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Public Comment-Proposed Changes in Speck Creel and Size Limits 2 20 2020

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Sportsmen and sportswomen,Hope to see plenty of concerned folks attending LAWLF Public Comment meeting for NShore to be held on the 20th of this month at the Slidell Municipal Auditorium,2056 2nd St,Slidell starts at 5:00 pm,lucky for me have that slot cleared in my calendar.Who knows what the future of speckled trout fishery gonna look like and why not show up to at least voice opinions,whether in favor,against,etc.Personally,it would not surprise me if we got a 14 in minimum and either 15 or 20 total and hope they do not introduce a slot as specks seem relatively delicate and hate to be forced to handle them more than needed and a slot would force folks to take the time to measure them like we have to do with much-hardier reds.Just do NOT like idea of speck slot,reduction in numbers not an issue!!

Mandevillian
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15/15 and only 5 over 20. I'm guessing 15/15 will be it or 14 and 15.
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Whatever they decide,we owe it to ourselves to at least show up,kinda hard for some folks to make a 5:00pm start,but I am self-employed/un-employed(depending upon one's perspective!)but we shall see.Not a thing wrong with keeping it 12 inches and reduction of creel limit to 15 or 20,15 specks is quite a decent haul and the bigger specks do not taste nearly as good as 12-14 inch specks!!Letting bigger sow specks go should theoretically help the fish stocks and I know de Wiz lets go lotta specks,especially big ole sows.The big speck I nabbed at the Trestles was most definitely 'fishy' tasting,probably because when they get that big,they eat lotta pogies,hence the effectiveness of much bigger Fin-S Shaker,dem Trestles Trout Tamers,no doubt!!!Even if they do NOT introduce slot,I might start taking pics of specks 20 inches and up and releasing them,like de Wiz!!!Got plenty of time coming up and will be targeting specks pronto!!!

Mandevillian
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Here's what they are doing in the western part of the state already. I might be way behind the times on this one but this is what LWLF is showing

Size Limit: 12 inches minimum total length
Bag and Possession Limit: 25 per person per day except in specified areas of Cameron and Calcasieu parishes where the limit is 15 per person per day with no more than two over 25 inches total length. These areas are:
South of Interstate 10 from its junction at the Texas-Louisiana boundary eastward to its junction with LA Highway 171, south to Highway 14, south to Holmwood, and then south on Highway 27 through Gibbstown south to LA Highway 82 at Creole and south on Highway 82 to Oak Grove, then due south to the western shore of the Mermentau River, following this shoreline south to the junction with the Gulf of Mexico, and then due south to the limit of the state territorial sea.
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mulletsquisher,Nothing would startle me and the 12 inch min length and 15 total with a slot limit of no more than 2 over 25 is not a problem with me,bet lotta guides might take exception but there is no reason to panic as if we do nothing,SE LA might not have nearly the quality and quantity she currently exhibits!!!Gotta go with de flow and be prepared to see changes dat aint gonna sit well with everyone!!!

Mandevillian
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As long as the LWLF follows the Department Biologist recommendations and keeps the politics out of the equation I'm good, when I do fish its rare I'll keep a full limit of specks, Reds are the same I'm looking for 18-19 to 22' fish. Just enough to have a fresh fish fry. Doing nothing isn't the answer like you said, Specks have been leaned on for a very long time and I personally believe the species needs some assistance from the Biologist.
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I'm all in for 12 inch minimum and only 2 over 25 inches. I don't keep specks over 20 inches as they are not as tasty as has been said and they are usually sows. Smaller specks still eat well and I'd hate to see them raise the minimum as handling DOES become an issue. Hopefully, there will be a good turnout for the meeting in Slidell. It is in everybody's best interest to be there. Trying to clear my calendar now.
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Personally, I think 14' and 15 fish.
But I think a lot of the problem is with the webbing in the water killing the bycatch,
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12' min 15 total I worry mostly about survival of the throw backs
in the bays behind grand isle the dolphins eat 70-80% of the trout that
are thrown back they come meet the boat as soon as we start catching
and wait next to it for us to drop them back raising min length will only
result more dolphin feed
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I see where the time for this particular meeting had been modified to start at 6:00 pm,hopefully more folks that work can plan to attend.Not sure whose idea it was to start these meetings at 5:00pm but so be it,this one starts at 6 pm.!!

