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Gentlemen
Its time to open your eyes to the real
picture.There is a bigger ANIMAL out there than the fight over dog running and still hunting. I hunt both with dogs and without and enjoy hunting both ways.I also feel anyone who is against any type of hunting wether it be with dogs are with out,should be on the list of being an ANTI-HUNTER.
Now to open your eyes a little.I just read an artilce in SPORTING CLAYS MAGAZINE, It states that two of the biggest Anti-hunting groups in the U.S. just merged,these two groups are Humane Society of the U.S. (HSUS) and the Fund for Animals (FFA),with net assets of 100 million and a checkbook of over 70 million. Do we as hunters have this much unity,well by reading some of these post I would have to say NOT.
Bow hunters it's time to open your eyes with a little quote from a spokesmen for the (HSUS) and I Quote:HSUS made it very clear their number one priority will be to force a ban on bowhunting.(its considered a vulnerable spot to start).It also states that the HSUS will attack all bloodsports which they call any type of hunting,fishing,and trapping.
So lets stop fighting each other and unite,because there is a bigger ANIMAL out there.
P.S. The one starting the ban on dog hunting in area 6 is lungshot.
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I say we just start hunting them. KILL,EM ALL
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   Timothy
Does anyone know the size/take limits on anti-hunters? Any good recipes?
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'net assets of $100 million...' and how much of that has gone to conserve and protect habitat for wild game and non-game animals? I disagree with the idea that hunters must support every type of hunting. Certain forms of hunting make all of us look bad. This country was built on dissent and if you want to criticize, why not do it? Those anti-hunting wackos do nothing to actually buy land for wildlife to live upon. Our hunting taxes and fees and conservation organizations do all that. It's the fringe types of hunting(fenced in operations, bear baiting, etc.) that offend the non-hunters, and jeopardize the sport. I bowhunt refuges where no dog hunting is allowed. If I were in the basin like lungshot and had my hunts screwed up by guys who runs their dogs across other people's land, I'd be POed too. My office manager pays several thousand dollars a year to lease timberland in Winn, and non-leaseholders let dogs run across it, while they forbid it among the lessees. He's sorely tempted to solve the problem himself.
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Before we get everyone all fired up to open seasons on the anti's and then post all the tasty recipes we could imagine (lots of garlic I hear), let's remember that we're expected to be better than they are. They attack us, we don't attack them. A few years ago while researching some of these groups, I found one web page that had a hunter in the crosshairs of a scope. To them, it was wrong to kill animals but okay to think in terms of killing us. That's just wrong and their support is weak. I just worry about the actual looneys that sign up with them.

I believe that we should all unite by joining organizations that support and fight for wildlife. Join Delta Waterfowl, DU, NRA, NWTF, etc. and then hold the leaders of those organizations accountable as voices for our rights. As hunters, we do put up funds that help wildlife. I try to hunt ducks pretty hard during the season but the other 305 days I'm concerned about waterfowl conservation and I put whatever I can towards supporting that effort.

I spent three months in New Hampshire last month and let me tell you, the anti's are active. NH is definitely a pro-hunting state but there are those that will do what they can to stop some or all types of hunting. You didn't see much of it here in Louisiana, but in the last election bear hunting in Maine was almost as critical as the Bush/Kerry vote. Don't assume that they are weak.
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I believe most of the people that post on here aren't ANTI-dog hunting. They are just sick and tired of people not following the law. There are too many people that turn loose their dogs only to have them end up on a lease that does not run dogs or have them end up on WMA's.

I've also witnessed on multiple occaissions the inconciderate nature of many of these people. While duck hunting one morning (actually on multiple occaissions)I could hear the deer dogs running and they kept getting closer and closer. Sure enough some guy pulls into the pond in a skiff, drops the anchor and sits on the bow with a gun in his hand only 40-50 yards away from my decoy spread. Had this guy been there first I would have found another place to hunt.

It appears that the LDWF is doing nothing about this so the only way to stop these outlaws is to stop it all together. I agree dog hunting should be legal, but you need to abide by the rules and help convince other dog hunters to also abide by the rules.

