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fire
It is my understanding that they did burn or two today but will not do any burns tonight. They have fire proof booms that they corral the oil with and then set it on fire.

This seems like the best option right now. Currently the enviromental impact has been minimal despite all the doom and gloom you hear in the media. But this certainly has the potential to turn nasty quickly.

Does anyone have any inside information on why they have been unable to activate the blowout prevention valves in the block on the ocean floor?
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BOP
Are the BOP valves (shear valves and gate valves) hydraulic or pneumatic?

Either way, there would have to be a source of pressure to activate them, correct?
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Mega Diaster
I know every little bit of oil they can get rid of helps but from what I read and heard the burning process they are using is a drop in the bucket and they have not even really got started with it , just testing the process in the daylight only , at best they had hoped for 5% of the oil to be burned , but that was before they figured it's leaking 5 times the orignal 42,000 gals a day and now is pumping out 210,000 a day , and 90 days is an estimate I heard thrown around to cap it before they figured it's really 3 different leaks , this happen before in 89 in 150 ft of water and it took 9 months to cap , this is 5,000 ft of water ------- where is Obama and some Fedaral responce , only thing I heard from him was yesterday he asked BP to step it up ---------- I am feeling pretty bad about the whole deal , I think all the shrimpers, ,crabbers oysterfishermen , charter captains will be out of business for a long time , the people who live on water front property will be ruined , seafood will hit record prices around here as it will have to be shipped in from other places which will effect restraunts and seafood stores , I feel that when it's all said and done the total impact of this event will exceed Katrina's damages as it's not going to be just La. and Miss. this time , but the whole Guilf including Florida and Alabama as well ------I hope I am wrong but looks easy to see
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Update
The oil spill is worse than originally expect, and oil could begin hitting the mouth of the river tomorrow evening. Details on the front page.
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Oil spill
Saying it went from 1000 barrels per day to 5000 barrels per day.

Looks like it's time to find a new hobby.
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Venice
My father is going to the camp in Venice today. Should have a first-hand report by the weekend since our camp is down on Pass a Loutre.
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Leak
I work on a BP platform and the update we got this morning is that it is not confirmed that the leak has increased to 5000 barrels. That may be a speculated estimate... As ar as the BOP's, they are hydraulic. The ROV's can't get enough volume to close them right now. They brought out a boat with coiled tubing to drop to the BOP's to increase volume. The connection point of the coiled tubing is too restrictive so they are working on changing the connection point. They are working on a dome with pipe at the top of the dome that would cover the leak and suck the oil up to barges. This works well in shallow water but not sure how it will work in 5000'.
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Ridiculous
I read three days ago that a BP official said they 'we're going to attempt to close the blowout preventer with an ROV, but please understand that we are working in 5000 feet of water. This has been done in shallow water, but not at the depths we are working at.' Don't you think you should have done the exercise of closing it with an ROV in 5000' before drilling , moron? It's nothing against the oil companies. We need all of the oil we can get. I use more of it than most. The fact that they were allowed to drill at these depths without first proving to a regulatory board of some kind that this could be done in the event of a leak is completely insane. I also heard that yesterday a ton of trucks were heading to Venice hauling down these sponge type blankets to line the coast. The oil has been spewing for a week and they are just getting them down there. You would think there would be laws in place that would force the oil companies to store remediation materials in a warehouse in Venice or Fourchon, at their expense. The thought of all of our lifestyles being altered, whether commercially or recreationally, because of this mess is a sad thought.
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this is gonna be bad
Not including what has spilled so far:
1 Week = 1.27 Million Gallons
2 Weeks = 2.94 M
3 Weeks = 4.41 M
4 Weeks = 5.88 M
5 Weeks = 7.35 M
6 Weeks = 8.82 M
7 Weeks = 10.29 M
8 Weeks = 11.76 M

Exxon Valdez = 11 Million Gallons
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New story
We should expect a 'major impact' on the Louisiana coast from the spill, according to one of Louisiana Sportsman's sources. See the new story on the front page.
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Latest Update
Since my last update the response team has worked around the clock to address the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. Let me say up front, the scale of this response is unprecedented -- both for BP and the industry. The team on the ground is throwing everything they have at this and they have the full resources of the Group behind them. Everyone across BP should be very proud of the team's remarkable efforts.

Below the surface, we continue to work to attempt to activate the blow-out preventer (BOP). In parallel, we have begun engineering and initial fabrication work to develop a subsea oil collection system which would allow us to gather oil from close to the sea bed. Whilst this approach has been proven in shallow water, it would be a first for the deepwater.

We have now also received a permit to drill a relief well and following the arrival of the Transocean Development Driller III rig on site, preparations are underway in anticipation of starting to drill this well on Friday. A second drilling rig is also on its way to drill a second relief well if needed.

On the surface, we are aggressively moving forward with our oil spill plan. Improved weather conditions have allowed skimming vessels to operate far offshore and aircraft to fly multiple dispersant sorties. To date, the oil spill response team has recovered over 16,000 barrels of an oil-water mix. Weathering and dispersion tactics are breaking down the oil into a frothy emulsion. And a first 'controlled burn' was also completed yesterday using fire boom to contain and then burn heavier pockets of oil.

The edge of the sheen is approximately 23 miles off the coast of Louisiana and to manage the risk of oil reaching shore, deployment of boom is now underway. More than 100,000 feet of boom has been assigned to contain the spill so far. An additional 286,760 feet is available and 320,460 feet has been ordered. Five staging areas are in place and ready to protect sensitive areas of the shoreline.

As I have said before, we are doing everything we can to contain the environmental consequences of this incident. I remain absolutely determined that this will remain the case. We will do everything that we can to prevent a human tragedy from becoming a major environmental issue.
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More bad news
It appears that they type of oil coming out of the well is about 50% of the type that is used mainly for asphalt and is not going to evaporate like the crude oil they were expecting and it doesn't respond to dispersants like would normally happen.

This asphalt type of oil isn't very toxic but it is extremely sticky and can be compared to roofing tar.

It will not flow ashore like the oil from the Exxon Valdez but instead come ashore as tar balls that stick to anything they touch. Clean up of the marsh from this stuff will be virtually impossible. If it hits a sand beach it is realatively easy to clean up... you basically just have to pick it up.

You see the oil slick maps but I HOPE that the map is a bit misleading. I HOPE that is just the extent of the sheen. I would HOPE that they sheen and light oil extends out further than the asphalt oil. I am also hopeful that the asphalt oil (and all oil for that matter) will be held at bay by the river water. Sort of like how the blue water is kept away by the river water.

If the asphalt type oil is denser than the regualar oil it is possible that it will hit the rip line and stop. This is just pure wild speculation but my fingers are crossed.
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Call for large boats
Plaquemines Parish is asking for owners of large boats (capable of carrying oil booms and other equipment) to volunteer their craft in the battle to protect the Louisiana coast from the oncoming oil spill.

If you'd like to volunteer or get more information, please call the Plaquemines Parish president's office at 504.297.2460.
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fisherman with boats to deploy boom
Copied from David Vitter's facebook post.
Helping BP get in touch with fisherman with boats to deploy boom and help with clean up of oil spill. The staging area is set up in Venice. If you have a boat and able to help, contact Vince Mitchell, vince.mitchell@lamor.com or 425-745-8017 as well as Grant Johnson, grant.johnson@bp.org
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latest imagery
Here is today's imagery.
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NOBAMA
Today he has told bp to step it up and has ordered INSPECTIONS of other wells and rigs to make sure this doesn't happen again. WHAT A MORON. WE need federal response to get boots on the ground (Or in boats ) w/ booms to stop as much as possible from hitting the southern coast of the United States. There is already some of the far left liberal crowd saying see we told you so. That's why we don't want any more drilling.. It was an accident and Overall the safety and accident record of the oil industry is one of the safest and pollution free of most any industry.
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well
I don't think it's a great idea to have boaters with no experience deploying containment booms in the Gulf of Mexico.
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Grand Isle
Grand Isle will be destroyed because of this Oil Disaster. Anyone wants to sell thier Camp for 5,000 dollars??? I am ready to buy. LOL
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Oil Slick
I was looking forward all winter to a great summer of speck fishing.

Im going to throw up right now..BRB....ugh..
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oil spill
B.P.better have extremely deep pockkets, this is a night mare
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NUmbers..
Is it just me, or does 100,000' foot of boom sound like alot? LOL..

Nope, thats just under 20 miles of boom...

Dont we need about 600 miles of boom? I didnt stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but Houston, I think we have a problem..
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Spill
Let me start by saying this is horrible and gonna change life for a ton of people. I'll probably get hammered for this but I have to ask anyway. I have a charter trip in Lake P in 3 weeks. The spill won't come that far north will it?

I know, I'm a selfish, insensitive jerk...
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L. Pontchartrain
I would think that Lake Pontchartrain is going to be safe from the oil leak. Meaning that even if some of the sheen gets there it shouldn't have a major impact on the fishing. No guarantees but I would bet against a Lake impact.
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Sad.
Ive watched and listened since the blast. Let me begin with my prayers to the families that have lost loved ones. Secondly to the families that make a living from the Gulf waters and marshes. Very sad times for all. I have a hollow, sickly feeling and somewhat lost feeling in my gut and soul for that matter. We never think or expect things like this to happen. How will we cope with those beautiful days of the fishing and Duck hunting or even working ones tail off for a dollar while seeing the oil laden shorelines and suffering of the ecosystem? We are sportsmen, fishermen , oil hands, AMERICANS! We will overcome! I shall commit myself to volunteer in what ever way possible to help. One man and crew will not be enough. Although it is not our fault nor the oil industry I am somehow compelled to give some of my free time to help in the cause. I hunt these marshes and fish this Gulf. It is mine and ours. I will treat it the same now and forever. Do what you can out there when the time comes to lend a hand.
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Lake is threatened too
For those who think Lake P is safe do not fully appreciate the scope of the problem. The current spill alone will be in Breton Sound Saturday, and in Mississippi Sound Sunday or Monday. Then a front will come through and perhaps spare the Mississippi beaches for a couple of days.

But, then we will eventually get southeast winds by the middle of next week. It will then be in Lake Borgne (and the MS beaches), then the Rigolets, then its in the Lake for sure.

That is just from the current amount of oil. Now, consider that they may not be able to stop the leak for 3 MONTHS!!!!

I really, really hope I'm wrong, but please no rose-colored glasses at this point.

Only a military response and hundreds of fishing boats can stop it at this point. Last I checked, Obama had that stunned surprised look Bush had for Katrina, not encouraging.
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oil spill
I am an lsu professor specializing in reproduction of marine animals. Please note that these are my opinions and are not indicative of the stance of the University as a whole.

The oil spill from Deep Horizon is a greater disaster than many of you may realize. The impact is not only for the current oyster/shrimping/fisheries season (including sport fisheries). The impact is far beyond as the early life stages are significantly more impacted than the adult stages. Since spring and early summer are the traditional spawning seasons for most animals, the larval stages are going to be greatly impacted and the future harvest seasons greatly impacted.

The cat is out of the bag and really will not be contained for the next 2-3 months or longer.

I do not know what the solution is nor will I advocate a cessation of drilling. What I will advocate is a look to the future to try to alleviate these issues by looking at alternative energy sources. We really must examine how we pursue our sport and be as responsible environmentally as possible. What can you do to help?

I love fishing and I do not what to give it up.
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'Just an Opinion'
...if we could stay on course this would be a true turning point to use and adjust to other resources...the off records comments I have heard, collateral and residual damage could be greater than Katrina...we have to much oil/gas still under our land shelf's rather than risk seafood commerce...so now the profits of greed is poured back into the cycle of mistakes...when will we learn ???
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Oil Spill
My thoughts and prayers go out to the workers and families of the platform. One might say that they knew what they were working with,but nothing prepares you for such a tragedy. I have been on a ship that was on fire at sea loaded with bombs,fuel,etc. and no place to run. It to was a suprise.
Hopfully this can be prevented in the future.
One of the sad things is that the 'special intrest ' groups (anti-drilling,Peta,Politicians,Lawyers)and who knows, looking for personal gain from this acccident.

We are Americans and should band together to help out. The accident has already happened,now lets work together to clean it up and help the families that were affected and get on with it
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Barataria
Did the spill reach BARATARIA BAY and GRAND ISLE. Are ia it east of the mississppi river.
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Never Say it Can't get no Worst
Admiral , what does Geranimo have to say about this whole deal ------ on a lighter note as I am already burning out on the coverage of the spill , and there isn't anything I can do about it , I was reading Nostradomus to see if anything he said would fit to whats going on , and I found one that kinda fit , Quartel IX 48 === The great city of the maritime Ocean, Surrounded by a crystalline swamp: In the winter solstice and the spring, It will be tried by frightful wind. --------------trying to think what kind of wind problem we had during the Winter solstice and you wouldn't really call 25-30 mph winds from the southeast for 5 days straight frightful unless there is a oil slick being pushed by it ----------also was reading the Bible and Revalations made several references to the Seas turning to blood and killing everything in it by an angel dumping a bowl ---------- lokked into my fish files and realize how ironic that in the year of Black and Gold , black gold flows from the depths ---maybe hell really did freeze over
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DoDoPlat
That is an asinine statement.
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New update
The latest news is on the front page, so be sure and check it out. The direct link to the story is www.louisianasportsman.com/details.php?id=2219.
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THIS IS BAD!!!!
I cant believe its as bad as it it. Just speechless. I think BP should have to cover lost wages to you fellas who depend on the coastal waters for your income be it commercial or recreational charter fishing. NOT TO MENTION THE CLEAN UP COST!!!!!! this is something that could affect our waters for years to come.
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forecast, Saturday 6PM
Forecast for Saturday 6PM shows all of Breton Sound being impacted and eastern side of Biloxi Marsh.
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The big picture
Does it not seem odd that during the run off Obama talked about putting the coal industry out of business, then passes health care, and then is all of a sudden in favor of lifting the drilling ban... the most left president in nation's history does something so right that even those on the right would never do it.... Then a few weeks later all of a sudden there is a massive oil catosrophe off of our coast.... No way the ban gets lifted now once the nation sees the damage resulting from this, and it will be bad... In fact i am sure this gives them the ammo they need to get thru cap and trade as well....

Just seems a little too coincidental to me..

As Rahm Emanual said 'Never let a serious crisis go to waste'

The timing on this could have no more of a long term impact than it happening righ now, not only on the fisheries but on the political outcome which will result.....
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Oil Spill Pollution.
The spill will hit the coast of Grand Isle soon. And it is sad , but I believe it will be devastating to the coast. The impact of this oil spill will trickle down to everyone in business. Will affect everyone , one way or another.The fishing industry is a 2 billion dollar industry in louisiana. More jobs in La will be lost . God Help US. Sincerly, Jason.
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Ghost Town
I believe in a week, Grand Isle will be a Ghost Town. God bless Grand Isle.
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Dr. Spot
Dr. Spot, can you post the website where you found that info?
~Thanks
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projections
http://ocg6.marine.usf.edu/~zheng/research/Oilspill/index.html

i know its still early, but if you go to this website and hit play, it will give you an early projection with tides and wind as to where the oil is moving and speed.
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So Far
I hate to be the devil, but it is better if this thing moves East as it has mostly done. Clean beaches will be much easier to clean up than marsh.

This is the time of year when the business's make their money. They have been waiting for May all winter, like retailers wait for Christmas.

Do not boycott BP fellas, they are going to need the money to give back...

Bankrupting them will only hurt us.
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This just in
Chris-H just emailed me from Shell Beach, where he has responded to calls for volunteers. Here is his email:

'I'm out at shell beach and there are trucks of oil boom lined up, but not going anywhere. St. Bernard officials have told me that they contracted a company called 'Oil Mop' to do the cleanup effort, and are not accepting volunteers. Meanwhile, volunteers like myself and oyster fisherman out here sit and wait while nothing happens. Oil Mop will not let volunteers help either.

I have not seen one oil boom go out even though there are boats all over the place. Oil Mop employees are just standing around chatting.'

Chris said he's also called and emailed the BP volunteer hotline numerous times in the past 24 hours, and he's received no response.

We'll keep you updated as we receive more information.
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Oil Change
People look at the Positive side of the Oil spill. Grand Isle just might offer FREE Oil Changes for your car, for a Year. LOL Sincerly, Jason and Glen.
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predictions
Any predictions on how far to the west the oil will travel?
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terrible
guys i don't think u realize how bad this is... Grand isle is only a portion, this could ruin the whole La coast.... THey cannot cap this thing, they have to drill another well to relieve the pressure so they can cap it.... They are estimating 90 days.... Now i work in this field and i think thats an over estimate but 30 is very much a reality..... understand that in that time the entire marsh will be affected.... this taking place during the spawn and you could see irrepairable damage... the marsh isn't what it once was and if the fishery is destroyed it may not be able to rebound..... This could be devastating...

It is beyond me why they have not allowed the Venice, and every fishing fleet in the state to volunteer to put out these oil booms to protect what they can.... Its infuriating....

This could be worse than Katrina... and it the response is absolutely pitiful.....
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No politics here
Folks, this thread is intended to centralize the sharing of information on the potentially catastrophic oil spill and not discuss politics.

I will remove all political discussions so that we can focus on the impact of the spill and any on-the-scene reports all of you come up with.

So please don't start political hacking. It's one thing to question the adequacy of the response, but we're not going to start calling politicians names here.

Thanks, and please keep the reports and questions coming. We'll do what we can to get answers.
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Well
They said that they didnt have enough booms. Thats one of MANY reasons fisherman aren't setting them up. Another One is they may not know how, the liability......
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Economic Impact
I do not know which will be worse: environmental or economic. I know there are alot of birds, fish, and other wildlife that will be impacted......but think of the economic:

First, the 2 billion dollar fishing industry (as someone already mentioned) will basically be destroyed.

Why will people go to seafood restaurants if they will get sick from what little seafood will be harvested or worse; no seafood is in stock.... so restaurants will suffer and those that work in that industry.

People who usually hire guides to fish when traveling to South Louisiana will not get them (b/c the fish will be dead or guides will not want to put their boats in the water). Also, charter fishing trips out of all cities on the gulf coast (Destin to Lake Charles) will surely suffer.

If guides do not go out...why buy fishing tackle, gas, and other supplies that are usually required?

Why would anyone go to Gulf Shores, AL, Ship Island, MS or Grand Isle, LA if oil is everywhere? Not a fun vacation.

The coast guard seems to keep marine transportation uninterrupted (importing and exporting), but if that gets shut down, the ports will suffer.

Fuel usually increases in the summer from increased demand, and I know that this is only one rig, but I would not be suprised if I hear a report that gas at the pump will be higher than usual.

I would like to see a report on the economic impact that this oil spill will have on the economy of S.E. United States. It is my opinion that the wildlife will be around (the earth is 75% water, I think the fish will make it)....but the people that own businesses and the employees that rely on a paycheck to pay the bills from these industries will be affected.

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lawsuits
People never fail to amaze me. You have a group of fisherman that have already filed a lawsuit against all parties involved. These fisherman have no idea what the outcome of this spill will be but they are already looking for what they can get out of it. And some think these companies are going to allow these same people to participate in the clean-up and invite even more lawsuits. Next thing you know the charter captains will be looking for compensation. Just like they did for Katrina.
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Lawsuits
These guys filed a lawsuit because this is not an act of nature, but a man made disaster made by a group of idiots who decided to drill in 5000' of water, without first knowing if they could manually shut off a valve with one of their ROV's at that depth. They deserve whatever is coming to them for their stupidity. I am not a fan of people sueing, nor am I a commercial fisherman, but I hope these morons pay through the nose. I am a recreational guy who used to fish an average of 25 weekends a year. Do you not realize that all of the money and time these commercial fisherman have spent getting ready for the season was for nothing, because of the actions of a certain group? If that is not grounds for legal action, than nothing is.
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my 2 cents
all these people speculating on what the effects to the coast and the fishing and seafood industries are going to be really need to just stop with all the dooms day theories.nobody knows what the effects will be.the main concern right now is shutting that well in and stopping that oil from hitting the coast. all i know is the more bad publicity this gets the more likely we will see the government try to ban all offshore drilling and we will be paying 5.00 a gallon for gas.they are already talking about stupid investigations into this incident and reducing offshore drilling.
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basinhunterfisher
finally a sensible comment. Nobody knows what the impact of this will be. and for iceman to say this was unproven technology, only shows his ignorance. We have been drilling in 5000fsw for over 15 years. we are now drilling at water depths of over 12000fsw. This is nothing new.

I know nothing about this particular field, but I can almost guarantee that this was human error and not a breakdown in equipment or technology. When they stop the leak and recover that BOP then the truth will come out.
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Comment
I realize that they have been drilling at this depth and deeper for some time. Suttles from BP made the comment in an interview a few days ago that manually shutting off a BOP has been done in shallow water, but has not been done in 5000' of water. I think it would have been a good idea to verify that it was possible to do so before the drilling started.
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Play Nice
Ok everyone I know this is a sensitive subject and is an ongoing affair. But lets keep things civil.

NO PROFANITY!!!! NO NAME CALLING!!! If you want to debate that is fine but do it using intellect and not a foul mouth and name calling.
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Misunderstanding.
It appears that there is a misunderstanding out there that the blowout valve in question was designed to be closed by an rov. I am pretty sure this is not the case. The valve was designed to be closed from the oil rig which is now on the bottom of the Gulf.

Some wells have these same blowout valves made so that they can be closed remotely... possibly even from shore. BP did not have this type of remotely operated valve installed because they are expensive and cost half a million dollars.
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ROV Update
Teams are working around the clock using a number of ROV's trying to close the valve.

I do not know if this has a chance to work or if it is just them doing a pointless act over and over again so that they can't be said to have not done everything possible to stop the flow.
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BOP
This has been done at these depths before. I didn't hear the guys comment, but I am willing to bet he was talking about the pollution dome not being used at this depth, not a BOP. A BOP is not just a valve or spigot on the seafloor. These things are operated on a daily basis all over the world. Every hole that has ever been punched in the seafloor has used some sort of BOP and we have never seen a failure of this magnitude. There are safeties on top of safeties.
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Pinch off
Don't know if this is possible, but couldn't a manned sub go down and possibly pinch the riser closed where it's kinked. I don't know much about how thick the pipe is or even if a mechanical claw would have enough force to crimp it, but it may be enough to at least slow down the flow. I've talked to a guy who used to work offshore, and he said the BOP is strong enough to slice the pipe when it closes. There are supposed to be 3 failsafes, with the hydrolic ram at the top to cut the riser and shut down the flow. Any truth to this?
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volunteers
I don't think i would want volunteers putting out boom right now.

TONIGHT
SOUTHEAST WINDS 20 KNOTS. SEAS 6 TO 9 FEET. SLIGHT
CHANCE OF SHOWERS
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Speculation
Just speculating as I have also run this through my head. This may not have been tried possibly because it might make things much worse if it were to burst, cut or split. It is my understanding that there are already a number of crimps in the line that are restricting the flow.
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yes
The BOP is designed to cut everything in its path to shut the well off. Every piece of equipment that is in 1000fsw or more is designed to be operated with an ROV. ROVs are the only way to do any of this work at this depth. I doubt they will try to crimp the casing, as that would make it impossible to plug the well with cement.
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just got the call
i gotta go pick up my crab traps, commercial fishing has been shut down by the gov. in zones 1 through 7. lets see how long it takes me and my family to starve.
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Thanks
Thanks for the clarification!
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Pipe it up???
Why can't BP just put a slightly larger pipe over the existing one and start sucking? Vac it all up?
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pipe over pipe
The reason they can't do that is probably because the pipes are twisted up like spagetti on the ocean floor...
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BP
As I have said before, we are doing everything we can to contain the environmental consequences of this incident. I remain absolutely determined that this will remain the case. We will do everything that we can to prevent a human tragedy from becoming a major environmental issue.
To little ,To late.
Why did BP not have a remote activated blow out preventer on this well? No one has ever had to deal w/ a spill at these depths and it seems that a major oil company would have had EVERY safety device available on this site.
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Recreational fishing closed
All fishing east of South Pass (with the exception of Lakes Borgne, Pontchartrain and Maurepas) has been shut down.

