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TENSAS REFUGE Ruined- Camp for sale

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Among the many changes at Tensas Refuge this season, I will only list a few. I don't want to feed the fire.

1) NO trail cameras- period

2) No possession OR use of limb saws- that means your climber is all but useless.

3) Primitive season shortened to 2 days, and 45/70 allowed.

I am most pissed about #1 & 2 above. I just bought another camera yesterday, and now I have to take it back tomorrow. Good thing I did not bust the shrink wrap.

I will likely put the camp up for sale. It is NOT in the Big Lake community, but outside and very secluded. 1st class too. 8x20 with 8x8 bathroom. Full shower, toilet, vanity, insulated, sheetrocked, a/c, Crowville water, & lots more but not supposed to conduct business here so I can't list price. The refuge is downhill and sinking furthur in quality. What the hell is wrong with cameras ?
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Head up to hunt Missouri, Iowa, Illinois, etc...Louisiana and Mississippi just do not get the concept of quality PUBLIC hunting...its not all about huge bucks, quantity and seeing deer is important...the public areas are on a real decline due to too much pressure and silly regulations....a camera most certainly promotes a quality hunt effort, and that is what they should be trying to promote..my 2 cents...
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   BangFlop
What's the rationale for banning game cameras? I can understand the limb lopper regulation, but no cameras?
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   huntert
Make sure you read the pamplet very closely. The use of the 45/70 is NOT allowed in the reforestation areas, only in the big woods. The use of game cameras in not a problem to me as well as not having a limb saw. This may be the reason that I use more lcok on stands that climbers. I was in Tensas 2 weeks ago and saw quite a few deer and a black bear. If you have not been up there lately, almost everything around the refuge is planted with corn or soy beans. This year, they should have some healthy deer.
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I find that stuff to be minor as far as the big picture...just my opinion... i only started using a trail camera a couple years ago and have never used it on the public land i hunt (Jean Lafitte National Park, Three Rivers WMA, Pomme de Terre WMA, Lake Ophelia WMA, Spring Bayou WMA)..with that i still managed to kill deer on public land...i haven't cut any limbs on public land (although it would be nice at times)my buddies and I have started using ground blinds and/or strap on steps and hanging stands in a good bit of situations just because of this.. sometimes finding a tree to climb without having to trim it is near impossible but that won't stop us from hunting a place ... I'm not on the 45/70 bandwagon yet...will it increase my chances? to an extent, yes... but i am full tilt one way or the other... i love to bow hunt and in most cases i will carry a bow even if i can have a rifle in my hands... but don't get me wrong, momma ain't raised a fool.. i will load my rifle at times and put something down... but i would rather hear a "smack" from an arrow.. my point is.. i think you may be getting carried away with the new rules.. i'm sure you have a nice camp that most would be more than happy to have (me included) it's not the end of the world... go find a trail and stick a deer
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   rdj
Sounds like some of the ridiculous rules from Lake Ophelia is being passed down to Tensas... No one can give me a reasonable explination for the camera rule. One guy said "well we look at it like you are leaving trash on the refuge" B.S.! Who in their right mind is going to put out a camera and not go back to get it? Give me a break... Besides, what's the difference cause you can leave a stand out in the woods but not a camera...???
I truly believe that the reason the rule was made at Ophelia is because they didn't want you to catch the surronding land owners or even them themselves doing something they are not supposed to be doing. I will continue to believe that till someone can give me a reasonable answer.
It seems like they just don't want us to take a deer... Just wait soon you won't be able to use deer decoys are hunt around any cut or uncut crop fields...or is that already the case at Tensas, cause it is at Ophelia.
Now to top it off...crossbows will be allowed!!!
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Its funny--but to promote growth with trees you need to cut the lower limbs!!!!!another liberal rule to follow--years back they closed 3 wheeler trails in Jan. according to the manager at that time was to stop haressing the ducks--they had a 3 wheeler trail following the tensas river so i asked him which was more haressement the 3-wheeler trail or having to boat down the river to deer hunt--Normal stupid liberal chit--nobody in govt. has a clue and they want them to take over health care--can you imagine--
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i could understand all the wining if they said you couldn't use anything but a rock or a stick to kill an animal... this isn't anything... maybe a fun conversation but nothing to cry over... you don't need a camera to kill a deer... if you do, you have a lot to learn
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Marsh dude, I know all in all the new stuff is small potatos. Thanks for the pep. But the cameras were a new hobby of mine. I let alot of deer go there just because once I get my sausage for the year, I really don't want any more except that once in a lifetime buck. So I was just getting into it just as a hobby. Now that is kaput.