Mandevillian
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I've experienced that as well! Glad you brought it up!
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12 & 15 are the best you can hope for and get the stock back to an acceptable threshold. 15&15 gets it back a lot faster....and is a no brainier not having to reassess a possible failure with 12 & 15
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ok lets go ahead and just get all the guides in an uproar. Changes are coming due to overfishing and other staggering numbers. this is just my personal thought on this. The way overfished speckled trout by the thousands of fishing guides who beat the hell out of the fish on a daily basis pulling hundreds of thousands of fish out of Louisiana state waters. Every day they leave pull up on a reef and while captain whoever is baiting hooks and his 3 customers put 75 trout in the boat then tell the customers keep fishing they turned on and it turns to 100 without the captain ever making a cast. Then gets on the radio with captain few fish and calls him in to finish his limits so he doesn't go back to the lodge with his butt whipped in front of the other group. And this goes on for days, weeks months all year. All while raping the states resources. There are multiple operations with 5, 7, 9, and a few with 12 to 15 guides that charge a rate of $450 per person times 15 to 20 people or more which makes for a hell of a payday. These guys network and wipe out schools and populations all for a picture and return business. Again wiping out on a daily basis the Louisiana states resources. They fish sometimes weather permitting 30, 40 days straight and continue putting a uncountable amount of fish in the boat. I talked to a friend that has a camp in south Plaquemines parish next to a guide operation. He said he asked the owner for a estimate of trout brought to his table. Guy replied we have 4 to 5 guides and we put 30 to 40,000 trout a year on our cleaning table. Now start hitting the calculator on a daily basis. The average guy that might get to go fishing 1 to maybe 2 times a month for the most part does not fill the boat up. So after all these years of networking with each other, raping the states waters for the customers and their pictures. Abusing the Louisiana states resources. For several decades now. Now your reward will be your jobs just got easier with way less fish to catch and clean. Awesome job. I also talked to a few guides and they said that they have asked for the ldwf to make it to where they cannot have their limit on charter trips and it never happened. Guess we will have to see what the great state does next. Has there ever been talk about reducing the limits if you are on a charter trip since there are 10,000 charter guides now. Just throwing a number out there. Not sure on that amount. I also discussed my post almost word for word with a big guide in the area he stated yeah you are absolutely right. We did it to ourselves. No names stated though
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Got to put my opinion in : 12 inches and 15 total with 1 trout over 24 inches and definitely a reduced amount of fishing guides !!!! 🧙‍♂️🎣
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Early in the discussion I wrote a letter to LDWF. To my surprise I received a thoughtful and personal response back. I brought up the issues of guide limits in my letter. The responder stated that by removing guide limits you will reduce the total take by 2%. I don’t know if that is significant or not.
LDWF published a chart showing the effect of various combinations of reductions (size & limit) on replenishing the trout population. It was in an article in this magazine. It appeared from the chart that a size of 13 inches and a limit of 20 trout would bring the stock back into targeted range in 5 years. I would encourage you to seek out the chart. That way you will know their basis for making any final recommendation.
I also suggested in my letter that LDWF consider the unintended consequences of lowering the trout limit. My thoughts were that in so doing you will put pressure on both the redfish population and the sheephead population. Guides will want to load up their customers one way or the other. The point being - don’t look at trout in isolation. If it is going to hurt other species than put in additional controls to make sure those populations stay stable as well. At some point we are going to be saying -what happened to all the sheephead, what happened to the red population? Seems like we ought to get in front of it and conserve the unbelievable fishery that is south LA.
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Willieb507,Great points,indeed and if the redfish and sheepshead stocks get whacked due to reduction in creel and size limits on specks,what have we truly accomplished.I did see the graphs in Sportsman and lotta work went into those graphs.What I hope is that plenty of folks,both from the guide as well as recreational communities,attend and voice opinions.We shall see and I know lotta folks already on high alert,my take is see what suggestions LAWLF comes up with and hope they use sound scientific reasoning behind whatever decisions are made.Personally,many,many years ago I had my personal slot fishing the Causeway and would release specks out there if under 14 inches and I was routinely nabbing plenty of 18-22 inch specks,very fat fish and those are not the best-tasting.My personal preference,as far as eating,is specks from 12-`14 inches.What probably renders the meat of bigger specks to be 'fishy' is that those bigger fish most likely eat much bigger prey,like extremely oily pogies,and smaller 12-14 inch specks more than likely eat plenty shrimp and much smaller prey that may not be nearly as oily.Just my 0.02!Hope lotta folks dat post here show up-know CCAguns for one,intends to participate and glad to see the meeting start time is 6:00 pm.

