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44-70 OR 444

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IM TRYING TO DECIDE IF I SHOULD GO WITH THE 45-70 OR 444! I HERD THAT THE 444 SHOOTS A LOT FLATTER. WHAT SHOULD I GO WITH. ANY INFO WELL APP.
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   JIMMY W
They both shoot like a rainbow!!45/70 is what I like!Big Bullet!!
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Marlin 444, 3x9x32 I hand load my rounds but store bought rounds are normally hotter then 45/70, lighter gun, I have killed 100s of hogs and deer with it and love running shots the 250 grain bullet kills instantly !!!

I have just this year picked up a KP1 45-70 for muzzleloading season cause I could not find it in 444 as it was designed, I don't care they went out of bussniss, you can't beat the green moutain barrels and the timmy triggers are awsome I own 3 other Knights also can't beat price at $230.00 delivered can't wait to shoot a pig or deer

OH the Hornady leverroution bullet makes both these guns more distance freindly they were good 150 yard gun now 300 yard isn't out the question

good luck
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the 444. shoots flatter than the 45-70 does. but both will turn a deer into ground meat! dont doubt either caliber because both are more accurate than you think at a 125yds. or further. just dont forget to exercise your shoulder before you shoot a half box of bullets trying to sight them in.
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   BIRD DOG
I shoot a Marlin 444 and love it!Dont have any experience with the 45-70.
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   blake L
I went sight in my knight kp1 45/70 2 weeks ago. at 100 yards i have all 3 shots touching using 325grain hornandy lever revolution ammo . never shot a 444 so couldnt help u with that. gun does have some kick. was a little scared after reading some reviews on it. i weigh 155 and didnt have a problem putting 18rds through it
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   cajunbob
If your hunting deer go with the 444. If your hunting bigger game go with the 45/70. The 45/70 has a bigger bullets you can use on moose , big bears, elk but the 444 will do the job also
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   BangFlop
I have the Knight 444. 5 shots - 5 dead deer. Nuff said.
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   SHORT-MAG
Before you buy check out the 35 whelen, flatter shooting than the 45/70 and 444, recoil friendly, and all the caliber you need to kill deer. Just my .02.
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   fishhead
35 Whelen is a good round, however, it can't be used for muzzleload season. Must be .38 or larger.
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   PaleRider
I am not sure about LA but they changed the law in MS to allow for the 35 Whelen. I would go with .444 personally. You can look at ballistics chart on Remington shoot to get some specifics. BTW, I heard that Knight was going under also but as far as I know are still making firearms. Does anyone know when they are going to stop production?
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I have shot both rounds. The 45-70 gov is a bigger round 325 gr I think to 265 gr for the .444 marlin. The kick from the .444 marlin (kp1 knight) was comparable to a .270 or 30-06 in my opinion. Now the 45-70 shot from a cva optima - GET READY. The .444 marlin is + 3 inchs @ 100 yards, and -1.4 inches @ 200 yards. I beleive the 45-70 is the same @ 100yars and drops around 4 inches @ 200yards(bigger round). Prices and availibility of ammmo - around 36 dollars and you can get them easily at academy.
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   Capt Bob
From my experince with a 45/70,(over 40yrs of useing one)Ive found that any bullet smaller then 350 grain is to small! I load both 350 grain hornday, and lead 405 grain in mine and have never had to second shoot ANYTHING !! just my 2 cents Capt Bob
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   cajunbob
I read in the paper this morning that Bowie Outfitters has the 45/70 on sale for $199
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Capt Bob, i dont understand how a 250 grain bullet is to small. what are you shooting? elephants.
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   cajunbob
Capt Bob said he didn't have to second shot his deer. I wonder if he foundhis deer? With a 400 gr bullet all he had was ground meat
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do the recoil reduction pads work
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they are both good rounds but capt bob is crazy anything that is smaller than 300 grain is to small your are crazy if you place your shot you dont need a big bullet like that i have killed several deer with a ruger 204 and thats only a 40 grain bullet but my personal favorite is the 444 marlin go on the cabelas website and they make a scope just for the modern rifles like these to and they are grade matched to the particular rifle and are made to work with the hornady lever action bullets that makes the 444 marlin accurate up to 300 yards it is amazing you should really check it out the scope only runs 100 bucks and a box of bullets around 40 bucks so a good brush gun and good scope and bullets you will have a hell of a rifle
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   La Boy
Had a 45/70, now have a 444. Both shoot well. Deer will never tell if shot placement is close. 44 has less kick and a little flatter traj, especially with Hornady leveloution bullets 265 gr bullets. If I had to buy another it would be another 444 simply because of the less kick.
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I am recoil sensitive; therefore, I chose the .444 Marlin for my primitive weapon over the 45-70. I further reduced the recoil by adding an approximately one pound weight (a mercury recoil suppressor to the stock), a limbsaver recoil pad, and reduced powder handloads from a hunting colleague.

A 45-70 will kill anything on the North American (and probably most African game) continent, but we are talking about deer -- a light weight, soft skinned target. Plus, the .444 Marling shoots flatter than a 45-70.

I do not have extensive hunting experience with the .444 Marlin, but the one deer I shot was killed.
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   papa-p
I have two bucks killed this year with a Knight KP-1 45-70. One at 100 yards and the other at 196 yards. Neither went more than 10 yards before going down for good.
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   Capt Bob
I don't shoot a 45/70 for deer !! I use a 22 K Hornet with 50 grain Match Hollow points !! and the 45/70 was designed to shoot 405 grain bullets ! Ive used mine for moose elk bear both black and brown and it's a killer ! Capt Bob
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   CarlMack
I prefer .45-70. Bought a H&R Handi Rifle in .45-70 for primitive hunting in LA and MS. I shoot Hornady LeverRevolution ammo at 325 grain loads,use a Nikon ProStaff 4x9x40 scope, and installed a Limbsaver Recoil pad. I love it, and Im accurate within 150 yrds. Try both and get whats best for you
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labowhunter87

I ran out of breath reading your reply! Im okay now
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   Splitlog
Yesterday i found a H and R , stainless barrel , laminate stock with the thumb hole!!! Ill try it this year. Thanks for all the opinions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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   gwhunter
I'm not sure if it's a very common problem, but I've had two good friends who bought H&R 45-70's this year and both had to be returned. Both had weak firing pins that wouldn't fire a cartridge. And one the action would just open up after the shot without pressing the release. In my opinion if you want a fairly priced gun that is reliable go with the CVA Optima Elite. With this you can even buy interchangeable barrels. Good Luck
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I hope you got that H&R you're talking about as that gun is an exclusive for a huge gun distributor out of Shereveport called Sports South. It's called the H&R Ultra Hunter, I also have one and it's really nice. They supply the majority of the gun shops around here and they're out of this gun and no telling how long it will be before they recieve some more. No matter which gun you choose I would stick with the .444.
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   Splitlog
YOUR RIGHT ! THE GUY WHO I BOUGHT MINE FROM ONLY HAS ONE LEFT AND PROBABLY CANT GET ANYMORE
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   Splitlog
IVE GOT A BUDDY WHO BOUGHT ONE LAST YEAR AND HAD THE SAME PROBLEM. MATTER OF FACT IT HAPPEN TO ME WHILE I WAS TRYING TO SIGHT IT IN FOR HIM. HE BROUGHT UT BACK TO THE SAME GUY HE BOUGHT IT FROM AND GOT IT SENT BACK TO REPLACE THE FIRING PEN MECHANISM. NEVER MISSED FIRED SINCE.
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