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I am going to buy a new scope soon and was wondering about your opinion Zeiss vs Leupold vs Nikon vs anything somewhere in the $400-$600 dollar range. i was thinking the Zeiss conquest 3-9x40mm great glass and eye relief, good price. Don't want the extra weight and cost of the 50mm. i have zeiss, leupold and nikon scopes already. and like them all. just want to see what you think. oh i am putting it on a 7 mag. thanks
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Scopes
It just so happens that yesterday I did a "field test" on a Zeiss Conquest 3-9x50 and a Meopta Meostar R1 3-12x56. We compared those two to a Nikon Monarch 3-9x40. The only way I can possibly describe the difference is like comparing a Shimano Calcutta to a Zebco 33.
The Meopta was slightly better then the Zeiss but the Meopta did have a 56mm tube as opposed the the 50 on the Zeiss. I looked at the scopes from 5 to 5:30 yesterday afternoon and I realized that a Nikon is still a good scope but it is junk compared to the other two. I could have easily killed a deer with the Ziess or Meopta 15 - 20 minutes later then with the Nikon.
The best way to compare is to go to a store that sales scopes and compare. If you do that, make sure you get to the store right at dusk and compare for yourself.
Trust me, you will see for yourself, Nikon and Leupold do not hold a candle to Zeiss or Meopta (I won't even bring up a Swarovski). Let us know what you decide.
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Scope
I bought a new Leupold Vx1 3x9x40 off eBay a couple weeks ago for $199.95. Nice scope reasonably priced. Before I bought it I read a review on the internet which said it was a good scope for the money. I'm not saying its as good as my 3.5x10x50 but in reality there isn't much difference.
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Swarovski
I would love to have one but I am having a hard enough time trying to explain to my wife why I need to spend $500 - $600 and on scope, much less $1200.

I have never looked through a Swarovski, I am sure if I do I will want one.
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Scope
I agree that you should get the best scope that you can afford. But, remember that it's only legal to shoot 30 minutes prior to sunrise and 30 minutes after sunset. A quality scope like a Leupold or Nikon is definitely capable of that (I own both). Price wise, you can't get a better bargain than Leupold or Nikon.

That being said, I have never looked through a Zeiss or Swarovski.

Good luck!
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Scope selection...
It's going to be a matter of personal preference. JB, how can you say that Leupold is junk? It is been one of the top optics manufacturers for like fifty years! I own several different scopes, Nikon, Leupold, Zeiss, and Swarovski. I probably have 15-18 rifles at home and they all have headgear (scopes). Over the years I have researched different scopes and have used each one personally. My scope of choice for EVERY gun I buy now is a Leupold Vari X III. I always buy the 30mm tube (not objective, big difference)instead of the 1" tube. I prefer the 40mm objective over the 50mm because you can mount your scope much closer to the gun, giving yourself much better long range accuracy and consistency. I find very little difference in the amount of light transfer between the 40mm and 50mm objective.

That being said, I prefer my high end Leupold scopes over any other scope made. The 30mm Vari X III's run in the $600-$800 range depending on magnification. I would (and have) put that scope up any day against a Zeiss or Swarovski. It has great light gathering capabilities at dusk and dawn and never loses point of impact.

Any of the scopes mentioned in your post will do a great job for you. I'm not nocking those scopes by any means. Zeiss and Swarovski make some FINE optics and are VERY GOOD! My point is that the Nikon and Leupold scopes are very good too, even though they don't carry the $1500 price tag. Now Zeiss makes a line of scopes called Conquest. They run in the $400-$700 range. This is their "low end" line. I can tell you one thing, There is NO WAY I would buy a low end Zeiss over a high end Nikon or Leupold! My opinion, you are just paying for the name when you buy a Conquest. Completely different story if you step up to the high end Zeiss.