The guys that hunt on my father's lease will occaissionally bring in some dogs. But these dogs are placed on an island where there is no way they can escape to other nearby leases.

If its impossible for you to keep your dogs on your land, you should let them loose in that area.

I do believe dog hunting should be allowed on private lands only. Its not fair to other hunters on public land to have their mornings ruined by people chasing dogs by boat and on foot, not to mention the danger, while others are trying to hunt quietly, whether it be for rabbits, squirrel, deer, or ducks.
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Wack,em-n-stack,em
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   woodie
Most hunting clubs that run dogs have been doing it for years. So if you get in a club, and the club next to you dog hunts, either deal with it or find a new place to hunt. Don't try to make them stop hunting.

The club bordering where I hunt, dog hunts and it really doesn't bother me or the deer a whole lot. I've killed an 8-point just thirty minutes after watching a walker hound come wandering through the woods. I've had more hunts ruined by squirrel hunters during bow season, than by dogs during rifle season. But I'm not going to start a petition to ban squirrel hunting in area 6.

-To the editors- I think you should use your 'deleting abilities' to clean up this site from all the people who want to ban any type of hunting. This is Louisiana SPORTSMAN, not Louisiana STILL HUNTER.
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   duck77777
I think if you want to hunt with dogs hunt with them. If you want to still hunt still hunt for dogs if they come by that will solve all of the problems everyone seems to have about this situation. You dont want them on your hunting lease take them out wak em and stak em they proably taste preety good to with a little bit of garlic.
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i agree with henry. if you want to hunt dogs do it on your own lease i have had too many dogs ruin hunts for me than i can count. the problem is the dogs don't know boundries. there fore they run deer out of adjoining leases too.

as for the anti hunting... i own a gun and i will hunt whether they sell licences or not.

think about this though. there is too much money involved in hunting for congress to pass any law banning it.
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I agree with mike stop all the hunting you want ill still hunt anyway too.You cant keep your eyes on every patch of bushes and before you know it WHACK the widowmaker has struck again. STICK AND STRING TILL I DIE WEATHER ITS LEGAL OR NOT
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Just my two cents but no matter what typ of hunting you do there will allways be people that messup your hunt. I cant even remember all the time's just this year alone Ive had hunts messed up, weather it be dogs, squirrel hunters when im bowhunting, or ive had people bass fishing not even 30 yards from my duck blind we just wave and keep on hunting, I understand there just trying to do there thing were all sportsmen why fight. I say just shut up and hunt be happy we still have that right, some country's have started to ban guns like England , Australia and i think even canada but im not sure. these groups spend millions of dollers and just look for anykind of loop hole to get hunting and guns baned. You dont see to much of these groups down here but I just got back from a trip to mishigan and i got cused out because of the arise kill eat sticker on my truck. we should be fighting with people like that insted of other sportsmem .
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GreenHeadKiller,

First of all I have no problem with people deer hunting with dogs. I know no matter what you are doing you can always have other hunters mess up your hunt. But I think its much different with the dog hunting. I've seen people drop of 20-30 dogs on state land and they chase them around the entire islands in their boats. They aren't just picking a spot and hunting it like still hunters. They are essentially saying screw everybody else we're claiming these islands this weekend. They turn loose their dogs and follow them everywhere they go with no regard for other hunters.

Look at the Atch. Delta, there are tons of bowhunters out there, with the exception of walking by hunters while you're heading to your stand there's not a whole lot of interference between bowhunters, and bowhunters and duck hunters. But if these guys would release dogs out there it would effect everybody.