Mandevillian
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MY INPUT: LENGTH: Minimum---13.0' and Maximum---18.0 ONLY ONE (1) OVER 18.0'

CREEL LIMIT: 20---we will never see this number RETURNED BACK TO 25 NO matter what!

MY BIGGEST PERSONAL GRIPE WITH IGNORANT FISHERS: WHY GRAB ANY TROUT/REDFISH WITH A TOWEL, RAG, ETC other than plastic gloves, BOGA GRIP, etc...DOING MORE HARM---ESPECIALLY IF THAT FISH IS UNDERSIZED AND HAS TO BE RETURNED!

MY OPINION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Bcause of what u just said ,I would say 12-15 if day say no then 12-10 at lease we will come home with fish.
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Looks like guide bashing season is in full swing. For one there not 10,000 guides fishing trout in Louisiana. If you took all the fish that every guide in the state brings to the dock for a week it is still less than what one gill net used do in a single night.

We had a hard freeze three years ago and you may not have seen as many dead trout as in '89, but just as many died. Add on extremely high rivers and fresh water conditions, and trout simply can not spawn. Those that do end up with their eggs carried into waters too fresh of water for the eggs to survive.

Trout have been dealt a bad hand by mother nature for several straight years now, let along the man made disaster called Mardi Grass Pass. The prime breeding grounds east of the river are no longer. Go ahead and monitor salinity levels and you will see that most of the east side of the river is hardly salty enough for trout to survive, let alone spawn unless going way way out into the gulf.

For the last two summers I have not seen any small trout in the marsh. Though this is not where you would normally fish for trout that time of year, but typically we used to catch a lot of small trout in the marsh while fishing for redfish. Know where they went? Way outside where they are nothing but snacks for everything else that swims out there, including bigger trout. Rigs that we normal catch our biggest trout at are now full of 6'-10'. Those little guys are supposed to be in the marsh, not open water.

And to those complaining about the amount of guide boats, there literally at least 100 private boats running around all over the place for every charter boat, even on weekdays now. Even if they don't catch a lot, all those boats beating everything up makes fishing tough for everyone.

There probably is a good reason for a temporary limit change, but no amount of catch reduction will make a difference if conditions do not improve. Given half a chance, with good spawning conditions the trout will bounce back and bounce back big time. Yea, go ahead and build some more of those fish killing 'sediment' diversions. Sediment my ass, there is no difference it is only a fresh water disaster.

