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Talked to someone a few days ago that was doing some work in Arkansas,who lives in Monroe,La. He was telling me that deer were all over the place,comeing back from N. Ark. from Columbus to the La. line he counted about 60 deer--Once he hit La. did not see any???According to Ark. they have less than a Million deer while Dave-- know it all --Moreland claims we have a Million--where are they??????
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MILLION PLUS
You have to tell them HUNTING season is over with.
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nut
nut im in a lease in southeastern arkansas and its like that just about every time i go up there....we have a few members from northern arkansas and they all tell me that arkansas is real spotty with the deer population southern ark has a high pop while the northern and especially the north eastern part of state so much...might be why they have diff regs for diff regions of the state..some counties are only allowed 1 buck and 1 doe per hunter.....
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over populated
Hey Nutty we can't support that many deer in our state! They'll over browse the land and we'll end up with over populated, under nurished, inbred and diseased herd. Come on Man you know this!!! 1 deer per 100 acres is the states standard... Look at the WMA's for example of how our state herd should be handled! Jeeze Man, you sound like you just moved to this state!!! How dare you compare our state to AR, thats a totally different enviroment and capacity handling state. Come on dude take it from the state with your eyes and mouth closed like a good lil sportsman should with no opinion!!! (what a joke we have for managment)
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numbers
South Arkansas and North Louisiana are both full of deer. About the same populations.

To answer your question of why he seen 60 deer is because, for one, Columbus Ark is in South Ark, not North Ark and it is about 200 miles over to just North of Monroe and then you have about 30 miles down into LA to get to Monroe. 200+ miles compared to 30 miles - that is why he didn't see any deer in the short drive he had into LA.

Yall should get out more. You would be surprised at how many deer the State has in certain areas.
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Check it out
Nutcracker,why don't you type in "Arkansas Game & Fish" on your browser and check their site. According to AG&F,they have OVER a million deer in the State. Although, I own hunting property in La.,and am a life-long Louisiana resident and do all my hunting there, we have a house and small acreage in Union County,Ar. between Magnolia and El Dorado.During the closed La. hunting season, I spend about half my time in Ar.(my wife works in Ar.,and I sort of like her). We have had the Ar. property about 4&1/2 years. Union County supposedly has the highest deer harvest numbers in the State,and probably the highest road-kill of deer. In talking to some of the local hunters and seeing their deer,we are much better off in La. when it comes to deer weights and antler size from our La.'s piney woods,and that's despite Arkansas' 4 points-on-one-side rule. Maybe this is because of our more liberal limits that keeps the population a little more in check. But,as with any estimate of animal populations,it is mainly and educated guess. If you live in an area with few deer,then you tend to think that is typical of your entire State. In my La. hunting area,there are way too many deer,which leads me to believe the LDW&F when "they" say we are over-populated with deer as a State..,but I don't think per hunting District. That's one reason I have been arguing for deer limits,does and bucks,to be set according to the deer population estimates for each District area,rather than the one-size-fits-all in most areas as it is now. Too, I think some of the Districts need to be split into smaller ones..viz,Area 2..but it probably ain't gonna happen!Now, if you do go into the AG&F site,you will see that it is so much superior to our LDW&F site.If you explore the AG&F site,you will see all the "data" Ar. collects and publishes that La. doesn't. That "data" on deer is due to the long-standing mandatory checking system that Ar. has.(?) Maybe,when we really get all our hunters to buy into the tagging program and comply with that law,we can come up with more accurate "data",too,that may help our Dept. do a better job of "management" if that's what we want. I didn't mean to go on with this,but one other thing..AG&F holds annual public meetings that are well-attended,and where the hunters are divided into different study groups at these meetings. These groups get a consensus of the thinking of each group on seasons and limits,etc.,and pass them along to the AG&F at the meeting. These consensus' are actually used by the AG&F. If you have ever attended a public meeting with our LDW&F,you will see very low turn-out,and leave with the impression that it is a "had to do" meeting and a "it's them against us" attitude with "us" being the hunters, and a "can't wait to get outta here" by the LDW&F personnel. But, whose fault is that? Ours,maybe,by not showing interest by attending and speaking out civilly,and offering meaningful suggestions...and listening,too? Every interested hunter should find the meeting this month in their area and attend.