I also agree that I will hunt as long as I am physically able. As long as there are seasons, I will abide by the law, but if the antis ever get their way and remove seasons, I will not abide by the law.
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   Basinboy
Amen Mr. Mouton!
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   lungshot
that's just silly. I am in no way a proponant of the anti-gun, anti-hunting movement. I have stated before, that I am simply in favor of anything that benefits our deer population and quality, and not just my own personal agenda. If you are suggesting that I am 'anti-hunting', then you must also believe that LDWF is also 'anti-hunting' because they won't let us hunt black bears. Think about it......at some point, we had to say, hey, we can't just keep depleting the duck populations. We're shooting ourselves in the foot. Without those regulations, we would have hunted ourselves right out of the sport. Do you think that a person should be able to use lead shot, just because they prefer it, and because they used lead shot as a kid, and so did their parents and grandparents? And do you think that whoever decided that using steel shot would be a good conservation tool, was part the anti-hunting agenda? No. And whoever posted about people killing way more deer still hunting as opposed to dog hunting, needs to stop sniffing glue. I am simply recognizing a practice that has consistently been a problem, and is progressively worsening. These problems include trespassing disputes, the harvesting of immature bucks, the inconsideration of fellow hunters, the number of deer killed, bla bla bla. I have enjoyed dog hunting over the years. And believe me, if problems of this magnitude were the product of any other type of hunting, I would feel the same way toward them. It's not like I just can't stand dog hunting as a sport. And I also know that not all dog hunters share these same irresponsable practices. The same arguements can be compared to ANY type of hunting restrictions, that have EVER been put in place in the name of conservation.

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Well we got mixed veiws here. I hunt in the basin and have hunted there for 35yrs I hunt with a club that has dog hunted for over 50yrs.some of this hunters will stop hunting if they can t run dogs,do i think the LWFA is anti hunting NO!We need laws to protect the wildlife.Lets look at it a other way there is roughly 500 dog hunters in the area we hunt If they stop hunting then lets see 30to40 dallors for hunting lic.times 500 hunters equals $20,000 for the state in revenew ,just half stop hunting thats a lose of $10,000 not counting on money spent on gas food etc.
Lungshot I agree with you on one point the deer in the basin are killed to young,I have seen this with my on eyes,but your club is just as guilty has all the rest of the hunters in the basin wether they be dog hunters are still hunters
but this not because of dog hunters its the way most all louisiana think deer hunting should be(if its brown put it on the ground).Well I agree it time for change but stopping dog running is not the answer.
I have deer that score well over 150B&C killed in La. tx.& Miss. One even goes over 170 B&C.beleive me the for a deer to grow to that stage in life he must age (just like fine wine),so stopping dog hunting is not going to stop this educating hunters on letting young 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,and10pts walk (shot all spikes) is better than stopping one type of hunting. GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!! In tring to do this because most La. hunters Don't know any better.
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I'm a dog hunter through and through, and I say there is a viable soulution to ALL of these problems:
1)Agreed, DO NOT release dogs where you cant control them
2)Agreed, BE RESPECTFUL of other's rights to hunt, and the law.
3)As with every other type of deer hunting (muzzleloader, archery, still), make dog hunting and entirely sepearate season. Now, the rulebook reads 'With or without dogs'. That means you CAN use dogs, but can still still hunt. Muzzleloader and archery get a separate season from gun and dog, why shouldn't dog get a seperate season too? THAT would solve a lot of problems, especially in public areas.

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   lungshot
Now we're getting somewhere Maxwell. Even though you and I are on opposite ends of this issue, you make a lot more since than some of the arguements I've heard lately. I would be willing to go with something like that, as long as there are no dogs during the rut. Hell, I'm so desperate for sanity, I'd almost settle for still hunting the rut only, and give the dog hunters the rest of the season. That would never fly.