Bash way.
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Capt Rory,I have some very good friends that are guides,I for one am NOT bashing ANY guides just simply stating the case that certainly the LAWLF is stating and that is quite simple-do nothing and NO ONE gonna like what dat results would look like.If reduction in limits leads to other species getting whacked,how good is dat and I hope and pray that the redfish limits stays like it currently is and we right now already have areas that have limited speck catches to less than 25.Wait and see and if there is a meeting that you can attend,then ATTEND!!Simple as dat and voice ya opinion,whether in favor,opposing,whatever.Lotta folks attended Public Comment on proposed changes in duck and small game and big game seasons and our LAWLF has plenty of Biologists working for them-hope and pray that sound scientific reasoning prevails but bet ya bottom dollar we bout to see big reduction from 25 specks per person to possibly 15 with slot limit thrown in.I for one recall the days when we had ZERO flounder restrictions and lotta folks whined when we could ONLY bring home 10 per person with NO size restriction.Perhaps the reason folks started catching not only plenty flounders but good-sized was the implementation of creel limit.What ya may or may NOT know is that flounders spawn in freshwater and how I found out was thanks to a LAWLF Biologist who was conducting creel surveys at the Williams Blvd boat launch.I was tossing Culprit worms in the intersection of the Lake and Duncan Canal(Parish Line Canal)and nabbed what I thought to be lunker bass,til it hugged de bottom(3+ lb flounder).I had some bass,reds and solo flounder and this biologist did a creel survey and I told him where I nabbed de doormat and he told me they spawn in March or so and in freshwater,kinda explains me catching big ole flounders in Cane Bayou and way N in Bayou Lacombe.Don't blast LAWLF just yet,let em have their say and don't worry bout me blasting guides-lotta others do more than my fair share!!!

Mandevillian
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Mandevillian, you sure were not, but some in this thread some do blame it all on guides. I do pan on attending the Metairie meeting. Sadly a limit change to 15 looks like it is coming and I am OK with that. I am not in favor of a slot or increase in minimum size. I have seen way to many people handle under sized fish, and most die. This is why I unhook every fish that enters my boat. A lot of folks have no idea the damage they do simply by handling and even more have no idea how to properly remove a hook. Not to mention Flipper gobbling them up when released, regardless of size.
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Yep,Capt Rory,I do NOT like having to handle a delicate species like specks more than necessary and the introduction of a slot will certainly increase having to handle specks more than what we are currently forced to do.I do not fish the Big Lake area but believe that is one of the areas currently under a 15 fish limit and I could also live with a 15 fish limit.I also remember the days when we did not have the same restrictions on black drum as we now have and what is so strange is that I grew up in Kenner,fishing the PowerLine Pilings,using salted shrimp(they were like leather on dem hooks)and we coulda made a living fishing for black drum and can't tell ya the last time I landed a black drum anywhere near those PowerLine Pilings.Those Pilings were harboring fine reds,anywhere from about 18 inches to close to 26 inches and Summertime was best time to target those Pilings.Funniest story bout dem Pilings was quite a few years ago,fishing the Pilings outta small yak and couple folks asked how I did and their jaws dropped to their knees when I opened dry-storage bag with 5 fine reds,from 18-27 inches,all caught with-in paddle distance of Williams Blvd Launch.We shall see what de LAWLF gonna do!!!

