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I have a lot of respect for other fisherman, but found myself very challenged this morning in Turners Bay. I, my son, and his friend arrived just after sun up to find the birds working in Turners Bay. As we approached a group of birds, another boat came in to fish. No big deal, fished birds with many boats around without any incident. As I hooked my first trout of the morning, the guys in the other boat (using their trolling motor) almost ran across my line while fighting the fish in. When I commented “Come on buddy” he replied “you have a trolling motor, use it”. With that being said, we let them do their thing and still managed to bring in a few more trout and started looking for more birds without boats on them.
It did not take long to spot more birds with no boat around. I used my trolling motor to quietly move into position to fish them and yet again, another boat moves in on us. This time it was a guide (Boat registered in Texas) with 3 sports, and the guide had the nerve to tell me “Don’t crowd me, I am trying to make a living". Now keep in mind we had already boated a few trout before this guide pulls up, yet he has the nerve to accuse me of crowding him. Good fishing etiquette is to allow twice the casting distance between boats. I could have easily placed my leadhead into his boat when he moved in on us.
This is the first post I have ever placed in here. Guess I will start bringing my camera along to take pictures of these "fishermen". In the future I plan to post the pics of these offenders and post them on here with what they did. You guys think we could start a new region called "Calcasieu Lake Wall Of Shame"?
On a positive note, yesterday I was by myself and limited out on trout by 8:20am, of which 4 were 3# or better. Today, even with the rude guys trying to rule the lake, the 3 of us caught 30 trout and one flounder.
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Once Again
1 reason LA should charge more for out of state fishing license.
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Mako1
We need to start taking pictures of the boat with the numbers and the face of the operator and post them on every fishing site you know of along with a message of what happened. I dont think they want to see their picture on these sites especally the guides
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hate it
Cant believe he pulls up on you and says dont crowd me. Simply unbelievable I gues that wasnt quite as bad as the guy that just about runs over your line. I have to say if someone ran over my line I would loose it. I pray it never happens. But its sad really. I really think people dont realize what they are doing I mean did he really see you fighting a fish??? I couldnt imagine being in that situation.

