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OK guys whats your opinion on the best choice 444 or 45/70 for deer hunting in LA for primitive weapon season.Also what brand of gun do you recommend?
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   ROB213
I don't think you can use the 444 in La. it's not a pre 1900 caliber.
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The 444 is legal for the LA primitive weapons seasons. The legislation was aimed at the firearms and not the cartridge.

The only stipulations on cartridges was that they have to be .38 caliber or larger. Here is the info from the LDWF that list which specific firearms are legal. As long as it is one of the legal guns and is a .38 caliber or larger it's legal to use. That includes the 45/70, .44 Mag and .444 Marlin.

FROM LDWF:

In a response to the recent approval of Act 51, which partly consists of changing the language from a muzzleloader season to a primitive firearm season, the Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries (LDWF) has issued a list of approved primitive firearms for the 2008-09 Primitive Firearm Season.

All of the approved primitive weapons meet the criteria set forth by the Louisiana Wildlife and Fisheries Commission as authorized primitive firearms. The criteria is a single shot, breech loading, metallic cartridge rifle with metallic cartridges loaded with either black powder or modern smokeless powder, .38 caliber or larger, of a kind or type manufactured prior to 1900 and replicas, and reproductions or reintroductions of that type rifle having an exposed hammer. The pre-1900 distinction applies only to the firearm and not the ammunition. All approved primitive firearms may be fitted with magnified scopes.

Approved single shot breech loading primitive weapons:

· Sharps rifles or replicas
· Remington Rollingblock rifles or replicas
· Ballard rifles
· Maynard rifles or carbines
· Burnside carbines
· Frank Wesson rifles
· Farrow rifles
· Remington Hepburn rifles
· M1873-1888 Springfield (Trapdoor) rifles and carbines and replicas
· Snider (British) rifles and replicas
· Wesson & Harrington 1871 rifles
· New England Firearms or Harrington & Richardson Handi rifles in caliber larger than .38
· Winchester M1885 Hi Wall or Lo Wall rifles or replicas (Also Browning B78 or 1885) .38 or larger
· Knight KP-1 in caliber .38 or larger
· CVA Optima Elite in caliber .38 or larger
· Traditions Pursuit break-open single shot in .38 caliber or larger

Non-approved single shot breech loading rifles:

· Ruger Number 1 and Number 3 (Reason: No exposed hammer)
· Thompson Center Contender or Encore Carbines (Reason: Designed after 1900)
· Mossberg SSi Single Shot Rifle (Reason: No exposed hammer and designed after 1900)

A primitive firearm license, formerly sold as a muzzleloader license, is required for the taking of deer during the primitive firearm season in addition to the required basic and big game hunting licenses. During the still hunt and with-or-without dogs segments of the (conventional firearms) deer season, the primitive firearm license is not required.
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In my opinion, i think the 45/70 is a real good gun. i bought one this year, H & R 45/70 pulled it out of the box with open sights laid down a buck at 60 yards. For me, it seems to be the perfect gun for the distances im faced with, and i dont have to change guns all season, nothing beats the same gun all season.
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   BangFlop
444 if you want a lighter bullet with better ballistics. Got 5 with mine this year.
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   270REM
The ballistics are a little better on the .444,so my friends and I all got an nef .444.Four deer shot with them,3 bang flops,1 twenty yard trail.
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I shoot a Knight KP1 (stainless/composite) in 45-70 with Hornady ammo. The rifle is extremely accurate and well made. I would definately recommend this rifle if you are in the market. Also, the recall is similar to my muzzleloader.
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   split-toe
GET A MUZZLELOADER--NEITHER CAL. IS GOING TO GIVE A BETTER ADVANTAGE----NOT ALOT BUT MORE PEOPLE LOST DEER WITH THE 45-70 ON MY PLACE THIS YEAR THAN WITH A BOW OR ML.
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can a bazooka be used--its about the only thing left beside a grenade--Man what a bunch of yahoo's--I am sure someone in BR is thinking about opening nite hunting for deer..
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The rifle you need, you didn't mention. I shoot a Tompson 35 Welen. The bullet is almost exactly like a 30:06 and performs like one as well. Another feature is you CAN SHOOT IT TWICE if you need too after reloading. The 444 or 45/70 is going to kick the holycrap out of your shoulder and will force you to flinch, therefore missing your target.
JUST MY HONEST OPINION----PALADIN
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The 35 wheelen and the encore were both illegal in LA for primitive gun season as of right now...
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everybody keeps saying how much the 45/70 and 444 kicks ive shot both and dont think they kick bad at allas for the whelin it is not legal for la primitive weapons season it is or will be legal in miss next year..while it is a heck of a cartridge to me it kicks worse than the 444 or the 45/70 but then again i dont see where they kick that bad...i set the scopes on 2 45/70's and 1 444 in 1 day shooting about 15 rounds from each and they aint that bad.
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   split-toe
Be a man and shoot a muzzleloader, the law for la now is any cal. equal to or bigger than a 38 so yes the 35 is not legal. My proven opinion is to shoot a muzzleloader 45 or 50 with a barnes bullet, if you hit it in the vitals you will find it, kind of like a rifle.
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split toe you keep saying be a man and use a muzzleloader a 45 or 5o cal with a barnes bullet and a magnum charge has as much or more range than a 45/70 or 444 only diff is it is slower to reload i my self do use a muzzleloader loaded with 90 grains of BLACK POWDER and a patched round ball with open sights..if u gonna complain about the 444 and 45/70not being primitave lets get real about it an inline or break action with a sabot and a 209 primer aint quite primitave either
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   split-toe
SOunds like you got the point, all these people basically want to shoot an automatic rifle during muzzleloader season is ludicrous. I already said in this post that a muzzleloader has more range than a 45-70 or 444. You got my point, with 209 primers and advanced bullets why would you want a 45-70 i'll tell you why to sale more licenses so the la gov can put it in their pocket.
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i have a H&R 444. Marlin and love it. its dead on for 200 yards(as far as i have tried) and i havent had a let down with it yet. everything ive shot with it has gone no more than 30 yards if it didnt already fall after the shot. the only draw back is finding the bullets cause i shoot thew leverevolution and i just order them from cabelas for $32 a box.
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yes split i get the point and i do own a 45/70 but as i said i still use my old hawkins to hunt with and my next purchase will be a flintlock.....but i muzzleload for the fun of it not just for the killing of it.......but yes i do get your point......................................
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Don't worry about the kick with a rifle I used a 4570 pistol this season and that didn't even kick too bad
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