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Fresh Water Intrusion _ If you thought catching trout has changed - Just Wait!

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If you thought catching trout has changed - Just wait and see what the Mid Breton sound diversion will do.

Since Mardi Gras pass opened in 2012 and has continued to enlarge, we have seen substantial reductions in Speckled Trout, oysters and shrimp. LWF says trout are overfished. I believe they are under reproduced due to salinity factors....

See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAMmN7iLJ78

Note: Sometime in the 1st or 2nd quarter, a Public hearing for input on the Mid Breton Sound Diversion Environmental Impact Study(EIS) will be held. It's important for you to get your voice heard. Be on the lookout for the announcement.

Dredge don't divert - CLOSE Mardi Gras Pass. - Save the wetlands AND OUR SALTWATER SPECIES AND JOBS!!!!!!!.….

FYI!
Coastal Mississippi governments have passed resolutions in opposition to the Mid Breton Sound Diversion.
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Our trout are overfished and limit and size should have been adjusted when Mississippi made the change. With that being said the bigger issue is habitat or loss of. I’ve been fishing speckled trout in Lake Ponchatrain and Bayou Bienvenue area for 40 years. Almost the entire lake Pontchartrain basin is not even habitable for speckled trout most of year. Parts of Bayou b and the ship channel have trout in the winter and trestle gets a little taste of trout here and there but that’s it. It’s just getting worse all the time.
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I agree!
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Teddy/BigJim - With all due respect, let's not forget that it is dredging that brought us to this predicament in the first place. It is/was called the MRGO. The biggest shipping boondoggle of our lifetimes. Find a time-lapse of the East side from 1960 to the present and witness 40 years of devastation to the ecosystem.

As for the West side, do the same for the Barataria ecosystem. From Buras to Myrtle Grove it is virtually gone.

Yes, both recreational and commercial fisherman (crabs, oysters, shrimp) will have to readjust but in the end we'll do just that and we all will be better off for it.
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It is amazing that years ago the biologists insisted that the trout population could not be over fished with rod and reel fishing. Now they say it is over fished. It is not over fished, it has been dealt a horrible hand by mother nature. They say there is a lack of 3 year old females. Know why? Three years ago we had a hard freeze that killed a lot more trout than anyone knew. This added to the past 10 years of high Mississippi river levels added to Mardi Grass Pass have decimated the trout spawning and nursery grounds. There is just about no suitable habitat on the east side of the river for the eggs to hatch and the fry to develop. This requires a brackish water marsh, and there virtually has been none for the past 5 years. Given half a chance with proper conditions the population will bounce back with abundance. Nature always fill a void, but without suitable conditions it can't happen.
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Great replies from everyone. I believe we're all on the same page!!!

Dredging the River and putting the sediment where it needs to go (90% sediment -10% polluted water) would serve two purposes. 1) Deepen the river and allow more water to flow during high river stages 2) Help rebuild the wetlands without substantially changing the salinity. Win-win for all!

NOTE: Mississippi has proven that dredging WORKS! Jared Harris, Coastal Preserves Bureau – Restoration Program Manager, can provide concrete examples. (228-523-4053 - jared.harris@dmr.ms.gov)
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I recall a post John C made regarding the issues we face and one solution that he proposed made way too much sense-get all the states that have any involvement with either the MS River or the rivers that eventually dump into the MS and charge them a fee proportional to their dump into the River and use those funds to dredge baby,dredge!!!Why should LA have to foot the bill for the other states that contribute to the flooding!!!