I was fishing grand isle with some friends they arrived in their boats at a reef before me. Like you said they were 2 casting distances or more away from a boat there already who yells out dont get behind me. Well we fished this reef all 3 of us for the previous 2 nights and slaughtered them there and noone was "behind" him they were next to him or latteral to him from the reef but he wasnt close enough to the reef so you had to back up a half boat length to reach the reef. Still 2 casts away from him though. He starts firing a paint gun in the water. Well I get there after it happened my friends threaten to call coast guard and he leaves. But he thought you didnt have the right to anchor 2 casts away from him in line with him but be "behind" his boat. Im still not sure what that meant but when your that far away from someone and your not on the reef it dont matter where you get you wont affect their fishing. SO we slaughtered them again 3 days in a row evening time. But people just have their own ideas really
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worse
is it just me or is this problem getting worse! it is even starting to happen to me on toledo bend every trip! it always seems to be a boat with TX just in front the numbers being the jerk.
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Courtesy?
Courtesy apparently went out the window years ago, i am sorry u just experienced it especially with ur kid. U have better self control than most, i would like 2 shoot a hole in peoples boat like that. However, that would be irrational and "crazy"!
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Jerkwads
I've had similiar situations fishin out of Dularge. To much 2 type. think I'll start bringing torpedoes in my boat Ha/Ha. 2-3 casting lengths gives good breathing room. Or even communicating with the capt'n of the other boat your approaching. anyway good luck!
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Trying to be the better Man
First, I would like to say my hats off to the majority of the guides. When I was younger, I had considered a career as a guide but decided I would ruin my passion for fishing by turning it into a job.
The majority of the offenders have been individuals. I only fish weekdays, not weekends due to the number of boats on the lake. I have fished Big Lake for years and have to agree it is getting worse. I could have easily "Tuned them up" by running circles in the area with the outboard screaming, cussing, and ruined it for them too, but trying to set the good example of being a better man for my 20 year old son and his friend. It’s sad that both boats did what they did. I like taking all my kids fishing, gives them something constructive to do. The actions displayed today counter acts what I am trying to encourage with my kids.
On the other hand, if I was a sport in that boat, I would have requested the guide bring me back to the landing and report him to the owner of the guide service and demand a full refund.
As for the guy almost running over my line, he knew I was there. He intentionally cut in front of me (not more than 15 feet) to cut us off from the birds.
Just about everyone has a digital camera these days. Rather than having a confrontation and stooping to their level, just take the photo and post it with comments on what happened, facts only. Maybe even take some video footage (most digital cameras have this feature) and post to YouTube.com, and then put a post on here with a link to the video. There are many different ways to fight back without confrontation. Let me know your ideas.
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Lots of Idiots
I agree you should take some good high quality photos of these clowns and post them for everyone to see---especially the guides. I have a lot of respect for quides but they are not entitled to anything the average fisherman isn't. If they are within casting distance-- show them and put the leadhead in the boat with them. I don't saltwater fish very much but I did have a guide boat crowd me about 5 years ago on the beach in Johnson Bayou. I was wade fishing with my wife and her 14 yr old cousin and the guide boat got between us and where we were casting and we were standing in thigh deep water. After we put 4 or 5 casts in the boat with the sports the guide moved out of the way. But there was no reason to cut off people fishing from the bank--that's just a total lack of class. I'm sure that 3/4 oz lead head will chip the clear coat on their boats and that may cause some extra spacing between them and other boats.
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Know the feeling!...
We went out Wednesday, trying to enjoy our day off of crawfishing and had the same. Our problem was actually several boats of Asians. The first one, I washed off...The second one that ran over the top of us, I put my hands up as wondering if they saw us...10 feet away!!!... The 3rd one, I lost it! I almost got my half ounce jig on his deck. He screamed something I don't understand nor care what it was. So, when we were done there, the third group was still there and we were almost able to swamp their boat! I checked up right next to them just in time to throw that wake that pisses all of us off! LOL

The best part of this is, we were able to see what they were doing since they all seem to tie off 30 yds upstream. These idiots kept everything they caught! EVERYTHING!!!! They even managed to get some needlefish in a cast net that went straight to a bucket...Croakers, hardheads, You name it the genious a-holes kept it!

All things considered though, we had a lot more considerate SPORTSMEN than we did the other. Thanks to all the considerate around Chalmette and Seabrook!
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Welcome aboard!
Well, what can I say......It is getting worse every year, and I see no end in sight.

I am fortunate to fish all over the state from Bayou Dularge this time of year. to Vermillion Bay in the fall, to Big Lake in the spring. I love fishing, but hate what I have read here tonight, I call it water rage, like road rage, except on the water. I get it almost every time I go out now when boats are around me. Unfortunately, I see the guides of Big Lake are no better than the rude folks of Vermillion Bay.

I had a guide do something similiar to me once in Big Lake. After I finished with him, nobody caught fish on those birds, he had about 12" of water in his boat, and his sports were cursing up a storm.