I won't get into Ar's game law enforcement vs. our litter patrol guys. Sorry I went so long.
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you tell him bro!
I like it when people actually do their homework before just blurting out meaningless information. Great reply sledge. I agree. I have talked with many hunters and the piney woods of LA seems to hold larger deer as far as body size and antler size to that of South Arkansas. Not to take anything away from Arkansas because they have some NICE deer there as well. Just as you stated, the LW&F lacks data and that is the data that comes from us, the hunters. Yet people are so quick to bash them over their "management" polices when in fact, we are probably in the top 15 States for best deer hunting. It seems that there are some on here that live in some areas of Louisiana that have never had good hunting and they like to think that the entire State is like that because they just don't know any better. Then again, some people just like to make excuses for the reasons that they are unsuccessful.

Sounds like the guy he talked to was lost since he went thru North Arkansas from Columbus back over to Monroe!
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DEER !!
My fishin partner told me when I first moved here, that you never see deer at night in Louisiana, cus theres just to many night hunters down here !!the deer have learned to stay away from roads !! don't know if he's right but I don't see any at night what ya all think ?? LOL Capt Bob
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It is really pretty simple. The state can only manage the deer in a very limited way. Deer limits mean nothing if there is one hunter for ever 15 acres. You and your neighbors entirely determine the number of deer on you property. The state could reduce the limit/season to an absurdly low level to prevent people from over harvesting anywhere in the state but that would not be the best thing to do for 90% of the state. So it boils down to you and unfortunately your neighbors.
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What I think is....
Capt Bob, what I think is, that you live in an area that is over hunted and has too many idiots that are poachers. That does not reflect how the rest of the State is. I see deer all the time, day and night. I can't drive down the road 10 miles without almost hitting as many deer. Some areas in the State are over hunted. Some areas in the State do not have what it takes to maintain a good deer herd because of the loss of natural habitat. So over all, your partner was pretty much wrong unless he was talking about certain specific areas in which where you moved to. We are on the verge of over population in parts of the "piney hills" and poaching is at an all time minimum in most of these areas.
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No homework done.
B-bushwhacker, I wasn't trying to tell Nutcracker anything,but was just trying to get him to see what Ar. has to say about their deer numbers...and maybe introduce him to their website for content comparison to our Dept's website. Being a long time La. deer hunter,I love to talk to the Arkansas locals about their deer hunting,and what they think about their deer,seasons,limits,etc. The funny thing is, I have found that alot of those I talk to around here are envious of La.'s deer hunting!

Both States have a few areas with alot of deer,and other areas where the numbers are low. I think that applies to most other States. But,the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence! To those that don't think we have alot of deer,or no real big deer,all they have to do is check the pages of the "Louisiana Conservationist",or "The La. Sportsman" magazine,the game camera photo posts on this and other forums,and they will see that La. grows some real beasts. There are many more out there that will never be seen,much less taken by a hunter,except by hard work,and even then,alot of luck. While I personally don't agree with everything they do,most of the credit for our deer hunting now, has to go to our LDW&F,regardless of how inept some people think they are.To those of us who are old enough,we can remember when deer hunting in La. was confined to just a few Parishes,and even the report of a deer sighting in the non-open Parishes was a cause for celebration. Still,deer "management" to please the majority is an on-going process that everyone has a voice about,and can contribute to by attending a meeting and listening... AND letting that voice be heard. It shouldn't be "them" and "us",but "WE", working together.
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bayou know it all
you must be a clone of dave moreland--I have personally drove to the ark. line 3 hr. and not see a deer in la. and just getting over the line almost hit a deer and a little farther a turkey,i was just crossing over the line to get on the n. side of Upper Quachita National refuge --you must have at least half of moreland's estimate in your area--we have hunted all of the state from one end to the other and have never seen what your talking about--but like most of the time your just against anyone that says anything on here if its not in line with your mentality---

