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Tide Magazine 2020

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Did some networking for CCA NShore Chapter and came home and had Tide Magazine in mailbox.Think Texas right on track with their potential restrictions on flounder and wanted to alert those folks who may not get Tide magazine.Did see somewhere that LA considering similar restrictions and one has to wonder why the flounder populations getting decimated-wonder if ole menhaden industry got anything to do with devastation of flounder populations.Food for thought and hope enough concerned sportsmen and sportswomen get involved.

Mandevillian
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I really don't think any restrictions on creel limits will help East of the river, no one is catching any at any rate! I doubt menhaden fishing is the culprit either. Flounders aren't scooped up in purse seines. If you want a conspiracy try the deep water double rigger shrimp fleet.
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Sorry to respectfully disagree with ya Lanco but have ZERO doubt menhaden boats destroy plenty of flounders.

Mandevillian
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Have you ever been on a menhaden boat?
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Never have been but definitely trust what CCAguns said he personally witnessed and the article I referred to showed Guide looking at utter devastation in wake of pogie boats.

Mandevillian
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First from the cca it’s was banned commercial gill nets and that would the overly fished redfish, speckled trout, etc... now we have to cut out pogie fishing because they are destroying it now Cca is just out there to destroy the commercial fisherman. What’s going to be next. There trying to shut down the trawlers offshore cause they are killing all the red snapper.
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Pogie boats have been out there for decades. They Definitely have a lot of bull red bycatch and sharks, jacks, some trout ect. But its a purse seine fishery which means bottom fish aren't likely to be in that net. the deep water trawlers do catch some flounders during their spawning runs to the gulf. The luggers have also been out there for a half century at least and its well known that the bycatch they have is tons of juvenile fish from snappers to tarpon to trout. Not sure how any of this is relevant to flounder populations since these fisheries are far from new??? But if i were looking to blame a net for flouder problems a net on the bottom makes a lot more sense than one on top.
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I'm not a biologist but up until 15 years ago I did do a good bit of trawling. Inside waters not out. I was always amazed by the number of juvenile flounders that ended up in the picking box when I dumped the tail.

I'm not qualified to offer more than an opinion but I don't see purse seines as being detrimental to flounders. Other species quite likely but bottom dwellers no.

However, let's not lose sight of the BP debacle from blowout to 'clean-up'. There is a lot we don't understand and the longterm effects will likely have negative impacts that give cause to worry. BTW - our 'pro-business' US Senators and Representatives are currently rolling back deepwater drilling safety rules that were put in place after the BP incident. That's a fact.
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Debate all yall want go look it up and decide if ya think a gill net operation won't scare up bottom-dwellers like flounders and with the destruction of reds,specks,croakers,black drum how much more devastation can our fishery withstand without collapsing.The author reports that operation is a legalized gill net catching EVERYTHING,last time I looked up everything,think all-inclusive might be a better description.Basically,until those operations are sent elsewhere(Cheaspeake Bay would be great example of removing them)we are NOT gonna achieve what the LAWLF intends to accomplish by reduction of creel limits/slot introduction,plain and simple!