Gloves are off - "lets get it on"!
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no way
All i got to say is that you have a lot more patience than I do. I may have got my azz whipped but i would have been in that boat with that idiot. That is the only way to stop them, get in their boat or follow them back to the launch, I am a very easy person to get along with but stuff like that is unacceptable, especially by Guides, who are suppose to hold a more ethical code of conduct. You want to really mess with these jerks, spend a extra five bucks and bring a box of ritz crackers and loaf of bread, just ride and spread it, the birds will be diving everywhere!!! And let them see you while you are doing it, they will get furious.. I hope i never run into that situation, because i know that i will lose my cool and someone is going to get wore out, me or him.
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Sad
It is sad is what it is, very sad. We all hate, and yet we've all put up with it before. It's rediculous to even have to deal with. But you know what the saddest part about the whole thing is. Is that the idiots that do it, actually think it's ok, and that they have the right to do it, and they're probably reading this post right now, and are wondering why we are complaining about them. Or that we have no right to complain about them. But none of them have the nerve to peply to this post tho.
Fun family fishing, you're a better man that me, and for that I applaud you, because I woulda probably got into some trouble.
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its the states fault
I blame it on the state.(HA) You gotta have a license, registration, life jackets, horn, throwable flotation device, etc, etc, etc. However, everything they require only takes money. Down at your local boat store they do not screen for idiots. If you got some money they will sell you a boat. There is no performance test or anything. They will sell any idiot a boat.
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Taking the Law in your hands.
Last thing you want to do is Takin the Law in your hands. Best just to leave the person (Idiot) alone cause usually he will meet another like himself and both will go to jail someday. I meet crazy people everyday and usually these people are nuts. lol
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They need a special one
Cost is not cheap.
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keep in mind
Guys I commented one of the first on this post earlier and hate this. I also wanted to say as it looks like it has been mentioned that the 2 casting distance rule does not apply in all saltwater situations. I am saying this because on the flip side of this there are also people out there that think you cant do anything near them or far enough away from them either. They think they own the water. SO the 2 casting distance rule can also cause some here to think they own some areas. I am speaking of areas that dont have a 2 cast distance available. Also if you have observed the tarpon run in Boca Grand they are on top of each other. Seabrook may be an example of this boats get a little closer there cause its a smaller area and you fish down not really out. I would say working birds is an example of where being under 2 cast distance isnt a tragedy because you fish to the birds and as long as all boats are outside the perimeter it doesnt matter if the rub rails are rubbin really because the fish are under the birds. Then some reefs I have fished 5 6 boats all under 2 casts right in line on a large reef no problems the reef was out behind the line and everyone was able to cast and catch kind of like surf fishing a long line of fisherman can be well under 2 casts with no harm done.
So I am just trying to keep some of the impresionable people from thinking its always 2 casts no matter what and in some situations you wont catch a fish if you try to apply that rule and noone owns a spot their first or not. I dont have a problem like family man said with the guide showing up after him and fishing the birds it was cutting him off and or telling him to watch out that was the problem.
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funfamilyfishin
thats why we always carry bottle rockets,
always pisses em off
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lets face it!!
some people are complete IDIOTS!!!!
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if you post it, they WILL come!
the only real way to avoid this stuff is to try and find the bite in an area out of the way before it hits the press(internet). i find myself spending a lot of time looking for an out of the way spot to avoid this.. if you go to a high profile area, it's going to happen.. you can try to duke it out, but you will be the one to end up in a sling because you can bet you butt that most of the people who would do this are chumps that would run to lawyer. i've confronted a person one time at the launch after an encounter and the first thing he started spouting off was that he was going to call the police.. no win situation.. does anyone see the parallel of how when internet posting started getting big and this started becoming a real problem??

now, the guy that posted about the person shooting paintballs at the boat; i don't know who was originally right or wrong in that situation, but if you point something that shoots at me while i'm in my boat, you will receive the same in response, and i don't own a PAINT gun. that's just plain stupid to point any gun at someone and not understand that someone is going to return fire.
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wow
MAN THAT ABOUT RIGHT BACK IN THE DAY THE OLDTIMERS WOULDNT PUT UP WITH THAT S##T BEST THINT TO DO IS KILLEM WITH KINDNESS THAT ALWAYS WORKS
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"Justifications' Final Exam "
Geronimo sez: problem is tdy is too much paper work ???...but,'ya gott'a remember the first written report always sets the direction...if he don't run out of ink ???...cheers

p/s...only a few will understand
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admiral
the hemingway of las.. just don't go shoping at Abercrombie & Fitch.
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yeah
I missed the whole thing but my buds told me when I got there it had happened. Now one of em owns a Nurse anesthesis group and has alot to loose so he didnt go after the guy. The other is an insurance agent on the west bank. SO they werent gonna risk a bad situation and just told himthey were calling the coast guard and he left immediately so I guess he was planning on leaving when he did that. When I pulled up he was pulling out. Also he wasnt shooting to try and hit them either he was shooting it the water. But if you could have seen the set up and the way we were situated there was NO WAY it was interfering with him or his fishing. But he thought it was???? Thats the thing its subjective. There will always bea point where one thinks its ok what they are doing and the other doesnt.