See the story on the front page (http://www.louisianasportsman.com/details.php?id=2220).
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BOPs
OK guys and gals. I used to work for Diamond Offshore for over 8 years. The BOP/Stack is roughly 30 ft tall and sits on top of the wellhead on the ocean floor. It has 3 HUGE Rams in it. (pipe rams to close around pipe, Blind rams to close off the well and Shear Rams that close and cut ANYTHING that is going down hole) There is also something on the top of it called an Annular that can close also. The BOP is operated by fluid and pressure. We had 25 tanks as a primary and 25 secondary tanks to operate the BOP. There were buttons on the rig floor, Toolpushers office, Ballast Control and also manual valves in Subsea down in the Moonpool area. The BOP has an umbilical cord which has roughly 30 connection/hoses in it. The Riser connects the rig to the BOP. it is 40-50 ft long and weighs in @ 25,000lbs a joint and is 30inches inside diameter (if i remember correctly.)
Ok now that the BOP is explained here are a few scenarios and some possible solutions.
The rig had TDed the well. They had just finished Cementing. After cementing you wait 24 hrs then pressure test. If pressure looks good you pull the Riser and the BOP, chain everything down and move the rig to another location. Most of the time while waiting on cement everyone is getting the rig ready for rig move. I read somewhere that it was 20 hours after cementing so it should have been pretty well sealed unless there was a problem with the cement (which i have seen) Halliburton was responsible for this cement job. Either way SOMEONE SOMEWHERE should have seen the pressure increase in the Riser and shut the well in. The BOPs are pulled apart EVERY time they come out the water and they are also tested several times during drilling.
Now onto Solutions....
Obviously they can\'t operate the BOP because the rig is gone. The ROV should be able to go down with another umbilical and plug into the Stack and close the BOPS via a Workboat. The problem with that is the well is gushing out creating an \'updraft\' which is making it very difficult to do. Also the Umbilical plugs in on top of the BOP which may be blocked with debris or riser.
Another option i was thinking of was if it was possible to detatch the riser on top of the BOP via ROV and try to stab another piece of riser/casing into it and try to collect out of there. Again with the updraft it will be extremely difficult and Riser/Casing isn\'t too light. If that was possible then it would be calm enough to work on the umbilical.
When they had the Blowout in the North Sea that killed over 100 ppl back in 88-89 that well took 9 months to shut off.
One other question i was wondering is WHY didn\'t they have any oil booms out around the rig while it was still up?? If it was blowing fire someone somewhere should have thought a little bit ahead about where all that oil would go when the fire went out.
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Finger pointing
Not to change the direction of the thread.On PBS,they had a lengthy discussion and press release with Jindal and others. Seemed to me there was alot of finger pointing at different agencies by Jindal. Granted,the State does have 'limited' resources to enact some action.
Now is the time for definitive LEADERSHIP to get the ball rolling. Was glad to see a little interest from Washington. Vitter was at least in Venice offering support. Mary Landrieu? Anyone seen or heard from her?
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Flow
Heard a report that the flow estimates they upgraded it to this morning were low once again. Has anyone heard that this has been confirmed? I hope these guys can get it under control soon. This is a sickening situation.
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Lordbud
Thats what I was thinking about. It seems like when the fire was going they should have started withg the booms as a just in case measure even if it was not completely sealed maybe in a U shape so that firefighter vessels could still access the rig but at least it would have beeen somewhat contained. Starting that almost a week later seems too little too late. I don't really understand the whole process but I hope they can at least get a band aid on it soon!
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no band aid
Theres no Band Aid for this BooBoo. Latest reports is 25,000 Barrels a day. Thats 1,050,000 gallons a day!! This will be the biggest man made disaster the US has ever seen. Exxon-Valdez was only 10 million gallons. Better get your kids into Bass Fishing because it will be YEARS before saltwater fishing will be the same
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few pics found
Heres a few pic I found on another website. I doubt their authenticity but it might help explain the situation. One is supposedly an ROV stabbing the hotstab to close the shear rams. Another is supposedly the Horizon BOP on deck. and last is a sketch of the recovery plan. Again, I doubt if these are actually from the horizon, but this is what this type of equipment looks like.

Sorry, the last pic of the BOP on deck won't load, keeps giving me an error.
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Sketch is real
Switzer, the sketch is from the NOAA site, and does depict one of the plans. Thanks for scratching around and helping us keep updated.
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Best Fix
Just found out the federal government found a way to stop the leak. They're going to use the rest of the blue tarps left over from Katrina to plug it up!...On a serious note once again how nice would it have been to have a nice chain of barrier islands spread along coast line preferably lined with rocks or concrete to stop storm surges and stop oil spills from entering marshes? When is everyone going to take this state seriously and realize how precious a resource LA is to the rest of the country for soo many reasons?
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Update:
Seems it has now been determined to be leaking 20 to 25 thousand barrels a day.

You guys think my son will be able to catch a speck in his lifetime on the LA coast?

He is 3.

SAD...
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More Info
CHeck this page out I found.

It is VERY informative about Well Control..

May answer alot of our questions as to whats it is like on the sea floor.

http://www.drillingformulas.com/2009/12/
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from CT Williams
To late night insomniac captains or recreational guys. There is a meeting at 7:15am Saturday in the St. B civic center to orient volunteers. We will immediately head out in boats, bring one if you have one, if not there will be a need for help. Your time/expenses will be passed to BP. I am told you will be paid. I wouldn't count on it being tomorrow, but I am told you will be paid. Call me anytime at 723-1377
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OIL SPILL
Being a Native South Louisiana resident all my life an Avid outdoorsman I certainly am worried about the impact of this spill and hopefully BP can shut this well off. Now for my beef! Now all of a sudden the Govt. is worried about our ever fading coastline because of the oil spill, they have not been worried the past 38yrs of my life of the LA coastline steadly washing away. Eventually no coastline estuaries left and the fishery dies regardless!!! I grew up on Timbalier island and fished out of Terrebonne parish and hate to see the land loss everytime I go out but the Govt. and Corp Engineers just want to do studies instead of of getting results. I hate to see the commercial industry threatned like what is taking place now. Both Recreational and Commercial fisherman need to work together with the involved parties to try and alleviate and lessen the impact of this spill. We have plenty of boats that can assist in the recovery effort what ever it takes. Point fingers later get results now whether you are a Rec/Commercial fisherman we will all be affected!! An hopefully the oil industry can learn from this incident and make themselves better because without the oil industry in South Louisiana it would be a GHOST TOWN!! Just my two cents, hopefully the IMPACT can be MINIMIZED!!!! Brandon M. Grezaffi
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A River Runs Through It.
I remember when i was young on Grand Isle , I would look over the Gulf ,while standing on the shore , and thought how beautiful this world is. I could see porpoise and birds on the water feeding, it was relaxing.I could smell the fresh sea air and knew that this Island was clean and unspoiled from pollution. From there on, I knew Grand Isle was my home and my life. I LOVE to fish and just walking on the beach in the water . That was over 40 years ago. NOw I sit here feeling RAPED by people, by Greed,by Selfishness. PARADISE LOST. We owe it to ourselves to find out who is responsible for this . Sincerly , Jason. GOD help us.
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another diaster
I just read that another digging rig has flipped over in the Gulf out of Morgan City , they have it surrounded with boom but is not a major spill yet ----------I am really starting to wonder if we are being told the whole story here , I heard a story from a friend who's friend was working on the rig off Venice and they heard two seperate explosions , all the fail safe devices didn't work , SWAT teams and armed soldiers on rigs , BP is an British based company and Britian is on our side in the war on terror , makes one wonder -----------I'd bet if nothing else that after this is all over in 10 years or so you won't be able to go within miles of any structure in the Gulf to fish or dive , kinda like they said after 911 , things will never be the same
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A Ghost Town?
Imagine for a moment, a World with NO Oil on it. Would South Louisiana still be a Ghost Town??? NO it would not be. Humans have proven, through history, to Adapt to thier surroundings. South Louisiana would actually be a Great producer of Seafood for the United States. Is this the best thing South Louisiana can produce is OIL???? Is this the best we can do???? I disagree. South Lousiana produces about 2 billion dollars in fisheries and about 3 billion in tourism. Ghost Town??????? Noway.
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Fishhflies
The other drilling rig didn't flip in the gulf it was in a navigational canal in Morgan city. It flipped because it had a water leak and took on too much water. It never spilled any oil but they put out oil booms for precautionary reasons.
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news link
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2010/04/30/am.oil.ashore.fishermen.cnn -------------------this link takes you to a bunch of other videos of the incident
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Morgan city rig
Just saying what I heard since we had an employee deliver oil boom to the site of the accident.

As soon as I figure out how to upload the pics from my phone I'll try posting them.
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DoDoPlat
The reason the 11 bodies will not be found is because I'm pretty sure there were reports they may have been near the explosion. If they were then they burned and will never be found. As for Grand Isle, paradise is not lost. There hasn't been any oil or sheen seen anywhere near there. The wind is out of the southwest today which means the slick is going away from Grand Isle. People need to quit being so negative until they have a reason to be.
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Oil movement models...
Here is an interesting model that predicts the movement of the oil slick. It really doesn't mean too much if the leak isn't plugged soon though! The longer it takes to stop the leak the more likely that there will be no escape for the Louisiana coast from Texas to Florida. We need some good luck RIGHT NOW! Keep the slick away long enough AND cap the leak ASAP!!!

http://ocg6.marine.usf.edu/~zheng/research/Oilspill_oi_0429/index.html

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BLOW!
I want to know why the U.S. NAVY doesn't just send a torpedo and blow it up?!
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crimp it
I don't see why they can't go down with a big hydrolic arm and crimp the pipe. That is easy technology and it will at least slow the leak.
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Black Gold
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Here is a quote from an article on Yahoo news --------' Although the cause of the explosion was under investigation, many of the more than two dozen lawsuits filed in the wake of the explosion claim it was caused when workers for oil services contractor Halliburton Inc. improperly capped the well — a process known as cementing. Halliburton denied it ' ------- anyone know the cementing proceed ----- I worked in the Gulf for 4 years and spent alot of time on drilling rigs and platforms , cranes were my gig but I spent alot of time with the guys that used them , from off loading supplies , stacking pipe , wirer-liners , loggers , etc , and was always tring to learn what was going on , I have been on the floor a few times when they were cementing and seem to remember that being a dangerous time but can't remember why -----I do remember they use to use explosives in one wireline operation where they blew the pipe or perferated the tubing , I think this was only when they were working on an already existing well , remember you couldn't use your radio anywhere on the structure when this was going on ----------I keep think that it isn't bad now , 2-4-6-8 weeks from now is when it will start getting bad ----------starting to wonder if living by the water's edge is even going to be possible from the smells and air quaility and the risk of a fire starting , wonder if it will come where people are made to leave ---- it is no doubt a messed up situation
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Anyone and Everyone
As far as the navy blowing it up, that would likely only make the leak flow at a much higher rate than it is now.

The use of explosives on leaking wells that are burning is so the explosion will use up the oxygen and put out the fire so that workers can get close enough to cap the well. This is an entirely different situation.
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Ironic Story
from Headline News ------------------------BP, now under federal scrutiny because of its role in the deadly Gulf of Mexico explosion and oil spill, is one of three finalists for a federal award honoring offshore oil companies for 'outstanding safety and pollution prevention.'

The winner of the award - chosen before the April 20 oil rig incident - was to be announced this coming Monday at a luncheon in Houston. But the U.S. Department of Interior this week postponed the awards ceremony, saying it needs to devote its resources to the ongoing situation resulting from the Deepwater Horizon oil rig explosion and fire.

Eleven workers are presumed dead and an estimated 5,000 barrels of oil are leaking every day from the well. The cause of the explosion is still unknown.

A spokeswoman for the Interior Department's Minerals Management Service said she did not know which of the three finalists for the non-monetary award had been selected, nor did she say whether the current circumstances could influence the decision if BP was the winner. Winners of the award are kept secret until the ceremony, she said.

The floating Deepwater Horizon rig that exploded and eventually sank 130 miles southeast of New Orleans is owned by Transocean Ltd., a Swiss company, but was under contract with BP. The U.S. Coast Guard has termed BP the 'responsible party.' In U.S. Coast Guard parlance, 'responsible party' typically means the entity that owns the vessel that caused the spill and is responsible for responding to an incident.

It does not imply criminal negligence.

According to a Department of Interior's website, BP Exploration & Production Inc. is one of three finalists for a Safety Award for Excellence, which honors companies for 'outstanding safety and pollution prevention performance by the offshore oil and gas industry.' The other nominees are ExxonMobil Corp. and Eni US Operating Co. BP specifically was nominated in the High OCS Activity Operator category, for companies engaged in operations on the outer continental shelf.

The Minerals Management Service was to name the winner of the award at the 2010 Offshore Technology Conference in Houston next week. The annual award is an engraved plaque and a letter of citation, both signed by a Department of Interior official.

The awards program is intended to elevate awareness of safety and pollution and prevention, encourage voluntary compliance, educate the public and encourage excellence in safety and pollution prevention, the department says.

The program began in 1999, and is for a company's performance the previous year. British Petroleum has won the award once before, in 1992.

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DoDoPlat
Hey DoDo try running a boat without oil. I am not saying that the fishing industry isn't important. It is! It is how many of respectable hard working people make their living. I take nothing away from yall and have nothing negative to say about yall. But try using a sail instead of a motor to realize how important the oilfield is... It is a silly discussion at a time like this, but I just had to respond. Fact is without the fishing industry we would just eat more beef. Without the oil industry we would be living just like they did in the 1700s. The oil industry was the backbone of the industial revolution.
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Interesting
I just looked at the NOAA graphic showing where the slick should be today, and it still apparently hasn't hit the interior of the Delacroix/Hopedale marshes. In fact, oil has only hit the beaches at Venice, the lower Chandeleur Islands and looks like one of the islands in Breton Sound.

The prediction is that oil will begin hitting the outer marshes of the Biloxi marsh tomorrow.

Will we gt lucky and have it miss some of our marsh altogether?
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Think!
Oh yeah,We might get lucky and it might not get everywhere this weekend!But,By time they stop it(If they can stop it)I am afraid that it will be everywhere!!Lets hope for the best!
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Photos of Incident
Here's a link that has quite a few photos and includes a movie of the ROV trying to activate the BOP. It also has a graphic that shows the relationship of the sunken rig, the casing, and the BOP as they lay on the seafloor.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/uscgd8/4552485336/in/set-72157623940838176/

To the right of the big photo there are thumbnails with arrows under them to advance or back up to the next or previous photo.
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bad info
There is a lot of bad info out there. The pictures that I posted earlier were, in fact, doctored pics. Alot of the pics on the net are not of this particular BOP, but of similar units.

I wouldn't believe half of the things that you are hearing. Especially off the news. I know for fact they are screwing the reports up bad.

Whats the news on the volunteer help? Hopefully I will be home next week. I have a 24' work barge and can help out if necessary. Is there a campground somewhere down there to park a camper? Any info will be appreciated. What gear do we need, place to stay, landings, fuel, food, etc.
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Obama headed south
LouisianaSportsman.com moderator meauxjeauxx2 just called from Plaquemines Parish and said the presidential motorcade just passed him heading to Venice. It'll be interesting to hear reports of his visit there - I'm almost sure the prez has never seen a place like that. LOL

Meauxjeauxx2 has spent the day hanging out at Venice Marina, and said none of the captains there said they have yet to see any oil - and some of them have been out to Breton Island.
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MoJo was here!
MoJo stayed here at the JLT Lodge last night with us. Then he ventured on to Venice but not before I showed him exactly what I posted earlier today about no damage being done(at least for right now) with the oil spill. You may want to re-read that post I made, as MoJo was 'enlightned' to say the least of my opinions prior to leaving here to go to the Circus at Venice!!
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Liberal media hype
Posting I traffic getting ready to cross the causeway.
Yes CAPT.JLT and good friend of mine put me up for the night and be tried to warn me about the circus down in Venice but I just had to go see for myself.

One word of advice.

Do not listen to one word the liberal media is trying to feed us.
Coming straight from the mouths of our own charter captains things are not anyway near as bad as the liberal media is try g to get us to believe.

No oil covered sea turtles ETC.

Keep hope guys.
I'm out.

MOJO
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Animated spill link
liberal news photoshop propoganda ?????? , it looks like the sky is about to fall to me !!!!!! , hit the play icon on the first map ----- http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/05/gulf_of_mexico_oil_spill_anima.html
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??
How long and where did you fly MoJo?Now 5,000 barrels a day is really not that bad??
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Flying?
For one,I do have an airplane and am in the process of photographing every square inch of coastline from panama city fla. to vermillion bay.

This weekend I wanted to get down there and hear what our local charter fishermen were seeing.

I posted a report from their first hand experiences.

Now I understand that with that much oil pouring out still that things can change bit this is what's going on right now.

MOJO
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What to expect
I am trying to think ahead of this spill and be ready , and something that is bothering me is when the oil gets into the canals of Oak Harbor , Eden Isles , etc ,which I think is enevitable , do you think they will force evacuations for either the heatlh factor of breathing the fumes or the hazzard of fire breaking out on the water , or do you think it will even be livable
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just a prediction
The oil will never reach you there. Oil booms will be put up and the oil will not reach up the rigolets and other waterways leading out of Lake Borne north.

The winds are suppose to start laying down and clean up, burning and containment should get a whole lot easier by no later than Tuesday.

The devastation that is predicted will never materialize for Louisiana.

Alabama and Florida will probably get hit the hardest. How hard that will be depends on how well they can contain the oil at the site and burn or skim it when things calm down.

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Does oil kill grass?
'This has potential to alter ecosystem for the rest of my fishing/hunting life . While the shrimp, fish, and waterfowl can recover, the worst case scenario, by far, is if the oil kills the grasses. The roots of the grasses are what holds the marsh together.....that is it....the whole dang marsh we walked on is just a huge floating mudpie held together by the root systems of marshgrass. If the grasses are killed the marsh erodes away to open water in just a few years (or 1 day in a hurricane) and that is the end of it. A huge fish/bird/shrimp kill is bad but temporary....if you start seeing thousands of acres of dead brown grass on tv then it is a permanent catastrophe. Keep in mind that this also has the potential to be not near as bad as advertised. The worst case scenarios are just that, worst case. If they cap the thing soon the spill is just a wake up call to the oil industry and huge moneymaker for many. The media is in full 'crisis sells' mode and everyone is rightfully worried, but the fact is with some calm weather coming up it is very possible they can cap the thing. I just don't see worst case happening. '

Above was letter sent to out of state friends and I have a question for the knowledgeable scientists/biologists on here.
QUESTION: Does oil kill saltgrass/wiregrass/spartina the way Roundup kills weeds in my garden, ie. all the way dead to the root? Or would it just go brown for a while and then come back like after the saltburn of katrina?
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Rumor
Just a rumor but this might be how the explosion happened. Blow out occurs, electricity is shut off on the rig to avoid an explosion, generators kicked on and BOOM!

This is supposedly what happend via a recreational tuna fisherman that was fishing at that rig that night.

Good news. Although the waves are still about 9 footers right now, the size of the waves should steadily drop all night and tomorrow. Recovery of oil should be made much more effective and hopefully fires and containent booms at the scene of the leak will soon be deployed.
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dont believe the hype!!!
I dont trust the media, the Federal Govt and I damn sure dont trust personal injury lawyers..the hype is what is bad for business..its shamelful that bad news sells and creates panic which creates momentum in the markets..get ready for 100$ oil..

I am always weary of a media that continues to measure all spills in gallons ignoring the industry standard which is a barrel (42 gallons)

Beware of a media that equates the size of the spill to the size of the sheen...these dopes will be waiting into next week for any spill to make it onshore..I have been hearing it was supposed to be onshore within the hour since 600pm last Wednesday. I doubt very seriously the thick gooey residual we associate with oil spills covers the size of Peurto Rico too..go drop a teaspoon of any hydrocarbon in an olympic pool and see how big the sheen gets with any kind of wind to distribute it..then do a comparison of the volumes..solution to pollution is dillution..the ocean is very vast..and thankfully the fish I like to catch/release or eat have tails and swim deep and fast..

Beware of a media that quotes uneducated experts who have lawsuits pending settlement..I have to admit that I am getting a kick out of the familiar names I see in AP articles..same jerks who left their boats in the slips before Katrina hit only to collect insurance settlements while the rest of us honest jerks got to absorb it in increased premiums..I dont care what they think of me, I have integrity..never cheated on my taxes or pulled insurance scams when I guided full time.

It is terrible that 11 people died..but are we going to stop new drilling because of a 1 in a billion accident? Every 5 minutes someone dies on a US Hwy or US rd are we going ot close the roads? When I worked for Schlumberger they told us the most dangerous part of our job was driving our cars to the dock..

Its a shame we take a reactionary position to accidents as smart as we are to overengineer things..No doubt this will take a multi billion dollar company down..Same company that absorbed Amoco and fired a bunch of people..I got no love for them..

Lest we forget how durable this area is and how tough its people are? According to some old timers the beaches from Cameron to Grand Isle were black with oil the early part of WW2 with littel cleanup effort after German Uboats sunk 50 plus oil tankers leaving TX and LA ports?...

The river is at a high stage right? I doubt very seriously the ecosystem there will be inundated with oil and if it gets in the grass all we have to do is burn it and within weeks the marsh grass will grow back..the only way to kill the marsh is to erode it! I doubt any of the interior bays so vital to reporoduction will be as adversely affected as the tree huggers say..1 bird covered with oil and I got to see a team of people washing duck decoys?

Let's also not forget the source is 52 miles off the nearest pass..Loop current from WSW taking it away from LA..by the time it hits land the majority of the VOC/Aromatics will have evaporated leaving a tar like residual and emulsion..

I think it sucks the passes are closed and areas are shut off to fishing..that alone hurts the charter fisherman and commercial fisherman..they will have a legitimate claim..beware of slick talking lawyers though..they got a lay up case and still want 40% continguiency fee? I had one jerk from Baton Rouge call me at 3:05am to try and sign me up..I love the fact a team of them were down in Venice dressed like fisherman trying to collect signatures..a couple dopes appearently signed the papers without reading them...

Dont expect a huge settlement if your lawyer pal passes you down the trough cashing out in the process and leaving you $5.15 in a multilevel class action settlement in the end 10 years from now..

And dont expect to get closer than 1 mile to a floater in the future..

All this doom and gloom is bad for business and the way we went about harvesting renewable and non renewable natural resources..Ambulance chasers and liberals are the only winners here..I shut the TV off a few days ago after seeing the dog and pony show for myself in Venice last week..I took the whole week off to kill as many flounder as I could because I love the taste when fried in butter and topped with crabmeat. Hope I get to do it again soon!
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Wosrt case
I read where the booms can only hold oil up to 2 knots of tide flow/water movement and that the Rigolets has the highest mph tide flow of any pass in Louisiana which can reach 10mph and the booms won't work there when the water is moving and it would take more of a curtain as the oil will be pushed under the booms ----------- their estimate of 90 days to cap leaves 78 more days of flow unless an alternate plan develops and works , I am thinking a worst case senerio and it seems that it isn't too far fetched that relocation of north shore water front property could be a possibility either mandatory or electively
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Yes but...
Yes that may be the flow in the rigolets itself but an arc of booms that or out in Lake Borne and toughing the shore further out on each side would not have to deal with that current speed.

Also the Mississippi River and all of the outlets will likely provide a good bit of protection as well by pushing the oil to the west when it does get close enough to be a problem.

Conversely I think the Chandeluer Islands will get pretty much what everyone has been fearing would happen as far west as Mexico.
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mississippi river
The river is about to really jump up.this should help to push the oil away.its suppose to go up to about 15'at new orleans so it should really help.keep our fingers crossed.
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what happened
http://www.marklevinshow.com/Article.asp?id=1790422&spid=3236
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Thank you Capt Scott
The only way to guarantee no pollution is to resort back to the ways of the stone age.

This mess however long it will take will get cleaned up and everything will rebound.

