them north. Today’s agriculture practices doesn’t leave any corn on the field. After they harvest the field there’s not one piece of stalk left on the ground.

It’s the harvest moon that sends them south. Corn has nothing to do with the migration. The reason we don’t get ducks anymore has to do with surface drives, habitat loss, and climate change. It doesn’t matter that we had the coldest winter 3 years ago and didn’t have a migration.

What we duck hunters know anyway?
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Concretecracks,Sorry bud but ya totally wrong,wrong,could NOT be more wrong.Monster loophole in Migratory Bird Treaty allowing bringing water to feed and outlawing other way around,check out the law and see how wrong ya are!!!Hunting flooded cornfields MAJOR MONEY OPERATION-follow de bucks vs follow de ducks!!!Wish it were NOT the case but til dat treaty gets changed,LA better get used to plenty more MT Skies and more of de same-three consecutive sub par seasons kinda a pattern,don't ya think.Just my humble 0.02!!!

Mandevillian
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Mande is right guys.
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Sure its alot of things but I hunted Kansas and there is corn on the ground left in the fields
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yep surface drives and the abundance of them and the amount of hunters has put a major pressure on them. But anyone that has followed when the migratory treaty act was changed and the farming slash agriculture slash hey we can do what we want and hunt ducks over feed and its legal. The migration has stopped and shifted. Venice use to be a duck mecca. On the east side the land is actually building. Ponds closing in. All still full of feed everywhere you go. Ducks don't come down like they use to.
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You couldn't be wronger.

I have been up and down the flyway. They are short stopping the ducks up north. I don't know how ice heaters in ponds can be legal but they are doing it.
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No way the farmers leave corn on the ground to attract ducks!!! That’s a ridiculous claim.

Guys, my comment’s are sarcasm. I’m with you on this.

Until we stop buying hunting license, equipment, shotguns, ammo, WMA permits and so on. Nothing is going to change. We need to get together and sit out a season or two. Maybe go Deer Hunting in Mississippi instead and give them some of our money instead of Louisiana.

Money talks and the lack of it too.
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If we can't beet them , witch we will not then let try to b like them water in the feed -feed in the water.
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Keep in mind guys my main topic for this post was the guys statement. While the ducks are in the fields eating corn you can shoot them all day long. His words exactly. After he states be carefull cause once the corn is gone you can shoot them out of the field. To anyone that has atleast 2 decades of hunting ducks under their belt knows the changes. Josh Goins and his group has posted data that has been researched an submitted by professional scientist not just a bunch of guys whos limits aren't filled anymore. And their research proves that since the migratory bird treaty act was changed our numbers have been on a steady and I mean steady decline since then.
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Yep.ole Josh Goins and I had MANY long-winded conversations prior to the inception of Flyway Federation and I was perhaps the MOST skeptical fellow duck hunter out there and he used none other than Government data,mind ya,to quite easily document the precipitous yet steady decline in gadwall migrations well before folks realized how dat wonderful Migratory Bird Treaty was altered and now,three possibly plenty more,miserable sub-par duck seasons to come,get de picture,kinda a pattern dat gets replicated each and every year and it stings to have to go outta state to have successful duck seasons in what USED to be Sportsman's Paradise.Wifey and I just had incredible meeting and breakfast with GB3,thanks for everything,can't wait to escape this miserable duck season and get to place where geese and ducks seem to be congregating.Better get used to plenty more miserable and sub-par duck seasons,take up another hobby,erhaps target other reliable species like wood ducks,snipe,woodcocks,etc.Looking so forward to getting to GB3's piece of SE Arkansas paradise where he advised geese and teal being hammered on VERY REGULAR basis,guys.Still can't believe how doggone lucky I am to have met GB3 and we have lot in common!!!Come on down,geese and ducks,just get back to what USED to be ya regular migratory pattern(s).Hate to be skeptical of regular migrations but looks like it aint NEVER gonna be a fraction of what not that many years ago was somewhat routine!!!