I watched Tarpon of Boca this morning and they were talking about and showing how during the tarpon run boats will actually bump each other and how they laugh about it when they are fighting a tarpon you gotta chase em and that brings you in between all the other boats out fishing, but its OK there they all understand. They even showed boats bumping while fighting fish and helping each other out.
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OMG
To start off i actually witnessed what Fun is complaining about and that guy is an idoit. Fun drove his motor up to the birds this other boat was already fishing and cut that boat off,this guy who suppposededly ran over his line was trolling along side the birds catching fish which were moving so that boat was staying with them then Fun got right in his way, so yeah i would have done the same thing and ran over his line. So dont let this guy convince u that these other boats were cutting him off he was just very unexperienced and didnt know anybetter. Most of the time these people complain about other boats they dont realize they were in the wrong. Sry u might not know much about saltwater fishing but dont go ruin somebody eles trip because of it. Number 1 rule...1 boat only on a group of birds FIND YOUR OWN
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OK
Well whether fun was right or not the guy has no right to run over his line when reeling in a fish.. There is no number 1 rule of 1 boat per group of birds. Sorry but you would be an example of someone who thinks you own the water if you think thats a universal rule. Understandably a very small group of birds like 6 or so can only handle one boat. I agree with you in that situation. I wouldnt approach a boat working a small group of birds. But there are sometimes large groups of birds and to think only one boat can fish it would be ludicrous. I have got to be honest with you I have not approached a group that someone else was fishing on Big Lake so dont think I am one who does this all the time except one time it was very large group but plenty have trolled up to a group I was working and its not a problem. One of the main reasons I dont is because I drift fish through them and dont troll, this would crete problems for small groups being fished by others when I am not contri=olling my drift. But still there is no 1 boat per bird group rule. I would concede a 1 boat per small group of birds. Like less then a dozen but a group of a couple dozen working a large area certainly can handle more boats.
Like I said the guys in Fla have it down. The tarpon are in an area and thats it so all the boats are there and they roll with it. Friendly and helpful even when bouncing off eachother. Thats not necessary here for trout the bouncing off eachother but if we can be curteous and not run over lines when a fish is on and try to stay on your side of the birds and not cutoff someone elses angle to the birds it can work. Well the trout are under the birds and sometimes not anywhere else. La fisherman should be gracious enough to allow a couple 3 boats work them with eachother.
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birds
you need to go to the grocery store and buy some popcorn, get a bag and pop it the old fashion way in big pot. then take the popcorn with you fishing, when you spot birds working, start dumping popcorn, then head for the birds and fish it like normal. most of the idiot fishermen will head for the birds working the popcorn.
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Fish2424, I think you have got your wires crossed on this one
Let’s keep the facts straight. As I stated in the original post, both boats (mine and the other) approached the birds at the same time. Now a little more in depth: Both boats had shut down their outboards away from the bird action and used trolling motors to move in closer. Also, the other boat had not caught any fish and was not following along with the birds. I had pulled the first fish from this group of birds. He ran his trolling motor and was trying to cut between my boat and the birds (not more than 15 feet from me) while I was fighting a fish in (no way he did not know I was there, therefore I conceder this an intentional act).
I for one have been fishing the Calcasieu estuary for 30 years and know about fish movement, birds working, how to approach birds which are working/picking dependent on tidal movement and wind direction, and so on… I also make it a point to pass groups of birds that already have boats on them since everyone should know the more boats, the more spooked the fish get regardless of the birds. In ideal situations you may get away with the one boat per group of birds, but there are no ideal situations on Big Lake. Prime example was Friday morning. I was the first boat on the first group of birds (turned into a rather large group) to start working in Turner’s Bay (in the right place at the right time). I was lucky enough to get 4 fish in the boat before all the other boats started to converge on the birds. In total, I caught 9 (one better than 5#) from that group of birds and felt very fortunate to have done that well. When the bite quit, I looked around and there must have been 10-12 boats within casting distance of me. No one tried to cut me off from the fish. Again, I feel very fortunate to have caught 9 and hope that some of the other boats managed to pull a few fish. Although I was first on the birds, I don’t feel I owned the group (that is the reality of it). I only wish that others could learn not to crowd the fish/birds so the bite can continue. Many times I have gotten into a good group of birds, finished my limit, and then got out of the way so someone else could have some fun.
On another note, I fish with my barb mashed. If I catch a large sow and can release her without harm, back in the water she goes. Unfortunately the sow I caught Friday morning had inhaled the bait and was hooked deep. Even with an 8" hook grab I was not able to retrieve the hook without harming her. I have been able to release the majority of fish I have caught over 5#’s. Remember, these large sows are the ones who keep our lake populated.
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HERD ABOUT THE TROUBLE
I was fishing the south east end of the lake that day and herd about this situation the next day Fri. at the funeral home(Work). This guide must have really pissed some boaters off becuse my work partner herd some very bad explicid words from a fellow fisherman. I think what the Guide did was unethical, he was short on fish and sice the sports had money invested in this guide service the guide did what ever he could to keep the sports happy and to make sure they have return business in the future. I know we all dont own the lake, but we should all get along together before one of you end up at my place of employment. I think i would still be mad about this but in time it will pass.
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Guide boat
Could you be specific as to what kind of boat it was? Such as color and make. Just want to know. There are not many TX guides on this lake. I know of only 3 boats on the Hackberry side that have TX numbers.