Claybuster, you're right about educating the hunters about conservation. But Louisiana and education, should never be used together in the same sentence. That's an impossible mixture.
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   lungshot
I don't think 'The Nuge' would stand for an attack on bow hunting.
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   woodie
If they make seperate seasons for still and dog hunters, that would make the season shorter for people who just stillhunt. That might be ok with you, but I don't think it would fly well with most people. So heres my solution to your problem: you quit hunting when dog season opens, and everyone will get along.
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   lungshot
Hey, I thought it sounded reasonable in the spirit of compromise, but never expected it to fly.
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I agree with maxwell having a separate season for dog hunting would solve some problems,but it also might start more problems mainly the problem would be those who don t do there best to control ther dogs.
hey lungshot if you can tell me the exact dates of the rut in the basin I might go along with thatbecause there is nothing like seeing a big chasing does(expect for the sound of 20 walker hounds HOTTT!!! on a deer are coyote SWEET SOUND OF MUSIC) I have notice the rut has moved almost a week are two later each year in the basin. Can you explain this?
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   po--me
i would have to disagree with your theory of deer hunting seasons-- the only season that would qualify as a stand alone one would be the dog season because 1. you cannot still hunt with dogs running around 2. you could hardly bow hunt with dogs running around 3. you guys need to use bows and use muzzle loaders while dog hunting since you think that they have their own seasons--i am sure you would get a maj. vote to have dog hunting allowed with only bows and muzzle loaders-- the real issue about dog hunting is just that there are no other seasons while dogs are being used --no bow -no muzzle --and no still hunting--no other hunting sport affects the other maj. of hunters as much--you say you want a separate season well i know some clubs that have been running dogs after the season just for sport and some for money to see who has the best dogs--these runs are not affecting any hunters--
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   lungshot
I have noticed the same thing with the rut. But I don't have a reason why. To me, it seemed that the rut peeked around that week of Muzzle loading. But maybe it was just the fact that the dogs were over with, and everything just settled down a bit. And by the next week, when bow only was open, there was unbelieveable deer activity, but it seemed that the bucks weren't chasing does anymore.
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I have a lease on the other side of the leeve where dogs are not run the is rut doing the sme thing keeps moving aweek later every year.
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I don't care if he's chasin' a doe,eatin' corn are tryin' to out smart a pack of dogs. I just would love to shoot a buck right about now.
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   Frank R
I have nothing against deer hunting with dogs. I just wish the hunters doing it had more respect for people who pay good money to still hunt.Just make and extra effort to keep them on your own land and im sure everything will work out o.k.
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   Crankbait
I'm new to this forum, so first of all I want to say hello to all the fellow sportsmen and women in here.

First, I am a still hunter who has no problem with those who chose to hunt with dogs.

I am fortunate to have a lease in an area where the bordering clubs are all still hunting clubs. The marsh is really not the best place to hunt with dogs anyway.

I used to hunt on my uncle's property in Mississippi up until he died some years back. I used to get really ticked when the outlaw dog hunters would release their dogs on private property from the roadside and ride the country roads in their vehicles waiting for the dogs to run deer across the roads. That left a bad taste in my mouth, and whenever someone brought up the topic of dog hunting, I would always have something negative to say about it. I also used to hunt with a friend in Natchez in a still hunt club with an 8 point or better and 16' spreadrule. A bordering club used dogs, but they didn't use control in keeping their dogs on their property nor did they practice conservation or impliment rules on size. They literally shot everything that ran by. My friend's club took to shooting the dogs when they ran across the property. That lead to camp burnings, pot shots in the direction of hunters, vehicles getting keyed, fist fights, etc.... Eventually, the guys who hunted with dogs gave up and left the area, and everything settled down.

A few years back, I was invited on a hunt with at a club that used dogs. At first I declined and voiced my opposition to using dogs. They guy assured me that this was not a bunch of outlaw hunters and they practiced conservation equal to that of even the best managed still hunting clubs. I eventually accepted the offer and was pleasantly surprised to find that this club was everything described. All of the guys and girls I met that day were ethical hunters with a true passion for their choice of deer henting. They were very careful to not infringe on the rights of their neighbors with the use of dogs. When a dog would stray off of the property, the still hunting neighbors were also respectful and would return the dogs.

Hunting with dogs is a sport that appeals to many, so I would never knock it unless the hunters show a total lack of respect for the neighbors who chose to still hunt. This club in central La. is a prime example of how it should be done.