Having 10 years experience as an Agent, I firmly believe the camera ban is to prevent Agents from getting their pic taken while snooping for bait, which leads me to some more of the New rules that are listed:

There are a few new words that appear in the "NO BAIT" paragraph. Two of them are mineral, & salt. ( Cocaine & C'Mere liquid).

NO Male decoys, turkey or deer.

Supposed to be some new check in thing . Not sure about that.
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i know they can be extremely helpful with seeing how big the deer are in that particular spot... i've caught pictures of deer on some private land in Lafitte that we have never seen... really didn't have a clue they were there... so i see your point on that.. and in all i don't know why they would ban cameras... i wouldn't be mad if they did.. but dont fully understand the reasoning behind the new rule...
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I thought carrying a saw has been prohibited for a while on WMA's. Someone posted last year saying they got a ticket just for having a limb saw in their pack because they forgot to take it out. With all the post regarding equipment theft on this site, would you honestly want to put a trail camera out on public land. Not saying you haven't got the right to decide for yourself to take that risk, but you may be better off not having some low life piece of trash stealing your equipment. I wouldn't give up hunting there because of these issues, good luck either way.
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You can count on one thing: Even though I will put in for the 2nd lotto, I will be prepared day 1 of prim weapon season, with my Muzzleloader. I have a very good idea where I will be too.
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   huklbry
I know for sure the limb saws were not allowed last year. And if you can't find a tree to climb in those woods, you must be blind. Cameras...don't use them, don't care to...I would rather be in the woods scouting than retrieving a camera. I can cover more area that way.

Personally, I think he was just using this as an ad for his camp.
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hopefully i get picked too for the second hunt,ill be there for primative also gl 2 ya
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Maybe its just to promote more natural hunting......the way it was meant to be?? I came face to face with the biggest buck of my life last year only to have him bust me before drawing my bow back. I hunt with no camera, no cutting saw, and I scout hard and walk as faw as I have to to find the deer. I like the idea of setting up camera's to see what's out there, but I've been more successful just scouting and hunting OLD SCHOOL!!!
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" maybe it's just to promote more natural hunting---OLD SCHOOL "

That's funny. Crossbows and 45/70's. Yeah that;s pretty natural. ( head shaking left-to-right)
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   Copehagen
I'll tell you why it has nothing to do with old school hunting you DOLT. It has to do with control, plain and simple.

There is no such thing as public land, that land either belongs to the state of Louisiana or to the Federal Government of the United States of America. Neither of which are for the public. Both of which if your reading this, your a subject of, please don't confuse yourself with a free citinzen of a republic because that is not what we have now, nor have we had for quite some time.

Ignorance has run amuck.
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How can you complain about the regulations when its practically free for you to hunt? I mean go get a lease man a quit whining like you should run the refuge or something. You should be happy that there are even places to hunt without getting in a lease.
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   Copehagen
Yes, what Duckhunter says. You should be happy the State even allows you hunt on "PUBLIC LAND". Classic you Sir, just unknowingly illustrated my point with such utter clarity that is freightening. Your comments and method of thinking concerning this issue is typical of the subject mind set. To top it off I bet 10 to 1 your a self proclaimed conservative republican who can't stand liberals, not realizing your mind sind and supposed core beliefs are headed in oppposite directions.