Go to a gun store like someone mentioned earlier and look through all of them and choose the one that YOU like best. As long as you are happy with it, that's all that matters. Good luck with your purchase and happy hunting.
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Junk
I said Leupold and Nikon were junk compared next to the Ziess and Meopta. If I can only spend $200 - $300, I would get a Nikon or Leupold.
I have compared all of those scopes, excluding Burris, and the Zeiss and Meopta were 1000 times better. I noticed that on all models other then Zeiss or Meopta, the edges of the field of view were blurry.
This is just my opinion. Opinions or not right or wrong, they are just an opinion.
I will say that when I buy a new scope in the next few months, it will be a Zeiss or Meopta, not a Nikon or Leupold. I will buy one of those not because of the name, but because I find that they are superior. THIS IS JUST MY OPINION. Opinions are just like those hairy starfish that everyone has.
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JB
JB:

The only problem I see with your scope comparison is that you were comparing a 40mm with a 50 and 56mm scope. You should expect some differences there, maybe not much but some.
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Objective
I did take that into account. That 40mm Nikon looked like I was looking through a straw while that 56mm Meopta was like looking through a toilet paper tube.
When I was at Hebert Guns, all the scopes I looked through were 50mm. I found the Ziess and Meopta to be better.
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POP and JB
Well POP, you just met one!

JB: Did the scopes other than the Nikon have the 30mm tube?

Thanks,,,,,
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JB
JB, easy now... You sound offended! That was just my opinion also, just like yours. As you said, we are each entitled to our own opinions. My post and opinion is based on my personal research and experience. I have never tried a Meopta (spelling?) scope so I can't comment on that. I do however own multiple models and sizes of every other scope mentioned, and in my humble opinion, The 30mm Leupold Vari X III is equally as good, if not better than the $1500 range Zeiss and Swarovski. I have bought five new rifles this year and every one of them is topped with the 30mm Leupold. Money is not an option to me when it comes to my hunting, I buy the best there is. In my opinion, that 30mm Leupold is one of the best scopes on the market. If you figure money into the equation, the only one that compares is the Nikon. Can't beat the value on those two scopes.

Once again, this is my opinion based on my personal experience and research. If this guy is wanting a high quality scope in the $400-$600 range, I don't think the Nikon or Leupold can be beat.

One other thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is the warranty. I'm not sure about the other manufacturers but the Leupold lifetime warranty is superb! I've sent back several scopes that I personally dropped out the stand and cracked them (15-20ft drop). Leupold has sent back a brand new scope, no questions asked, at no cost to me. You can't beat that kind of service.
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Pop
I didn't get into this thread to get into an argument. I follow the 30 minute rule, simple as that. If others don't, then that is their business.

And, God bless you too!
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$$$
In the range you are looking, I would consider you going $100 more and get the new Nikon Monarch. It's 2.5X10X50mm (4X power range)WITH a 30 mm tube. For the price you will not beat it. Side focus also, lifetime warranty etc.etc.etc. Check them out before you buy.
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Shepherds
I have a Shepherd Scope that I will sell you for 500.00 if you are not familiar with the Shepherd Scopes go to Shepherdscope.com and watch the videos I have 2 of them and only need one it is the 40mm .
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Bucks
Hey Bucks, those Sheperds are good scopes, I'd check it out if I were you. Just my 2 cents. May be some room for some good old fashion negotiations too.
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nikon
nikon monarch50mm
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I have some scopes if you don't want the monarch 30 mm
Hey,

I have two monarchs, a 3X9X40 and a straight 4 power that I'll give up for some cash. I also have a Zeiss 2.5X10X42 Conquest that I can also sell after the season.