Special seasons are not needed. Respect for the neighbors, and an ethical practice of running dogs is all that's needed.
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The club I hunt we to the best to keep the dogs where they should be,I myself have burned 60 to 70 gallons of fuel in 3 day weekend we use tracking collars any thing possible to keep owr dogs in owr hunt.but just like every thing else we are not perfect and they to sometimes get out the hunt we don t like this as much as the still hunters but sometimes it happens.
You made a good point wether you know it are not until someone goes on hunt with dogs that really do there best to be curdious to another they really shouldn t talk down on something they know nothing about.
Every been on your stand and see that big buck coming to you? You get that feeling ever real hunter knows(HEART BEATING OUT YOUR CHEST,SKAKING IN YOUR BOOTS,JUST LIKE THE FIRST TIME YOU HAD SEX)WELL TO A TRUE DOG HUNTER HE GETS THAT FEELING EVERY TIME HE HEARS THAT PACK OF DOGS COMING HIS WAY OOPS!!! IT WAS A DOE LET HER GO BY,BUT FOR THAT FEW MINUTES ARE SECONDS THAT FEELIG WAS THERE.I STILL HUNT ALSO THE ONLY TIME I GET THAT FEELIG STILL HUNTING IS WHEN I SEE THAT BIG BUCK WHICH IN LA.IS NOT THAT OFTEN. THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTS THAT NOT ALL DOG HUNTERS ARE BAD.
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I still support sepearate season's, despite your comments and here's why:
You say still hunters cant hunt with dogs running around them. AGREED, so make the season's sepearte. Then, if you were still hunting, it would prove a point: dog hunters (though only a few) are not the only illegal ones. There are others who who use illegal practices, because if you hunt still during dog season, it would be illegal.

I am a dog hunter, and IF, and only if, to reach a compromise, I had to take a hit of 1 or 2 days, and give it to still hunters, I would. I'm not unreasonable, and I do want to see problems solved, and if that did it, then I would do it.

But banning my sport won't solve all of the worlds problems, nor will ANYTHING EVER please ALL people, but it will make many people on both sides happier.
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The fact of the matter is this---- the dog hunters have been making their bed for many years and now they have to lay in it. People are starting to see how their ways are bad for the sport.They are starting to see how they don't abide by property lines and run dogs where they don't belong.I will agree I have seen some dog clubs that are very strict with their rules and I don;t have a problem with them its that rest. If we can't do anything to stop the oputlawing and trespassing then I will fully support outlawing dog hunting. I believe it is your right to hunt the way you see fit on your property but when you force your way of hunting on someone elses land your wrong. And from what I have seen so far their is no law going to stop them.
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   po--me
i can just IMAGE if there was a dog only season how much dog running on other properties would occur--it would be open season on others property--
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   lungshot
Never thought of that. I guess the seperate seasons wouldn't solve that problem.
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If this happens and the dog runners do hunt everyone elses land I won't stop hunting on mine I will just be looking for a different species. Waiting for one to cross the property line and then let one fly. I have had all I can take with hunters not abiding property lines.I think they should be warned about the problem and if nothing changes then completely ban dog hunting. Which we are at this point now , they know that people are tired of them hunting where they don't belong ,,,,they just wait until you are back at home working during the week and then they winrow your place. There was an article in the daily iberian this weekend about this. There is something wrong when a land owner won't go to a wildlife commision meeting and speak his peace because he is worried that the dog hunters will go and burn his camp down.This is the kind of bs that dog hunters are well known for.