Mandevillian
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Capt Rory
No Guide Bashing and I follow your post cause I like running the Sound and when your on the fish the pathfinder and I are headed that way, All you have listed Freeze, Extremely High River, Habitat Loss have all impacted the hatchery and the river as much as I hope it doesn't reach historic levels looks like it will again, we do need a break from Mother Nature, last year trout successes came from deep in the sound not inshore and there were juvenile Trout mixes in, and I'm hoping we just see a creel reduction with an upper size slot limit
Trivia Notes
319,492 Boats registered in all of Louisiana for 2018 ( LDWF) I would guess 1/4 of these boats occasionally coastal fish ( This is probably on the high side)
104 Charter Captains Registered with Louisiana Charter Boat Association, not sure where else they register
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mulletsquisher, you were not one of them I have seen in this thread, but those that have know who they are. Not all guides are members of the LCBA, though I am. LDWF would have those numbers. Even with those numbers there are plenty of people that get licensed and do not really run charters. They do it to write off their bad habits, LOL. Yes, last summer you had to run very deep and it was a crap shoot. You would be a hero or a zero. There were many a day we ran 45+ miles out, then had to bail out and run back into the marsh to fish reds to save the day. Typically I might run 60-90 miles round trip and last year I had many 120-135 mile days
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Instead of just “saying” guides catch all the fish and are ruining our resource and they are to blame for the drops here is some data from WLF. Recreational fishermen account for 84% while guides account for 16%.
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What I am trying to figure out is years ago when the 12' - 25 fish limit was established marine biologist stated the vast majority of speckled trout died by natural causes verses being harvested. Recreational and guide fishing were not a consequence to fish numbers. Speckled trout grow one inch per month during their growing time period. How can what once was supposedly good science have changed over a relatively short period of time that such drastic measures of 15' fish size is needed? If the amount of fish harvested is negligible to the resource then why the change the 25 fish limit? Something is not adding up? I hope no changes are made to the current size and limits of speckled trout.
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Here's the link to the public comment form

http://www.wlf.louisiana.gov/spotted-seatrout
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mulletsquisher,Thanks,I just rechecked their info and yes,Capt Rory is spot-on(no pun intended)with respect to the % take from Recreational vs Charter,84% vs 16%.If their data is accurate,obviously a 30% reduction in take yields a much quicker recovery in biomass(total weight of species,I would suspect).No problem from me regarding a possible reduction of creel to 15 specks,just not that excited about slot limit,though I understand the rationale for releasing bigger specks,possibly sows loaded with eggs!

Mandevillian
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Capt. Cory : I’m not against all fishing guides , have a few guides that are very good friends of mine , it’s the ones who don’t have any respect : will run close enough to throw a wake on me while I’m fishing, had several times had a guide drop anchor right on top of me so his clients could catch some fish, I’ve been cussed out because I've released fish in front of his charter while they weren’t catching much , some guides think that just because they have a fancy boat that makes them special and entitled, I believe that you are one of the better guides in your profession. 🧙‍♂️🎣
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So Captain Rory - first I noticed you are the only guide responding to all of the comments. Thank you for giving a different perspective. We need to hear all sides. I mentioned in my previous post that guide limits amount to 2% of all the trout taken. I don’t think that is a significant number and will not change the situation. I also believe you are correct in stating that the change in the environment is a bigger culprit in the reduction in trout stocks than anything guides do. But I can’t help but call you out on one thing - Right now your posts state - it is time to make a meat haul. If you want to catch big fish and plenty of them book your trip now.
While I understand you are trying to obtain charters I just think that is wrong and short sighted. I know you are playing by the rules and do a better job than most but like everyone who is writing here we all love our fishery and want to preserve it. Meat hauls just don’t sound like that is the right way to do that.
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When reds were over fish they but a 5 a day limit on then, there we r years down the line still 5 y did they not make a come back? Will the trout end up the same way? I fish a lot and I think we should just lower the limit not the size, if they up the size to 15 a lot of release fish will not live not every one will handle them right, even we the ones that know how some time they r hook to bad .
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Thewizard7, Thank you for the kind words. Yep, it is shame a-holes are in every profession. A guide should know better. Treat others as you would like to be treated goes a long way. As for anyone knocking you about releasing fish, shame on them. Anyone with half a brain and paying attention can see you know what you are doing and how to handle a fish. Sadly I have dealt with some of those a-hole guides way too often.
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Willieb507, you did not come off as the guide basher, he and everyone else knows who he is. Sorry if it came off as an attack on those that have put honest and valued opinions up. The guide bashing thing is something I have fun with every year. Seems like when fishing gets tough this time of year some like to blame guides for the reason they can't catch trout.