Mandevillian
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I agree with everyone on this. I hunted duck when it was easy to kill limits an see loads of birds an I was hunting wma. I stopped when it started slowing down. I only deer hunt an fish now. But what they doing with the duck regs it’s the same with doves. You can’t put out feed and hunt but you can bushog a field of whichever seed you plant an hunt anytime. None of it makes any sense. Hope all y’all feather chasers got better seasons in near future. Good luck fellas.
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Law changed 1998 However I bought a surface drive in 2004
But there a definitely fewer mallards
I can state that there are many fewer grey ducks in Lafitte along Jon Davis peninsula between bayou Rigolets and Perot I have filmed thousands (yes THOUSANDS )of grey ducks in October
I personally think the bait in the north and overshooting in Louisiana has decreased the migration.
Remember ducks just don't just fly south. They fly to areas that they have migrated to previously and train the young birds to do the same. South Pass always held large amounts of Canvasbacks as did Wax Lake

If you kill enough birds there are none left to populate an area
Lake Salvador Management was a private Hunt club where large numbers of mallards and pintails wintered It took about 3 years for them to be wiped out when it was opened to public hunting
Klondike rice fields in the '80s held Mallards and Pintails Before they were destroyed in Katrina I had photos to prove that we shot limits of mallards and Pintails in the 70's we could shoot 10 pintails apiece and did it every weekend and Wednesday
Sometimes we would hunt 4 and carry 40 birds to the picker
Imagine doing that today
I quit duck hunting it is so bad now
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Seee this ad
I was unaware of short stopping controversy when I photographed thos summer
I just thought this was illegal and sent to a few friends
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For those who missed the verbiage on previous post
MALLARD CORN PONDS
SPRING-FED PONDS THAT DON'T FREEZE
THIS WAS FROM WASHINGTON STATE where ducks are short stopped from California, not Louisiana but look a Habitat Flats
https://www.habitatflats.com
or Mo Mallards
https://www.momallards.com

When you can rent a hole in a levee and water in a field for 1500 dollars or more you get the picture
Better is 400 dollars a day at HabitatFlats
15 x 400 =6000 dollars a days plus shells and tips
Is the picture clear now??
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Louisina used to winter 200,000 Canadian geese each year
They started feeding them in Illinois around Crab Orchard refuge in the 1930's There arre none in Southeast Loiisiana and very few in SouthwestLa.None of the big 'ringnecks' that used to go to Gueydan and the ares north of Lake Charles
Duck Hunting in Louisiana will go the way of muskrat trapping (once a major industry in Louisiana) and Buffalo Hunting (Bayou Terre Aux Bouefs was named because of the buffalo not beef cattle on it's shore
For that matter we used to shoot blue geese inLafitte and in the Bayou Biloxi managent areas
Very Sad
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There is a videogame on Oculus Go called Duck Hunt it is fairly realistic
That may be only duck hunting left in Louisiana
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Flooded ponds May hold a few ducks North but I know the millions of Acres of no-till farming hold a hell of a lot more!. I have shot Mallards in dry corn fields in Wisconsin Minnesota and Iowa I have shot widgeon in green fields in Kansas I have shot pintail and Mallards in peanut fields in Texas and I've also shot green wing teal in Milo fields in Texas. None of those were flooded! Most of the ducks that do make it south get pressured all the way to Mexico and Central America I've been there and shot them there also.Seen absolutely tens of thousands!
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Yep,Veneford,hit de nail as squarely as a nail can be hit. Follow de buck$ vs follow de ducks as I have stated. Sad,sad,indeed sad dat one just about has to resort to hunting a neighboring state in order to have half decent duck hunts. Feel blessed to have been extended invite to hunt GB3’s fine SE Arkansas duck property and unfortunately got text from him that tornadoes destroyed a huge barn where tractors and four wheelers were stored and roof of his duck camp got hit by tree branches. Like a true diehard,called GB3 and he said he was gonna travel up there to assess the damage and he plans a duck hunt tomorrow. I offered my assistance and do have flexible schedule and GB3 said this mishap should not affect our duck hunt in few weeks. Hope his damages up there not too bad and hope rest of our sorry season turns out the best it can. Kinda telling dat we are NOT getting too many duck reports. Dat tells de sad story,unfortunately 😬