I was reading the other day about the effect of new 'green' chemicals. One popular series of green chemicals are common surfactants used in the oil industry and in your household products that are derived from coconut oils. So now to produce these 'green' nearly all natural surfactants, oils and other products, a ton of rainforest was wiped out to plant groves of palm trees. Now you tell me what will leave the greatest carbon footprint, factories and chemical plants producing other products, or eliminating thousands of acres of rainforest to produce 'green' products.

No matter how hard you try, everyone makes mistakes, and believe me BP will pay for this mistake. Do you think this is good for their business? I just know that I wouldn't want to have to be the guy that has to make the decision when to push that button to close the shear rams. I'm not sure how much money it would take to recover from that, and with no proof of what would have happened had you not pushed it. I think we just need to be patient to see what really happened, prepare for the worst, but also realize its not the end of the world.
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Clean up
I just found this on WAFB.com

Man thinks his product could solve oil spill problem
Posted: May 02, 2010 5:41 PM CDT
Updated: May 02, 2010 5:41 PM CDT
More 9News HeadlinesObama calls leak 'unique and unprecedented'Man thinks his product could solve oil spill problemObama vows to do everything 'humanly possible' on spillNOAA closes fishing from LA to FL due to spillFisherman expresses his love for his craftAttorneys general in 5 states eye legal strategy for oil spillVoters renew tax millages and elect officialsEPA ramps up air quality monitoring for oil spill2 killings overnight in New OrleansWoman dies in fiery Shreveport crashBy Steve Caparotta - bio | email

VENICE, LA (WAFB) - On a day when President Barack Obama's visit to the Louisiana coast was the main headline, weather continued to hamper efforts to contain the oil slick offshore and a Livingston Parish man claimed he is selling a product that can stem the tide of oil headed toward the coast, even in the ongoing rough seas.

Kevin Barbier of Denham Springs works for IND-TEK Solutions, Inc. He is trying to push a product he thinks could be the answer to the massive oil spill threatening the Gulf Coast.

He said the product, called Oil Spill Eater, works by causing natural bacteria in the water to rapidly grow when mixed with the solution.

The bacteria then essentially consume the oil, leaving no harmful elements behind.

Barbier added Oil Spill Eater has another big advantage over the dispersants being currently used.

'It will also cause the oil spill to rise above the water level, so you're not damaging the water table, whereas the dispersants are going to sink it and it's going to pass right through the water table and kill everything it comes in contact with,' Barbier explained.

Click here for more on Oil Spill Eater

Copyright 2010 WAFB. All rights reserved.

A link to OSEI http://www.osei.us/
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Capt. Scott
Thanks Capt Scott. Hearing your take certainly makes me feel a little better about the situation. My friend Capt.Scott from Lafayette worked for you and told me you were a straight shooter. I wish that more of the people that have your stance would have the opportunity to say a few words. The news media says what the 'man' want to hear.
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oil spill
Why not round up tarp's from NFL fields sew them together,tow them out over the worst leak's anchor the edge's. Make a dome over the top with hose's to suck up as much as possible? Or will the current's be too much?Just another stupid idea
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Ponder this!
What is one the worst case senario for winds we could have for Louisiana. Lets see, SouthEast or East winds and fast. Well we just went through stronger sustained Southeast Winds than we are likely to face again till the winter and the oil didn't reach us hardly at all. I think we will be all right in Louisiana.
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Ambulance chasers
CAPT. Scott , you are speaking the truth and many believe you.
Thank you for your honesty.

My take on it is,if things really end up being as bad as they say,there's nothing we are doing now that could have changed things for the better in the future.
I sat at cypress co e and the other 3 marinas on Venice today watching the very thing you posted about.
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closure area seems subjective
For those wondering, the closed area runs east of the Mississippi River, then to an arbritary region in the Bienvenue area, then parallels the Lake Borgne shoreline. Some of this is obviously rushed and not well-thought out. Why is some of the intercoastal open and other spots closed? Why is fishing Lake Borgne legal but not its marsh? I suspect this will get changed soon.

A map of the closed area is at: http://www.wlf.louisiana.gov/pdfs/news/FISHING-CLOSURE.gif

More detailed information is at: http://www.wlf.louisiana.gov/

Note that, for the time being, Lake Pontchartrain is open.
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Wind is turning to the west
Checked wind gauges all over and stepped outside for a minute. All were westerly now. Should help the current get the main body of the oil clear of us for now. As for what long term effects all this will have who knows? What I do know is katrina put a ton of oil out there and the marsh survived. Murphy dumped inches of oil in the cow pastures and woods around Meraux and the plants grew back. This will be a headache for the summer and an ongoing nightmare for oysterman but it is not an apocalypse so far. Now if it really takes 90 days to get a handle on the source then all bets are off. Hopefully the sub surface dispersant really is working and the domes will work. If so I think we might see pretty minimal impacts. All we can do is wait and see. I think going forward we need more ability to respond to blowouts at these extreme depths if we are to keep drilling where only robots can go.
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On the Ball
You'll search the entire media in utter, utter vain for reports on the spill as timely, insightful and--I daresay--as accurate as those on this LS site.

I expected no less from LS editors, field reporters--and especially!--readers.
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News
I dont even google the news for this anymore.

Why is it impossible to find a CURRENT map of the oil slick? Isnt where it is at and where it is going is the most important issue?

Everyone, please keep posting news, as for many of us, this thread is the only news we are reading now..
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Maps form LSU
try www.wwltv.com they have a series of sat maps from LSU. They are pretty encouraging with the main body of the oil moving slightly eastward despite the recent SE winds.
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Thumbs Up
Thumbs up to ExxonMobil as their suggestion on subsurface dispersant application appears to be helping the situation tremendously... at least that is how it currently looks. The area of thick oil is not getting larger and I think has actually shrunk.

Winds are calming down and recovery efforts should that have been hampered by large waves should begin in earnest now if they haven't already.

Last night it looked like Louisiana would largely be spared and states to the east would have to bite the bullet and deal with the oil. With a little bit of luck it looks like they may be spared as well if collection efforts are successful.

Make no mistake about it you will see on the major networks pictures of oil on Florida beaches at some point. But hopefully it will be a situatation where it is just small remnant patches that escaped recovery.

Nobody is out of the woods yet but at least there is reason to believe that we all (Louisiana to Florida) have a shot at escaping this thing with only a few minor environmental bumps and bruises.
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Location of Booms
Does anyone know if there is a source to find out the locations of where the booms have been placed in the Delacroix/Hopedale areas?
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Optimistic
Now Mike, how dare you be so optimistic at times like this. Bet you won't hear anything close to this on the news anytime soon.
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Hopedale
Got a report from a charter friend who heard that the sheen is creeping into the Machias/Fortuna area in Hopedale. He did not see this for himself, but was told that this is the case. Does anyone know if this is true? It's hard to find concrete information on what's exactly happening.
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New oil spill forum
We've set up a dedicated oil spill category for all threads related to this disaster. Please help us keep the site organized by using this new forum when discussing all matters related to the Deepwater Horizon disaster.

Thanks.
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updates
My dad and several freinds have been putting out boom outside of St. Bernard Parish in Black Bay. As of yesterday, he told me that there was no sign of oil in black bay.I will be sure to keep everyone updated so that you can have some factual info. I dont know if he as seen oil yet today, but I will post later and let everyone know.We need more boom, and we need it in a hurry.
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Next step.
This is some information on the collection apparatus BP has constructed:

Subsea Oil Recovery System is a large structure that can be placed over the largest leak source in the Transocean Deepwater Horizon Rig. The system is designed to collect hydrocarbons from the well and pump them to a tanker at the surface, where they will be stored and safely shipped ashore. Weather permitting, deployment of the system is planned within the next six to eight days.

How it works
• The system is made up of a 125-ton, 14’ x 24’ x 40’ structure that will be set on top of the largest leak source. This leak is located at the end of the riser, about 600 feet from the wellhead.

• Equipment at the top of the system is connected to a 5,000 foot riser that will convey the hydrocarbons to the surface ship, the Deepwater Enterprise.

• Once in place, oil will flow up into the containment system’s dome to the surface ship.

• Once on the surface ship, the hydrocarbons will be processed and oil will be separated from water and gas. The oil will then be temporarily stored before being offloaded and shipped to a designated oil terminal onshore.

• The Deepwater Enterprise is capable of processing 15,000 barrels of oil per day and storing 139,000 barrels.

• A support barge will also be deployed with a capacity to store 137,000 barrels of oil.

• This system could collect as much as 85% of oil rising from the seafloor.

How it was developed
• This is the first time this system will be used at this water depth.

• To develop the system, BP quickly located existing structures that had previously been used as coffer dams in shallow water recovery efforts after Hurricane Katrina.

• After Katrina, these structures were lowered over damaged wellheads to allow divers to repair wellheads.

• BP engineers have worked closely with the firm Wild Well Controls, Inc. to convert these structures for use in deep waters.

What’s next
• This system is being fabricated in Louisiana and will be transported to the Deepwater Enterprise.

• Once on site, the system will be lowered to the seabed.

• ROVs will monitor the installation and will complete connections to the riser (tubing).

• Because of the weight of the structure and the muddy conditions at the sea bottom, “mud flaps” have been added to the sides of the structure. These flaps enable the structure to settle into the sea bottom and complete the enclosure.
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Oil now at Chandeleur Islands
The Sun Herald is reporting (with photographic proof) that the oil has reached the Chandeleur Islands.
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progress
Thanks for the update but man it just seems that this could be done quicker. They need to put it on a destroyer so they can get it there even faster.
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BARATARIA BAY GRAND ISLE
Has the spill reached grand isle.
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Some Hope
I, like most that have been raised on these bayous, have become nervous and depressed about this catastrophe. But after reading this article, maybe there will still be fish and wildlife after they hopefully get everything under control.
http://www.aolnews.com/the-grid/article/the-grid-charting-the-worlds-worst-oil-spills/19457792
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No
No the oil has not reached grand isle and it never will.
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BP's Efforts
Hey guys, just wanted to share this with you to show you some of the efforts BP is putting fourth. I know many are upset and worried and you have every right to be. But BP is not sitting on their butts during this time. Click on the link for a few videos.

http://clients.world-television.com/bp_media_coverage/
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Today
My company (again name withheld) has people on the Enterprise as we speak. The DD3 and the Q-4000 are also in route to the location. I sent tools to the BP PMF in Schriever this morning for a test lift on a riser part. People not in the know are asking 'What is taking so long?' With a recovery in water this deep, it is new to everyone. There are tests that have to be done. There are factors to consider. If you have never worked offshore, you would be amazed by the ammount of current they have off the mouth of the river. For the first 200 feet or so the current may be 10 knots. After that it may be 40 knots in a different direction. Divers cant get down 5000', so everything has to be done with a robot submarine the size of an office desk with the operator looking at a computer screen. Also no one wants to rush somthing that may make things worse. While the riser/dome containment is a really good idea, there is still a 20% chance that it will not go as planned. With mother nature nothing is 100%. I just hope and pray that everything goes according to plan, and we can get this under control before it is too late. And we need to keep the Faithful 11 and their famlies in our hearts and prayers.
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question for ya
Brandon Cormier, Andy and others had reported a week before the 'dome' would be used. I also read yesterday that the first one had been completed already. Is it complete. Is it on the scene? When might it be deployed for use and not just testing?
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Dome
According to last nights news, The dome is supposed to be heading out today. They mentioned a 72 hour period for it to be in place if I understood right.
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This Morning
I heard this morning that the first of the containment 'dome' was completed. The domes (all 3) could be installed as early as Friday if progress continues like it is going. The test lift of the riser part is underway right now at the facility in Schriever, which is the command center for all containment operations.
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Fingers Crossed... thanks
Thanks for the update. It was reported that the first containment dome will be on the worst leak and if all goes well will remove 85% of the leaking oil.
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Picture
Ok guys here is a close up picture of the rig the night of the explosion. This says it all.
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Q4000
If there was ever a bunch of guys that could get this done it would be them. Great bunch of guys, most from Louisiana and Mississippi, and they will fight this tooth and nail.
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Fish closure news
The fishing closure will likely be lengthy. Check out the front-page interview with LDWF Secretary Robert Barham for details.

Direct link is www.louisianasportsman.com/details.php?id=2222.
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Clarification
Trout Master Ed Sexton just pointed out that there's a discrepency on the LDWF Web site regarding the fisheries closure.

I called the agency's Marianne Burke, and she said to disregard the graphic (which shows the closure extending from the Mississippi state line to Southwest Pass).

The fisheries closure only extends to the east side of South Pass.

We'll stay on top of things and post any changes.
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SAR image of spill
An unusual type of satellite technology known as Synthetic Aperture Radar shows the thicker parts of the oil leak well.

It probably doesn't show the thin sheen which surround the thicker area.
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Couple of updates
Word is one of the three leaks has been closed, and the first of the underwater bells is supposed to be heading out to the spill location today (although it sounds like it won't be fully deployed until the end of the weekend).

Unfortunately, even with the one closed leak, BP officials are saying the amount of oil flowing into the Gulf is higher than they expected.
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Passed up a discovery this size?
Forgive my ignorance...It is my understanding that BP was cementing in this well and abandoning it, per industry standards. How in the world could they do this with this much oil and gas already drilled to and through? Again, please forgive my ignorance to oil drilling procedures.
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not abandoning
The Horizon was a drilling rig. The drilling rig drills the well, finds the oil/gas and then caps the well and moves on. Then a production rig moves in, pipelines are run, and they produce the gas/oil and send it to the refineries.

Big difference between a drilling rig and a production rig/platform.
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plug
They had actually plugged the well, but it was intended to be a temporary plug untill a production unit could be moved onto location.The cement that was pumped was to secure the production pipe in place.
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A second bird recovering
Well the end is near. The feared and predicted apocalypse has finally become a reality. A second bird, this time a pelican has been found coated with some oil. The bird is being cleaned like the first, and will be released back into the wild. The end is near.

That said, the oil is still flowing and although hope of a closure in a few days is still just a hope, the threat of oil washing ashore in Alabama or somewhere near by grows great and more and more immanent.

But the amount of panic, shock and horror nears to be put back into perspective. Over reaction has ruled the day.

Oil is NOT radioactive and any beaches that do get oil will not be destroyed forever. And this oil is not particularly toxic either from what I have read. We got luck on the type of oil in that sense of the how bad is it equation.

Burning should begin today, if it hasn't already. Skimmers are skimming also. It would be good to know where the skimmers are located are they all near the leak or or maybe some of them also working the outer edges of the heavy oil closest to shore???
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One Thing to Remember !!
For the next few years after all this is over with !! be sure to carry a BIG Jug of GO-JO with you !! it gunna be like it was years ago when they used to blow at night ! lots and lots of Tar balls on the beachs and on the Islands, and you gotta clean those feet (and the kids hands ect) Before you get in the car !! LOL, Im sorta kidding I hope this is all we get !! Capt Bob
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No Plug
The well was not plugged. The 7 inch 'Production liner' which is just 7 in casing was ran downhole and cemented in. Offshore you wait 24 hrs then pressure test the cement job/casing. 20 hours into the job is when it all got ugly. For some reason they displaced the riser with seawater instead of leaving the drilling mud in it. We always displaced AFTER the casing test not before. They opened the Annulars on top the BOP (which shows the BOP was functioning) and gas was sitting there on top the well. The kick came up thru the riser and BOOM. heres a few ?s NOBODY has yet to ask. 'If the cement job was good then why was there gas sitting under the annular?' 'Why was nobody at the trip tank watching returns when the Annulars were opened?' (when you get a kick coming up you would have a serious flow increase) 'Why was the Choke and Kill lines not displaced with seawater and then opened to check for gas first before opening the annulars?' 'Why was the Shear rams not activated immediately when seawater shot out of the rig floor and up close to 300 ft to the crown of the derrick?'
These are the questions that need to be asked at these conferences to find out exactly what happened. More than likely you will find 2 things.... 1. The Cement job did not hold because after cementing gas was able to come back up the wellbore and collect under the Annular and 2. Human Error. The Riser should have been full of drilling mud still in case they took a kick it would have slowed it down on its way up. The Choke and Kill lines should have been pumped with seawater first and then opened to see if gas would come back up. The Shear Rams should have been closed IMMEDIATELY when seawater began coming out of the drill floor. Someone should have been monitoring the trip tank for gains coming back in case the cement job did not hold.(either the camera in drillers shack or with someone there in person). The Annulars should not have been opened until pressure testing of the well/cement/casing was conducted.
Its been a while since i took Well Control classes but I think this is pretty close. anyone else have any comments?? feel free to chime in
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Some info
You may have heard the news in the last two days about the Deepwater Horizon drilling rig which caught fire, burned for two days, then
sank in 5,000 ft of water in the Gulf of Mexico. There are still 11 men missing, and they are not expected to be found.

The rig belongs to Transocean, the world’s biggest offshore drilling contractor. The rig was originally contracted through the year 2013 to BP and was working on BP’s Macondo exploration well when the fire broke out. The rig costs about $500,000 per day to contract. The full drilling spread, with helicopters and support vessels and other services, will cost closer to $1,000,000 per day to operate in the course of drilling for oil and gas. The rig cost about $350,000,000 to build in 2001 and would cost at least double that to replace today.

The rig represents the cutting edge of drilling technology. It is a floating rig, capable of working in up to 10,000 ft water depth. The rig is not moored; It does not use anchors because it would be too costly and too heavy to suspend this mooring load from the floating
structure. Rather, a triply-redundant computer system uses satellite positioning to control powerful thrusters that keep the rig on station within a few feet of its intended location, at all times. This is called Dynamic Positioning.

The rig had apparently just finished cementing steel casing in place at depths exceeding 18,000 ft. The next operation was to suspend the
well so that the rig could move to its next drilling location, the idea being that a rig would return to this well later in order to complete the work necessary to bring the well into production.

It is thought that somehow formation fluids – oil /gas – got into the wellbore and were undetected until it was too late to take action. With a floating drilling rig setup, because it moves with the waves, currents, and winds, all of the main pressure control equipment sits on the seabed – the uppermost unmoving point in the well. This pressure control equipment – the Blowout Preventers, or ‘BOP’s” as they’re
called, are controlled with redundant systems from the rig. In the event of a serious emergency, there are multiple Panic Buttons to hit,
and even fail-safe Deadman systems that should be automatically engaged when something of this proportion breaks out. None of them
were aparently activated, suggesting that the blowout was especially swift to escalate at the surface. The flames were visible up to about 35 miles away. Not the glow – the flames. They were 200 – 300 ft high.

All of this will be investigated and it will be some months before all of the particulars are known. For now, it is enough to say that this marvel of modern technology, which had been operating with an excellent safety record, has burned up and sunk taking souls with it.
The well still is apparently flowing oil, which is appearing at the surface as a slick. They have been working with remotely operated
vehicles, or ROV’s which are essentially tethered miniature submarines with manipulator arms and other equipment that can perform work
underwater while the operator sits on a vessel. These are what were used to explore the Titanic, among other things. Every floating rig
has one on board and they are in constant use. In this case, they are deploying ROV’s from dedicated service vessels. They have been
trying to close the well in using a specialized port on the BOP’s and a pumping arrangement on their ROV’s. They have been unsuccessful
so far. Specialized pollution control vessels have been scrambled to start working the spill, skimming the oil up.

In the coming weeks they will move in at least one other rig to drill a fresh well that will intersect the blowing one at its pay zone. They will use technology that is capable of drilling from a floating rig, over 3 miles deep to an exact specific point in the earth – with a target radius of just a few feet plus or minus. Once they intersect their target, a heavy fluid will be pumped that exceeds the formation’s pressure, thus causing the flow to cease and rendering the well safe at last. It will take at least a couple of months to get this done, bringing all available technology to bear. It will be an ecological disaster if the well flows all of the while; Optimistically, it could bridge off downhole.

It’s a sad day when something like this happens to any rig, but even more so when it happens to something on the cutting edge of our capabilities. The photos that follow show the progression of events over the 36 hours from catching fire to sinking.
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A few more
Here ya go
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not from the oil spill
After careful examination, NOAA scientists do not believe that these sea turtle strandings are related to the oil spill. 10 necropsies so far have been performed and none of those ten turtles showed evidence of having been harmed by the oil.
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Fishing
(SSShhh....The trout bite is finally on!)
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turtle may have ingested oil
I wouldn't dismiss oil killing the turtles, they may have ingested oil products when they came up for air. They won't know that for another two weeks. Also, on TV today a reporter went on a boat, and you could see a turtle in the oil slick in clear distress.

I wouldn't give BP the benefit of doubt for anything right now.

What's sad is that some are blaming shrimpers for not using the TED device for killing the turtles. That video suggests otherwise.
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why is death from oil worse than death by other causes?
Necropsies have been done on ten of the turtles and none showed any sign of death by oil so far. This includes ingestion.

My point is oil slicks are being blamed on this disaster even where this oil has never been. Any animal that dies is going to have died because of the oil, Seafood buyers are avoiding the seafood despite the fact that contaminated areas are closed to fishing.

No doubt some animals will die from this. But I killed five deer this year from lead poisoning from my 30-06. It isn\'t the death that is bad unless it comes from evil oil.
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amen brother!
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OIL SLICK FOURCHON
Just read the slick reported to hit Venice and Port Fourchon by Friday...and the beat goes on
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New closure, no oil at Grand Isle
Offshore shrimping between Southwest Pass to the easern shore line of Four Bayou will close at 6 p.m. today. No recreational closure has been announced, but there is the potential, according to LDWF officials.

Read the front-page story at www.louisianasportsman.com/details.php?id=2224.

Also, Grand Isle Mayor David Carmadelle said there has been no oil found near the island - and invites anglers down for the weekend. That story is also on the front page, or at www.louisianasportsman.com/details.php?id=2223.
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west of Louisiana too
Hate to keep being the pessimistic, but there is good reason to think the oil will go west of the river. NOAA is showing this as a possibility three days from now.

But, forget about the models. If the oil is out there for several months, why shouldn't it eventually go west of the river? There are westerly currents out there, and eventually we will get a strong east wind too.

By the way, Captain Pappy Kennedy took some media out yesterday, and found the oil sheen around Freemason and the Chandeleur Islands. His report is at RNR. The situation is worse than many people are lead to believe. I just hope enough marine eggs (which float on the surface) survive for next year.
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BAAAAD NEWS!
Just read Andy's front page report on the LDWF commission meeting - closure of shrimping west of the river to Four Bayou (just east of Grand Isle) - doesn't sound good at all. My bet is LDWF will close recreational fishing from the river to Four Bayou soon. This same scenario played out east of the river - shrimp and oyster closing followed by recreational fishing closure in that area. I don't know about you guys, but I'm going fishing this weekend. See you in Grand Isle!

http://www.louisianasportsman.com/details.php?id=2224.
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who knows??
nobody really knows where the oil is going. East, west, south, north. It was supposed to be covering the beaches in pensacola on monday. No oil there. These predictions are just frustrating the heck out of me. I'm headed to Golden Meadow tomorrow. Hopefully when I get there I will be able to fish.
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Hopefully just a precaution
The oil has moved to the west a bit and projections show it moving more to the west than it already has. But what you aren't hearing is that the oil 'appears' to be stopping at the convergence zone. So that means the majority of the water flowing down the Mississippi River goes out the mouth of Southwest Pass and it just might be forming a natural barrier to the westward movement of the oil.

Keep saying some prayers and keep your fingers crossed.

Also the first of the three cofferdam containment devices is being put in place to day. It will not however immediately stop the leakage of oil into the gulf. Before that happens they will have to connect the riser to it. That could take a few days supposedly.

They are saying as late as Monday but I am hoping for Saturday or even (gasp) sometime Friday.
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Media Hype
I have customers calling to cancel rooms because they think oil is on the beaches. Maybe there should be a class action suit against the media for all the false info driving customers away from the beaches and from eating Louisiana seafood.
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Hopefully ...
Man, let's hope the so-called coffer dams they're going to begin positioning this weekend works. The flow of oil HAS to be stemmed for things to begin looking up.
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Barartaria Bay Grand Isle
Will the oil spill hit GRAND ISLE
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GI not closing
The oil will not hit GI any time soon. The reason they will probably close fishing from the river to Four Bayou is they are going to be stretching oil booms from Four Bayou out into the Gulf to protect everything west of there. They can't have fishermen running all thru the booms. They will probably not have to close the inside waters. However, all bets are off if they are not able to contain the spill soon. It gets bigger every day.
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good question
bassking right now nobody knows for sure. A lot depends on the weather, a lot depends on the former cofferdam coversions they are putting in place as early as today (but not operational immediately), a lot has to do with how the oil interacts with the water flowing out of Southwest pass.