This is about deer numbers,not quality,size,BC,PY or any other chit you want to throw in about this thread.
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sledge
I probably know as much or more about the ark. web. site as any one and its another example of La. lack of not having one as good as they do. There site is one of the better with more info. than you can shake a stick--I am quite familiar with the wma,s like White River,Trusten Holden,Lafayette wma,Felesnetal,Pond Creek to name a few--
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no La. deer
we travel from west monroe to hot springs at least 15 times a yr. and i have been saying this for two yrs. u used to see some in la. but more in ark., but last few times at night or day, nuthing. also used to live on lake darb. 5 yrs. but left 4 tensas and never regretted. however, tensas is only 1/4 the size of union and over 1/2 of it is farm land so there are very limited areas with many deer.
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*UN-HAPPY-ONE*
I know if i were un-happy with this state , i'd leave it ! But i truly believe what we have is very fair and the people all around me get there happiness here in Louisiana ,, and don't have to jump the fence to see deer,, ( *HINT* SET UP CAMERAS ALL AROUND A 40 ACRE AREA OF SHORT PINES - in the bottoms or in front of trails, THEN PICK UP THE CAMERAS 2 WEEKS LATER >>> ONLY DO THIS IF YOUR DESPERATE TO SEE PLENTY OF LOUISIANA DEER ! )
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hunt r
One thing about it,once the fig. come out of the tagging system if done without fudgging the count,we all should know who is right and where all the deer are,hope we hear something soon--When one brings up a subject about anything does not mean he's unhappy just curious if someone is a liar--and the old standard answer of Leave It does not change the situation of the problem if one were to leave--
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deer???
oc fact1 we live on 100 acres old grown-up farm surrounded by hunting club. fact 2 we have land in tensas. fact 3 i have 6 cams. fact 4. i see more deer in 1 day in tensas than all year by my house and this club is noted as one of the better in this area. fact 4. i get appr. 150 pics. per cam. per night. now u can interpret these facts how u like but to me, seeing is beleiving.
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Deer
Gee bushwhacker, I was makin a funny !! lol the wife and I got 4 this yr off public land !! so I still think theres plenty deer , but some of the hunters are not as skilled as others or hunt better land ect theres more reasons to not find deer then theres is to get some lol just my 2 cents Capt Bob
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deer
while i usually see plenty of deer in LA the lease i am in in Arkansas just seems to have more....not really better deer just more...we kill good deer in our la lease usually 3 or 4 good bucks a year the arkansas lease will produse 10 or 12 but we kill about twice as many does in ark also.....we hunt in south east ark around the star city area......now we have some friends that hunt in the delta area of ark and they kill some monstors....9all farm lnd hunting)
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no deer in the bottom 3rd of state
sledge, nutcracker will never listen. You will see. You had some great points and I agree. But he has it in his head that ALL of LA has no deer what so ever. That is all that he rants and raves about, nonstop! That and dog hunter bashing. He will not appreciate nor believe any information that you post.

Cap, I didn't know you was funnin'. Some people are just in bad areas so, I took you at your word. If you took 4 off public land then, maybe cracker can learn a few things from you. LOL!

nutcracker, you said - "I have personally drove to the ark. line 3 hr. and not see a deer in la. and just getting over the line almost hit a deer and a little farther a turkey"

yea nutty. The deer and turkeys can read road signs and they do not dare step over that State Line baracade that runs thru the woods. They start at the State Line and go all the way up to Little Rock but, there are no deer south of the LA/ARK border! Yea, right! I am not a "know it all" but, I know a hellovalot more than you do! I can tell you that much. I am talking about deer numbers as well. North Louisiana from Caddo Parish over to Tensas Parish down to Natchitoches has a great population of deer. The "piney hills" and the "delta" regions in Louisiana are loaded with deer. I'm talking quality and quanity.

Tensas and Union. Actually hunt r, Tensas is about 3/4 the size as Union, not 1/4 as you stated. And I am sitting here almost looking at the Union Parish line and there are deer there. I see them all the time, day and night, when I drive over that way. And for reference, the two Parishes that I hunt in North LA both have more State Records each that come from them than Tensas Parish has. And one of them adjoins Union Parish.

Hey nutty! What about them dogs?!? I heard you was getting some walkers!
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know it all
ya, i am getting a stuffed walker so my kids will know what they used to look like--smart a-s!! My guess for your deer observations would be is that your getting closer to ark.
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more than you
Told you, I far from know it all. Matter of fact, I learn something new everyday because I listen to what people say and do my homework. And it sure isn't from reading anything you write. I'm almost "dumber" for reading what you type.

"My guess for your deer observations would be is that your getting closer to ark"

Now you just said nutty that it is all of Louisiana and it all starts and ends at the Arkansas State line. No deer in LA on this side of the State border. Now you gonna say this? Besides, I hunt from 20 miles to 120 miles south of the ARK border and it all looks the same (actually in some places it starts to get better). My guess would be, from talking to other successful hunters is, the next 120 miles is about the same as well. From there the denisity of deer start to decrease excluding the delta region.