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   lungshot
Was that in the Sunday paper? I'd like to read it.
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I grew up hunting with dogs and I loved it.But,we always ran beagles b/c a deer can get way ahead of a small dog so it doesn't run as far.And a beagle will usally come back to the driver during the hunt.A big dog ,like,a walker are black and tan,could run a deer for days.So what im saying is turning 40 dogs loose is uncalled for.We had stands on the lease with numbers whatever number you draw thats what stand you hunt.If the dogs ran a doe by you then you cut the dogs off.[3 or 4 dogs not 40 or 50]If its a buck and he gets by you then let them go b/c he will either circle back are the lease over probaly won't mind shooting him.
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   po--me
even with thousand of acres on kat. for dog days we tried to hunt around the hwy 1233/156 junction where there are a few private leases and guess what --dog hunters constantly dropped dogs around the private leases even thou their are many acres where no private land is near--its like the old saying the grass looks greener on the other side of the property line--its not like you would not know where these private lands are there is a kat. map that shows all areas---as far as i am concerned there should not be any dog hunting on wmas anywhere---are the other alternative just dog days on all wmas--at least you would know which way to go---there is little middle ground with this issue --all or none --like a riot--
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SOUTHERN HUNTER IT SEEMS TO ME YOU THINK ALL DOG HUNTERS ARE BAD!!!!! WELL LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING THER ARE STILL HNTERS THAT WILL TO THE SAME THING THEY OUTLAW THEY CROSS PROPERTY LINES SO THEY THE WAY IT LOOKS RIGHT NOW THE GOOD HAVE SUFFER FOR BAD IS WHAT YOUR SAYING IF I WAS ONE OF THESE SO CALLED OUTLAW DOG HUNTER DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD STOP DOING A SPORT WE LOVE AND ENJOY BECAUSE OF A FEW BAD EGGS WILL WHAT ABOUT THE BAD EGGS IN THE STILL HUNTERS BASKET JUST LET THEM DO AS THEY PLEASE SORRY SPELLED STILL HUNTER WRONG IT SPELLED STEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WHEN I FIRST WROTE THIS I TRIED TO OPEN PEOPLES EYES ON A BIGGER PROBLEM THAN HUNTERS FIGHTING WITH EACH OTHER, YOU STOP DOG RUNNING THEN WE AS HUNTERS JUST SHOT ARE SELF IN THE FOOT AND THE ANTI-HUNTERS WIN ONE WITH OUT LIFTING A FINGER.
SO HUNTERS JUST NEED TO REMEBER THERE IS A BIGGER ANIMAL OUT THERE AND THEY DON T MINED TAKING SMALL BITES OUT OF HUNTING TO MEET THEIR GOAL.
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Po:
you say there is no middle ground with this issue, but I feel there could be if the still hunters would just be willing to cooperate. Some are not willling to negotiate at all, and see their 'solution' as the only solution. We need to find a middle ground, banning dog hunting all together is NOT going to work.
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BS Dog hunters are known for? Let me give you a little bit of info:
Dog hunters do some illegal things, yes, but what about the still hunter that gets caught with illegal deer in his possession, are ALL still hunters illegal?

What about the story of a man told to the Wildlife commission, about a WMA, when he put a stand out? He had been waiting to hunt for MONTHS put his stand out, scouted the area, and found the perfect place. A man came along FIRST day of season, sees the man and his stand, and next thing you know, the first man is looking down the barrel of a 30-06 and is told 'this is not your spot, its mine'.