As for my posting about meat hauls, I am talking about reds and heads. This is a term some of my clients call it. Typically the reds we are catching are over 27' so not to many are kept. Personally I love sheepshead and enjoy putting people on them. I have many clients that only charter this time of year to load up on them while they are abundant and easy to catch. A lot of people don't know how much fun they are to catch and how great they are to eat. I would not worry about them getting over fished as they are prolific breeders, and most people do not want to deal with them and even more guides are too lazy to clean them.
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Mandevillian, I believe you meant to give credit to Capt. Travis Miller as he was the one that provided the LWDF info on charter vs recreational landings. I will add this chart provided by Chris Berzas backing up Capt. Miller's info.
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Capt Rory,mulletsquisher is the latest one to provide the link where all that info was presented and did not mean to omit anyone just knew that de mulletsquisher was the most recent post. As far as sheepshead concerned,ya right not lotta folks appreciate how great they are and many years ago Capt Kenny Kreeger gave us awesome and ridiculously easy microwave recipe for them. Easy as pie put whatever seasonings ya like on each side slap real butter on both sides and stick in microwave for about one minute per side,kinda depends upon the thickness and enjoy some incredible eats. Yep a pain to clean and someone gave excellent idea on using linoleum knife to clean em and dat works incredibly well.

Mandevillian
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I love the Microwave method. Easy, quick, and only one plate to clean. We do it ll the time. Experimenting at the very moment with an air fryer. So far not impressed. Takes too long for so little fish done at a time. I do love the thing for other stuff. I could have fried a ton in the time I have spent of two redfish fillets.
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speckle_searcher, sadly once lowered it will never come up no matter how much things improve. Not even counting man made disasters (Mardi Grass Pass and refusal to open Morganza) if mother nature dose not give us a break it ain't never going to come back.
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Yep Capt Travis posted first all I did was post the link and made me curious to go look on LDWF site, filled the on line comment form out and got a return e-mail from LDWF saying the comments would be added. Never tried the microwave on the fish would like the see some how to on this sounds good, Mardi Grass Pass is a major issue and I believe Plaquemines Parish doesn't have the funds to fix the issue so as sad as it is there won't be any changes in the near future unless the state or feds jump in, I believe the Corp of Engineers has walked away from it due to funding if I'm not mistaken. On increased limits returning, nope I don't see it either. Only thing I'll ask is share the link and fill out the on line comment form if ya can't attend the meetings.
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At the very least,voicing an opinion via the comment form should alert the LAWLF that folks are not happy with the outcome decided by LAWLF.Kinda like voting-get out and vote whether absentee or in person and if ya can't make meetings,send in opinion(s)

Mandevillian
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DuckBuster, as a limited weekend warrior you took the words right out of my mouth.

Well summarized.
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Not sure to what extent the freshwater we seem to constantly have to battle is hurting mortality of specks but how can it NOT hurt spawning and subsequent hatching of speck eggs!!Right now at my Ponchatoula Wal Mart Medicare kiosk and have chatted with a few of our Medicare Clients and can tell ya,de Tangi Rivers a muddy and raging mess and any diversion of water into wetlands around here could NOT hurt the situation,might improve the situation,just do not know enough about hydrology to make an educated guess on how much good would be accomplished via opening of some of these diversions.What would be nice is if we could somehow get the states that border the Mighty Muddy to chip in their FAIR share of cost of dredging the clogged-up passes,certainly would seem to make too much sense for it to EVER happen,just a thought!!!

Mandevillian
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Love the chart! Guess I wouldn't get a guide in the Vermillion-Teche area - they don't catch shXX!

Just teasing! I've seen the a-holes Capt Rory speaks of in action. They give the respectful guides a bad name. I've run across guides I've had some excellent conversations with, many of whom pointed me toward fish (Capt Jack at Sweetwater is one of these). We have rude recreational fishermen also.