I bet you would mount a dog tho, wouldn't you nuttybutty!?!
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Fees
Another thing Arkansas ha going for it is all fees collected for hunting / fishing licences are mandated for the Arkansas Game & Fish--not to the bottomless pit "general fund" like in Louisiana. This is why Arkansas State owned lands are loaded with great camping areas & the rivers all have very nice AGFC boat landings. They have the money for upkeep and the research needed to monitor their natural resources.
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parks
"This is why Arkansas State owned lands are loaded with great camping areas & the rivers all have very nice AGFC boat landings."

You got that right! They have some really nice parks and stuff up there. Alot of their older stuff that was done by the Corps is still there and maintained nicely. All the rock structures and such. They also have a lot of volunteers that come and work as well. People like the Arkansas Canoe Club and other private clubs do a lot of work. We go up there often. I love the Ozarks!
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My 2 cents!
In my opinion, waiting on the state to fix our deer hunting problem is like the citizens of New Orleans before and after Katrina waiting on the Government it get them out of a bind as the water raises!

Why do you need the state to manage the deer where you hunt? Stop blaming the state and do it yourself! Join a lease and start a managment program so you can have a better deer heard.If you cant afford to do that and you have to hunt State managed property, stop hunting by the " if I let it walk the next guy will kill it rule." If everyone thinks that way, it will always be that way! It has to start some where, and if you dont like the way the state does it then do a little homework and start it one yourself.

It works! I know, I did it in the marsh where you dont have much to work with.Its very hard to do but once you get the ball rolling and everyone sees the progress, it makes everyone happy deer hunters. I see 20 deer a day where I hunt and its because of my actions that it is that way!
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To prove a point.
I live next to a large WMA in north La. On a good day during the bucks only season you can see as many as 40 deer in a day. Mostly doe & small bucks & this is a anybody can hunt public land area. Last night my daughter hit 1 of the 12 deer that crossed the road coming from the WMA. Over run with deer & there is still a few people that claim we have very few deer. I don't know why I'm in a lease when I can limit out on 3 nice bucks @ my front door on public land if I wanted to.
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Hey man
Have you ever been to Tensas Parish? You should take a nice scenic drive sometime in January around midnight through there.
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parishes
Many more parishes other than Tensas that is loaded with deer. Just about the complete top 1/3rd of the state holds alot of deer.
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no deer
T ensas parish is not loaded with deer!!!!!!! only small pockets of deer except behind the levee, which are regularly flooded. outside of tnwr and bkhn wma there are very few patches of woods over 1500 acres, all encircled by farms with box stands. bbw why cant u refrain from talking about stuff u know nuthing about.
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Tensas
I know a guy that owns a good bit of land in tensas. A bad hunt for them is seeing only 15 deer. I aint saying the whole parish is loaded, but they sure are.
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deer density
According to one of Hunt r's replies one day, he has a deer density of 1 deer per 5 acres in the area that he hunts and I do remember him specifically saying it was Tensas Parish.