When anyone tells you they know they are only guessing even if they think they know. Noaa has predicted landfall every day for the last week. And pretty much they have been wrong each time. Oil has reached the Chandeluer Islands and possibly a little spit of land here and there along the coast south of Venice but so far that is all.

If I was a betting man I would be no landfall at Grand Isle but that would just be that... a bet.
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I'll BETCHA
$ 1.00 put up or short up. All kidding aside my overly optimistic Mike, thats a bet you will lose. Look at at the shear size of that spill. It ain't going away anytime soon. We've been lucky so far, but bad luck never sleeps, only takes short naps, and Im afraid it will awake in the not distant future. Nobody knows where its going to end up, but I guarantee it will not stay out to sea forever.
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no oil seen
I am not going to say where I was today wadefishing but I dd not see any oil in an area where it was alleged to be according to that graphic..maybe it was there at one one or a few days ago..no sign or smell either..no dead birds, catfish or dolphins...some reports of oil riplines offshore near 93 block..
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The problem is...
The problem is that some of those graphics are forcast and not actual oil leak maps. Noaa admits that they are not sure what is going to happen when the oil reaches the river water.

For those that have never been to Venice the water coming out of South pass is only a fraction of the water that exits out of Southwest pass. Here is to hoping that the River does a better job of containing the oil than the oil booms are doing.

Booms are not being as effective with this leak because the oil is not all just on top. And the oil is going under the booms in some areas.

Here is to hoping and PRAYING that the thicker oil doesn't cross the Southwest pass flow.
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Four Bayou
Where exactly is Four Bayou?

I can't get down until next weekend, and I am trying to figure out how it will affect my area if they do close recreational fishing for the area mentioned.

I fish the Catfish Lake/Bayou Blue/North end of Raccourci area.
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Location
Four Bayou Pass is located to the east of Grand Terre Island (which is just to the east of Grand Isle).

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4 Bayou Pass
4 bayou Pass is a few miles East of Grand Isle. Its is on the eastern side of the Barataria Islands. This closure won't affect the area you are interested in at all.
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Editorial: More fishing closures expected
LouisianaSportsman.com Editorial: More fising closures likely
'Now is the time to be fishing the fertile waters stretching from the Mississippi River’s South Pass to Four Bayou Pass, as Deepwater Horizon’s oily fingers are turning westward to raise the distinct possibility of recreational fisheries closures as early as next week.

We believe, based on discussions with those tasked with managing the state’s fisheries, that Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries officials will simply have no choice but to extend as far west as Four Bayou the closures already in effect along most of the river’s east side.'

Read the full editorial at www.louisianasportsman.com/details.php?id=2225.
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last statement
i totally agree with the last statement of the editorial. if commercial fisherman are put out of fishing for an extended period of time, they will leave to find other work, and finding replacements will be next to impossible. i find one thing humorous, isn't jerald horst the same guy that touted hard heads as tastier than trout? don't know how much stock i can put into his opinion. j/k.
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Glad someone else remembers fishing around oil.
I liked what Horst had to say. I can remember fishing around heavy sheen back in the 80's. It was not my favorite but we just moved around the oil and fished (and caught fish which were delicious). I can remember distinctly the boat being very hard to clean.I'm not saying this to indicate that we should all be running around fishing in the slick just to hearten people who ask things like 'will my 3 year old son ever get to catch a speckled trout in the gulf?'. Again the marsh is dying in the long term because it is starved of the natural cycle of sediment deposition that balances the destructive forces of subsidence and wind/wave erosion. However on a day to day basis it is quite a resilient system. Think of all the marsh burning and how fast the grass grows, think of all the things (2 10ft. + storm surges ,massive oil spills, then a severe drought) that the marsh survived in 2005 and then produced a bumper crop of fish the next year. This situation sucks but peoples response has been overly emotional and not rational enough. Also as far as the dispersants are concerned I will point out that most of the spill and thus the dispersant is in extremely deep water outside of the habitat of shrimp and crabs. I hope that the following things will happen 1) The crazy contraption at the end of the mile long cable works, 2) the seas stay calm enough to allow maximum burning and skimming to occur, 3) in the face of a finite oil spill rather than an open ended spill the authorities (LWLF&LHHS) begin the testing required to establish the safety of the produce of the marsh and open areas that are found to be safe.
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Why is the adjective ALWAYS used
Did you know that EVERY ecosystem on the entire freaking planet is FRAGILE!!! Everything is fragile. I get sick of hearing tree huggers describe every single thing as fragile.

Even if this leak isn't stopped for the most part by this dome, even if, when it is finally all said and done we will go fishing and catch fish.

Lets for once look at the bright side. It may be small but it is a silver lining. With so many shrimpers not shrimping there is a possibility that the number of red snapper killed in shrimp nets this year will be lower than most years. So recruitment could go way up and lead to a relaxation of snapper limits.

Bycatch is is the biggest reason that the recruitment of red snapper isn't higher. Will be interesting to see what kind of numbers come out on this in the future. Maybe BP did something if only temporarily that the gov't needed to do but so far hasn't... reduce bycatch.
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How to help with the oil spill
The newest oil spill-related story is on the front page:

'Charter captains and marina owners gathered this evening in Venice. On a normal evening, fish stories of epic proportions would be told, but on this night there are few fishermen and few stories. Instead a press conference was held, and the message was simple: Venice is open for business.'

To read the rest of this story go to www.louisianasportsman.com/details.php?id=2227.
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On the bottom
Just read a report that the dome is on the bottom and will be observed for 12 hours to see how it settles. Remember this thing weighs 100 tons.

This is a very critical step in my estimation. If it were to settle to much it could potentially damage the pipe and cause the leak to increase by as much as 10 fold or some other much worse number.

After that the process can begin to hook up the pipe to it that will channel the oil to the surface.

Fingers crossed... oh and toes too!
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no grease needed
The filets that smell like sweet crude we fry with no crisco and then use da pan drippins for lawn mower fuel?

So if we apply a sniff test before the fish goes in the box can we tell if the tuna's been swimming in blackgold?

Bad tastin fish stinks, but at least some hoggs may come out of a lot more catch n release I suppose.

Good times and tight lines to y'all.

Set the hook!
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closed to fishing?
Are areas closed to 'fishing?' or keeping your catch? Can people still catch and release? Why, if they are concerned about tainted fish, closing an area to catch and release?
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Only the east side
Only the east side of the river is closed to recreational fishing!!!
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oil spill
On my way to work at 5 this morning I saw the wind was blowing out of the northwest in Baton Rouge, this is a good thing also the higher flow on the mississippi, should help blow it from the beaches,right.
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Can't catch a break
First attempt to stop leak fails:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100508/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gulf_oil_spill

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Shrimp closure expnds
Offshore shrimp season has now been suspended all the way to Freshwater Bayou, while Zone 2 inshore season has been delayed until further notice.

Story on the front page.

Still no recreational fishing closures west of South Pass, so get out there and catch some fish.
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bottom fouled
I read where more gallons of disperants have been applied to this spill than all the other spills in history combined , I wonder what the bottom looks like , it must be soild oil by now , I think it probally that things look alot better than they really are , and the long term effects from this spill are going to be catastrafic
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dispersants
The dispersants don't make the oil drop to the bottom. All the dispersants do is break up the oil which facilitates it being eaten up by bacteria. And since it is breaking the oil up into very small particles it doesn't rise to the top nearly as readily as untreated thicker oil.
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Bad deal
Even if the materials, called dispersants, are effective, BP has already bought up more than a third of the world’s supply. If the leak from 5,000 feet beneath the surface continues for weeks, or months, that stockpile could run out.

On Thursday BP began using the chemical compounds to dissolve the crude oil, both on the surface and deep below, deploying an estimated 100,000 gallons. Dispersing the oil is considered one of the best ways to protect birds and keep the slick from making landfall. But the dispersants contain harmful toxins of their own and can concentrate leftover oil toxins in the water, where they can kill fish and migrate great distances.

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@propublica.org.The exact makeup of the dispersants is kept secret under competitive trade laws, but a worker safety sheet for one product, called Corexit, says it includes 2-butoxyethanol, a compound associated with headaches, vomiting and reproductive problems at high doses.

“There is a chemical toxicity to the dispersant compound that in many ways is worse than oil,” said Richard Charter, a foremost expert on marine biology and oil spills who is a senior policy advisor for Marine Programs for Defenders of Wildlife and is chairman of the Gulf of the Farallones National Marine Sanctuary Advisory Council. “It’s a trade-off – you’re damned if you do, damned if you don’t -- of trying to minimize the damage coming to shore, but in so doing you may be more seriously damaging the ecosystem offshore.”

BP did not respond to requests for comment for this article.

Dispersants are mixtures of solvents, surfactants and other additives that break up the surface tension of an oil slick and make oil more soluble in water, according to a paper published by the National Academy of Sciences. They are spread over or in the water in very low concentration – a single gallon may cover several acres.

Once they are dispersed, the tiny droplets of oil are more likely to sink or remain suspended in deep water rather than floating to the surface and collecting in a continuous slick. Dispersed oil can spread quickly in three directions instead of two and is more easily dissipated by waves and turbulence that break it up further and help many of its most toxic hydrocarbons evaporate.

But the dispersed oil can also collect on the seabed, where it becomes food for microscopic organisms at the bottom of the food chain and eventually winds up in shellfish and other organisms. The evaporation process can also concentrate the toxic compounds left behind, particularly oil-derived compounds called polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, or PAHs.

Studies if oil dispersal have found that the chemicals used can accumulate in shellfish and other organisms. (Getty Images file photo) According to a 2005 National Academy of Sciences report, the dispersants and the oil they leave behind can kill fish eggs. A study of oil dispersal in Coos Bay, Ore. found that PAH accumulated in mussels, the Academy’s paper noted. Another study examining fish health after the Exxon Valdez spill in Alaska in 1989 found that PAHs affected the developing hearts of Pacific herring and pink salmon embryos. The research suggests the dispersal of the oil that’s leaking in the Gulf could affect the seafood industry there.

“One of the most difficult decisions that oil spill responders and natural resource managers face during a spill is evaluating the trade-offs associated with dispersant use,” said the Academy report, titled Oil Spill Dispersants, Efficacy and Effects. “There is insufficient understanding of the fate of dispersed oil in aquatic ecosystems.”

A version of Corexit was widely used after the 1989 Exxon Valdez spill and, according to a literature review performed by the group the Alaska Community Action on Toxics, was later linked with health impacts in people including respiratory, nervous system, liver, kidney and blood disorders. But the Academy report makes clear that the dispersants used today are less toxic than those used a decade ago.

“There is a certain amount of toxicity,” said Robin Rorick, director of marine and security operations at the American Petroleum Institute. “We view dispersant use as a tool in a toolbox. It’s a function of conducting a net environmental benefit analysis and determining the best bang for your buck.”

Charter, the marine expert, cautioned the dispersants should be carefully considered for the right reasons.

“Right now there is a headlong rush to get this oil out of sight out of mind,” Charter said. “You can throw every resource we have at this spill. You can call out the Marine Corps and the National Guard. This is so big that it is unlikely that any amount of response is going to make much of a dent in the impacts. It’s going to be mostly watching it happen.”

Ryan Knutson contributed to this report

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Tags: BP, Deepwater Horizon, Dispersants, Gulf of Mexico, Offshore Drilling
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Still scratching my head
A dispersant is designed to disperse. A surfactant is designed to reduce the surface tension. Both are somewhat similiar. I believe the idea is the reduce the surface tension and disperse the oil. This is good and bad.. Good, as you can not see the mess nearly as much but it is still there all the same. Bad, as you cannot see the mess but it is still there all the same. The properties of oil make it relatively easy to clean-up from water as it will remain on the surface. When we change the natural properties we sometimes increase the effort necessary to remove it. I wonder if we have reached the point that we would rather not see what is actually reality.
It was a CRIME before this particular situation to apply soap(surfactant/dispersant) to a sheen around a platform etc. It was punishible by a large fine etc. The reasoning was the product in the water was not able to be seen therefore difficult to clean-up.
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dispersant
The most common dispersant used is Dawn dish washing liquid
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Dispersant vs. Surfactant
Not all surfactants are dispersants, but the active ingredient in most, if not all, dispersants are surfactants.

The chemicals used today aren't all the same as those used 30 years ago, especially those that are applied directly to the environment. I read on one website that the most common use for one of the dispersants being used is in milkshakes.
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Dear Mr. BrightSide Mike Guerin
Mike, I was looking at one of your past posts and I have to say that it made me sick. Im glad to see that your so optomistic about this oil spill, but you are completely wrong by assuming that this isnt going to be pure devastation. On you post you said lets look at the bright side, Mike there is no bright side. And to think that the so called bright side is that 'maybe BP did something if only temporarily the government needed to do and so far hasnt....reduced by catch.' Are you serious? Are you seriously trying to say that shrimpers, i.e. commercial fisherman, have done more damage than what this oil spill is about do? There are commercial fisherman, as well as charter captains, that are equally starving right now because of this catastrophe, and you say that the brightside is that theyre wont be as many snapper caught in trawls?Do you really think that a massive oil spill is going to help the fisheries? You think this is going to be a good thing for red snapper , and other species of fish? This is not an out of site out of mind scenario here.You claim that people are just guessing at whats really out there. Well heres some information thats not a guess, My father is a commercial fisherman(shrimper and oyster fisherman) who has been putting out booms since Bp started theyre program. My dad just called and told me that a captain of the coast guard that he has been keeping in contact with told him that after what he saw yesterday, there is no way they will be able to keep this oil spill contained, and that its contact with the marsh is inevitable. Then he told my dad that he should really consider finding another job. This is coming from someone who was out there, someone who has seen the spill and is on a board that is desperately trying to maintain and prevent the oil from coming ashore. So as a feild reporter to keep telling people that no one really knows, or that things will be ok, is complete nonsense.And to claim that having the commercial fishing industry closed down is going to be beneficial to you is garbage and you know it. Plan for the worst and pray for the best. I have a feeling your gonna be really dissapointed in a few months, along with everyone else who keeps reading your posts that are trying to pump them up and make them feel like we dodged a bullet.
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isleno
that is truely disheartening what you said the coast guard told your dad. it's bad for those that had been doing it all their life for certain, but i was just starting to commercial fish and i was just getting to where it was starting to work out. i ain't ready to give up on it yet, but i don't have much hope that it's going to work out now.. i still have another line work, but this just stinks if this ruins our fishery.
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Lafourche
Lafourche declared a state of emergency and closed Fourchon beach to the public. From the parish govt email I received:

Lafourche Parish Declares State of Emergency Due to Gulf Oil Spill
Measures Being Taken to Protect Local Marsh Areas;
Fourchon Beach Closed

With oil from the Deepwater Horizon spill inching further westward, Parish President Charlotte Randolph has declared a State of Emergency for Lafourche Parish. Fourchon Beach has been closed to the public until further notice. Officials from Lafourche Parish Government as well as the Greater Lafourche Port Commission are working on the local response along with BP, the U.S. Coast Guard and the National Guard. Officials met Friday morning to discuss plans for protecting the Lafourche Parish coastal marsh areas.

'We decided our best option right now is to use our sandy beaches as a natural barrier to protect our wetlands from the oil,' said President Randolph. 'It's a lot easier to clean oil off the beach than out of the marsh, so we are working to close off all breaches along our coast where the beach has been washed away.'

On Sunday, truckloads of sand were being delivered to Port Fourchon to be placed in large sandbags which will be dropped local by National Guard helicopters in five areas along the southeast parish coast where the beachfront is washed away. Over the years, hurricanes and tropical storms helped erode the beach in these areas, leaving a direct opening to the marsh. Once these areas have been sandbagged, it will leave approximately 15 miles of solid beachfront to help protect the marsh.

'Other than protecting the marsh, access in and out of Port Fourchon and Bayou Lafourche is obviously our other major concern,' said Chett Chiasson, Executive Director of the Greater Lafourche Port Commission. 'If necessary, our current strategy is to place boom along Belle Pass in Bayou Lafourche to create a 'decontamination station' for ingress and egress through the port.'

Local officials have been working closely with officials from BP, the U.S. Coast Guard and the Governor's Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness (GOHSEP) since the beginning of this incident. Parish President Randolph has also been speaking daily with President Barack Obama as well as Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal to keep them apprised of Lafourche Parish's concerns. Last week, Lafourche Parish Government submitted its official plan to BP officials for approval.

The Emergency Operations Center (EOC) has been activated at the Mathews Government Complex. For assistance, please call the EOC at (985) 532-8174.

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isleno
isleno I am sorry I was not more pessimistic. I NEVER said that this was a good thing. Trying to find a silver lining means that other than the silver lining it is bad. The silver lining when found is only one thread among many that make up a cloth. One good a thousand bad. I never said this was going to help the red snapper but hopefully it will.

Hopefully all the starving commercial fisherman will make more money from cleaning up this mess than they ever would have at commercial fishing.

I am not anti-commercial fishing, but it is a fact that many tons of red snapper die in shrimp trawls each year. Fish bycatch has been avoided by the managers of our resources. That is all.

I will try to be more pessimistic in the future starting now.

The end is near. Sell your boats, rods, reals, camps.
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more closures
State officials close fishing in areas west of the Mississippi River as precautionary response to the Gulf oil spill
By The Times-Picayune
May 09, 2010, 3:37PM
The Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries announced today it will be closing recreational and commercial fishing in further areas of state waters as a precautionary response to the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

Chris Granger/The Times-Picayune Fishing southeast of Venice, LouisianaThis action expands the previously announced emergency commercial and recreational fishing closure to include an area of the state's territorial sea west of the Mississippi River to Point au Fer and the beaches that border any of the closed areas.

LDWF Secretary Robert Barham announced the closure of both recreational and commercial fishing in! the state territorial seas, and the bordering beaches, extending from the eastern shore of South Pass of the Mississippi River westward to the eastern portion of Atchafalaya Bay at Point au Fer.. This closure will take place at 6 pm tonight.

The Deepwater Horizon drilling rig accident has resulted in a significant release of oil into the offshore waters of Louisiana, and the area of impact is expanding.

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oil spill
I understand governors plan about dredging sand and helping it catch the oil at grand isle, but how about the big hay bales, the round ones being staked out and let it absorb the oil then burn the darn things. Just a thought.
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Sorry I can't help myself ;-)
Here I go with the optimism again. Hopefully the hay bales will not be needed and clean up crews can simply walk down the beach and pick up tar balls.
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oil
Mike I really hope you are right, I hope we are all worrying for nothing.
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Out of Control!!!!
This is getting out of control! We can send people to the moon, build nuclear weapons, but we can't plug a hole in the ground! I know it is 5,000 ft. but for crying out loud somebody needs to get a clue. Then all I hear from the president is BP is going to pay the bill. What about people that aren't being affected monetarily? What about the weekend warriors that work to fish? Where are they going to find enjoyment? I'm just pissed off because I teach all year just to enjoy my off-shore fishing during the summer. Sorry for the rant fellas. I guess I'm just going to have to learn to love red fishing!
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Will This Shut Down Fourchon?
I understand (and expected) the close of recreational fishing along the coast. If that's not bad enough...

Fourchon is where all of the supply boats supporting the oil platforms leave out of to the tune of around 200-300 vessels per day.

If oil gets into the Fourchon area, how are they going to contain it AND keep the Port open? If they keep it open those ships will bring oil contamination right on in. If they close it then oil production will stop. Scary deal.

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im no engineer, but
I'm no engineer, but why can't we drop a bomb to the sea floor to have the well collapse in on itself?

Why can't a huge mound of something (concrete??) Over the top of it?

Why are they continuing to attempt to salvage the oil? Plug the hole. Get that kid that stuck his finger is the dike.

Why can't a huge barge be sunk on top of it?

Apparently there were oil executives celebrating this rig going from an exploration well to a production well AT THE TIME IT BLEW. Sounds like people were too busy toasting champange to pay attention to operations.

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Big Country
The fear of dropping a bomb is that the leak would get worse not better. Would it get worse or better I don't know! But it is possible that the flow would increase by 12x if they did hit it with explosives.

'Why can't a huge mound of something (concrete??) Over the top of it?'

The hole is under a tremendous amount of pressure down below and I think you would end up with a valcano of sorts. The pressure at the surface pipe would probably stop but only temporarily until the pressure got so great that it would blow a hole through the still hardening concrete and you would end up with a leak and no way to get to it an implement other potential fixes due to the concrete being in the way.

'Why are they continuing to attempt to salvage the oil? Plug the hole. Get that kid that stuck his finger is the dike.'

The oil salvage is only a last resort right now. They aren't allowing this thing to leak so that they can salvage the oil.

'Why can't a huge barge be sunk on top of it?'

Again the pressure in the hole is thousands of pounds per square inche. That wouldn't stop the oil from lifting the barge or squirting out from underneat. The dome they just built was basically the barge you are talking about and so far it has not worked.

Apparently there were oil executives celebrating this rig going from an exploration well to a production well AT THE TIME IT BLEW. Sounds like people were too busy toasting champange to pay attention to operations

Yep all true and some of the execs were injuried. The rig had stopped drilling and was doing preperations to be moved so that a different rig, a production rig could take its place over the well.
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oil spill
What I want to know is why aren't they using bioremediation to clean the oil? The microbs eat the oil, when the oil is gone they die off. The waste from the microbs is non toxic to fish.
Texas has used it in Galvaston bay to clean a major spill, so why can't we.
I have sent links to Senator Vitter, Gov.Jindal, and BP and got no answer from any of them.
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Grand Isle Barartaria Bay
Will the spill hit Grand Isle
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fishing open
Hey Andy, how about doing a better job of reporting accurately. You are part of the problem with the media. You post fishing closure from mouth of the river to point au fer. But you like everyone else in the media forget purposely, so it will grab more attention, to let them know it is ONLY THE OUTSIDE WATERS FROM THE BEACHES TO THE 3 MILE LIMIT of STATE WATERS. Not the entire fishery. You & your site owe it to all your advertisers to put it out there what is really closed & what is really open to help us & your readers. GET TO WORK!!!!!!!!!!!
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Read carefully
Bobby, if you would read the front-page story carefully, the third paragraph of the story states:

'This new closure does not include inshore waters, and applies only to the front-side beaches along the coastline, LDWF’s Karen Foote said. That means anglers still can fish backside beaches such as Grand Isle and Grand Terre.'

After receiving the news release yesterday, I made a call to Foote specifically to ensure that we were reporting the closure accurately. LouisianaSportsman.com has a history of careful reporting, and we certainly have not backed away from that standard.

I know this is a tense time, but I encourage everyone to read stories carefully and thoroughly so there are not misunderstandings.

As always, you can find the latest on the impact this disaster could have on our fragile marshes and the fishing/hunting dependant upon those marshes on LouisianaSportsman.com.
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Curiousity
Has anyone heard any thoughts on what the impact of the tar balls will have on the marshes when we get a strong storm surge from a hurricane?
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Thank You
Thanks Andy for following up with me about the concerns of not just my marina, but that of all marina owners in this state. Your piece on the closure was & is accurate. The headline was the issue at hand. Your willingness to help promote what is still open & available to fish is greatly appreciated by all fisherman & marina operators. As always I'm available for you at any time. Thanks, & I apologize for the frustration used in my previous comment. Capt. Bobby Lynn
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High Marks
High marks Captain Bobby for your response to Andy. Many wouldn't have bothered, and I just wanted to let you know I appreciate your second post.
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Point au Fer
Where is Point au Fer
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Point Au Fer
South of Morgan City where the Atchafalya meets the Gulf.
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not good
guys i hate to say this but i think we are screwed.. i have thought about this and here is what i think... this dome idea is not gonna work... with the hydrates forming i think that there is no way to effectively deal with that, they are gonna attempt the smaller version but i am pretty sure it will do the same thing... physics is harder to predict at those extreme depths and pressures..

and when i hear the ideas of shooting debris from golf balls and tires down there to plug it i realized they are desperate... there is no way shooting stuff into a hole at those pressures will work, it would just blow up the pipe...