LOJ
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PILGRIM
FUN U R FULL OF IT!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU CAME IN ON THAT GUY HE HAD BEEN FISHING THAT SET OF BIRDS LONG BEFORE YOU GOT THERE
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Never fails
Regardless of trying to make a situation better by posting it here so maybe some people can learn from others experiences, someone always "THINKS" they know better (like brian1971 and Fish2424). I'm sorry, but at this time I will have to call your bluff on your comments. I would imagine you witnessed someone else’s unfortunate experience, not mine. Or maybe you have me mistaken for the guy in the other boat since you think I am the offender. Please, before commenting get all your facts straight. Don't detract from the intended purpose here, which is to educate the guys on fishing etiquette who "Just don't know" and those who "Just don't care".
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splish/splash ???
...sometimes them birds gott's 'dem Bendix or Norden bomb sights ???...had one poo in my fish'n box once ???...ugh ???
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I have an idea
What about getting the launches to agree not to let certain fisherman/guides launch at their marinas if 3 or more pictures show them being unfriendly fisherman. If they can't launch they their screwed. (i know,A good idea in theory)
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well
When I'm planning a weekend trip, I start posting reports on the web about a different area than where I plan to fish. I start a thread, and post reports under several different names and encourage others to fish there. Then, when the weekend comes, the "Frank Davis Armada" will be fishing where I'm not!!
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Makin Babies
Its not the sows that do the majority of reproducing. A sow trout makes more baby trout than a 2 or 3 pound trout, but there are a heck of a lot more 2 and 3 pounders than sow trout. Its the smaller fish that keep the population going.
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PILGRIM
NO SIR IT WAS YOU!!!! YELLOW KENNER 21FT TURNERS YOUR GUILT IS IN YOUR DETAILS THERE IS ALWAYS SOMEONE WATCHING
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Still not convinced
I do recall seeing this yellow 21' Kenner. Was that you?
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(cheers)

" Who knows,only the Shadow knows "
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