Tell me now that dog hunters threaten? Even if they do, so do still hunters, they are not perfect, no group is. But I will say this: When the season comes, I'm not going to be on this site arguing, I will be posting to tell you how much fun I've had and what I've killed.
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JUST LAST YEAR OPEN WEEKEND OF DOG SEASON ON MY WAY TO THE CAMP WITH A BOAT LOAD OF DOGS I PAST BY SOME STEAL HUNTERS CAMP USALLY THERE IS ONLY 5 OR 6 STEAL HUNTERS THERE BUT ON THIS FRIDAY THERE WERE 30 TO 40 PEOPLE AT THEIR CAMP.YES IT WAS A DOE WEEKEND TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT WE DIDN T TURN ANY DOGS LOOSE THAT WEEKEND.ON SUNDAY ONE OF THEM STEAL HUNTERS STOPS ME IN THE BAYOU CRYING WHY DIDN T WE TURN DOGS LOOSE THEY HAD 40 PEOPLE AT THEIR CAMP AND ONLY KILLED 2 DEER I MEAN HE WAS WINING LIKE A LITTLE BABY.WE MISSED OUT ON THE ROAR OF FRESH PACK OF HOUNDS BUT AT LEST THEM STEAL HUNTERS HAD LONG BORING WEEKEND.IT ALSO MADE FOR A LOT OF LAUGH THE NEXT WEEKEND AT THE CAMP.
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This is a perfect example of why still hunters and dog hunters dont get along. These still hunters sounded as if they only wanted to kill the deer that ran by them because of your dogs. Either that, or they would have bellyached and complained that you ruined their hunt. Good thing you didnt.
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   Crankbait
A question about your story below... What WMA allows people to put up stands before the season opens? I hunted quite a few WMA's, and all of them did not allow a stand to be placed in the woods that was not attended... Basically, you bring them in when you go hunt, and you take it out when you're finished. I know there are different rules in WMA's, but do any allow you to set up stands when you're not actually hunting?
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   duck77777
How come there was no reply to my email. I replied to you how come you cant do the same?
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   lungshot
I never e-mailed you. Must have me confused with someone else. Never noticed your e-mail. I'll check for it. My mailbox is so cluttered with junkmail, that I don't even check it anymore. Weightloss.....Viagra........Hairloss.........Know what I mean?
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   lungshot
No Duck777, checked my mailbox. Never got anything from you. Of course I had 10 pages of crap piled up. May have been over quota.
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   duck77777
Sorry lungshot it wasnt you I went back and checked it was buckinrut. Please email me with you response to my email I was kind enough to email you back with my thoughts
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   BUCKINRUT
I never received your e-mail, but of course my computer does not receive junk mail. Maybe you were too busy shooting dogs and eating them with alittle garlic. (That's chicken S _ _ _!) You and lungshot keep mocking everyone about the small does and the taking of immature bucks maybe that's why you have developed a nice recipe for hunting dogs. I have not seen any of ya'll trophy buck pictures.
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I dont know the rules for the WMA, all I know is that that is what the guy said at the meeting.
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   BUCKINRUT
Hell of a job Claybuster, I don't know how you and your fellow dog hunters were able to hold your dogs back (My brother-in-law and I could not have done it) but it shows how the still hunters don't mind a good pack of hounds. Out of those 30 and 40 still hunters waiting for those hounds how many would you say have signed that petition to ban dogs? Ask the same still hunters to put in a few dollars and some work help raising those hounds and watch them run. Hat's off to you.
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   duck77777
Its a shame that you cant take a little critisim. If it was junk mail then be a baby and dont read it shows your level of maturity. At least I have a open enough mind to read your email and except your opinion on a subject. So let your dogs run on other peoples property and you tresspass right behind them and in 5 years you will not be able to hunt with dogs anywhere! You can already see where its going they are holding meetings for area 6 already. So you go ahead and dont have any respect for anybody else and there property run your dogs just better hope they dont come by me.
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Thanks Buckinrut we had a good laugh about it too.but didn ttell the whole story we ran dogs and killed deer we heard that sweet sound of music,we just did it about 10 miles from those steal hunters on island of state land with another group of friends so you and your brother-in-law can still be proud of us.
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I try to consider myself a rational person. So I say that if dogs were running on others property, the landowner has EVERY RIGHT to do something about it. I can even see now killing dogs (I don’t agree AT ALL, but I can see the anger and the frustration), but don’t let the few bad dog hunters ruin it for the good. Its like Claybuster said, some still hunters don’t have the decency to come forward when using others dogs like that.

I ask the question, what is the difference between using anothers dogs and hunting on anothers land? One is illegal (trespassing) and the other is just plain immoral.
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expect ror the shooting of dogs.
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   lungshot
You guys keep patting yourselves on the back. Has anyone told any of you what went on at the meeting last night concerning dogs in area 6? If I were a gambling man, I'd bet that the Sportsman will soon be flooded with ads for dogs for sale.
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Yea lungshot i was ther i know what went on.if I were you I won t pat myself either The fight is not over yet.
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I am clueless as to the Area Six problem. What is it? I do not hunt in that area.
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   lungshot
Maxwell. The problem is, that there are several small pieces of state land scattered in between private land. Add to that the fact that this area is over congested with dog hunters. Most of which don't lease or own any land. They are simply picking a place to hunt on any given day, and turning their dogs loose. The small pieces of state land that are scattered all around give them the excuse to hunt wherever they want basically. there is absolutely no way possible for them to contain their dogs on those small pieces. Some lease small pieces, but nowhere near enough land needed to run dogs without trespassing. In all fairness, there are a very few larger dog clubs that lease larger amounts of land, but apparently it's not enough land to contain their dogs, because they are still trespassing. In fact, if the clubs that lease 2000 or more continous acres would be ellegible for a dog hunting permit, there would only be 4 or 5 clubs that would qualify.