I am an engineer in oil and gas and i am not smart enough to have a real idea of these things but i do know when u have big shot engineers throwing these sort of ideas out there then they truly have no idea of what to do..

it is clear to me now that they had no plan for this and have nothing to go by.... i hate to say it but i think we will be waiting months for them to drill these new wells and relieve the pressure...
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golf balls
I would bet the idea of shooting the golf balls down in the well is not to plug it below the mud line. It is to try and plug the Riser in between the BOPs and the end of the riser. If the riser has bad kinks in it this maybe possible. It would all depend on the size of the kinks and the size of the trash they can pump into the well.
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true
it is definitely to plug the line and not the mud line but i think with the pressure it is seeing they are banking on a miracle...

i still am not sure why they did not continue to pump methanol into the dome to prevent the hydrates from forming... i am hoping it wasn't cause it only had one nozzle... possibly they cannot pump enough methanol in to counter the hydration and if that is the case that could be the reason they are trying a smaller dome...
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Specific areas?
Andy,

How about coastal passes like Pelican Pass below Dularge?? If the back side of Grand Isle is ok to fish, why not the back side of other barrier islands such as Raccoon Island? Also, since federal waters haven't closed yet, are you able to fish the rigs south of the closure in federal waters?
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Working on clarification
Speck, all the inside beaches of the barrier islands are open. I just used Grand Isle and Grand Terre as examples. So definitely get out there and fish.

As to the passes, I understand that the closure follows the outside beaches, so the passes should be OK to fish up to the line that cuts across from beach to beach.

We're working to provide as much clarification as possible, so don't hesitate to ask questions.

This is just a mess, and everyone is running a bit scared right now.

But the good news is that ALL INSHORE WATERS west of South Pass are OPEN, so we at LouisianaSportsman.com encourage everyone to call in sick and hit the water as often as possible right now.

Going fishing is one of the best ways to help businesses, like our friends at Bobby Lynn's, feeling the impact of the oil spill. And a day on the water always beats a day in the office.
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Rigs south of closure in Fed. waters?
Andy,

How about the rigs south of the closure in federal waters which are still open last I heard? Can you cross through the closed waters to get to the federal waters?
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Well...there goes the GI shrimp season!
The speck's will have plenty to eat! I think the powers that be should put maximum effort and $$$ into what will work to resolve the issue (relieving the pressure). Then mabye this can happen in weeks instead of months.
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No federal closure, yet
Federal waters west of Southwest Pass are still open, so there's no prohibition on fishing out there. See the attached map for clarification on the current federal closure.

Of course, we'll continue to cover this matter and provide updates if anything changes.

Just keep in mind that, should you decide to head offshore, you should certainly avoid any oil sheen: It will be tough to get off your hull, and you will be bringing oil into inside waters on your return.
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SHUT THE DANG THING OFF
Why in haiti are they trying to continue to capture the oil?

THE VERY FIRST THING THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE WAS SHUT IT OFF.

THEY ARE MORE CONCERNED WITH THEIR POCKET BOOKS THAN THE GULF.

WE AS A STATE AND A NATION NEED TO DEMAND THAT SHUTTING OFF THE FLOW (plugging with whatever) BE THE FIRST OPTION, NOT THE THIRD FOURTH OR FIFTH OPTION.

SHUT IT OFF YOU IDIOTS AND THEN RE DRILL THE DARN THING.
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Trying
Big Country, shutting it off has been the problem. The shutoff that was installed is inoperable for whatever reason, so they have been unable to shut it off. They're drilling alternative wells with the goal of diverting the flow, but that's projected to take months.

So they are shutting it off (and they're not gaining anything by letting it run since the oil is emulsified with the water by the time it reaches the surface).

Until they figure out the fix to stop the leak, they are pretty much left with nothing but containment at the surface - and that hasn't worked very well.
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yep
As of yesterday the relief well was 9000 feet, and ahead of schedule. The report I read said they are shooting to intersect the well at 16,000 feet.
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PLUGG THAT THING
I think they should put that dome structure back on top of it and pump it full of concrete. They were hoping to cut the flow by 85% that should do that or more.
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agreed drew
yeah i agree drew, people don't understand how difficult of an environment this is... all things sound good but they just won't work.. If there was a simple solution u could be sure they would be doing it
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Drew B
You yourself fly in the face of nature when you catch a fish alongside that ginger partner of yours. I'm cooking trout this week and you're invited. I owe you on from last weekend!
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concrete
The well is under tremendous pressure from below. There is some restriction in the line and that is why it isn't flowing at a much faster rate. If the dome we placed over the leak the pressure near the surface would grow to eventually reach equilibrium with the well deep below.

Before that would happen though the pressure would push a channel through the concrete before it has a chance to fully harden and then you would have the same leak but it would now be harder to get to for other possible fixes because it would now be surrounded by a big block of concrete.

That is my way of figuring anyway.

But maybe a combination might work. gut the dome over the leak. Connect the pipe again with the capability to pump it full of concrete from another port. Then drill down through the concrete before it hardens and hydrate crystals to give the oil a channel that leads to the riser piping instead of out the side somewhere.

This would keep the water from contacting the gas so no more crystals would form.

I can think of a number of reasons this might not work. And one of them is probably why the experts working on this problem haven't done it yet.
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g.i.
does anybody know if you can still get on the beach at grand isle? can you surf fish or crab from the beach. was told they had no oil yet but were putting oil booms out & didn't want boats running by them.
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Backside beach still open
Croaker, as of this point, the backside of the Barataria Bay islands are still open for fishing - according to the LDWF information we've received.

Be sure and read the main post on this thread for links to updated details and a map of the expanded closures.
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Link to new oil-spill section
The new oil-spill section also can be reached from the front page by clicking on the BP Oil Spill Updates logo in the upper right-hand corner of the page. This section, which we're planning to modify to include even more information, will the collection point for all oil-spill-related coverage.
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thanks
thanks Andy! doing A great job keeping us informed.
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Closure
Andy, is Lake Pelto closed to rec. fishing?
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Plus I understand that...
(GI)law enforcement is really heavy down there due to people stealing booms in an attempt to protect their 'honey spots'.
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Pelto closed
Lake Pelto is within the closure. Be sure and check out the detail map (soon to be downloadable for better viewing) available in the main story.
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inshore waters closed
Can somone explain the reasoning behind the inshore closure to recreational fishing? The article posted on this site the other day said that the consumption of 'contaminated' fish posed no discernable health concerns. It stated that 'contaminated' fish may taste bad? My wife can make fish taste bad, that gives the ldwf no reason to shut down fishing in these areas. I was in lake felicity on saturday and saw no signs of oil. Who is making these decisions, Karen Foote? She has been stuck in an office in BR for too long. Just trying to wrap my mind around the the ldwf thought process here.
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wolfmanjack
Amen brother!!

Been trying to get someone to answer that question for days.
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LA 1
I wanted to take my girlfriend to do some bank fishing on LA-1 in the morning. From what I can see, I should be okay with that? Am I correct?
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moderators
Thank you Andy, Mike, and fellow sportsmen for keeping this information updated and open for discussion.
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Wolfman and AR,
I can only speculate but...

Oil booms are not lighted and can cause a hazard to navigation. Anywhere oil booms are deployed should be closed. Some dude is gonna run over one and wreck his boat then sue the state.

Enforcement efforts are focused on the spill. They probably have very little or no time to be worrying with enforcing fishing laws right now other than to enforce the closure. If left unchecked I'm sure they may fear that many fishermen (both recreational and commercial) would exceed limits, rape, plunder and pillage. That 'get em now' mentality could lead to unsavory acts. They simply don't need the distraction right now.

Those working to contain and/or stop the spill don't need people in their way. Their mission is MUCH more important than a recreational fishing trip.

It's true that Gerald Horst opined that oil tainted fish shouldn't be harmful He missed something though. His experiences with the tar balls of past decades left out one important factor. Dispersants (sp?). What exactly are the ecological and potential health hazards associated with the dispersants?

DWF and DHH are tasked with protecting humans first. The navigation issue and the possible or potential health risk issues are, in my mind, enough reason to err on the side of caution.

Last but not least... lawyers are waiting in the wings for class action follies. Imagine 100 people claiming to have been made ill by eating tainted fish. They'd sue BP, AND the state.

What would YOU do if you were in charge? Would you allow unrestricted fishing and let fishing boats get in the way of containment efforts? Would you let people catch all they can carry? Allow people to set themselves up for the lawsuit lotto? What would YOU do?
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Good Idea
Take a look at this, I thank everyone will find this interesting.
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Irony
Oyster fishing was halted today in parts of Barataria Bay:

'In Precautionary Move, DHH Closes Oyster Harvesting Area 13 Due to Oil Spill
Officials Continue Heightened Monitoring and Testing; Oysters on the Market Still Safe to Eat

The Louisiana Department of Health and Hospitals announced today the closure of oyster harvesting bed Area 13 as a precautionary response to the BP oil spill in the Gulf.

The closure, which will take effect today at sundown, is west of the Mississippi River in Lafourche and Jefferson parishes. Areas 8 through 12, also west of the Mississippi, remain open.

DHH Secretary Alan Levine and State Health Officer Dr. Jimmy Guidry signed the closure order, which will take effect at sunset today, Monday, May 10, 2010.

DHH officials have been working closely with local, state and federal agencies to monitor the oil plume that continues to grow off of the Louisiana coastline for its potential impacts on oyster harvesting areas. Meanwhile, employees with DHH’s Office of Public Health Molluscan Shellfish Program have continued its regular testing throughout 8 million acres of coastal waters along the Louisiana shoreline.

In addition, DHH scientists and engineers are conducting enhanced testing of oyster meat taken from the closed beds to monitor the presence of oil, called hydrocarbon testing. Additional testing is also being conducted in unaffected oyster beds. These tests will create a baseline, which will be used to ensure the safety of oysters once the incident clears in order to reopen beds. Oysters being harvested in unaffected areas and oysters taken prior to closures of the affected beds are safe to eat.

DHH issued closures for areas 2 through 7 on April 30; areas 14 and 15 were closed at sundown May 8. Closures will remain in effect until officials have determined that environmental conditions are within the requirements specified by the National Shellfish Sanitation Program.

The public is encouraged to call a toll-free hotline, 1-800-256-2775, to report the presence of oil or an oil sheen. '

Oddly, oyster fishing is still allowed in Areas 8-12, much of which covers inshore waters closed to recreational fishing.
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what are they doing
I can't believe after all this time the best idea they have at the moment is to stick golf balls in the pipe ---------- what about hanging an open valve on a tripod or 4 legged structure over the pipe , on the bottom of the valve fab a hindged collar , like a clam shell bucket that has a half circle the O.D. of the pipe maybe lined with rubber to help seal against the pipe and have that collar bolt together with long bolts so it would slide over the pipe when open then use the ROV and a hydraulic impact to tighten it up , the valve above would be open during this process to allow the oil to flow with minimum back pressure , when the collar is tight then close the valve , I don't know if the end of the pipe is still round but the collar could be made long enough to possiblly go far enough onto the pipe to get a good sealing area and before putting the collar on a clamp could be bolted around the pipe to help keep the collar from blowing off under pressure
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Top Kill - Junk Shot
The Junk shot you are talking about does sound kind of like a desperate measure but it is actually the best shot they have. Confidence that it will work is pretty high from what I gathered from the BP guy giving the technical press conference.

This junk shot is something that has been used extensively in the past, especially in Kuwait. They have a number of different things they use from golf balls to cut up tires to knots in rope.

They actually have different combinations (recipes) that they can try. It is its own little art in their trade and not just someone that needs a drug test dreaming this stuff up.

There are actually part on the BOP designed for this. Part of the BOP has been removed is being refurbished and will then be replaced. This is a control box.

The bad news with the Junk Shot is it is going to take about two weeks for them to be able to get everything set up before they can do it.

In about 3 days they will give the top hat a try. It is a smaller version of the big dome they tried earlier. It will have warm water being pumped down around the outside of the pipe to help keep it warm. The temp is only 30 degrees down there they said.

Also methanol will be used in the top hat to try to keep hydrates from forming. Hydrates from when the gas contacts water at those depths.

The approach this time will be different. The TopHat will be ready to go the instant it is inplace so that water doesn't have time to plug it up with hydrates before pumping begins.

Ideally no water will ever enter the Top Hat. Some surely will but hopefully this will work. It will not likely capture all of the oil that is coming out of that leak (85%) like the big structure could have. But most should be captured if the hydrates don't form.

The Top Hat is only about 5 foot by 4 foot or so. Easier to heat and easier to keep water out.
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Concrete
Concret is used all the time to cap off deepwater wells, meaning terminate all oil flow. The cement is first put down in a free flowing sort of way surrounding the pipe kinda of a base for more to come. Then the line that is feeding the concrete is then pressurized with pumps, I think i remember them calling it the 'Brahaden squeeze' method?? not sure? that is a older term, thus over presurizing the flow. Then they 'pigg it' to stop the flow once the pressure is stopped or the pumps turned off. Thus rendering the well useless and they will need to drill else where if they want to still tapp that reserve, which is a very nice reserve . Hard to explain, but they know about it. And I assume they are doing the best that they can, under the circumstances and are thinking about the enviroment.
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pac
Is pointe-aux-chene part of the fishing closure?
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senate hearing on oil spill
i'm listening to the live broadcast of the senate hearing on the oil spill and it's absoulutely crazy some of the things being said. apparently the shear rams were on pipes considered two thick for them to function properly. these hearins are way to cordial. landrieu was way too easy on them.
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bad reasoning
This just shows that the LWF director is not thinking logically. I agree some closures are needed near the oil. But, many of the closures do not make sense. You can fish Lake Borgne but not its immediate marsh. You can fish some parts of the Intercoastal but not others. You can't fish MRGO west of the dam (that really doesn't make sense!). You can't fish the Grand Isle surf but behind the island is legal.

These closures are not based on sound reasoning, science, water samples, or fish samples, just LWF's 'whim' and vague assumptions about reputation. As if an oil spill hasn't already given a bad perception! Huh?

A lot of people and businesses are being hurt by his 'whim.' Local politicians and fishermen need to fight some of these closures until there is a good reason for them in some locations.
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PAC is open
Pointe Aux Chenes is definitely open, fishaholic.

We encourage everyone to get out and fish the open waters. We are all rightfully concerned about the closures, but there is still plenty of great fishing out there.

In fact, I just got off the phone with Capt. Ron Price (Fish Intimidator Pro-Guide Service), and he and his clients limited out on trout and reds yesterday out of Empire. And while we were talking, fish were being caught.

So let's keep an eye on the oil spill, but let's not forget to go fishing.
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thanks
Hey Andy thanks for that info. I have to keep reminding myself that yes having some of my favorite summer time fishing spots closed sucks however there is 11 people that will never be able to enjoy fishing again and that there's many more who's lively hoods are at stack because of this. We have to remember no matter how bad it gets it could always be worse and to be thankful for what we do have. And anyways there always freshwater fishing to hold us over til they reopen the closed areas

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This week
I for one will have the mud boat in the water in Pointe aux Chenes chasing redfish Thursday and Friday. From the looks of the new map, fishing is closed about 6 miles due South (the way the crow flies) from our camp in Dulac. We will be spending a week there the first of June. We will keep our fingers crossed that the closures are moved out by then. How long has it been since anyone has caught bass and sac-a-lait in PAC near the 4 corners?
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booms and sandbags
I heard they're deploying booms and sandbags between the outlying islands in an attempt to prevent oil from getting inshore. Can you still get a boat out of grand isle to federal waters?
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History repeating
> Hey everyone, this is an economic
> impact study of the effects of 2 separate oil spills on the
> Texas coast in 1979. It specifically reference charter
> captains saying they were disposing of line every trip and
> beach vendors selling de-oiling products for people's feet.
> None of this is meant to say that I like the current
> situation but rather to provide some hope that all is not
> lost. I highly suggest reading pages 127-172 as these are
> most pertinent to probable fisheries impacts. Most
> interestingly despite the fact that fishing remained open
> throughout both events the only contamination identified was
> diesel contamination that occurred post harvest. Also shrimp
> harvests were stable and finfish harvest decreased along the
> trajectory already established over the previous decade.
> While there are significant differences the habitats of the
> TX coast are surely very similar. Take a read and let me
> know your impressions.
>
>
> http://www.gomr.mms.gov/PI/PDFImages/ESPIS/3/3930.pdf
>
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Water diversion
Andy I have been thinking about how we can temp. divert this oil for a while until we get our resources together. We have to think out of the box well here goes. I know you probably have been talkin with the Corp of Engineers here would be a good idea. Start at the Old River control structure in Lettsworth,LA increase the flow from its present rate of 30%!! Next open the Morganza spillway and locks for Bayou Lafourche to increase flow, then followed by the Bonnet Carre, Davis Pond diversion, Algiers lock into the Intracoastal waterway and finally the Caernarvon diversion project. By increasing the water flow in those regions we push more water into the Gulf and delay the oil from hitting the coast and maybe buy ourselves more time!! Just my two cents!
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North of Leeville
Andy, What are you, or anybody else, hearing on any additional recreational closures? I know it would only be speculating, but the soonest I can get down is Friday and i'm concerned that i'm not going to make it. I fish the Catfish Lake/ Bayou Blue area. I don't mind going elsewhere if that area closes, but that's the only area i've fished in 10 years.

Thanks in advance for any help.
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Headed down now..
Going to hit the back side of Grand Isle and Caminada..

I hear the water is muddy. My usual Timbalier spots are closed....ugh.
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Closures and other things
Based on the current standard being used to decide closures, I think predicting if there will be further closures is a crap shoot. The closures aren't based on scientific data but on a desire to protect the tourism/fishing industry, so I dont' really have a firm grasp on how that translates into the decision-making process.

That said, I think if oil gets to Grand Isle in any volume the closures will almost have to extend into Barataria Bay. How far? I don't know.

As to the west side of Golden Meadow/Leeville, much of Timbalier and Terrebonne bays already are closed. And I have heard reports that oil is, indeed, inside the passes in those areas. So that could signal more upcoming closures as tidal flow pushes that oil farther north.

But, again, it's impossible to predict. My best advice is to plan on going this weekend but keep an eye on this site - we'll certainly post any new closures as soon as we receive word.

As to using the Mississippi River to hold back the oil, I think it has merit. However, there are some other considerations.

1) Opening the Morganza locks is not to be taken lightly - there is farming that would be destroyed and, I think, some homes now in the flood zone (I know, I don't think it's smart to build there, either, but it is a consideration). Plus, I'm not sure the river is even high enough to reach the flood gates.

2) Using Bayou Lafourche is, I think, a great idea but I'm not sure how much flow could be sent downstream because of serious siltation. What might look like a lot of water near the river levee could be just a trickle by the time it makes it to the Gulf. And there are houses all along the bayou, and flooding could be a risk there, too.

3) I think it's a good idea to open the Bonnet Carre spillway on a regular basis to provide new influx of nutrients into the system and help stave off the loss of cypress trees and marshes. There is a balance, however, since algae blooms are a sure thing when the river water is introduced into the lake. But it is something to be considered.

4) Main river flow - right now, only an average of 70 percent of the total river flow above the Old River Control Structure, so diverting more water will reduce the flow of the river downstream. I know it looks like there is no end to the water coming down Old Muddy, but you run the risk of diverting so much water that safe navigation to the New Orleans and Baton Rouge ports become unsafe. And, as much as we need to hold the oil back, those ports are vital to the state's economy.

The bottomline is that we DO need to think outside the box in this situation, but we have to keep in mind that every decision we make has an effect on something else. So rash decisions can't be made.

In short, it's a danged mess.

Thanks for all the thoughts, and let's keep hearing them. You never know who is monitoring this thread and what will stick.
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Let us know
MTG, please give us an update on the fishing, what the water looks like and anything you hear when you're down there. Thanks.
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Andy- found this link on NOAA's Site
Looks like the closure has been extended to cover a big chunk of the federal waters from SW Pass to South of Terrebone bay as of yesterday (May 11th)

http://sero.nmfs.noaa.gov/sf/deepwater_horizon/DWH_FisheryClosure051110.pdf
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Diversions
Is it realistic to think that by maximizing flow of the diversions that they will actually be pushing trout and redfish out of the interior marshes, and into the oil impacted areas? I know when the Canarveon diversion is cranking in the spring, the reds definitely move away from the muddy, fresh river water. Just something that came to mind, this whole thing is a mess. Andy, have you heard any speculation from the Wildlife and Fisheries about how long the closures might last, if the flow of oil was stopped in the near future? Just curious.
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diversions
Opening the morgansa floodway would reduce the amount of water flowing down the Mississippi River and actually delay that water from getting to the Gulf. A quicker route for the water would be either the Mississippi River OR the Atchafalia River. All other diversions and siphons are open and flowing like you suggested.

The bonnie carrie spillway an some locks are about the only potential \'gates\' that aren\'t being utilized.

Keep in mind that the use of water in one area must reduce it in another area. I am not saying all the right choices will be made or have been made with respect to diversions, as I don\'t know what they know and what they are considering.

But it is quite possible that putting river water down the bonnie carrie spillway right now would be putting water in an area they don\'t feel is threatened due to the spills current location and that sending water there would lessen the flow of water out of south and southwest pass and other places such as Baptiste Collette where it is needed right now.

Just a possibility... thinking out loud.
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Dularge
Is Sister Lake still open? I see tht the closure is getting near there, but just wanted to know if it includes any of the Sister lake area.
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sister lake
looks to me that the southernmost half of the lake is closed or maybe not quite halfway
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Clean up
Saw this today. This is one of the best clean-up ideas I've ever seen!
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offshore
Andy, are the 'Picketts' open for fishing west of Raccoon Island?
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closed for now
Picketts is still closed. Hopefully it will be reopened soon.
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map wrong?
Is the map incorrect? Had several people tell me all of timbalier bay open and you can go as far down as cas-tete. Wildlife and fisheries map hard to make out but looks like they went further south with the boundry line
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hmmmm....
Not sure.... I just looked at the map on the states website and it isn\'t updated to what we have showing here!!!! hmmmmmm...
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clarification needed
OK talked to two people who fished leeville today and they said they went everywhere no closures in timbalier bay.....thinkin to myself well they may just not be caring about closures so I call the only other person I know is down there Bob from between the banks. He tells me he was fishing case-tete yesterday which I thought was closed. He said everything open look on the wlf website well the website not clear.
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Politics going on....
Ok, what's up with the Grand Isle area opening back up when areas further away from the oil spill like the Cocodrie/Dularge area is still closed?? Could it be that the Grand Isle officials have been raising hell? Guess I shouldn't be surprised at how Louisiana's system works....squeaky wheel gets the grease. I think the whole closure because of 'Louisiana's reputation' excuse is pretty lame. This is another example of government wanting to control our lives.
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Big Day Tomorrow
Top Hat will be tried late tomorrow. And they are thinking of adding another twist which seems to me like it should work. Don't have the details but they are thinking of inserting a rubber tube of some sort into the leak before positioning the Top Hat containment dome over the leak.

If the tube is filled with oil then no hydrates can form in it. I wish I knew the specs on the tube. It seems like if they put a funnel on the end that is inserted into the leak that spreads out after it is inserted that it could help hold the tube inside the pipe as well as help funnel the oil into the pipe leading from the containment dome.

Everyone say a prayer that this containment dome works tomorrow. This could go a long ways to limiting the amount of oil that makes it into the Gulf.
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current shots from space
http://www.esl.lsu.edu/home/

Semi current shots from space of the oil spill.
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Geeze Louise
Come on LDWF!!

THe map looks like a coloring book drawing by my 2 year old guys.

Post a BIG map that EVERYONE CAN MAKE OUT.

This is peoples' lives you are seriously affecting by the confusion.

GET ON THE STICK!
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Speck Spanker
Politics going on....