Mandevillian
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I have seen how a purse seine works, and it does catch and kill EVERYTHING associated with a school of pogies on the surface. But it doesn't come near the bottom. It is not a gill net or entanglement net by any means and theses boats have been out there doing this for 50+ years so I would question whether they play a major role in the current fishery issue. In the Chesapeake they were damaging the forage base by removing too many menhaden. I have not seen evidence that this is occurring here. But then again I don't think a systemic index of forage base species exists for our waters. We do know that shrimping is a huge factor we just lack the political will to do anything.
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lanco1,I suggest you do some due diligence and check out one of the ways in which menhaden reduction fisheries harvest tons of bunker(menhaden).From what I just read,once the purse seine is tightened,guess what happens NEXT-giant seawater vacuum device LOWERED and guess what gets sucked up with the device-ya might have incorrectly stated that they DO NOT get bottom-dwellers but I understand EVERYTHING is subject to getting swept up into these boats and even IF flounders manage SOMEHOW to escape,guess what DOES NOT escape-dat's right the very forage for plenty of sportfish like specks,reds,etc.Reduce the forage and guess what ensues-reduction of species like reds,specks,etc.Be just like if ya favorite set of restaurants decides to shut down PERMANENTLY,what choice ya got left-go elsewhere and seek another restaurant,possiby MILES from your favorite restaurants.Not totally unlike what happens to our duck populations when large money gets poured into flooding agricultural fields(totally legal just like menhaden fisheries)and ducks that used to come here have plentiful feed(DU Magazine talking about Migratory Shifts)and they decide to vacate their favorite local restaurants(some folks erroneously claiming habitat destruction here-I call dat BS and where I hunt grasses thicker than EVER)and now these ducks have IMPRINTED and hardly if ever migrate to where they used to.Lotta folks claiming climactic changes and that is true to a large degree but MIGRATORY manipulation at play big-time and relate what is going on with menhaden fisheries and take away not only redfish and black drum breeding and speck breeding stocks but ALSO destroy their forage base and see what dat leads to.Lotta factors at play and for kicks,read about the wonderful work the Dutch do with respect to Coastal Protection and Erosion Protection and gotta hand it to de Dutch,dey are much more efficient at dredging and coastal erosion control-we gotta contend with antiquated Jones Act and even more antiquated dredging operations.Read de Advocate for ya self and see how screwed we are here in LA.

Mandevillian
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All nets kill fish, end of story. Larger demand means more nets, larger population means more demand and with demand comes $ and those with power also love money. Let's try to be simple - more demand = more nets = more fish caught and more bycatch killed unintentionally. Dead men tell no tales and dead fish never make to my box or any table for that matter.
If the industry is left alone they will kill EVERY single thing they can in pursuit of more $ (not fish) they are not out there to catch fish as WE are, they are out there to make $. Don't give me the I need to feed my family line, go get a line wet and feed them and get your freaking nets out of our waters.

I have personally watched these boats below (south) of the rocks down the MRGO, they are destructive, end of story.

It's not about what industry drives this, it's about not tolerating it because it destroys wildlife. How much it destroys is not the topic its the fact that it destroys wildlife period.

Don't give me the they throw everything back they are not suppose to catch because they do not have an accurate mortality rate on the throw backs for undersized fish fishermen/ladies catch and for sure they don't come close to being accurate for nets.

The byproduct is not solely used in LA waters therefore its not good for LA people due to the loss being greater than the reward. For those that use Gods land for pleasure, relaxation and food the cost far exceeds any political $ generated from these acts. LA WLF is suppose to guard the wildlife and politicians are elected by the people not industries. Get it together
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Misfortune,Amen,brother!!!

Mandevillian
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Not a fan of them at all, but I understand the need for the industry. Many of our commercial and recreational fisheries depend on a supply of pogies to exist as do many other industries that rely on them I do feel they need tighter regulation and the resource needs to be properly preserved.
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According to the original article in THE SPORT FISHING MAGAZINE...these two foreign- based companies (Canada and South Africa) HAVE NO REGULATIONS/NO LIMIT AS far as allowable tonnage to be caught. THE ONLY report of what they 'say was caught' IS SUBMITTED BY THESE TWO COMPANIES...LAST YEAR 3/4 BILLION POUNDS!???! Apparently, no State/Federal 'observers' aboard these vessels!?!

The only regulation is that they are allowed to have on-board 5% of TOTAL CATCH...NOT COUNTING THE UNKNOWN AMOUNT OF KILLED/OVERBOARD BY-CATCH (trout, redifsh, snapper, cobia, croaker, etc, etc....)!

THERE MUST BE A REASON THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS IS NOT ALLOWED ALONG THE ATLANTIC/EASTERN SEABOARD!
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