Mandevillian

P.S. How bout the devastation that BP caused-Grand Isle lost an incredible amount of fish-how long ya think dat takes to recover,if ever!!!
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When life gives you Lemonade make Lemons.... (I know it's backwards but everything else is backwards). Here is what I am doing tomorrow. Years passed I would be leaving the camp going to fish for speckled trout and redfish and we used to do very well on the trout, ain't there no more. So like Superbowl Sunday I have gold spoons and spinner baits for redfish and bass. Bass instead of trout is the way it is and will be for quite some time into the future. Not what I want but still isn't bad.
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Amen Mandevillian, I always said he who controls the river controls the live blood of this nation, and we own it. Without the mouth you have nothing. If we had a governor with he testicular fortitude to enforce this we could get this problem licked. If your shower drain gets clogged with hair the water can do nothing but get backed up and overflow. Dredge the damn thing now and don't waste the spoil.
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Delta Duckman, sad but true.
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Teddyii, dredging has been proven to work and build land all over the world, but the brother in laws of the pieces of crap involved can't get a kick back out of it.
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Mandevillian, BP did hurt them, but they had a great year this past summer because it is one of the few areas trout can still survive. It will probably be the hot spot this year too.
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Let the river flow how it was supposed to. More land will be built this way.....by mother nature. Read Rising Tide and learn how the levee system should not have been the lone way to use the river.
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What is it gonna take, have a meeting on the Capital foot steps demanding that the Gov. grow a set and order a emergency degree to have the river dredged!!!🧙‍♂️🎣
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Guy's, I believe the river is constantly being dredged. Just ride from Venice to Southwest Pass and take a look. It never stops from what I see. The Corps control the dredging not the Governor.
If you want a few scapegoats look at climate change and the continuing reclamation of the entire Mississippi River watershed. Farmers want more land, floodplains make great farmland, levee them off and let me grow corn, soybeans and cotton. So... more rainfall due to climate change, less floodplain acreage to absorb and spread out rising waters and the result is a 16 foot river level every year in New Orleans.
It's a very complex issue. We can curse Mardi Gras Pass but that's how South Louisiana was built.
By the way - We're (the Corps) now going to dredge the river to 50 feet vs. 45 (just announced). Bigger ships will come upriver than ever before.
The one constant we will have to embrace - The volume of fresh water we have to manage will continue to escalate. We can gripe or we can adjust.
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I am with you Misfortune nock more holes in the levees and let the river do what it does best. If you do not sacrifice now there will be more marsh left to save. From what I see when I go fishing on the west side of the river the land is disappearing faster then they can build it and just take one good storm and all that will be gone as well.
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While the Corps continues to dredge the river, the dredge material is put back in the river only to flown off the continental shelf. Why not put the dredge material where it can be best used?

$$$$$$ Since Louisiana has the best politicians money can buy, I would think the creative guys could make that happen......
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Teddy,
Take a ride down down to the Dennis Pass/Cadro Pass area and see where that dredge material from the Head of Passes dredge is going. I know you're upset but there is a lot of very good work going on. A combination of diversions and dredge fill utilization. Is it enough? No, but it's a hell of a lot more than under our previous governor and his administration.
Hopefully soon we can look forward to a diversion into the Maurepas Swamp complex that was announced this week by our current Governor and others.

It's not a perfect world but let's give credit where credit is due. We're battling problems that we created and mother nature is not on our side.
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This governor could and should do more. Why should Louisiana be the toilet for the whole Mississippi valley?

It's not just the fresh water coming down river, it's the associated toxins and agriculture chemical runoff!

Further, idiotic federal mandates keep us from utilizing much bigger dredges that are available today, just not under US licensing. The Corps is fighting a losing battle with the available dredges and we've known this since I worked there in 1973. They don't move sufficient material for us to keep up.

More diversion is needed well upstream of us. The volume passing our northern boundary needs to be reduced. Settlement from diversion projects can't happen if water velocities are high.

When the Mississippi River is a slow moving mass, everyone prospers. When the water is raging, everyone suffers. Saltwater gamefish, shrimp and crabs are washed away. This cannot be cured simply by limiting the take of fishermen. I don't mind doing my part and reducing trout limits, but the problem is not resolved by just doing that. That is NOT the only 'knob we have to turn'!!!!!
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I 100% agree! I fished east point a la ha he for the last 40 years and fresh water in combination with unusually high river levels is what caused the speckled trout demise. You can’t catch brown shrimp or white shrimp in east point a la hacche nor can you find a Pogie, cocahoe or glass minnow. I believe nature goes in cycles and hopefully the five will one day subside to high in the spring and lower in te fall and summer so that we can get back to speckled trout spawning etc.

I now fish Shell Beach and it’s a learning curve after being in point a la hache for 40 years. If they approve the Breton diversion, I’ll have to become a perch fisher.
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You can’t get a bay boat in south pass? Have you been down river lately?
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Capt Rory,CCAguns and I chatted today about the devastation BP caused and even more devastation was caused by the surfactant(cleansing agent)used to disperse the oil and bet ya bottom dollar Grand Isle still no where NEAR where she should be.He and I are both scientists by training and understand the toxic nature of what was used to disperse the oil and it may have been even more toxic than the oil itself,unfortunately.He send in a comment to the LAWLF and I plan to attend this Th's Public Comment meeting(after what I hope is a very successful fishing trip).We used to go to Grand Isle every summer and enjoy finesse fishing for specks and would routinely catch upwards of 20-30 fine and fat specks each trip without too much difficulty and last few years,even talking to guides down there,no where NEAR what they should be and common denominator was the devastation caused by BP,not a doubt in my mind!!!Habitat devastation caused lotta loss of specks,freezes no doubt did bunch in and surfactants sprayed to disperse oil killed EVERYTHING in its path,trust me!!

Mandevillian
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