Ok, what\'s up with the Grand Isle area opening back up when areas further away from the oil spill like the Cocodrie/Dularge area is still closed?? Could it be that the Grand Isle officials have been raising hell? Guess I shouldn\'t be surprised at how Louisiana\'s system works....squeaky wheel gets the grease. I think the whole closure because of \'Louisiana\'s reputation\' excuse is pretty lame. This is another example of government wanting to control our lives.

Well Speck Spanker how about Delacroix or Point a la Hache that have been shut down for 3 weeks with 0 oil in the marsh? I think there are 2 factors: 1) Camardelle is an intense advocate,2) JP is tons more powerful than the other affected parishes due to its status as most populous parish in the state. This is going to be a long process, the east bank deserves the same type of nuanced approach to closures that is being used on the west.
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not politics
Actually it does look that way on the surface but a section of the oil slick made its way west of the Mississippi and has continued to move westward. Each day Grand Isle is getting further away from that fragment. It has moved westward and has made landfall much further west and with the winds blowing out of the southeast there is little chance of that section of the oil leak to ever reach grand isle.
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Politics vs. Pragmatism
I hear you Mike but the entire mode of closures have been more nuanced in the west. They are using lat. lonns ect. instead of blanket closures. They have daily overflights so it would seem that a similar system could be used in the east. I think there is a lot less chance of some uncharted oil glob showing up in Stump Lagoon or 4 horse tomorrow than there is of unforeseen oil beaching at GI but the blanket closure on the east remains while the GI closure was reversed. They could just as easily draw a line from Ostrica to the MRGO and allow fishing behind there (or whatever boundary they might find appropriate). Why is it being handled differently? If boom lines are the issue then they can just as easily write tickets for reckless operation to anyone interfering with the boom as write fishing in a closed zone ticket. My issue with this is not that I'm chewing my fingers raw wanting to fish, its that the marinas which provide our access are going to die on the vine. They have been wiped out twice in 5 years and now this. Remember that there are zero public launches beyond lake P. Also there are many guys whose livelihoods are on hold and they are in the same boat. If it is needed then do it but right now it appears a bit arbitrary. I realize that the LDWF has better things to do right now than justify this so I guess we will have to accept it for now.
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hmmmm...
You got me thinking. But let me say up front I don't mean for my post to come across that I know more or have inside information that others don't. Just trying to make sense of the situation.

At first my explanation all seemed logical to me. But now that you make me think about it a bit harder I see that using my logic the should have opened up a whole lot more of the coast to the east of Grand Isle that still remains closed.

I am not going to claim politics or foul are anything yet because I don't have the needed info.! I see others with less info than I, come to wrong conclusions sometimes so it is quite possible that there is information that I don't have that justifies what is closed and open in a very logical manner. Just don't know so I guess it is what it is.
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gps coordinates
OK so not going off the crappy map I plug in the gps coordinates of timbalier bay closure area. Its the whole bay from little lake on down...........is this correct or am I on crack? Why shut down the whole interior bay for oil that hasnt made it to timbalier yet? Someone give me a good answer.Bob from between the banks must have read the map wrong too if he has been fishing that these past couple days.
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What about the total lack of oil on the East side??
From day 1 of the closure to the East side outside Ostricka, the EPA has yet to find a drop of oil. Why is this area still closed?? Is the Oyster Lobby keeping it closed for some undisclosed reason maybe?? Taking away the livelyhoods of the commercial/charter fishermen in a zone that has proven to have NO oil seems rather harsh. If some 'power to be' thought there to be some oil contamination on the inside of the East side, say from the mouth of Babtist to the lower part of Delacroix, whouldn't you think they would place a boom or two over there??
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LDWF
It is their job to be there for US. When did it become their job to use unscientific data to destroy an entire industry? I am sooooo Poed right now I'm about to see if I can get a lawyer to take them on in a class action lawsuit with guides vs LDWF. I think Barham is an idiot an I wish nothing but the worse for him and his family. He just cost my family one of the biggest weeks of income for the year besides everything that is following this week as well. He personally scared away most of my out of state customers. I have yet to find or see any oil in any of the areas we fish. Another thing, Why would it not be ok to fish the 'beach' but you can fish the bays right behind it? Where does the incoming tide flow to? Is it just me or is something fishy here????? Right now I don't blame BP for being out of work, I blame him.
Bad taste my BUTT. Get real.
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Amen
Ron,

I couldn't agree more with your post.

Now, I am sure I will get bashed for commenting on this because I live in Arkansas, I am not a charter captain, but I do love to come fish your great marsh.

I had a trip scheduled for Venice on May 20-25th with 19 people. It has now been cancelled. My one group along would easily pump more than $20,000 in four days in Venice.

This guy is going to turn that away because he 'thinks' someone might catch a fish that taste bad and that would ruin LA tourism??

Now, we do plenty of stupid things here in AR, but I promise you if the head of AGFC cancelled duck season because we had a sour acorn crop and he was worried about someone eating a duck that might taste bad, therefore ruining the reputation of Arkansas being the Duck Captial of the world, we would have him kicked out of office so fast your head would spin.

He has admitted there is no science behind his decision, he has admitted no health risk, what in the world is this guy thinking?

I feel very sorry for all charter captains, marina owners, lodging owners, etc that their ways to make a living have been jeopardized due to the irrational decision making of this guy.

Here is hoping that he will wake up and see the light before he puts everyone out of business.
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oil spill closure?
I am soooo glad to see that I am not the only one thinking this EXACT same thing. I have a place in Hopedale. Been out there almost everyday and the water is crystal clean, no smell. Funny how the west closures get evaluated and adjusted daily. The east closed to Bievenue from the 1st day with no oil even near the sound and has never even been thought of being adjusted. Seems really fishy, really really fishy.
I have many friends and family that fish for a living. This is taking a serious toll on them. Financially and mentally

Great posting Andy. Thanks to you and Todd.
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more from a 'tourist'
First let me thank rrrrraaatt red for answering my boundry questions. Let me second AR fisherman ( i am transplanted Arkie in texas and former guide there) We have our trip planned, then its closed, then its open, then we can't make hide nor tails out of the closure areas. Your department closes areas because a fish might taste bad...... and it might hurt tourism. It almost made us cancel our trip, seems like a real scientific based reasoning that almost made us cancel. So like AR 4 of us who will spend x dollars on everything from lcense, gas, brew, bait and on and on just about canceled because some bureaucrat made a unilateral decision. We are still planning on leaving Sat to stay the week but who knows? We so feel for you guys and what has turned into a national disaster. But Buggy we are coming, unless the whole state gets closed.
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Another outsider
The LDWF has come across as absolute bumbling fools with these closures. They may be well thought out and necessary, but the lack of explanation is a problem. Their handling of this makes the government response to Katrina look smooth. Everyone keeps posting to not cancel on the guides and that is just silly for out of area people. Vacation days, travel expense, lodging, etc. won't be risked on the hope LDWF won't close your destination 'To protect the reputation of Louisiana Seafood'. Most would not cancel if catch and release were allowed even. I hate it for the guides as I count several as friends, but the piecemeal closure, reopening, lack of explanation leads to no confidence.
We usually use some guides and a couple of our own boats. The three areas where I would feel confident in using my boat are closed. We had to cancel. I know some locals will say good riddance, but $30,000 would be a conservative estimate on what would have spent in Venice.
LDWF works for you, I would demand detailed explanations if they worked for me. They may not care about their image, but you should and they look like fools the way this is being handled.
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Closures
Hey Ar and Huck. Ya'll come to my house and give ME that 20 - 30k ! I'll show you where to fish. lol Seriously though, I suggest looking into a guide/lodge further north. Get off the coast a little where the closures / openings have less chance off affecting your trip. There are several guides that work out of Golden Meadow / Leevile area that could & would put you on some good fish.
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Cocodrie
Have not posted in a while. Cocodrie is full of oil the beaches have a good amount and the oil has come in all passes. The 72 hour forcast shows more oil coming around the tip of southwest pass and making another bee line for us. Grand isle and surrounding areas seem to be spared from the current patterns. I feel for Capt Ron and all my old friends in Venice as you guys can't seem to get a brake. We finally had a full year last year in the middle of country wide economic fallout and now this. Makes it hard to keep going on. This year would have been our best year ever with bookings. We will drive on and prevail. Finally had the place back in shape after Hurrican Gustav gave us a direct hit and Ike tried to flood us out. Our customers have deceided to cancel until the leak is contained or stopped. With the current weather patterns and oil traveling under the water column you just don't know when it will pop up again. We have tried to fish in the areas still open but we are so limited. Good luck to all of you.

Kind Regards
Capt Bryce Michel
Topwater Charters LLC
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seriously
Seriously. If Cocodrie is full of oil, I guess that means its working its way into Dularge too?? That's it. I'll calling in sick tomorrow and going fishing before I can't. This is bad news!!
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Huck
I couldn't agree more. The reputation of Louisiana is already tarnished. Why do we give a flip about our reputation? Since when is reputation a science based reason to close down a recreational fishery? I just do not get it. I have not seen one fish killed yet nor have I seen any evidence justifying the closure.
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Kajun Dude
This year our group was 19 guys for the big annual trip. It takes weeks to coordinate the lodging, guides etc. for that many people. Some guys having to eat nonrefundable airfare is about all we are losing financially. We left deposits with guides to help them thru this and will be back next year. Bryce posting about oil at Cocodrie makes some sense of closing. Most areas I know well enough to try on my own are near Venice, Iron Banks, Cocodrie or Dularge. My experience has been that any guide not booked for a weekend during late May is open for a reason. This mess may be an exception, with all the cancellations. I'm no genius, but I am smart enough to not go to a new area without a guide or local a few times. All I read about Golden Meadow makes me think I would be trespassing most places.
My main gripe is about the lack of information on the reasons for closing/opening, forecasts, and lack of at least catch and release fishing.
Hope to see you guys the end of June, with some luck, or next year.
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closures
Andy, i am confused, if you look at the map of closures posted here and the map on the NOAA website posted yesterday effective at 5 pm they are very differant. NOAA shows most of the marsh open, the map here shows everything south and east of Empire canal closed. Which one is correct? thanks for your help. CapLsu
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Closure Map
Closure Map... Latest I have found.

Here is a link to download a larger version to your computer. http://www.TheJump.Net/images/closure.jpg

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closures
Thanks Mike this map helps alot, and thank you and Andy for all you 2 are doing to keep us all informed. CapLsu
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Still coming
The NOAA has a good web site. The 24, 48 and 72 hour trajectories with maps will show the movement of oil from the accident site and where it has hit already. You can see marked in red that timbiliar and Last island have had a considerable amount of oil hit the beaches already. Our passes have grown so big that its just coming right in. I had a report the oil was in pass wilson yesterday. (Pass wilson is west of Whisky pass) The 72 hour trajectory has oil right out side of cocodrie this is not whats already there this is more oil moving in. With the current weather patterns and what pictures I have seen from friends flying out side the islands we will see more. If you want to fish go because their is a chance the whole area could get closed farther north. Clean up crews are stationed at the end of the Road in Coco I was told Boom was on the way. They are working out of Coco Marina.
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update:
The Top Hat option has been delayed till next week. No reason has been given. Only questions. Why is it so hard to get this sort of information. Very Frustrating. That just leaves us out here to speculate when a simple one paragraph answer would clear everything up.

BP has decided to try something else before they try the Top Hat containment dome. It is called a riser insertion tube. The idea is to put a tube inside the leaking riser that has some sort of flaps on the end and insert it far enough into the riser so that the it is only in a spot that has oil and no water (to avoid hydrate formation). Then suck the oil up to a waiting ship at the surface through a pipe that they we busily lowering for use with the Top Hat option yesterday.

Of course no details are available one when this will be executed or if it fails if they will quickly move back to the top hat option.
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sandy point rigs
Mike, it would appear that if you went out of Empire you can fish the Sandy point rigs. Would you agree with this? CapLsu
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RE; BRYCE
Bryce, you said that oil has entered the passes and they are waiting on boom? With nothing in place right now the west might be worse off because it is truelly unprotected and has absolutely no defense.
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closed
Sandy Point rigs are in the closed area.
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Mike
I'm just wondering why they did not try the tube sooner. They make all kinds of packers to do this with. I just though that the riser was to out of shape to try it. But looking at the video of the leak it looks like this should of been the first think they tried. They also make all kinds of clamps the could of put over the end of this leak that they could of hook a flowline to the surface on.
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Oil in Cocodrie
Just read Houma today and it was confirmed that a 200 yard line of oil only inches wide has landed on Wine Island and a little more around coon point. I understand theres some training going on here in Houma to help with the spill. Can anyone tell me where and when? Thanks.
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No Answers
I have a request in with BP to get some answers on this subject don't know if I will get a response or not. I can only speculate on why this hasn't been tried yet or why it has just become a new option.

I can pretty much guarantee that when ever BP does get this leak stopped there will be people questioning why they didn't do that option sooner. Without a doubt BP will be dragged over the coals on why they handled the leak the way they did. Hindsight is 20/20.

I have enough experience with disasters and critiques to know that there will NEVER be a incident of this magnatude that will ever be handled perfectly. The media will put on their 20/20 glasses after the fact and find all kinds of fault with all sort of response actions that were taken or not taken and crucify BP.

This is not me taking up for BP so much as an indictment against big news! Oil leak handled well or not BP gets crucified on their response.
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loop current info
Interesting satellite image of the loop currents.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/05/100504-science-environment-gulf-oil-spill-loop-current-florida/
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Small update
As of this morning's report some 97,000 barrels of oily liquid have now been recovered. Not new but oh well.

BP estimates oil burned so far amounts to 9,150 barrels of oil (a barrel is 42 gallons).

Here is a quote:
'Efforts to recover oil through the riser tube intervention should occur by the weekend. I'm not sure of the precise sequencing of the attempts to use the riser tube and top hat. There're no mechanical issues that I am aware of with the top hat. We are working several of the solutions in parallel and will report the results.'

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need current updated map
Wildlife and fisheries told me the map is going to be updated due to current map is incorrect. They opened more areas around timbalier. Havent seen it yet but would be nice to know whats open for the weekend. They draggin feet on this thing of keeping us informed. Be nice if someone from their office would help and post on here updates as they happen.I am going fishing regardless this weeknd ....I just want to make sure I am not gonna go in a closed area. ( gotta be good boy and play by law). Come friday night map I print I am fishing.
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G.I closers
Ok so G.I beach is open for fishing?

What about offshore fishing ?
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no change
No change yet. See my link to picture further down the thread.
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Federal waters South of Houma/Dularge
Are they opening the federal waters back up so we can get to the rigs to fish. I have numerous customers waiting on word to know if we can get offshore to fish for trout or not????? The new map up is not showing anything about the federal waters as the previous map did. Thanks for all the good work with the updates.
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BP AID
I went to the BP office in Boothville today to get on the list of '5k' in money to get us financial help to help cover all the business we have lost. I asked the guy helping us how many new fisherman have evolved because of this? He said some clown came in there yesterday and showed his boat registration for a 12 foot flat boat and claimed he had no less than 3 deckhands that worked for him and they were all out of work and needed money. I'd like to smack that guy in the eye for taking money away from people that are going to need it. The guy drove there from Slidell. I guess we can expect to see everyone with a boat claiming to have lost income due to the spill. He also told me everyone was running out and purchasing a commercial license so they could get on the bandwagon and there is no issue date on them.....
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money
I thought you had to show past tax records.
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Map
I am sending my 2 year old son down to Quayle Drive to show these guys how to draw a legible map..

I wonder what they would pay?
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Federal waters
Does anyone know if the S.S. Blocks South of Houma in federal waters are back open???? Losing business everyday due to this. Thanks.
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Offshore
Those asking about offshore fishing closures need to go to the horses mouth (NOAA)to get answers.

http://sero.nmfs.noaa.gov/bulletins/pdfs/2010/FB10-037_BP_Oil_Spill_Closure_051410.pdf
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Cartographer Wanted
Certainly there has got to be someone in this state that can concoct a real-time map that the lay person can interpret. Andy--you're doing a great job, but we shouldn't have to rely on you to decipher where we can fish.
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NOAA
NOAA does more than have a cartoon map, the link I supplied has coordinates outlining the closed areas, which oulines the south side of the states closed area.
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sandy point rigs
Does this mean the Sandy Point rigs are open?
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correction
BP sent me another email correcting the amount of oil that had been burned. 13,000 barrels is the correct number.
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Just opened some area on the East side
http://www.wlf.louisiana.gov/news/?id=1826
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Ask and ye shall recieve
Well this seems like a much more rational approach.
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sandy point rigs
some of the sandy point rigs, those in 20 to 30 feet of water will be open, but the green monster will still be off limits. the green monster is between red pass and south pass.
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Grand Isle Barartaria Bay
will the oil spill EFFECT Fishing in any way on june the 18-25 At Grand Isle. It looks like it is. But dont the trout suppose to stay in the marsh right know during may. We will mostly fish on the beach,elmers,marsh,right behind GI. We make a yearly trip and it cant be resheduled (company Camp). We love going ther.
If it messes us up i am glad we bought a camp at toledo bend.

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Go Fishing
AT GRAND ISLE:
The fish have not been affected by the oil spill as of now. And there are no projections that show they will be or will likely be affected by the oil.

Now of course June is a long ways off and nobody can give you a guarantee. But a betting man would be wise to bet that GI will not be affected on that date. Sometimes wise bets lose, but chances are you will be fine.

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Thanks
Thanks Todd and Andy ya'll are doing a great job on reporting the spill. I look at your website many times a day to keep up with the current news.
GREAT JOB!!!!
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All I can dredge up
BP began late Thursday to connect the riser insertion tube, but the it is taking longer than expected. The process is still going on.

The riser pipe is 21 inches. The drill pipe is leaking into the riser pipe. The drill pipe is about 6 inches in diameter.
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great job
Ditto to what Cobiaman said. Thanks for your great work and information guys. CapLsu
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Ditto Cobiaman BUT...
Don't forget Mike. He's been very active too.
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Update... sort of
Got word from Daren Beaudo Press Officer Exploration & Production BP America, that their might be an update at the 2 pm briefing.

So far we know that BP had experienced problems inserting the tube but modifications have been made and that the effort is continuing.

Also Long Beach in Florida got its first taste of tar balls today as they washed up unexpectedly. The dispersants are under intense criticism for being toxic and for potentially making the oil harder to clean up since it could remain subsurface until it washes ashore and could easily travel under protective oil booms.

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update
BP's first riser insertion tube attempt failed when the frame that supports the siphon shifted. Everything had to be brought back to the surface and another attempt is underway. It will be late Saturday before it will be known if the second attempt is successful or not. And if successful they HOPE to start siphoning oil tonight sometime.
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psi
A good friend of mine who works offshore was telling me that the pressure coming from the leak is around 30000 psi. Is there any truth to that?
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Holiday Inn Response
It is my understanding that the pressure from a well varies with the depth. Rule of thumb is 1 pound per foot of depth for dirt and less than that for sea water.

I seem to remember hearing this well was under 18,000 pounds of pressure but maybe I just dreamed that up.
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Pressure
The formula used to determine the amount of pressure that a certain down hole formation is under, is fairly simple and it is used throughout the oil field.
Depth x Mud weight x .052 = Hydrostatic Press.
Without going back and reading up on the exact numbers, I think the depth of this well is 18,000' +/-, I also remember reading that they were using 16 # / gal mud to keep the well under control.
The '.052' is a common and is used at every depth with any mud weight.
If these numbers are close, this is what I come up with.
18000 x 16 = 288,000
288,000 x .052 = 14,976 psi
Good idea to bring this point up. A lot of people don't realise what kind of pressures BP is trying to deal with down there.
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30,000 PSI
The 30,000 PSI number that was mentioned is probably referring to the formation pressure.

If its anywhere near 30,000 PSI its easy to see how they could have a problem with less than 15,000 in hydrostatic pressure from the fluids. In the testimony before congress they stated that they used a 14.3# fluid, which equates to less than 13,400 psi at 18,000 feet.

It was also stated that the mud was diplaced with seawater. If thats the case now you're talking about a much smaller figure. Not sure if the entire 18,000 feet were displaced with fluid or not. If the entire 18,000 feet were displaced with seawater the hydrostatic pressure was just reduced by another 5,000 psi.

I'm still trying to figure out why they would remove the drilling mud while they were receiving kicks. According to testimony before congress its common practice. Several of the people I work with have been in the oil industry for 30 years or more and some were cementing engineers. They were surprised to hear that the mud was displaced with seawater before capping as well.

You can probably read 20 articles on the accident and get 20 different versions. But according to the testimony there was some evidence of gas leaking through about 6 hours before the blowout, which shouldn't have been occuring after cementing. Yet Halliburton is claiming the cementing job was a success.

So why in the world would you displace a 14.3# fluid with an 8.7# fluid when their is evidence of a possible kick already? If this is common practice, I'd love to hear an explanation regarding this. Everyone I've talked to has experience on land based rigs, not sure if for some reason its different in offshore situations or not.
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psi
Thanks for the info. That helps clarify the info relayed to me.
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Bad News
BP better lay off the deep water dispersents...all they want to do is for the oil not to reach the surface where it becomes a media nightmare as well as a clean up delima. Just read where there are massive amounts of oil suspended from the bottom up, and the oxygen levels are plummeting.... better to let it float!!!
http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/massive-oil-plume-in-gulf-stretches-10-miles-long/19478982?icid=main|main|dl1|link4|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aolnews.com%2Fnation%2Farticle%2Fmassive-oil-plume-in-gulf-stretches-10-miles-long%2F19478982
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oil spill
Okay enough is enough, there is nobody in the world that has the technology to stop this, sounds like BP is more concerned about salvaging the well to get the oil. STOP the leak before they destroy every commercial and professional fisherman along the gulf. This is just my observation from the sideline.If nothing else nuke it.
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ac man
The only way to salvage the well economically is to stop the leak.

All that oil suspended and floating for the most part will never ever be used to produce petroleum products.
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Update
BP tried to capture some of the flow of oil Friday night but ran into trouble when something shifted and they had to retrieve the insertion tube to make modifications. BP was a bit vague on what exactly went wrong.

Saturday night BP was successful in getting the insertion tube inserted into the pipe but it late came out. Possibly due to pressure build up in the riser??? Or possibly due to the insertion tube acting like a jet nozzle when the gas under tremendous pressure from the depth expanded in the tube leading to the drill ship??? Both of those explanations are just my thoughts.

The tube has since be reinserted but I do not have word if recovery efforts have been successful. Last night some fo the oil was captured and the gas flared.

The ship is basically a floating oil rig. The gas will be flared like some rigs regularly do and the oil will be collected in the ships holds. Hope to hear good news soon.

It was theorized by BP that they would be able to capture 75% of the oil using this method. Of course that is subject to change as this has never been tried at any depth and the amount of oil flowing out is unknown and the amount of entrained gas in the oil is also unknown.
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Oil
Mike,

Looks like they got it reconnected and going again, can you confirm?

Thanks for all of your updates.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/16/gulf.oil.spill/index.html?hpt=T1

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Good news
This is indeed very good news. Gas was flared last night but no oil reached the ship before the insertion tube was blown out of the riser. The on their third try they have succeeded and are now recovery oil right now. Just waiting on word of how much of the oil percentage wise they are able to capture. this will take a while before we are told.

It has been widely reported that about 5000 barrels a day have been leaking. But you may have also heard others predictions that it is as much as 70,000 barrels a day. I have read some excellent debate on this issue and my conclusion is it will likely be more than 5000 but less than 70K. I would guess 12-30 thousand a day. But the truth is nobody knows... yet.

The point is that when you hear they are recoveing X amount of oil don't let that number carry more weight than it should. For example if you hear they are recovering 2500 barrels a day that doesn't neccessarily mean they are getting half. That could be much less than half.

What we are most interested in at the moment is what percentage of the oil is being recovered.

We have an idea of how bad it is because this has been going on for almost a month now. We see how bad 100% escaping can be. So if they can immediately recover 75% then that will be awesome. Not only would 3/4ths of the oil be recovered immediately but the recovery efforts on the surface would have a much smaller task ahead of them and would be able to do a more thorough job of recovering what reaches the surface.

