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hey guys i'm just starting to deer hunt and have always borrowed a rifle. im looking to get my own and have been looking at the Remington model 700. I'm gunna use it for mainly deer and pigs if i get the chance. what is the best caliber? i'm thinking .270 or 30-06.... what do yall recommend?? thanks for the help
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   nickselu
i have a Remington 7400 and love it
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   smokeem
I have a Remington 700 in 270 caliber and I love it. I`ve used it for 20 years with no problems. I shoot 130 grain soft point coreloks. Most deer I shoot drop in their tracks
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   YoungTrav
For the money a Savage, 270 or 308
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   iron man
my dad has a remington 700 in 30-06 and i love that gun. he has killed no deer with it, mainly because he was a swamp hunter, but i love that gun. mr jerry savoy took it with him to texas and killed 4 deer with it a long time ago.
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   JIMMY W
270!
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Buy you a cheap bolt action rifle and spend your money on your optics and mounts and you will have a gun with minimal moving parts that you will never wear out. I personally like a 270 over a 30-06 but that is just my preference. My first rifle was a Savage 270 with a Nikon Monarch on top killed lots of deer and my nephew is still shooting it today.
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   chefronT
I recommend a 7 mag cause if you eventually want to go out west and hunt Mule deer or Elkit will work for that also. You won't have to buy another rifle. It works good on deer and hogs also. Just my 2 cents
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   JIMMY W
I was picking one of your choices!If you want the top dog,Go with the 300wsm or the 300 Weatherby cal.
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30-06
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why not a 30-06 can hunt any game in north america large variety of style and grains and the most popular caliber in the states so ammo is everywhere
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i have both calibers, a browning 270. semi auto that was bellgium made. its pretty old and has never jamed on me and is a true shooting rifle but i hunt with a savage 30-06 bolt action that i bought last year and i love it! both calibers or great! i cannot say one is better than the other one, but the 270. is a flatter shooting rifle and you can hunt anything in North America with both calibers. you choose what you feel more comfortable with..
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   Lil Dago
i have a remington 700 30-06 and i love it. have killed 3 deer with it. two fell in their tracks, the other one went about 30 yards.
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   BABBOA
I have a 700 ADL in .30-06. It has downed 5 over the past two years. Very good gun. They supposedly quit making ADLs a couple of years back but you can still find them in some stores, or you can also find a lightly used one for a decent price. I looked at the SPS's but hated the new rubberized inserts they used instead of checkering.
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   cajnhuntr
Basicly there is very little difference between the .270 and .30-06 other than the bullet diameter. The .270 uses a necked down .30-60 case. The biggest difference between the 2 is the availablity of the different grain bullets. The .270 is limited to only a few over the counter sizes but the 06 can be found in 125-220 grains at local sporting good store like Academy. This will allow a person that is just getting into hunting a better choice. So I would go with the .30-06 if I were just getting started.
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You should take a look at the tikka t3. It is made by beretta. I shoot the tikka t3 270 and can not give one complaint. Oh and its priced very fairly also.
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   yamaha200
both me and my dad hunt with it and have killed every deer we took a shot at
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In my life I have killed deer with a 20ga, 16ga, 4 differnt 12ga, 223, 243, 2 different 270, 30-06, 300wsm, 44mag, 45-70, 5 different 50 cal. muzzleloaders and a 357, not to mention 4 different bows. Yes I'm old, used to hate deer and wanted to kill them all. Now I only kill 1 or 2 a year if at all.

The point is it really doesn't matter what gun, or caliber you choose as long as it suits you. Every gun out there has it's strengths and weakness's with the greatest weakness being the operator, second is bullet choice.

Find some friends that have different calibers and styles that will let you shot them. Make your own list of what is important to you like range, knock down power, kick, etc. Once you figure out your priorities then ask your questions accordingly.

For example, I was reading another thread about the 45-70 earlier. Everyone was talking about how bad they kick. My favorite gun of all those I mentioned above is my H & R handi-rifle 45-70. I have never noticed it kicking.

Simply put, don't let someone else (all of us on this forum) choose for you. I spend more time during hunting season with my weapons than my wife and I didn't let anyone else choose her for me, so why my gun? Just the rambling thoughts of an old man, now carry on.
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Two excellent calibers. You can't go wrong with either one. Other options are 308 and 7mm-08. There are a million different choices out there. Just dont get sucked into all the hype bout the new fangled short mags and all that new crap. Go with the proven stuff that has been around for a while and has a wide selection of bullet choices and they're easy to find.