Now, that was the short version. The biggest problems are with the rogue dog hunters that lease very little land, or none at all. Not only do they hunt your property, but they are like pirates. When you run across them on your property, they've threatened to shoot the landowners, burn down everyone's camps, vandalize trucks at the boat landings, sink your boat while you are in the woods, not to mention all of the fist fights and shots fired in your direction. And I'm sure you can imagine what kind of ethics these renegades have. They all have the same attitude as widomaker. They shoot anything that moves and once it's on the ground they take it if it's legal and leave it if it's not. We find shot up deer all over the place. These are the ones that bring shame to dog hunting in this area. But even the law abiding dog hunters can't keep their dogs contained. There's simply not enough room for it. And even though dogs aren't allowed on Attackapas, they also end up running through it every year.

It was never this big of a problem because just about everyone dog hunted, and the neighboring clubs allowed each other to catch dogs on each other's property and understood each other. But even then there was still violent arguements between the respectable dog clubs and the rogue clubs. But in recent years, as more and more hunting clubs are doing away with dog hunting, and landowners are banning dog hunting on their land, the dog trespassing problem becomes more and more of an issue, for obvious reasons.

Remember......I used to dog hunt. Nobody can say that I don't know what it's like. I've been on both sides of the fence. But nobody can ignore or deny the crisis here in Area 6.

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   francis
I had a club a few years ago that local people have hunted for years and when they found out I had leased it they were pissed. I put up gates and posted everything and then during the season durung the middle of the week when they thought I would not be there I showed up and caught them hunting in my stands. I confronted them and then they started flatening tires on my trailer and breaking windows and stuff which led to the dog season and they let them go on my lease while I was still hunting so for the 400.00 I spent on new trailer tires I took out a dog. They found out we got into it and one of them told me I better watch my back that things tend to burn down alot out hear, so I replied you know what chief go ahead and burn my trailer to the ground if you want but before you throw the match remember that I lease this land and I have a million dollar insurance policy for everything on it and I don't live here I hunt here. Oh and by the way I know exactly where you and your whole family live if my trailer burns trust me your trailer will burn the only difference is I still have a home 4 hrs. from here to go back to you will have nothing and from that day forward I never had another issue with them again.
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   lungshot
I hear ya francis. Those SOBs are like terrorists. Maybe this is a job for Homeland Security. Ha ha. This is a regular occurance in area 6
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   lungshot
Don't let Mouton hear you say that. Instead of addressing the root of the problem, he'll get the Humane Society involved for harassing the dogs.
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   francis
yea to bad that guy only has 6 more dogs to be harrassed. The seventh is on my wall (ha hah hah a).
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Gotcha. The problem is there is simply not enough room to run and too many people.

Okay, if you cant control dogs, dont release them. Thats enough said on that subject. I wont release my dogs anywhere I cant control them.
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   Gautro
Not all of area 6 has this so called problem. Where I hunt, in Ascension parish, we are fortunate to be surrounded by clubs who run dogs also. It appears the aurgument is west of the Mississippi River. I am not aware of a dog versus still hunter problem east of the river.
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   bolo
We don't have a problem in the northern part of area six either (southern Avoyelles/northern St. Landry). Just seems to be that area between the levees and from I-10 towards the South.
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   lungshot
Maxwell, like Chad said, it sucks that the renegade jacka$$es are giving someone like you a bad name. If all dog hunters were like you, there would be no problem. That's why I got away from dog hunting around here.
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   lungshot
Not too farmiliar with that part of area 6.
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   JB
You must not hunt around White Castle. If you did you would know how big of a problem it is. The clubs that I am refering to do not shoot everything that moves, they are very selective in what they shoot but, every single morning their dogs would run right to the property we were hunting. I will say that a few times those dogs pushed deer on us but it was not worth the aggravation. One of the clubs has lost their priveledge to hunt a certain piece of property because the landowner found out that they hunted a piece of property that was off limits to them. I will say this one good thing about those guys. Everytime we saw them looking for thier dogs, they never had a gun with them so at least they were not trying to kill deer off of the property we were hunting. That still does not overshadow the fact that we never could have a morning hunt without a pack of dogs running all over us. This was not just on the weekend, this was EVERY SINGLE DAY.
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