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AC Man
I promise you the last thing on BP's mind is saving the well. Everything they are doing is to reduce the environmental impact as much as possible as a short term solution until the relief wells are completed and the well is permanently shut in.

Until the well is shut in, every bbl that is collected are saved, is a bbl thats not floating on the surface or dispersed in the water column.
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Dispersants
The big news in the media right now is the use of subsurface dispersants. One of the big problems that the media keeps harping on is low oxygen in the plums. They say it is low but not low enough to kill things YET! The fear is the O2 level might continue to drop.

Now I am not here to defend on condem the use of dispersants in this situation. Every year their is a dead zone off the La. cost that has lethally low O2 levels in an area that is huge (6000 to 10000 square miles) that extends from the sea floor to wards but not all the way to the surface.

So the plums they are talking about bother me but not because of the low o2 levels. Fish simply swim away from water with low oxygen levels and shouldn't cause a problem with fish.

Now the plums can cause BAD THINGS by basically staying subsurface where they can not be easily tracked or cleaned and aren't going to biodegrade or be eaten as quickly.

The recovery effort underway from the riser insertion tube could potentially reduce the amount of subsea dispersants used.

Maybe BP can stop all together when the seas are flat and only use them when the waves get rough and offshore recovery operation must be stopped.

I am looking forward to seeing in a couple of days what the size of the oil slick looks like. It might be almost as big but it should at least be less dense and more spotty within that area.

On another note it seems Bobby Jindal has a good idea that hopefully can be implemented in a productive manner. Barrier island and beach restoration has long been something everyone involved in coastal restoration knows need to be done but we just don't have the money.

Well if BP supplies the money for us to build up some areas to prevent oil from making it into the marshes it could save BP a bunch of money on cleanup cost and could buy the Louisiana Marsh some time. Could be a win win situation for BP and our marsh. BP saves money and we get millions that can be used to build up critical areas with dredged sand.

These areas will surely wash away again but at least it will have slowed and reversed erosion in those area temporarily until the offshore royalty money begins to flow to us for coastal erosion which will not be for a few years.
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Island
Im glad to see someone else remember this rather important issue.

It seemed no one paid attention when Jindal mentioned this.

I(we) have been wondering for years why the Arabs can use boats built in Galiano to make barrier Islands in the Middle East, but we couldnt do the same here..

This is a no brainer...
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Spin
Latest report is that the pipe is only catching 1/5 of the oil coming out , I guess thats better than nothing ------ the disperarants I think are making matters worst , I thinking it's nothing but a spinning picture show , it makes it look not as bad cause the oil is not on the surface , and in a way I guess it's a choice of two evils , either pictures of massive amounts of floating oil which would probally be all in the marsh by now , or having what you can't see that everything offshore dying and leaving a dead zone with tar balls rolling up into the marshes and beaches for decades to come
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Latest detailed map
The latest detailed closure map we have available reflects the changes as of Saturday (May 15). Capt. Paul is working on the newest map to show the reopenings of Terrebonne Parish waters last night.

But if you are interested in fishinng the east side of the Mississippi River or along the western side of the river, the map at www.louisianasportsman.com/pics/orig/p1274102860.jpg will provide the current situation.

We'll post the detailed map that reflects the latest informiaton in Terrebonne Parish as soon as possible, so check back.
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PROSPECTIVES
I spent the last three days in Mobile, Alabama. All the news reporting there refers to this disaster as 'The Slick'. They seem rather casual about the 'incident'. They appear to track 'The Slick' like it is a weather storm. At the very worst, it is not a wholesale disaster to them like it appears to some locals. It know it's ruining my season (through indecision...my fault). But, I am going to attempt a hook wetting in GI this coming weekend.
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KENMAX
KENMAX - Went to Grand Isle this past Monday, trout were under the lights at night. Check your email for a few tips.
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New Opened area?
It looks like they have opened both the east and west side almost to Venice. Map is not in enough detail to tell. Had a trip planed for May 21-23 in Venice and last week the guide called to cancel due to restricted area. Should I reconsider and make the trip??
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Dispersants
I am sure these scientists already know that the low oxygen samples being collected are due to the dispersants/crude quagmire going on for the last 3 weeks in these areas. The samples from these areas have historically been some of the best in terms of oxygen and marine organism reproduction in the northern Gulf. The hypoxic region that has been studied and watched has historically been a distance west and south of the mouth of the Miss. River. I wish it wasn't so, but it looks like a sizable area of productive northern Gulf waters, (at all columns), is being degraded. To what degree and long term effects...God only knows. I know everyone wishes that they can completely stop the flow of oil ASAP. Nature is truly amazing, and can rebound over time.... but even Nature can only deal with so much.
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BUDFISH
Yellow jigs and cane poles?...LOL!
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Bad news
Let me reiterate. If they are catching 1000 barrels a day with the insertion tube that doesn't tell us anything very useful. That could mean they are collecting 75% of the oil or it could mean they are collecting 5% of the oil. They did not know or did not release better estimates of how much is actually leaking out.

ALSO keep in mind they are trying to prevent hydrates from forming. BP said it might be a couple of days before they start collecting the maximum amount of oil possible. Hopefully they have not reached that level just yet.

I believe they went to a 4 inch tube instead of the original 6 inch to help prevent the possibility of overwelming the drill ships capacity to deal with the flow. Max capacity of the drill ship is 15000 barrels a day.

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Deadly Plums
I still don't buy into the horror of the subsurface plums of oil. Not saying it is nothing at all but I don't believe it is as bad as what is being whipped up in the press.

Here are some facts.
1. The plums are not just oil it is an area of water that contains fine droplets of oil. The smaller the droplets the less readily they make their way to the surface.

2. Off the Louisiana cost each year their is an area of roughly 8500 square miles that forms that extends from the bottom to near the surface that is depleted of most oxygen and is lethal to most sea life.

3. The Louisiana dead zone is mostly the result of fertilizer from the Midwest causing algal blooms which die and then decay which uses up all the subsurface oxygen.

4. The Louisiana dead zone is in shallower water than these oil plums. Meaning they are in areas with much much more sea life.

5. The plums are mostly moving southward from the well. into even deeper waters. These water contain much less sea life.

6. Most sea life that is mobil simply avoids areas of low oxygen. That is why the sea life off of our coast isn't absolutely destroyed by the low oxygen levels in the massive dead zone area which is much larger than the oil plums and much thicker from top to bottom.

7. The sea life that can't get out of the way of dead zones is usually things that can't move or can't move quickly and that is usually stuff that lives on the bottom. Many if not most of the plums do not extend to the bottom.
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2000
BP says they are now collecting 2000 barrels per day of oil using the riser insertion tube.
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Kill
Will, if the oil wasnt kiling fish, we'd be killing them wouldnt we? :)
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island
so with this closer as of may 18th it looks like coon point is closed is that right.
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Yep!!
Re: CrazyCoon - Coon Pt. is closed
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Oil on Marsh Island
I fished the back side of the Island yesterday morning, from south point to Mound point, i sure didnt see any oil!!!!
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Dramatic pictures of the our gulf!
WOW!
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More
photos
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And still
more
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Florida
The 20 tarballs that washed up in Florida have been analyzed and determined to NOT be from this oil leak. Source of the Florida tar balls is unknown.
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The hits
keep coming
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Marsh Island oil
That really sucks that BP has endless cleanup and booms in the florida area, a state that doesn't support offshore drilling, and there isn't a boom or boat within 200 miles of Marsh Island. They are hiring oilfield boats to help clean up and sending them from New Iberia and Freshwater City to Alabama and Florida. Meanwhile oil is washing up here while BP is protecting the precious state of Florida. What a crock.
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Haven't you heard
Haven't you heard... don't you know. A mile of Florida beach is way more important than 40 miles of marsh.

I just wish states like Florida and California were not allowed to use any of the oil and gas that is produced off of our coast unless they payed an extra 50 cent per gallon tax.
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how long
any idea how long the clean up will take and get the islands open for fishing again we are heading down to dularge for my batchlar party this weekend and we fish around coon point and the inland platforms in that area
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Mike...
You hit the nail on the head. I know for a fact that they are sending every possible boat they can get their hands on to Bama and Florida and those boats have not seen a drop of oil. I have spoke to the captains. Meanwhile we have oil washing ashore a wildlife sanctuary and not a boom or boat in sight. I hope florida's beaches are blackened. Don't they know that it is wayyyyy easier to clean oil from sand than it is from marsh? Seems pretty elementary to me. Working in the oilfield I always sympathize with oil companies but knowing what we know about the ignorance that went on pre blowout, and them protecting floridas coastline before ours, I sure hope BP doesn't make it out of this. Stock price $0!!!
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PULL
Poly ticks and bucks.
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update
Riser collecting 3000 barrels per day. Apparently leak is much larger than the 5000 that has been put out by MMS. Others are predicting it might be 70000 barrels a day. Others say that figure is way to high.

But good news is that the Top Kill option will be deployed as early as Sunday or it could be a little bit later in the weeks. This TOP KILL can not come soon enough. If successful this will stop the flow of oil completely.
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oil in the marsh
i understand the legal side of the lack of decision making but it is time for Jindal to tell the Corps of Engineers, the president and everyone elst to go to hell and make a call, dredge and build up the sand, tell Costner to bring all he has, throw hay on top of all the oil, ect. Damn it, someone has to have the balls to make a decision and save what we have... the legal issues can be handled later, we need someone to decide to save the marsh. It has been a month and now BP says they are going to try to cap the well beginning Sunday. Why does it take so long to make a decision. I realize i am frustrated and sick of looking at this total lack of care from those outside of LA, but someone has to forget about 'BP is going to pay for everything' and lets save what cannot be replaced with any amount of money. CapLsu
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oil in marsh
Everyone keeps saying that this oil in the marsh will kill everything. Why not just burn it once it collects in the marsh? They can burn it offshore, and they burn marshland every couple of years anyway. I wonder what the effects of this will be? Seems like it would be a simple solution, maybe I'm missing something. Anyone care to comment?

All I see with these dredges is our governor trying get get BP to pay for his coastal restoration plan. I bet if you put the plans side by side, they would match. Crooks if you ask me.
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Barham closes down West side of Venice
Barham is acting like an idiot once again, he closes down the West side of Venice to RECREATIONAL fishing, but he makes sure he leaves Grand Isle open.

I can't stand this guy, he is back at it, closing down recreational fishing based on what???

Barham you need to be ran so far out of office that you couldn't find your way back to LA.

Here is the latest closure, nice how it mentions that Grand Isle in not affected.

http://emergency.louisiana.gov/Releases/05192010-fishing.html
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hmm
mike is that really a surprise? like i been saying they know this is a high output well, probably capable of 100,000 barrels a day. that is the reason for the 6' flow lines... so i gaurenteee this thing is pushing far more than 5000 barrels per day.. they are sugar coating these numbers u can bank on that
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Burn it in the grass
Yeah I think if they could catch a fairly low tide burning the affected areas could be the answer. Roseau cane has rhizome or at least rhizome like structures in the root systems that store energy for regrowth. If the oil is burnt off before the plants die they will regenerate quickly whereas if the root system dies from the oil new plants will have to colonize the area. If its not emulsified oil but fresh crude it should burn well. I know the burning itself usually won't kill the cane from experience burning of junk from hurricanes on our lease. It burns off the tops but if the roots are alive new spouts come up in a week or two. However it would probably take 6 weeks of EPA approval for these morons to apply that little bit of common sense. It is time to stop asking the federal government and just start doing whatever can be done. Getting an environmental impact study on building a barrier island system to prevent oiling of the marsh is ridiculous. It is time to kick it Junior Rodriguez style and just go do what needs to be done and then harass BP and congress into holding uo their end of the bargain later. THERE IS NO TIME TO PREPARE TO VOTE ON CONSIDERING POSSIBLE OPTIONS FOR DETERMINING WHICH GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY WILL RESEARCH THE IMPACTS OF VARIOUS REGULATORY OPTION CONCERNING ESTABLISHING A PROTOCOL FOR DIRECTING THE CHAIN OF COMMAND OF FUTURE OPERATION CONCERNING WHETHER OR NOT STOPPING OIL FROM ENTERING THE MARSH IS THE APPROPRIATE BUGET ITEM TO FUND IN THE CURRENT...................NO it is time to do whatever might help especially if it simultaneously involves rebuilding islands that would be there already if not for the interference of the corp.
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Dredging
Think about it do you think the Corp wants to stop the oil from entering the marsh right now. If they wait a little longer before allowing levees to be dredged a lot of damage will be done on the interior marsh. The Corp will get the largest job and most money ever in history to engineer rebuilding the marsh. Well we all know what a joke that will be and you can't rebuild what took mother nature millions of years to create. So whatever success the Corp has they can take credit and whatever failures they have they can blame BP yet they become much more powerful and secure, what a plan. The Corp will give Jindal and Nungesser permission once enough damage is done.
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COE (Corps of Engineers)
My experience is the COE hasn\'t really wanted to have anything to do with coastal restoration. They have been brought into the coastal restoration fight pretty much kicking and screaming. Hopefully that is starting to change a little. They just want to concentrate on navigation if they had their way.

Changing that mentality and the actual laws that required it in the past and to make them start looking at coastal restoration has taken many a year with new rules and regulations forced on them.
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???
I dont get it, seriously. We have to get the Corps permission to fix STATE land? Are they not federal?

Maybe I am not bright, I do not get this logic.

Anyone, anyone?
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Dances with sea turtles
A Kevin Costner backed group is sending 10 oil skimmers to Louisiana for a test. About 20 more centrifugal skimmers could follow if successful. The largest of these 'oil vacuum cleaners' could each collect about 686 barrels of oil each day. Possibly more depending on weather and oil conditions.
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COE
Mike, you hit the nail on the head. The COE has always been about navigation. And of course its all about money and how the COE is funded. I agree with the guys they are suggesting a marsh burn now if possible before the root system is totally destroyed. If we wait for the powers that be to get their fingers our of their butts, it will be too late. This whole disaster will forever change the way we drill in the gulf you can believe that after they finally tell the truth on the real number of oil spillage that has leaked before it was stopped, Im thinking 10 Exxon Valdez or more. Of course this Earth we call home is one big rejuvinating machine, it will recover but oh what misery for so many people, their livelyhoods and our ecosystem.
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KenMax
Where are you getting those pictures? I am having trouble finding relevant images of what's going on. Someone has to be posting good (maybe good is not the word) pics somewhere.
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Burning marsh...
they probably will do some burning...but is is a one time shot...so if oil is still coming in...
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I have a friend...
motorboat... who has certain connections. I sent you an email.
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motorboat
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/05/disaster_unfolds_slowly_in_the.html
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Answers
Just to answer a few questions
BP never had a clean-up plan

The rig explosion occurred on April 20th, and our incident response team was immediately activated. This included the activation of our oil spill response plan (OSRP) that had previously been agreed with the US Government. Two USCG cutters, four helicopters and one rescue plane was deployed. Within a matter of hours we began subsea activation of the BOP.

On April 21st, the administration began holding meetings and regular calls with BP leadership to discuss BP’s response effort, as well as federal oversight and support.

On April 25th, we started work on a relief well and reached out to potentially impacted Gulf States. By this date, we and the Joint Incident Command had:
More than 30 response vessels deployed;
21,340 ft of boom deployed;
500 personnel responding.
We continued to build up our response effort, which currently includes:
more than 20,000 people from government and industry;
over 11,000 volunteers;
over 900 vessels including 46 skimmer vessels;
over 1.8 million ft of boom deployed with;
57 aircraft, 18 fixed wing delivering 216 dispersant flights.
The government has acknowledged our timely response. In testimony before the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano said:
“I will say that British Petroleum leadership ... were in Washington very quickly. They were immediately assuming responsibility...They were in the command centers and in the staging areas. They have been working in terms of cleanup and hiring, for example, local fisherman to deploy boom and the rest”
Interior Secretary Salazar said this about the response plan:
“… in terms of a worst-case -- …[the plan] anticipated the resources available to cover a 250,000-barrel-per-day spill over a 30-day period, …. So in terms of spill response, there was and is a robust plan that is now being implemented.”
BP doesn’t want to educate the public

The Joint Incident Command (JIC) (BP, the US Coast Guard, Transocean and MMS), as called for in the response plan, has established a joint communications effort to be accessible to media, responsive to information requests and informative to the public.
The JIC issues press releases daily, holds near-daily press conferences, posts all information on the incident website, uses Twitter and Facebook to disseminate information, and employs press officers through the Gulf region to respond to media inquiries;
There have been more than 27 million hits on the UAC website;
BP supplements that effort, with its own press releases, dedicated web pages, twitter feeds, videos, and Facebook page;
We have community support teams in 21 counties across the region: 8 parishes in Louisiana, 8 counties in Florida, 3 counties in Mississippi, and 2 counties in Alabama;
Tony Hayward, Doug Suttles or Bob Dudley has appeared on every major media network, and other BP representatives are available for television, radio and print interviews across the region daily.
BP is not listening to ideas from outside the company on how to tackle the leak and the spill
We have asked the best and brightest from across the industry to join us in this unprecedented challenge. There are over 90 companies working just in the Houston office
Industry: Petrobras, ExxonMobil, Shell, Chevron, Conoco Phillips, Anadarko, Marathon, Hess, ENI & others
Service Providers: Oceaneering, Schlumberger, Cameron, Transocean, Wild Well Control, Boots & Coots, Cudd Well Control, Halliburton, GE
Academia: LSU and U Texas faculty
The Unified Command integrates BP, Transocean, US Coast Guard, Dept. of Interior, NOAA, EPA, DHS, MMS, DOD, US Fish & Wildlife, National Park Service, Dept. of State, USGS, CDC, and OSHA
We are receiving huge numbers of offers of support and help from the public (over 63,000).
Nobody from BP has voiced concern for the people and communities in Louisiana

In Louisiana alone, we have 1,800 people working to minimize the impact of the spill and protect the shoreline. We've deployed 450,660 ft boom, 399,790 ft sorbent boom, 426 vessels, and 19 skimmers. Our people are reaching out to local communities to put in place a claims process that is quick and effective so families can make their house payments and put food on the table.
Tony Hayward was in Louisiana on April 28, just days after the leak was discovered. He has been there more than 5 times since this incident began, speaking with those who are on the front lines of the response, meeting with the fishermen and others whose lives have been impacted, meeting with state and local officials to continuously improve our efforts to help affected individuals, and speaking to the people of Louisiana through television and radio interviews.
We have processed $8.3 million claims so far, and are welcoming additional claims every day.
BP has issued a block grant of $25 million to Louisiana along with an $15 million to reinvigorate tourism.
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Dang...
Noodle...ya stole my thunder...and I was trying to be impotent...nevermind motor...noodle gotcha covered.
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whatever
...the lack thereof an ounce of prevention has equaled beached oil. too little too late demo start date April 20, 2010...this is our estuary at stake not an episode of who wants to be a millionaire. too little too late...congrats on your ex post facto contracts. so much could have been done to protect our shores...red tape LA's scarlet letter...the $ is more valuable than our wetlands. Reality is keep your heads up and fight for a better LA.
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BP's motivations???
Worst is yet to come?

I think many of us have been lulled into a false sense of security because after a full month of the oil leak, the major predicted damage has not materialized--yet. However, that appears to be changing daily. Yesterday, oil was confirmed at the Pass-A-Loutre WMA. Today, oil has been confirmed at Elmer's Island.

(Oil washing up on Elmer's Island
By The Times-Picayune
May 20, 2010, 10:57AM
Oil is washing up on Elmer's Island on the Louisiana coast, a Jefferson Parish official said.)

Also today, BP confirmed that its pipe-within-a-pipe recovery tube is now collecting about 5000 barrels a day. Remember, this is how much they estimated the total leak was producing. If you have seen the newest leak video, there is a heck of a lot of oil still leaking and they are capturing 5K barrels a day! The capture pipe is only 6' and the leaking pipe is about 21'. My simple math skills tell me that more than twice the amount of what is being captured is still leaking. That also does not account for additional areas they said were leaking besides the main leak.

I don't have much faith in the success of the newest 'Top Kill' plan. If it's a good plan, why wasn't it tried before all the other failed methods? Were they saving the best for last?

Many of our fishing areas have reopened and we all breathed a sigh of relief. I think it's time to start holding our breath again!

I don’t think they were ever really trying to stop the leak by any means. My impression is that BP did everything possible to maintain the well with the thoughts that if 'we can ultimately produce this well, the spill will simply be a minor cost of doing business and the overall profit from the well would make it worth it.'

Now that they have failed miserably in their attempts to salvage the well--not stop the leak, they have no other choice but to go for finally killing it.

One can only hope that after this is all said and done, BP’s true motivations and actions will be uncovered. You know, those damning memos or e-mails that always somehow find their way to scrutiny.

Remember, to them it's a cost of doing business. But to us, it costs 11 of our people their lives and may ruin the lives of many others for a long time to come. I'm not an opponent of oil or drilling. I consume more than my share. However, I have no use for blatant negligence, greed and lack of pure caring.
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Live feed
There is now a live feed from the gulf floor of the oil and gas spewing from the pipe. From wwltv.com:

WASHINGTON -- A live video feed that shows the oil gushing from the blown-out well in the Gulf of Mexico is now available online.

The video shows a large plume of oil and gas still spewing next to the tube that's carrying some of it to the surface.

Congressman Ed Markey of Massachusetts pushed BP PLC to make the video available to the public. It's now posted on the Web site of the Select Committee on Energy Independent and Global Warming.

BP was leasing the rig Deepwater Horizon when it exploded and sank a month ago off Louisiana. The company has been trying ever since to stop the oil spewing from the well.

BP says a mile-long tube is capturing 210,000 gallons of oil a day, but some is still escaping. The company initially estimated 210,000 gallons was the total amount of the spill.

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Online: http://globalwarming.house.gov/spillcam

http://www.wwltv.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/Live-feed-of-Gulf-oil-spill-now-available-online-94503849.html
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Size of the pipe
The size of the pipe is not relevant to how much they are capturing. The riser insertion tube has rubber skirts to form a sort of seal. So it is not like you can just calculate the area of the pipe when you have partially plugged outlet on that pipe. The oil can be sucked out at a higher rate than the pipe is leaking if hydrates weren't an issue and if the ship doing the capture could handle more volume. Its max is about 15000 barrels a day.

But I think you have the right answer for the wrong reason. Only a portion is being captured.

The top kill time line had nothing to do with the time line of the top hat containment dome and the riser insertion tube. They had a lot of work to configure the control module and build a lot of components that didn't exist when the explosion took place.
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No engineer
Mike:

I'm not an engineer, but there is still a maximum volume that can be handled by the 6' pipe. My simple point is that they are recovering 5000 barrels a day from the 6' pipe alone. That is the TOTAL amount that they said was leaking in the first place. The video shows huge amounts of oil still leaking from the riser and does NOT include the 5K barrels they are sucking up the 6' pipe.

Bottom line is that the actual volume of the leak for the last month is clearly two, three or even more times the 5K barrels they estimated. The amount of oil that has leaked is drastically higher than their estimates!
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Not all
We know we are not capturing all of the oil coming from the “crack” in the drill riser, again the 5,000 BPD leak was a calculated best guess but we do know we are flowing 5,000 BPD rate on to the Enterprise. But to say it’s 70,000 BPD just kills me. I’m on a BP facility that is producing 65,000 BPD coming from 6 different wells discharging into a 24” pipeline. Come on
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Simply Amazing
I simply can't understand how there is reported oil washing up on the beach at Grand Isle but there is no closures anywhere South of the area. HOW CAN THIS BE?? We have closed waters South of Dularge/Dulac and there is NO OIL. Politics, Politics...UNBELIEVABLE. They have people flying over our area everyday. If there is no oil open it up, if there is factual oil reported close it. It isnt rocket science. Answers would be nice.
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me either
I have never driven a train either, but I don't see what that has to do with this oil leak. haha just joking around. Trying to keep a tense situation light. Laugh or cry it is your choice.

Chris I agree with you about the pipe. I posted a few days ago about how some of the media was reporting 40% of the the oil being captured and it simply isn't accurate reporting. BP has said all along that the number was a very rough estimate. Now I don't believe for a second that BP ever thought it was that low but that is what they were told by the government.