1 sq mile = 640 acres
640/5 = 128 deer per square mile (which is 3X the average for that area)
Tensas Parish = 602.48 sq miles
602.48 sq miles X 128 = 77,117.44 estimated deer in Tensas Parish by hunt r's numbers. That is about 1/10th of the estimated deer herd of Louisiana by what hunt r stated. So, which is it?
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density
One thing for sure bbw is dense in the head--
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density
definition of insanity: doing things the same way and expecting different results, such as talking to bbw.
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what you said!
Hunt r, that is what you said. That area you hunt has 1 deer per 5 acres. Apparently that is where all the deer have been hiding since nutty buddy can't never see anything. You should invite him up and show him what a deer looks like.
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lies
lying again bbc, never said anything about Me not seeing deer,just made the statement that your mentor Moreland claimed like you that la. had 1 million deer and i said you have to dodge deer in ark. with less than a million deer so one would assume the same in La.---with a million deer-- NOT--You also said that n. la. had alot of deer and i said that's because your getting close to ark.--Just being a Pri-ck like you but i Know it--
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deer
Central and North LA has a lot of deer and it has nothing to do with getting close to Arkansas. It has everything to do with a low human population and more habitat for the deer. You are the one that is always crying because you can't see or kill deer. Not me. And I am not talking about this specific discussion topic. I see hunting in LA being great and wouldn't change it for anything in the world. All you can do is call people names so it, in some way, in your warped little world, helps you to feel more intelligent. You may can fool yourself but, not the rest of us. Keep up the good work.
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Deer populations
There seems to be alot of deer along the I-20 corridor. I can work in the woods for a month and not see deer here. One trip to the lease and there is deer everywhere. My lease is about 15 minutes south of I-20.
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NUTTY
YOUR CORRECT DAVE MORELAND IS WRONG, WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET. I HUNT MS AND ITS THE SAME THING ON THE DRIVE OVER THERE, NO DEER ON THE ROAD IN LA AND ACROSS THE BRIDGE THERE ARE DEER DEAD AND ALIVE ON THE ROAD, AND I TAKE HWY 15 TO THE BRIDGE IN VIDALIA. WHAT EVER OTHER PEOPLE SAY, LA SURELY HAS A COUNTING PROBLEM, OR THE OTHER STATES SAY THEY DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS TO KEEP NONRESIDENTS OUT MAYBE. THE DECLINE IN NUMBERS OF DEER WITHOUT A DOUBT IN LA ARE FROM POOR LAWS AND BASICALLY PROSTITUTING THE DEER SEASON REGULATIONS JUST TO SALE A LICENSE.
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South Louisiana?
What the problem is would be that most of yall that are complaining of "no deer" live in South Louisiana where there are a very low deer population in most of the areas. What you see there does not represent the rest of the state as far as deer herd density. What we have in Central and North Louisiana more than makes up for what yall don't have. Not to mention that Louisiana has about twice the human population of Mississippi and that majority lives in South Louisiana.

And BTW, Mississippi has an estimated deer herd of 1,750,000 deer. Where Dave Moreland claims LA has about 1,000,000 deer. Which is about right. The problem is not the deer. The problem is too many humans bunched up in a small area. "You" are your own worst enemy.
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correct
finally made some sense bbw You are your own worst enemy--
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HOW HARD IS IT TO UNDERSTAND
YEAH, I LIVE IN SOUTH LA BUT I DON'T DEER HUNT THERE MUCH BUT I CAN KILL AND SEE JUST AS MANY BY THE HOUSE AS I CAN IN NORTH LA OR IN THE DELTA AREA, I HUNTED BOTH PLACES FOR A LONG TIME. I HUNT IL, MO, LA, AND MS AND THERE SIMPLY CAN'T BE AS MANY DEER IN LA AS THEY CLAIM ITS IMPOSSIBLE AND IF YOU BELIEVE THAT YOU NEED TO GO SOMEWHERE LIKE MS OR ANY OTHER STATE AND HUNT PUBLIC LAND, YOU WILL SEE THE DIFFERENCE. JUST LOOK LA SPORTSMAN'S REPORTS COMPARED TO OTHER STATES. THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDIN!!
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quit bickering!
Seems like some of you have a hard time gettin your deer here in louisiana! I live in acadia parish where there is supposed to be NO deer to speak of. Well the two biggest bucks i have ever killed was right here by the house. I hunt shurburne and indian bayou and see and kill PLENTY of deer. You guys need to pay more attention to detail when hunting these La. deer. Louisiana deer have a built in fear of humans like no other deer in the U.S. They are very skitish and "educated". Good luck to all and happy hunting!
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splity
some folks cannot see the forest because of the trees--Lets see now its almost a month and i guess the old la. computers cannot process a few deer kill numbers to let us know our real deer herd--I am sure someone is pulling their hair out trying to fig. out where all the deer went--If you know what i mean--
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Nutty
Whats up brother man,I will venture to say that whatever the score comes up to be,the numbers needed would probably be around BBW's back yard!! Now you have to remember that La. has been killing around 250,000 deer each year,200 around La. and 50,000 behind BBW's yard!!!!HeHEHEHEHE
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Where are you hunting?
Hunt both states and Bushwhacker is right. Bienville and Claiborne parishes are overrun with deer and bigger deer than I kill on our family land in north Arkansas. Plus I think Arkansas rules are pretty stingy. My family up there wishes they could kill more deer. I don't know what to tell you but I don't hunt on the roads.
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