The 700 is a great rifle and it would keep you happy, I know PLENTYYYYYYY people who shoot one and won't buy anythign else. There are a few rifles out there in the same price loop that I prefer to the 700, but if thats what you like than thats what you need to buy. I'm a tikka guy, and suggest every person shopping for a rifle at least handle a tikka and pull the trigger on one before you buy something else. It's a much finer rifle than alotta guns that cost twice as much. The mossberg 100 ATR is also a great gun that won't cost you much. Handle everything in your price range before you buy and get the one that feels right to you.
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   ruger109
Basically there is no practical difference when shooting deer and pigs, but you will never catch me without a 30 caliber rifle. I'd picj 30-06 or .308, but that's just me. I like bigger bullets.
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   bigfoot34
The 30-06 came out in 1906. The 30 is for the caliber and the 06 is the year. It's been around for a really long time. That should tell you something. The military liked it so much that it was the round chambered for the BAR squad gun and the garand.
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Despite what people will tell you there isn't a whole lot of difference between the trajectories of a 270 vs a 30-06 if you compare same weight bullets. So don't buy into the the flatter shooting rhetoric.

On the other hand the 30-06 bullets come in a bunch of weights you can't get from a 270 and if you ever head out west the 30-06 is carries a bigger punch for animals such as elk and bear.
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30-06, more variety on grains
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thanks guys this helped tremendously. ill definitely ask some close friends and family to see if i can shoot their guns to get a feel for them and see what suits me. thanks again. this site has once again helped me in some costly decisions
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   mr.coon
i shoot a .280rem as well as several members of my family and friends. we all have remington model 700 mountain rifles. several of us are .270 and .30-06 converts.

as young boy looking for my first rifle, i was turned on the to the .280 rem by a couple of my neighbors. one is a gun nut and hand loader, and the other has been all over the world hunting and has 2 grand slams. i told them that i wanted gun that could kill whitetail(without exploding them), mule deer, elk, caribou, black bear, and i could take to africa one day. i still have a while to wait on that african dream. the first thing out of both of their mouths was the .280 remington. they both owned them and said that it was their favorite all around cartridge and was plenty enough gun to kill anything in north america out too 300yds. they also steered me towards the remington model 700 mountain rifle. to them as well as many gun writers the .280 was superior to the .270 and .30-06. back then when i bought my .280 there weren't many factory offering but that has changed. hornady, federal, norma, winchester, pmc, remingotn, oryx, nosler, and cor-bon all offer factory loadings. also, i have noticed that two popular member of the realtree gang have been singing the praises of the .280 remington, michael wadell and bill jordan. i watched bill drop an elk in its tracks from 267 yds with is .280 rem loaded with 160gr federal accubonds a couple of weeks ago.

here are some links to some great info about the .280 remington:

http://www.clcweb.net/Shooting/_280_Remington_Mountain_Rifle/_280_remington_mountain_rifle.html

http://www.gunhuntermag.com/Articles/tabid/113/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/187/270-vs-280.aspx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.280_Remington

link to some ammo offerings:

http://www.midwayusa.com/browse/BrowseProducts.aspx?pageNum=1&tabId=3&categoryId=9329&categoryString=653***690***

link to the mountain rifle on remington's site:

http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_700/model_700_mountain_LSS.asp
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   WINGBONE2
I saw no mention of ammo availability. Lets say you go on a trip and leave your bullets or shoot more than planned (have to re-sight scope , etc). You can usually find some REM. or WIN. bullets in -06 or 270 at gas stations or hardware stores. The 7 or 300 mag ammo can be harder to run across.
Something else that wasn't mentioned was the ammount of meat distroyed by the magnum calibers.
Its all what you like. I personally like a Rem model 7600 carbine in 30-06. My ammo of choice is Remington Core Lokt 180 grains. The shorter barrel handles better while in stands and I've killed deer 250 yards and better. Whatever your choice Good Luck this season !
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   stranger
i have never been a fan of 30-06. for a few reasons, it is a great round but i prefer a .270 for most things. being in the Army i use a rem700 .308 for the "seasonless" hunting i'm paid for its a great weapon in any cal but pricey i dont own a single remmy just found that for normal conditions i can almost buy two savages and be just as accurate with the same optics my main rifles are marlin 30-30 lever for stalking, savage model 110 .270 for most southern stand hunting, winchester .300winmag if i know i'm taking a mid range mid size game shot, and my savage model 110 7mm mag for my ridge to ridge elk hunts in colorado many people swear by 30-06 just not for me and you may find a odd combo that works great for you i would talk to buddies get out buy some ammo for their rifles go to range with them and find what works for you i shot reg bolt actions left handed and am slow with a left bolt stay away from Wal-mart guns they are the left overs once all other orders are filled from factory and are lower quality guns find a round that fits your hunts and styles that is comfortable accurate (once again steer clear of wal-mart ammo) and spend money on optics and drop them where they stand last thing is a weapon is only as good and accurate as the ammo it fires everything matters with ammo
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   JIMMY W
Go with the 300 WSM and be done!!!
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   wschamp98
Deer_Slayer30-06. Comparing apples to apples if you shoot 150 gr. or the same grain bullet side by side, the .30-06 vs the .270 has a better trajectory. Some hunters swear that the .270 is a flatter shooting round but they are usually comparing the 130 gr vs some of the larger .30-06 rounds. All you need to do is check a ballistics chart.
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   baddog69
270, 30-06 or whatever caliber you choose . i suggest you pick a popular one that ammo can be attained anywhere. then go practice practice practice not always the caliber but the person behind it . shot placement is everything.
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is $200-300 to cheap to spend on a scope or can i get a decent one for that price?
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   stranger
that is tricky its another ? just as cal is i shot several dif brands i am very happy with my tasco but you have to be gentle on it (resight after flyin for sure) i recently decided to try the new bsa deerhunter on my .300 its nothing special but is clear and works well in 3-9x50 and ran me $189 just make sure when its mounted its straight before and after tightening (from you) they should let you look and verify (if you may not hold rifle perfectly vertical then scope must compensate for that so you dont adjust at angles)but i also own bushnells, simmons, bsa, and leupolds so as long as its has good eye relief clear sights and a reticle that works shot through it ( i dont recommend simmons it was on a rifle i bought) it may also be worth checking out the BSA Sweet .270 if you choose to go with a .270 it has a range adjustment on it that is supposed to be good and i have been happy with my bsa so far ( i will be switching to it on mine this year)
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   b-rad53
I have a Rem 700 in the 30-06 and i love the gun. shoots well and i have killed a few deer with it well over 150 yards. the 270 i herd was a good flat gun too but as for me i like my gun.
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   seagu11
Go with the 30-06 and hunt any big game animal in US and as mentioned, can find ammo any where. The 308 would be a good choice if you are looking for a short action round.
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thanks again for the comments guys and also my buddy shoots a browning .270 short mag... whats up with the short mag? i think if he could he would marry the gun the way he talks about it. should the short mag be something to look in to?
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   WINGBONE2
just looked at a Natchez shooter ('08 don't have the '09 here) and the short mag rounds seem to be twice the price of regular ammo. The question is do you really need that to kill deer? I think its money wasted just my 2 cents.......
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well wschamp98, it is a proven fact that i saw on tv. ask anybody what the most flattest shooting rifle is. if they know about calibers then they will tell you, sorry, everybody has there own opinion but my fact is the 270. is flatter shooting. im not talking about how far the bullet will travel befor falling. im talking about as soon as it comes out the barrel until it hits the ground. check it out!!!!! http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=363522&page=2
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yea but whats the difference between the short mag and regular gun? why is ammo more expensive?
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   Iceman
From what I have seen, the short mags are not suited for typical hunting in the south, where shots are generally shorter. A friend of mine has one, and shot two deer the first weekend he hunted with it. The first one was a 90 lb doe that was center punched, and ran 100 yards. The second one was a 7 point, which was also center punched, and ran 250 yards. Both exit holes were very small in comparison to a "normal" rifle. Both of these deer were shot at 40-50 yards. The short mag rounds are very hot, and in my opinion, so hot that they blow through without much bullet expansion when shot at short ranges. On the other hand, they probably maintain more foot pounds of energy at very long ranges. Without researching it much, I think the short mags are more suited for hunting out west, where long shots are the norm. Stick with a proven performer.
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.270, 30-06, .308 are your best bet. They get the job done and the ammo is HALF the cost of the mags and short mags.
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I have shot a Browning A-Bolt 7 mm Mag for 25 years and it has never failed me. It is a flat shooter with great energy. I have killed deer up to 300 yards with it. You may want something that works well in South Louisiana or across some ravine in West Texas. The 30-06 will drop 2 feet in 300 yards. The 270 would be might second choice.
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   Pa-Low

.270 Rifle is the ticket for me. But I am a very devoted pistol hunter. In a pistol caliber, I am carry a TC in .35 Rem or Wildcat version .358 Bellm. An every now an then I hunt with my 7-30 Bullberry.
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I know plenty of people who have had bad experiences with short mags. Bullets cost to much, there isnt much selection, and your limited in your choice of gun because not everyone chambers them. EVERYONE chambers EVERY deer rifle they make in either 30-06, 270, or 308. Also, EVERY ammunition manufacturer offers loads in these calibers.
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   7-point
Dont over look the savage its a fine gun.
You can't beat the 30-06 its the best all around weapon made.
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   seagu11
Would stay away from the short mags, because of ammo price and availability. What I mean by short is the lenght of the 308 casing, same size bullet as 30-06, but shorter bolt stroke/action.
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   jhunter
i have a savage 270 accu trigger ole chepo from wal mart best dam rifle i have it all has to do with a good scope i have brownings remingtons and when i leave in the morning to head to the stand the savage is in my HAND. good luck
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thanks again guys
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both are fine tools for the job.
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   southnboy
the 30-06 is heavy enough for about anything in north america. ammo is easy to get. good variety of bellet weights to choose from. Makes a big hole !!!!!!!!
I have about every variation of .30 caliber
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   MSF1979
i am selling a 7 mm remington model 700. it is left handed and has a custom trigger and sotck. if interested email. msf792001@yahoo.com
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