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zeiss or leopold?

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what scope is better? i like the leopolds, but heard they suck for long range shooting. i also have heard that the zeiss has a bullet drop comepsator on it. which one is better i know the zeiss costs more but i don't mind spending money on a quality scope, but not wanting buy an expensive swarvoski, and i don't want a nikon. thanks.
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I'm a leupold man, but if you're willing to spend the extra cash, get a zeiss. A general rule of thumb with scopes is spend as much as you are willing to spend, because as far as scopes go, you pretty much get what you pay for.
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   JIMMY W
The last one I purchased was a Burris,I really like it!I also have some Nikons,and Leupolds and the Burris seems to be just as good!
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would you prefer top of the line or bottom of the line?
you can get the top of the line leupold for the same price as the bottom of the line zeiss. personally i prefer the top. that way you are not getting a sub par product as an attempt to compete in a lesser market.
just my .02
btw i love my vxII 4-12x50
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   The Pope
If you don't mind spending the money for quality optics, then allow me to suggest a Swarovski. Much better than both of the previous two mentioned. I had a Leupold Vari X2 for a while on one of my best rifles, but now it simply sits on a .22 mag. Nothing against it, but if you want the very BEST in optics, then the Swarovski is top notch hands down. My brother bought the Zeiss Victory Diavari this past hunting season, and was not that impressed with it compared to his previous Nikon (for the price difference I mean). Just my two cents.
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   wschamp98
Has anyone used this scope and what is the report on it?
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   SHORT-MAG
Fastdog,
I have a variX 3 50mm that I really like, BUT- I was in the market for a new scope so I decided to compare. I went to the local shop where I live. He carries Zeis, Leoupold, Swarovski, Nikon and Meopta. It was dusk dark, just before he closed. He let me take 1 of each scope outside. All were either 2.5 or 3 by 12/14 by 50mm. I looked through them all and HANDS DOWN, NO QUESTION, the Swarovski was the clearest and brightest of them all. It has this built in 6x zoom and when you crank it up to the highest power in low light conditions the image barely got darker like it did in the other scopes. Another thing that sold me on it was the field of view- 63 feet at 2.5 power. It takes a little getting used to but I can even see my barrel in the scope when I look through it! The model is a Swarovski Z6 in 2.5 - 12 X 50mm. We hunters spend all this $$$ on camps, 4 wheelers, hunting club dues, food plots, etc. for the goal of killing deer and for most I assume they want a trophy. So why would you skimp on the one thing that could make the difference on weather you can see/shoot that trophy? I spent $1600 on that scope (that was a deal too) and I aint sorry I did. The only thing I could see myself being sorry for is to spend money on all that other stuff, then buy a cheap scope, and miss out on a trophy opportunity at dark 30 because of that. Then all that other money spent was for nuthin'. Good luck, let us know what you decide to buy! BTW JB is right about the meopta, the one I looked at with these other scopes was just as clear as the leuopold and Zeiss. If the Swarovski is out of your price range the Meopta may be 4 you.
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   JB
Do yourself a favor, go to a gun shop right at dark and look through the scopes yourself. I did that and compared a Nikon Monarch 3-10x50, Zeiss Conquest 3-10x50 and a Meopta 3-10x56. Make sure it is right at last light/dusk as this is when good scopes seperate themselves from bad scopes. The Zeiss and Meopta will make an outlaw of you. I could see WAY past legal shooting hours with those two. I did not compare a Swarovski as there is no way I could afford one. If I could though, that would be the one for me.
You owe it to yourself to look at a Meopta.
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   BangFlop
Can't go wrong with a Leupold.
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nikon
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   FishinME
Dont trust a bullet compensator unless you have shot it at various yardages and know how it will perform. Not all rounds have the same trajectory and no one curve will fit all trajectories.
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   sako11
I have nikon,zeiss,kahles,and swarovski.The 30mm tube swarovski kicks a??.I looked through the meopta and it was awesome also but heavy.For the money the zeiss conquest is hard to beat.Just my 2 cents and and opinion.
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   Copehagen
If the choice is simply these two, ZEISS, without question its not even close. The Zeiss glass is simply that much better.
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I have a Zeiss with the bullet drop reticle and love it. Very clear for late afternoon hunting. The reticle works very well, there's a program on the Zeiss website that you can use. You enter the kind of ammo you use and it tells you what power to set your scope on for the correct holdover. I've tried it at different ranges and it works very well.
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I own a Zeiss and love it, however, if money is not an issue I would go with this:

http://www.nightforceoptics.com/

Most people have never heard of these, most of them will run you $1,500-$2,000. I'd take one of these over any optic out there. Read about em' and you'll see why.
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i have lepolds and have shot with a zise both are nice..ive also shot long ranges with my lepold so thats up to you..depending on the money issue i have two buris and i love em
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If its simply between leupold and zeiss the answer is zeiss easily! Take a look at big name camera manufactures like hasselblad and canon and see what they use. Ask almost any photographer where clean crisp clear glass is a must what lens they think is the best and its almost always gunna be zeiss. Leupold is nice but it doesnt hold a chance to zeiss.
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Something that has gone unsaid, if you can't afford it don't look through it. You'll get spoiled. I screwed up and looked through a swarvoski once and I'm on a leopold budget. Everything I own looks like crap to me now.
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   Simoneaud
go read the optics forums on these 2 web sites

www.24hourcampfire.com

www.opticstalk.com

READ READ READ and you will learn all you need to know about scopes, FOV, eye relief, exit pupil, eye box, quality glass, multi coated vs Fully multi coated. lots to learn before you buy.

learn about exit pupil, for old hunters 50MM objectives are not needed.

also, if you like to read, get "optics for the hunter - by john Barness" great learning book and a good read
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   Big-Head
I was a Leopold man for 20 plus years ..... until one evening late I was yote hunting with a friend which has a Burris ....... with both our scopes set on 9 power I could clearly read a gate sign and with my leopold I couldn't make out the letters because of the low light ...... and yes we both had the same mm lens ..........
Since then I have nothing but Burris ........
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Kahles is also a great scope that doesn't get a lot of recognition
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   Simoneaud
after all the reading and learning I did, and keeping my budget in mind, I upgraded scopes on all my good rifles.

I have:
2 -Nikon Monarchs
1- Nikon team primos (Monarch relabeled)
2 - Sightron SII ( good scopes for the money )
3 - Bushnell Elite 4200 ( best bang for the buck )

I would like a Zeiss conquest, also I have shifted away from 30mm tubes and 50mm objectives.
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I know everybody has their favorites, but since you only wanted opinions on ZEISS or LEUPOLD, I still have to go with Zeiss. They are phenomenal in low light conditions.
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   killadaux
I have a Meopta Meostar 3X10X50 with the German #4 reticle. Sells for about $600 Great in low light conditions. I also have an IOR Valdada 6X24X56 tactical scope with an illuninated reticle. I believe the IOR is comparable to Night Force.
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i just spent the 850.00 on the meostar 3x12x 56 love it had a leupold on my 7mm for allmost 20yrs before it went south . 2 weeks before deer season opened this year cost me 18.00 to send it back to leupold they kept it 2 weeks and did all the repairs that was needed to make it right. just got to go buy a weapon to put it on now . spend good money and get what you pay for.
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   LAhuntr
def a meopta. great scope. ive owned zeiss, leopold and meopta is way better (esp for the $). just my opinion.
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