BP probably knew or strongly strongly suspected it was more that is why they alway said it was just an estimate.
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Role dat action
So what you are saying is BP's best efforts just aren't quite good enough. That BP was ill equipped to handle such a well. Also,can you explain why BP made the call to continue drilling operations with a bad BOP and displace the mud with seawater without proper testing? Oh and please explain why BP has boat after boat and clean up crews in Bama and Florida (by the way they are oilfield boats hired from Louisiana and sent to Florida) but central LA has not 1 boom or boat besides the local wildlife and fisheries.
Here's a few thoughts about the cleanup strategies...
Please tell me BP is not paying for the idiots building sand walls and lining hay bails on the beach in Bama and Florida. What in the heck is a 10 foot wall of sand or bail of hay going to do when placed at the high tide line? Do these people think the oil is going to grow legs and continue inland after it reaches the beach? Don't they know that if it gets to that point it is too late, that the oil cannot do much if not any more damage? Don't you think that the resources spent on this kind of stupidity can be better used elsewhere? Your thousands of people and hundreds of boats don't do any good if they aren't used efficiently. So now, tell me how good a job BP is doing and spout out a bunch of useless numbers. They mean nothing.
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Good ideas
Jacomo
See the paste below it might help with answers i don't have

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Sounds...
like GI surf fishing is out for Sat. I guess I'll get FIL to pick out a couple honey holes along LA 1 near the Isle.
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Disgusting
Absolutely Disgusting!!!!!!!! As a State we can sue but money wont fix everything. every time a I see a picture of this I want to thow up! we need to try any and everything, centrifuges hay, hair skimmers what ever They need to get this 'Leak' stopped. By the way a leak is when you have a 5 gallon bucket with a pin hole in it thats a leak--This is so far beyond a leak. It would be like if I chopped off a finger and said I had a scratch--NOT REALLY WHAT IT IS!!!!
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Are we Insane ??
Is BP the company drilling the relief well ? Isn't the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result ?? Im just sayin....
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jacomo
I am in production on land and have been trying to follow whats going on when I can. From all research that iv done BP did not 'continue' with a bad B.O.P., it was tested not long before the blowout but malfunctioned when the crap hit the fan. Im not exactly sure why they displaced the mud but they were supposed to be close to moving off the well and moving a completion rig on it so possibly just normal procedure but I am not an expert downhole. I am in no way taking up for BP but I feel like they are much less responsible for this situation then Transocean and even Haliburton. All personel, equipment, and cementing were supplied by those two and not BP. Why arent more people raising heck at transocean and haliburton ?
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What about...........
After the American Airlines Crash in New York that killed 265 people, did we ground all airplanes immediately. Did we impose harsher restrictions on the airlines industry before the next flight took off? Did you vow to never fly American Airlines again?

What about after the Delta crash in Texas in the mid 80's where 100+ people died. Did you vow to never fly Delta again? Did we shut down all flights after that crash??

While this is an environmental disaster, and a horrible tragedy in which 11 people died, people are overacting with respect to what we should/shouldn't do next.

Accidents happen. All 'accidents' are preventable. BP made mistakes and they will pay dearly for it. How likely do you think they will make the same mistakes again? I'll put my money on the chances being almost nonexistant. You think this publicity is good for business?? I guarantee you measures will be taken to ensure it never happens again.

In the end the envrionment will recover. It sure seems that more people are angry that they can't fish their favorite spots, than they are that 11 men loss their lives. I bet even more tragic is that the men that lost their lives, probably weren't the ones making the decisions that lead to this tragedy.

I think they guy below explained it best. You can't always prepare for everything. Most people do carry a spare tire, nobody carries a spare trasnmission.

Its kind of like blaming an airline company for not being able to safely land a commercial plane after losing both engines at 30,000 ft.
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Jacomo
here is the deal Transocean was drilling for Bp so Bp told Transocean exactly what they wanted done and how. They did the same thing with Halliburton and if you want to stay in business you do what the client tells you. I have worked on rigs and this is how the system works. Bp is fully responsible and will file bankrupt after this well is capped.
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This will not likley bankrupt BP
BP made 6 billion in profits last quarter. There is no indications that this will bankrupt BP. The only comments regarding bankruptcy that I have heard we state officials saying that this would not come close to bankruptcy for BP. If I am mistaken somebody speak up.
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bankrupt lmfao!
Bp's profits last year were 239 BILLION DOLLLARS. If u think for a millisecond this is going to put a dent in their pockets YOU ARE W R O N G.

THE ONLY REASON IT HAS NOT BEEN SHUTOFF IS BECAUSE THEY ARE TRYING EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO COLLECT IT SO IT CAN BE PROCESSED TO MAKE $$$.

People should rape and pillage the capital building when they find out this thing could have been SHUT OFF WEEKS AGO. THEN THEYH NEED TO GET SOME SHORT ROPE AND A TALL TREE FOR THOSE EATING 100+ plus meals with presidente caldron AND DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO STOP THIS DISASTER.

BARACK OBAMA DOESN'T CARE THAT COMMUNITIES WILL BE DEVASTATED.
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What, HuH?
BP's North American Division will file bankruptcy and go away.

Who wants to bet?

Google, Exxon Valdez/Exxon SHipping/Sea River Maritime.

Anyone heard of 'Exxon SHipping' in the last 20 years?

All the money they will spend is 'PR' money. Thats all it is. THey will spend more than the $75MIL cap, again, 'PR' money.

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big country br
Its ignorant to say that they could have capped this weeks ago because they are trying to collect the oil. Even once they plug the leak for now, they will still produce the zone that the oil is comming from in the future, but probally from another well- maybe one of the releif wells they are drilling. There is nothing good for BP putting oil in the water, even if the collect it
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WHunter
I agree totally, that's why I'm not putting too much blame on Transocean. The company man from BP runs the show on that rig. If he says drill on, then guess what, they are drilling. The Toolpusher for Transocean could have stopped the operations if he felt strongly that it was unsafe so there is some blame to pass around, but I guarantee it is not him that's in a huge hurry.
As far as the BOP, they have already proven that there was a hydrolic leak and a dead battery along with a bad annular. Doesn't sound to functional to me. As far as displacing the mud with seawater that is normal, AFTER PROPER pressure tests, which were not conducted. Look I'm the first person to give someone the benefit of the doubt. Read some of my earlier posts on this. But as more information comes out the more it looks like BP was blatantly cutting corners and they are clueless as to how to clean this up. They pay engineers BIG money and all they can come up with is to pump golfs balls into the hole and hope they hold back thousands of pounds of pressure. What a joke. Oh and for whoever thinks this can't bankrupt BP, think again. If BP proves to be running an unsafe operation you don't think Obama will shut in their GOM production? Plus the oil is slowly creeping farther and farther. Not a lot of oil has to reach land to run up some expensive cleanup costs. Add it all up. Here's the best part. All the smaller drilling and service companies that were already hurt from the economic downturn, they'll be out of business too.
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Junk Shot
The junk shot is not something that BP just dreamed up after this happened. It is tried and true method that makes perfect sense. Slow the flow coming out of the well and then using drilling mud to stop the flow below the junk shot material. Seal with concrete to make it permanent. Has been around for well over a decade or maybe much longer. Works really well.

BP is huge and closing down the Gulf to more drilling will not bankrupt them.

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Junk shot
Seems pretty impossible at 5000 feet with these pressures coming out. Now the top kill makes sense. The mud is heavy enough to actually sink at these depths. Golf balls and rope will probably float up quite a ways and will be pushed out by the flowing oil. Mud can be pumped at high volumes and pressure and if you can get even just a little bit of seal around the 2 pipes it will actually push the oil back down the hole. My guess is that you can't pump golf balls and rope at high pressures. Remember, every other 'proven method' has not worked at these depths. Whole different ball game.
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Satellite Shot of the Grande Isle Area
5/20 shot of the Grand Isle Area.

More imagery available at www.ripcharts.com

Apologies, I am a little new to posting on this forum. Hopefully I can get it to link to the high res version of the image.

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5/20 Shot of the spill.
Apologies, it looks like I can only get to 400 pixels wide on a posted picture. Regardless, here is the shot from yesterday. The spill continues to grow and test the boundaries of the closure area. I would not be surprised to see the closure boundaries adjusted again(urrrgh!!!!). Also, it is rumored that portions of the spill have started moving west. However, we have yet to see evident on the satellite imagery.
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junk shot
The junk in a junk shot is suppose to go up once inside the BOP and hopefully causes some restriction that slows the flow. It does not need to stop the flow. The mud then comes in after the junk in a junk shot and if they can pump it in faster than the flow of the well then they will succeed.

The junk just makes it easier for them to pump in mud faster than they flow of the well.

The pressure at 5000 feet underwater is not likely to cause any trouble with the kill shot (just mud, no junk). They pressure that they deal with when doing a junk shot are normally at many thousands of pounds of pressure and doing this at 5000 feet will not present more pressure than they have encountered on other wells in the past.

Deep sea might cause some problems but it will not be that they have more pressure to overcome, that part of the equation is insignificant.
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BLACK GOLD
Amen Big Country.Glad to see somebody seeing the real picture.BP 'blowout preventer' by all means wants to collect this oil rather than cap it off.They dont have a clue how to do either one,& the people who are listing to what BP is telling them are just as stupid.Oh yes and go down there and tell our brothers & sisters on the coast its not going to be that bad.Your might get punched in the nose.This HORROR movie is far from over.
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no way
i don't see the junk shot working... first they have to reduce its flow which they haven't, they are simply collecting some but it hasn't reduced the flow... this is a tried and true method in shallow water, just like the top hat...
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plan
Plan is to not do the junk shot first unless the top kill doesn't work. The junk shot is designed to make the top kill easier by slowing the flow.

As to BP not wanting to shut off the flow so they can collect the oil. That is just rediculous. BP isn't hardly collecting any of the oil... how can they sale what they don't collect????

Wouldn't it be better to shut down this well and then be able to collect all of the recoverable oil in the ground which right now is leaking out!!! Do you realize that in a few days BP will be out 1 billion dollars and that number will go up because this thing is a long ways from over and then you have lawsuits and punitive damages and such to pay.

Every barrel of oil that leaks out is costing BP 10's of thousands of dollars. Last time I looked, which was this morning, a barrel of oil cost about 70 dollars and was falling.

Some posters are saying BP will go bankrupt over this... some are saying they don't want to cap the well... yall get together and then let me know what yall come up with.
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Junk Shot
Lets think about this a little. As I stated in other post that I have worked on jack up rigs in the passed. I have been to well control school before. If the pump golf balls and rope into the BOPs though the choke and kill lines, if will float up towards the riser and slow the flow down, and put more pressure on the connection of the riser and hydril. With this pressure along with the pressure that it is going to take to bull head this down hole will be termindous ( don't know if spelling is right) Lets say that if the well is shut in right now using the BOPs that the pressure is at 5000 psi. To bull head this down hole right now you would have to have 5001 psi to even start it down hole. So were almost open ended right now with little pressure on the riser connection and were going to plug this so we can pump mud down hole. (GOOD LUCK) This heavy mud is not going to just fall down hole, it has to be pumped down hole. I think they will blow the riser lose from the Hydril and the will have a well blowing even more oil out than they have now. As I said before Good Luck. Copper
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Bankrupt
No one has endless amounts of money. The longer this goes on the closer they get to running out. I think you might be surprised when they start announcing figures to the shareholders.
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5000 PSI
Where did you get 5000 PSI from?
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gotcha
OK I got lost there for a second. You used 5k as a figurative number. I agree, a bunch of junk in the BOP is only going to inhibit you from pumping mud down. You can't pump the mud into the same hoses the golf balls go through they would bust. Seems like if they go with the junk shot they are giving up on killing it completely and just hoping to contain it until the relief well is drilled.
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jacomo
I am sure the pressure of the well is on the order of 18,000 psi. I beleive he was just using 5000 as an example.

Clarification. The pumps used in the top kill and junk shot are the same and can put up probably double the pressure that the well could be at.

If the well is capped then say with a junk shot that works perfectly, then all you would have to do is pump at any flow rate that you can get higher than the well pressure.

But if the well is flowing like this one is then you have to get a higher pressure AND you have to do it at a flow rate high enough to out produce the well which will send some back down the well. Sometimes it takes multiple shots.

This well would I am guessing take multiple shots because the intergrity of the casing and the cement jobs down below might be in question. To much pressure could cause a failure elsewhere and then we would have to wait on the relief wells.
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Jacomo
They can pump the golf balls down the choke line and then pump the mud down the kill line. But I think that it's not going to work.
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DREW B
Drew to start with they were not just out there practicing to see if they could drill 5000' plus & spending millions of dollars,and if the inspections were done right from the begining 'in this case the ones not done' this might have been prevented.By the way wait till the rest of the story is told.You have not heard it all yet i promise you.BP will be told to take a seat and let somebody else stop this total disaster they created because they sure cant.POKE & HOPE.
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clarification
The junk in a junk shot is suppose to be carried up with the flow and then restrict the flow further down stream towards the riser. It is not suppose to go deeper into the well than the BOP. After that the mud is pumped high and fast and this stops the flow. Then the concrete is pumped to seal the well.

Also the junk shot is not going to be used as their first choice. They will first try it with just mud.
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BP financials
http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=93638&hmpn=1
They produce a lot but shut that production in and watch how fast their cash goes.
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mud
I do not think just pumping the mud will work. They will have to slow the flow down some with the junk shot first. What they are hoping with the junk shot is for the pipe to pug up at one of the kinks. If they can pump junk that is larger than the area at the kink it may work.
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jacomo
Shut down those 400,000 barrels of oil a day and the only thing you will see moving fast is the price of gas per gallon. Something to look forward to. that should make your day.
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what?
'Shut down those 400,000 barrels of oil a day'...

Why would they shut down the flow of BP oil to the tune of 400,000 a day? I am missing something.
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coast guard
Who put the coast guard to work for BP, Hopefully someone will take charge of this. Come on BOBBY lets get our dredges working and send BP, and the feds a bill the heck with permits, People from LOUISIANA use to never set with their hands out, lets get it done and send BP AND THE FEDS A MESSAGE.ALSO isn't it time for the road home program to go home.They're sucking in enough tax dollars to build a lot of barrier islands.
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ac man
ac is right declare a state of emergency start doing all we can and send bp and feds the bill
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wow
Mike is trying his best to give us the most up to date info,so cut him some slack. As for the negative attitude, we dont need it. Its not going to help anything. The negative posts do nothing but hurt the guides and marinas that are already struggling.
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accident
Last comment went to the wrong post.
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Junk Shot
My wife has TONS AND TONS of crap I want to donate for the junk shot.

Tell BP to send truck/trailer to my house.
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Post
I have been biting my tounge not wanting to get into this but this is retarded. You ever heard you can keep your mouth shut and let them wonder how stupid you are, or you can open up and prove it.

Alot of people are commenting on this that have no clue. Mike you are very close in you explanation on the junk shot and pumping the kill mud and the cement. As for the pressure, how can you know when there is nothing contained, and no way to read this pressure.

As for BP wanting this thing to flow so they can sell the oil, do you not think they could capture more of it and sell more, if the well was properly on production? They don't want this to flow like this. Did they screw up and cause this, Yea. Will this run them broke, no way.

Lasst week i made 22 years for the same company and it is oilfeild related.

This upsets me as much as anyone else. I grew up on the bayou, and i fish and hunt every chance i get. Everyone can stop speculating cause most of you have no idea.
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WLF ISSUING CITATIONS NEAR LEEVILLE BRIDGE
WLF was issuing citations this a.m. right near the leeville bridge syaing it was closed waters. They posted this closure yesterday p.m. You had to throw all your fish away. Even made a crabber dump all his crabs. Be sure you know the boundries as they are constantly changing
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ITS MECHANICAL
Everything in the oilfield is mechanical. Man made mechanical devices fail even with inspections and tests. Now is not really the time to figure it out but the time to take drastic action to stop the damage. Lets ALL hope one of the ideas work. it is to our benifit for it to be successful ASAP. At leaasr BP is trying things. Maybe if the Govt got out of the way things could progress faster. They have been using a certified dispersent but now are told to use something else. EPA in action responding to public pressure instead of good science.
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GONEHUNTING
My comment on the well being at 18000 psi is an approximation of the well pressure down at the reservoir. I did not mean that that is the pressure at the BOP, riser or elsewhere. IF however the flow were stopped, say by closing the BOP then pressure would quickly reach 18000 psi all the way up to the BOP.

The 18,000 pounds is an approximation just going by memory on what I have heard at the prees conferences and by calculating it myself. I may not be exactly right with that figure. But if it is 20k or 15k makes no difference the point is the same.
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Sorry
I know I have said something’s over the last couple of days, that pissed some people off, defending the company (BP) that I work for, but guys I could go to work for any of the majors in the Gulf right know but I chose BP. One of the main reasons is their safety record, I would not work 150 miles out in the gulf for a company I felt was unsafe I love my family to much for that, another reason is the way the company is run. I’ve been doing this for 32 years they are by far the best and safest. Was this terrible event BP’s fault, the investigations will tell the truth. All of the facts are not known yet to make that conclusion. Is the spill response our full responsibility? Yes with out a doubt, we are doing every thing we can, a throwing every resource we have available to control this. I have several of my team on response duty as we speak, they have been working 14 to 16 hours a day every day doing what ever they need to do. Look I am from South Louisiana me and my family have lived here all our lives, My son my son-in-laws and my self fish and hunt all over Louisiana and this is killing my heart as much if not more than most of you because of what it is doing to MY state and MY company. But blaming and pointing fingers will neither help Louisiana or BP.
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Keep it up!
Role dat Action, keep it up. Keep taking up for the oil company, cause there justnot enough people doing that. It is still amazing that this many people do not appreciate the finaicial impact of these big oil companies operating in the gulf. Although this is a bad situation, it will be taken care of.

What I would like to know is how many people out there change their own motor oil, whether it be car, mower, outboard, where do you dump your 'refined' oil with the metals added? Does the grass grow back? Well, this is raw crude and nature will repair itself a whole heck of a lot sooner with this raw crude.

These companies are the back bone of the world. look at at everything around you and tell me what of it you are willing to sacrifice. Then see which of are not a product of refined crude. Most complain about oil production but none want to sacrifice there every day lives!

Good luck to all including bp. We are going to get through this and so will bp.
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Why
Is it so impossible with GOOGLE, BING, etc to find a CURRENT readable map of fishing closures and oil location....

The facts would be nice, media spin doesnt do anything for me.

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Billy's Plan
What do you think of Billy's plan ? I think it ain't going to hurt , they are worried about stagnet water and need a study , they didn't need to study long before pumping 500,000 gallons so far of despersants , what a crock , I noticed on the news that Mary said something about Billy's plan , and I am paraphasing ' we need to do the enviromental impact studies before jumping into any pet projects ' , it seems it will be too late after a study , so the normal is delay till it is too late , you know she is the only senator or representative that got campaign contributions from Big Oil , BP's pet peivy , she really needs to go next election , I am so tired of caree politians worried about their financial promoters more than the ones who put them there
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Grand Isle
what does it look like for fishing at Grand Isle the 18 through 25
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huh
Tickets at the Leeville Bridge, for what?

That water is open...what were they citing people for?

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How long to recover?
Okay everybody... let's say it takes an additional 2 months to drill the relief well. How long will it take for the marshes of Louisiana and the beaches to recover? How long to recover if the leak was plugged this week? I saw the oil come on to the beaches on Grand Isle this week so excuse me for asking this question. If any one has any educated guess I am sure I won't be the only one interested in your response. I know it is a lot hotter here than Alaska, but the Exxon Valdez spill occurred in 1989 and they are still suffering from the affects of the spill! If the spill here is generating anywhere from 5000 to 100,000 barrels of oil a day I can't be so positive as to say our fisheries will recover anytime in the next several decades... does anybody know? It seems inescapable from this point on. I am guessing no body can really answer this question.

Check out this story: http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/94664474.html

Missing fishing! Best of luck.
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why
why was my comment about LDWF deleted?
Bovine fecal matter is in no way shape or form a bad word or words It is how you discribe cow excrement in a biology class.
c'mon guys it's getting a lil nit picky in here.
who deleted my post and why? If you want pm me.
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G I
Unless we can get a cold front w/ a strong north wind and some major clean up in a very short time then you can forget about fishing the surf for this summer.
IMHO ,There is alot of oil under the surface that is still going to wash up on the beach.
Surfactants and dispersants made the oil sink below the surface. (Conveniantly out of view of the tv cameras).
That's why the mayor and police chief of grand isle said that there was no sign of oil till it started washing up on the beach.
This is just my opinion and does not reflect the opinions of louisiana sportsman or any of its subsidaries or advertisers. (Better)?
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Junk shot
It looks like some of you guys know about the oilfield ,what is the odds of this junk shot working.
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Junk
I believe they are going to try heavy mud first.
But, they have never tried to mudd plug or junk shot at these depths or pressures. so anything they do other than relief well is on a wing and a prayer.
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uh-oh
what to do .

the text describes a very different closure than the map is showing for barataria bay.

which is correct?
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doubt it
i have almost no faith in this junk shot working... yes it is proven method and standard in shallow water... but so are all the other methods and you see where that has gotten us
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uh oh
I say if the ldwf is writing tickets for fishing in closed areas and we can't get absolute data on closed areas then stay home or go somewhere that has no oil yet.
grand isle is my second home and where my ashes will be scattered when i go. But i refuse to let LDWF jack me out of my $$$ when closed boundries change daily if not hourly.
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e-man
I agree about the ticket and da money .

But we could go to lake p. and 2hrs. later the ldwf closes , then drive out and write you ticket . they got to get right with this mess.
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closure boundries
I'm not trieng to be cute about this.
But it sure would be nice if the and maps would be a little better prepared.
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closed areas
It wouldn't be that hard to post an agent at the landing to keep folks out of the water . Or even to barricade the launch and then if someone launchs write em up. but to stop folks out on the water and cite them for being in a closed area is total cow manure.
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'Back Door to Paradise'
Bob, 'ya right again...it is a moral wrong to let a man buy bait,gas,toll,ice,launch,food,drink then let him get on the water...then the last part pop him w/a ticket'!!!...guess that's a Chamber of Commerce welcome back to Louisiana thing ???...cheers
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Barataria closing
That's funny.
I was fishing barataria bay yesterday.
When I left the launch it wasn't closed but it closed once I got there.
So I could have gotten a ticket.
Why not just pull up to boats and tell them they're fishing in a closed area and to disperse?
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delecroix
Newest map doesnt show anything on delecroix closures. Just breton sound and the 29 30 00 on the west side. So delecroix is still open correct?
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Delacroix opened
Delacroix and Hopedale are still open for fishing. In fact, I was out there yesterday with my father. So get on out there and enjoy.
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Difficulty with closures
The problem with these closures has been they are coming so fast that it's hard for anyone to keep up. A portion of eastern Barataria Bay was closed about 5:20 p.m. yesterday, and then the rest of the bay was shut down four hours later. The closures were effective immediately upon announcement, and that could mean some anglers were legal when they left the launch but were in violation at some point in their trip.

Very confusing, and I have no idea how enforcement agents are handling the matter.
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Today
Federal Fish and Wildlife came and visited me this morning @09:30. They informed me of the closure of waters north of Grand Isle. They just asked me to pick up and told me I would have to go almost to Larose to fish. I just picked up and went home. I at least caught a few. I guest I\'ll have to eat them slowy. Don\'t know when we\'ll be able to fish them again.It makes me very sad. I didn\'t think I would feel this way. I understand our need for fuel, I didn\'t paddle out there. I just wish something could have been done to prevent this from going so far.
PS Did see a 4 foot line of oil in Barataria from Middle Bank to Four Bayou.
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closures
that is a big problem for the crab fishermen. put out traps today, bait and fuel, and tomorrow the area might close. not worth it.
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WOW!!!
JP officials actually commandeered BP's boats in grand isle. GOOD. i really think this is going to bust out soon..
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fish kill??

i was unaware of the closure yesterday i went fish tambour bay found a bunch of dead pogies