I'd personally like to see a 15 fish limit on specs with a minimum of 12 inch size, but allow you to take five reds additionally. The reds do not appear to be hurting. If you enjoy 12 inch to 15 inch fish for eating, you must understand that the average person can eat two of these pretty easy at a meal. 3-4 meals of trout from one fishing trip should be acceptable. I hate freezing them anyway - they taste much better fresh.

Increasing the size limit will only kill more of the smaller fish! I sure feel our bigger problem is all the fresh water!
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Charles K, so agree with misinformed hate. Bash way.
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mulletsquisher, Place fillets on plate. Season with seasoning of choice. I like most blackening mixes as they have a lot of flavor and not too much salt. Plop Small blobs of butter on fish and cover with Saran Wrap or similar and nuke for 5-7 minutes. Eat, enjoy, and put he one dirty dish in dishwasher. Easy peazy.
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Man oh man, we are going all over the place with this thread. Back to guide bashing. LOL!
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Wish I had as much free time on my hands like TheWizard7 has and he and I joke about the inconsiderate guides out there and it appears dat Capt Rory and others do not fit into de category the Wiz refers to.I had a ridiculous encounter in Delacroix with probably not a professional guide but no doubt a gent fishing a money redfish tourney-me and a buddy from the Abita KC's had found a good spot off Twin Pipeline and this boat,'Miller High Life' emblazoned across both sides,decided he NEEDED to about punch a hole in my SouthFork with his anchor and he actually cost me a chance to land a fine redfish(no doubt he saw rod bent about double)and HOPE he won some money for all his inconsiderate activity!!!This is NOT the time for guide bashing,I respect guides as long as they respect the recreational guys and I owe a tremendous debt of gratitude to two specific guides that I used to fish with PLENTY when I was employed as a Pharma Rep,Brad Schmit and Nash RobertsIV.They taught me how to finesse fish and we only used live bait in certain months and even then ole Brad would ALWAYS have Killer-Diller,DOA,or some other shrimp imitation awaiting my use and can't tell ya how many big ole specks fell victim to soft plastics!!!Those bashing guides need to take a look at not only Capt Travis's graphs but click on link mulletsquisher put out there-tells a tale of Recreationals taking way more specks than Charters!!!Put blame where it belongs-plenty of recreationals that are inconsiderate and I HATE fishing week ends for plenty of reasons.Just ask de Wiz bout some his fun encounters-he fishes way more than most and he has told me some stories dat would make ya blood curdle !!!

Mandevillian
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Enough said every body go too one of them meetings, bitch about what is not happening with our so called State Gov and get back to me , this thread is just getting to old now !!
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Mandevillian, yep talk about discourteous a-holes, redfish tour tower boats are the absolute worst. Won\'t slow down for anyone and will plop down on top of you in a heart beat. There again, not all, but plenty enough to give the group a bad rep. I get it, your are trying to win the prize, but most people are out there to just have a good time on the water. Why else would someone go through the BS of boat ownership or fork out $$$$ for a charter. To most it\'s about being on the water and spending time with family and friends.

Please no one get butt hurt over my guide bashing jabs, all in good fun, and some bashes are well deserved. I have thick skin and love to dish it out too. After all it's what real men do. Leave the tears for the snowflakes. I look forward to hearing what folks have to say at the Metairie meeting and look forward to meeting some of you.
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CCA did me and the other CCA members a huge favor and included the entire presentation that no doubt was given tonight in Metairie.John C was kind enough to send along snapshots of the slides and I will bring up the 'elephant in the room',yep,the Canadian and S African menhaden(pogie)boats raping our coast and killing untold tons of reds,specks,croakers,flounders,etc.All one has to do to get just a glimpse of what John C was gracious enough to send is simply type this into your browser,'sportfishingmag.com Louisiana menhaden' and ya aint gonna like what comes up,hope and pray dat LAWLF has a reasonable answer to what I plan to ask em tomorrow night in Slidell(should NOT have shown my hand)but we should DEMAND answers,not political rhetoric.Trust me to be the 'Evinrude in de cesspool!'