I'll then get that Monarch 30mm I can tell you. Shoot me an e-mail if your interested.
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Leupold
Got a Leupold Var. 3. 4.5 X 14 X 40. About 600 bucks from cabelas. Could should a knat off a deer's a$$ a 600 yds.
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Well Leupold OF COURSE!
I say LEUPOLD I, my dad, my 2 uncles and basically everyone in my family shoots leupold. mine is about 20yrs old and my dads is about 15 and they are still clear as the day he bought them. I have a VX-1 3-9X40 on my 7mag. and my dad has a VX-3 4.5-18 50mm. My dad dropped his one time from a 20 foot stand a few years ago. he cleaned the barrel and shot the gun onyl had to do MINOR ( like 1 in either directiopn I forgot which way) and he hunted that evening. I say Leupold all the way. best scope you can buy.
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Pentax Lightseeker
I don't think anyone has mentioned pentax. I do like the Nikon but don't own one. I also have a Leupold 3X10X50 and my 3-9-40 pentax lightseeker is clearer and picks up more light. I now own 3 pentax scopes and I think they are exceptional for the money. Especially if you shop around. I bought a used 3-10-50 for $270-new 600; and a new 4-16-44 for $400. I'd take a look at them.
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good advice
never thought about Shepherd i had one on a custom 6.5mm (necked down .270wsm with a hart barrel) talk about shoot a nat off a horses a$$. thanks for the advice.
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2 Cents
My 2 cents...
This past week Sunday and Monday, I hunted the same stand, same weather conditions etc...Sunday I brought my 300WeatherbyMag with a Zeiss Victory Diavari V 6-24x56 Scope ($3200) and Monday brought my Browning 270 that I was given as a young man with a new Leupold VX-III 3.5x10x50 ($600)

Legal Shooting Time Sunday and Monday ended around 5:35 +/- On Sunday evening I was still watching deer at about 70 yards through my Zeiss Optics at 6:10 when I decided to go ahead and get out the stand. Was trying to let the deer run off before I got out the stand. On Monday evening I was looking at deer on the same area at 6:00 pm with the Leupold.

Moral of the story...Buy a scope that fits your needs...if you want the ability to see late...buy nite vision goggles...they are reasonably priced these days... Shooting a deer past legal shooting hours normally won't bag you the deer you think you are shooting. The later and darker it gets, the bigger a deers horns will look through a scope due to Silhouetting
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Look at IOR VALDADA
European quality (actually Zeiss lens and coatings)without the price. I have have hunted with Swarvoski and Zeiss scopes for decades and think they are both incredible choices but very expensive. Three years ago my brother convinced to buy a IOR Valdada scope. I put it on one of my guns and to my amazement found that it performed as well as Swarvoski and Zeiss. I paid about $700 for it.
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Panties in a Wad
I did not mean to come off as mad. The bottom line is there is really no right or wrong answer. It is just like 270 or 30/06 or 7mm. The same goes with ballistic tips or core loks. Everyone has their preference and everyone thinks their choice is the better one.

300WSM ---- Just how many scopes/guns have you dropped? Might want to try tying them off to something.
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Light gathering
Any one of the 30mm scopes you'll have mention are a great selection, due the fact that the 30mm tube is what gives you that extra light gathering.The 40 or 50 mm objectives just gives you a wider angle of veiw.I own 30mm and 1 inch tube scopes from high end to low end and the size of tube and lenses are important.It all comes down on what you can afford and the optics are much more important than the gun.Again not bashing no one, just giving out some information.
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Scopes
I have an IOR Valdada 6x24x50 for long range shooting. However, the longest shot I've taken this year has been 90 yards. So much for long range shooting. Friday 8AM, I was fortunate to shoot a 235 pound 10 point with a 17 3/4 inside spread that should score close to 145 Pics should be available soon. Check out the Meopta Meostar scope. I love the German # 4 reticle.
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NIKON
I put a 4 by 12 by 44 Nikon Monarch on my 7 mag. I have absolutely NO complaints. I could shoot way after legal shooting times. Any later and it would be considered poaching. I got my scope for a lil over 500. I am sure you could spend thousands on a much bigger and better scope. But no matter how big and bad your scope is.....Legal shooting time is legal shooting time. Period.
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