Mandevillian
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Duck Hunt from Mo Mallards Oh it is 1500 dollars a day for 3 day rental not whole season
Greenheads and Canvasbacks just like we get in Louisiana
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Its all about the big money now. A friend of mine hunted Kansas on a guided hunt and has been hunting ducks his whole life. He said it was unreal. 20 people at the lodge times 300 per day. 2 day hunt made $12,000.00. Plus tips for guides and tips at lodge. He said both groups limited out in a hour or so both days. No one above the south will want the laws to change. He also told me that none of the land was leased. They just talk to the farmers and get permission maybe drop a bottle or two of crown or jack daniels. And as far as the surface drives go . The best and worst thing ever created for this sport. How can you possibly make something too good. Well they did. Its sad when the new generation duck hunter all they know that my boat with my 40 hp gt runs 36.3/4 mph but if I put the newest macaroni carburetor and shave my pistons down 3,000ths more of an inch plus take 7 bottles of water out of my boat I can run 37mph. Now I can really go run the hell out of them ducks off all the areas they were sitting and resting.
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Keep this in mind. It is perfectly legal to flood planted crops for migratory waterfowl hunting. Most people here do not understand the law (50 CFR). We can plant and flood crops or feed here also, just like those guys up north. The misunderstanding that most people have is understanding 'manipulation' of feed that is planted, and then flooded for waterfowl. Once it is grown, headed up with grain, you cannot touch it. This means that you cannot knock it down or scatter it in any way. You cannot drive your UTV or four wheeler in it or make a duck pond etc. You can only walk in the pond or send a retriever looking for downed birds. The interesting thing is that all people up north know this. It is common practice to chop or cut the corn in the area of their duck ponds or hunting areas before it tassels or makes an ear of corn. If a farmer plants a duck pond, they have to cut the corn and pick up all of the ears etc. prior to hunting. Once duck season is over up north, they drain the standing corn and then harvest the remaining crop.

I fished with my buddy from Kansas City Missouri over the holidays. He is a big duck hunter and is a member of a 35 year old 135 acre duck club that borders one of two of the largest wildlife management areas in Missouri. Their club plants corn and golden millet. They don't always have ducks. They have been keeping records for a long time and have a waterfowl biologist in the club. He said that their duck numbers have been going down over the last few years because Canada has been planting more agricultural crops like peas and lentils. My coworker from Saskatchewan commented on this also.

My friend said that the ducks have learned to dry feed and stay in Canada. He told me that Canada is SHORT STOPPING their hunting! Ha!! Think about that...

In short, my thoughts are that there are many factors that have changed migratory habits of waterfowl but food and pressure are the main two. We forget that ducks are smart animals and will take advantage of the easiest and available food sources changing their habits. Farming practices and crop changes happen because of new technologies and better chemicals etc. creating increased yields. It's just part of progress. No one can tell a farmer in Canada not to plant peas and more acres of land just like no one can tell a midwest corn farmer, crawfish farmer, rice farmer, sugarcane farmer, etc. not to increase their business so that I can have better duck hunting here in Louisiana. Looks like I might have to train my retriever to hunt squirrels and hogs!

Duckaholic..... for now.... LOL
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Yep de ducks done outsmarted us but getting imprinted will make it even worse as future generations of ducks that MIGHT have ventured tad S NO LONGER have that as an option. If Canada short-stops ducks guess we got NO CHANCE😬

Mandevillian

PS Just got few texts from GB3 hunting his SE Arkansas honey hole got him speck
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imprinted?
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Yep by imprinted mean dat ducks follow their parents on flight patterns and those are “imprinted” into brains of ducks and geese so that after few generations of “imprinting” might see dramatic migratory pattern alteration. pretty much what we have been experiencing last three miserable sub-par seasons. Better get used to plenty MT Skies and broken hearts as imprinting has NO DOUBT been occurring last few seasons. Get de pic now😬

Mandevillian
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yep got the pic now just wondering though how the fourth generation of the year of monarch butterfly's migrate over 2500 miles to hibernate in same trees as their great great grandparents?
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Maybe the monarch butterflies make it 2500 miles to the same trees because theres no agriculture I mean flood and feed I mean cut and hunt over bait practices going on. You know just like the migration of waterfowl use to til all this was altered up above. And as far as IMPRINT. My friend was at a duck banquet in Arkansas a few years ago and one of the main prizes give away was that after the hunting season is over and right before the migration heads back. If you were the winner of this great prize a plane flew over and scattered corn across any area you wished. This is after the weather, the geese and the ducks had removed most or all feed. The reason for this and it was stated at the banquet was so when the migration retuned and stopped in this particular area the birds would remember food in that area. You know IMPRINT. Kind of like when you stop along the way on a trip and you eat at a restaurant its imprinted in your memory that when you go there you will return to it. My wife and I will not go to Tennessee to visit her family without eating at The Depot. You know cause its imprinted in my mind it was so good not to go back. Also years ago on Americas funniest videos there was a family videoed a pair of mallards that for some reason stopped and stayed in their pool. They started leaving some feed on the ground for them and they had babies. Shortly after they left. The following year same family same pool videoed a serious migration with hundreds of mallards landing in their pool and was all over the yard. Why you ask fowlhooked. Because they remembered. You know imprinted in their little brain
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