Mandevillian
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Hope all on this thread actually go to one of the meetings, voice their opinions instead of staying behind a keyboard and waiting for input from others!!!

Tonight, LWFD meeting at the Jefferson Parish Library had over 200 attendees...!
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John C,Thanks for sending me the slides as they were being presented-did not take a count but I suspect we had perhaps 50-75 max on NShore and CCAguns and I sat in same row(met his lovely wife)and we joked about the voting on certain 'hotbed' issues and we could certainly ascertain that there were plenty guides in attendance,based upon voting for certain issues in certain ways(don't blame dem as serious economic issues involved).Freshwater intrusion via Mardi Gras Pass got lotta airtime and unless I missed it,I never saw a proposal showing 12 in length and 15 total specks but did see a few,including one showing increase in min length to 14 inch and 25 total.Guess we shall see after all meetings take place and it was ultra-cool having 'clickers' to vote on the questions posed to audience.John C,never did hear back from ya regarding the participation in Metairie from the Guide Community.Hope the menhaden industry situation gets addressed as it has PLENTY of negative impact on not only specks but lotta other species as well!!

Mandevillian
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Am attending the meeting in Lake Charles tomorrow night 2/26. In my opinion at some point, Calcasieu will be seeing a 10 fish limit with a 14 inch minimum. According to LDWF, we are too liberal at 15 fish, 12' minimum.
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From what I took away from the NShore meeting,it really seemed like raising the length to 14inches would allow us to still keep 25 specks.Personally,I could live with the current limits imposed in the Calcasieu area and that way,we would have consistency across our coast.I do not see the logic in increasing the length to 14 inches as lotta folks report having to already sift through bunch of specks to get 12 in min and by my thinking,we would NOW have to possibly sift through lot more,exposing even more to mortality.Not exactly sure about the 10% mortality discard they quoted,guess that MAY be accurate but it seems like in the coastal areas where ole Flipper presides,lotta discards get eaten almost as soon as they get released!Who knows where it will end up but freshwater intrusion and the menhaden industry devastation NEEDS to be addressed,all bets are off UNTIL those major issues get taken care of and STILL waiting a response to not only my e-mail but CCAguns likewise asked about the menhaden industry issue!!!

Mandevillian
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I my self would love to see a it at 12'' as I like trout at my table not looking for trophy fish all doe it's is nice to catch the big ones. But 12'' to 20 '' is ok with me that way we will bring fish home .
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my gut is telling me when changes are made it will be: Calcasieu going to 10 fish, 12' minimum and east will be 20 fish , 12' minimum.

Then again maybe no changes will be made at all. In the meantime, I will be fishing cause there are trout to be caught in my area and only getting better with warmer weather forecasted.

take care boys
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I have to say that I am pleasantly surprised. There was a time not so long ago when at the mention of any changes and reduction in limits on any fish, this board would be completely lit up with people opposed to it. Yet reading this thread most people understand the need for some change, not everyone agrees on what the change needs to be, but the fact that folks get that something needs to be done is a good common ground starting point. Here\'s a link to projections of female trout savings with different management strategies. https://www.wlf.louisiana.gov/assets/Fishing/Recreational_Fishing/Files/spotted_seatrout_projections_1119.pdf Personally I think giong to a 14inch minimum with a 15 fish limit would quickly put the trout on the road to recovery, and are reasonable limits that most folks could live with.
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With size increase there will be an increase if throwback mortality just because you have to handle more fish at certain times of the year. I say reduce the size limit to 11 inches reduce the creel limit which reduces mortality rate and move on. We all know that certain times of year those pesky trout range from 11 1/2 to 11 15/16 inches. Thanks for listening. Dilly Dilly!
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