Again I say ignorance has run amuck.
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I did the lease thing over 15 years. I wanted to actually hunt deer instead of shooting woods goats from box stands. So I hunt the refuge and hunt the deer on their own turf. I have 100% right to speak of what goes into rules and regs. I pay alot of Federal taxes. If I wanted to, I could buy outright almost any lease yall belong to, and put yall on the street packing. But I choose not to. So no, a citizen does not have to curl his tail between his legs and be thankful to have public land. He/she has every right to voice input at the refuge meetings. Don't ever make the mistake in assuming that all persons who hunt the NWR is there because they are bottom feeders. I own a company and can easily purchase mega land out from under most of you woods goat shooters. Now, put that in your pipe and smoke it.
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Maybe I'm just too young to understand how it used to be, but why do so many hunters whine about everything. Yes, I think public land hunting could be better, but at least its still there to hunt. Most of us cannot afford a lease or private land, so we depend on public hunting. I thank the hunting in this state would be just great if hunters would take more responsibility to help manange the resources we have. I don't know what the future holds, but we shouldn't take things for granted. All this whining gets us nowhere.
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   hip boots
would you like some cheese with that whine.

I can only shoot a cross bow so now i can hunt tensas & other nwr. If I had the kind of money you say you have I would have my own large piece of property and make my own rules, or no rules. It's mine so i could do what I want.
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I hunt leased land now but hunted wildlife reserves in the past and have never known any of them to let you use saws. As for the cameras, don't see the harm in those unless it is because they don't feel like dealing the complaints about peoples cameras being stolen.
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   ezbassin
Cry me a river. You are mad about cameras and saws. Please!! You are lucky to be able to hunt where you do and have the things you have. You sound like a spoiled p_$$! to me.
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I mean really fellas who is this guy telling us he will put us out on the street? Maybe he is just mad bc other ppl have an easier time shooting deer even with the new regulations. You know how many ppl on here own businesses and have good jobs man you are just ridiculous. I think you should just go buy some land like you said
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The point is- when you answer another person's post, you do so with respect. The minute you mouth off, you can expect to be countered. You answer my post with respect. Example would be, " yeah Lamp, I feel for yall on the refuge, not being able to use the cameras."
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   NWGriff
I guess he told yall.
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   BIRD DOG
If you have as much money as you say you do(cuz you own your own buisness and all,lol)then do what you want and pay the fines if you get caught!Thats what most rich folk do,right!?lol
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What you talking about ??? Are you sure you are on the right thread ??

if you are referring to the limb saw, man I got that licked. I'm using Rapid Rails. Been having 2 sets of aluminum ones & never used them. Now I will.
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Lamp what are you talking about (QUOTE,"the minute you mouth off",(un quote). Your the one who mouthed off about the news rules,so expect critism.
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   BIRD DOG
You said you could afford to buy anybodys lease and put them out on thier butt.You are complaining about not being able to use a limb saw or cameras right?Well if you do you just get fined,right?Do it anyway and just pay the fines if you get caught!You pretty much said money is not an issue!
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I am not a violator. I was a violator catcher for 10 years. Also, NWR fines always include 3 to 5 years not to set foot on any NWR.
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   huklbry
Actually, after reading the new rules, I'm more upset about having the bow encased while traveling by ATV. That means you will have to leave your bow case with your ATV where anybody can come along and walk off with it. I would understand in a vehicle on the road, but on an ATV?
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I leave mine in the boat. You can lock it. Go to home depot and look hard at a Python cable lock. Perfect for that.
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   Ask_me
huklbry
The Bow thing is actually not in a CASE but not holding an arrow on the string. Just like muzzle loader has powder and bullet in barrel ,,,BUT no Cap on nipple.
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He's just mad because he isn't killing any deer. Isn't that the real reason why so many hunters complain on this site? Its because they aren't killing any deer and the rest of us are. LOL. It just takes a little time and effort to kill a deer on public land, that's all. If you want it easy, join a club or buy some land with food plots. There's nothting wrong with going on easy hunts, but stop complaining when you dont' kill deer because you're not willing to put in the extra effort.
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   huklbry
The first line under Firearms/ammunition.

"When transversing the Refuge by boat or land conveyance
(vehicle) including ATVs, all firearms and archery
equipment must be unloaded and ENCASED."

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He feels for us? Haha what a joke man. I have a four year degree and a two year degree and im an operator at a nuclear power plant. Also have family members that have there own business with more money than you im sure. And here you come talkin on here like your top dog, better than everyone else. Give me a break man. Sounds to me like we could put you out on the street if we wanted to.
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No where on this thread is there any indication that I desire easy hunts and that I cannot kill deer on public land. Doe Chaser fell for the all to common self-fulfilling prophecy. He chose a desired outcome, and then began harping on his own outcome. It is a psychological occurance that occurs due to lack of education, a race-ahead bias mindset which is usually due to lack of education. You jumped the gun . Now you look stupid. You should go have a beer with Obama.

Actually for the record, I let deer walk on public land quite frequently. I quit shooting the small bucks sone time ago. December 15th, 2007 I had a pretty nice 8 point standing still in the scope on Tensas Refuge. It was the 1st morning of the 2nd lottery hunt. I let him go. I guarantee out big money on the table right now that very few people here reading this would have done that. WHY did I not shoot ? Because the morning before, the 14th, I killed another 8 point just like him with an arrow at 10 yards, on the ground! I do not need to shoot everything I see. I am way beyond that. Now Doe Chaser, you look like the fool that you are. Learn to keep your trap shut until you have facts. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
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   NWGriff
OH SNAP!
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   UncleB
Hey Lamplighter,where abouts in the refuge that you let that buck walk.Good deal,letting walk,hopefully he got to breed a doe for next year (this year).If everybody would let a few walk,we would have more deer in the future. My 2 cents worth
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   rdj
Lamp...its a waste of time... I once had to learn the hard way that you can not argue with peeps like the duck-head on this website and it is the sole reason that I do not post much anymore. He said it all when he said he is an operator at a NUKE... I too work in generation plants across the SE region that are non-NUKE but for the same company and trust me when I tell you that the NUKE guys truly belive that they are something very specail and you will never get the last word with most of them. I happen to be in a bow hunting only company hunting club on NUKE property with a good many NUKE employees. It is very easy to tell them apart from the rest of us non-NUKE guys...by the way duck...are you a member of RBSC? If not you should look into it...seriously, if you are indeed a company employee. That is of course if you are a bow hunter... I will warn you though...it is not your typical hunting club. As a matter of fact it is as close to hunting public land as you will get.

Duck-head probably got that name when he gave up deer hunting due to lack of success... Call it whinning if you like...but you should all be interested in what happens on State and Federal property.

I was in several hunting clubs before I started hunting public land...you have not ever seen whining till you attended a private hunting club general meeting. Some one...any one tell me I am wrong... Even if you have never been to one you have most likely heard your buds talk about it...

As far as the camera...lots of my friends hunt the midwest. They come back every year and talk of the bucks they see in pure amazement. It is very hard for them to beleive me when I tell them that I see that same thing and sometimes more right here in LA. Well thanks to my camera, I now have proof of what actually lives here. I have pictures of bucks that would contest with ANY buck ANY where on this planet. You will never see animals like this on your lease because you are too trigger happy. So marsh-stomper...its not that I can't go take a deer without a camera but like someone said...once you are succesful at getting a trophy on film...you are hooked. It looks as if you are from the same town I am from and we most likely know each other. I bet you are just like most of the other folks around here...if it is brown, it is down! As far as someone stealing my camera...I will make a deal...if you can find it, you can have it. Most folks just do not walk in the places where my cams are placed. However even if you did happen to stumble through on of the areas that I hunt...you will have to have a very keen eye to find my cam. I my self have lost them for days at a time.

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