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Stopping the oil

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This is unbelievable that they can't stop up a pipe in this day and age. They have plenty people out there with great ideas but the problem is no one will listen. Think of surgery, a pair of hemostats shuts off blood from a vein. This pipe is nothing more than a large vein out the heart of the earth. I think a large hydraulic scissor with radius surfaces would close the pipe immediately. Think of this, if you put a piece of conduit in a vice and tighten down its gonna flatten and as long as you leave the pressure there it can't open up. A hydraulic finger with radius edges to keep from shearing the pipe with a predetermined closure amount to allow it to squeeze completely then stop before shearing the pipe and a shut off valve in the hydraulic lines to hold it at that rate of pressure until they get new well drilled. Wouldn't be very hard to build such a device and the parts to build this are available at any hydraulic supply and ship yard and can be made ASAP. Anyone know anyone worth calling to pass this on please do.
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pressure/relief well
You have a good point but do you think the tools they have built today would work at those kinds of pressures? It is 5k feet under water. Plus if the pipe sheers then you have an even bigger leak. Second problem is there is oil leaking from the BOP stack. Wouldn't crimping the riser increase the pressure at that point increasing flow? Just my thoughts here. I think the plan that they are going with now, to insert a 'hose' into the fracture pipe and suck the oil to the top is the quickest and best way to minimize the spill until the relief well is drilled. This would make it easier for the skimmers to cleanup the rest that does leak out.
Here is a question for anyone with more experience with drilling and well construction. The diagram of the relief well shows the entry point into the existing well below the oil bearing zone. To me an entry above that would shut off flow to the well completely. Also, if they enter higher in the well it would take less time? What is the reason for drilling so deep before intersecting the well?
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Intersect
jacomo, they need to intersect @ or near the top of the formation that they think is giving the oil and gas. This is necessary so that when they pump the kill mud ( kill mud is a liquid mud that creates more hydrostatic pressure on the formation than that of which the formation puts forth), the mud will not be blown out of the well faster than they can pump it in. Sort of like fighting a fire in a way. Attack it at base. Once they have the well killed then they will pump cement to perm seal off the wellbore. I wish I were better at explaining things. Hope this helps.
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BLACK GOLD
It's like i said in my report.They have ways to cap it off.Some people think what said is crazy.Watch what i said when it's all over & done.There going to try to retrieve this oil any way they can to the last minute till somebody puts there down and says cap it off.Maybe it will be OBAME.Yes they could redrill it again but why should they.They already have the casing in place.Any thing else they or try is costing them money.And WHEN & i mean when they quit playing with this thing it's going to cost them a lot. Buy the way i have a boat & saltwater equipment for sale.GOING CHEAP.Want need for a while.Just my thoughts.My prayers go out for everybody on the coast.
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You might be right
Hindsight is 20/20 and after it is all said and none there are going to be numerous methods that could have been used to stop the flow early on. But no action is going to be taken by BP that might make matters worse. If an attempted fix fails sometimes it could lead to 12X the amount of oil flowing out of the well than is currently flowing.

If you put 12x as much oil that will totally overwhelm recovery efforts on the surface and you would be looking back just wishing you could go back in time and not try that particular fix.

Right now the oil is being dealt with about as fast as it is being leaked.

Think about this and give BP some credit. The size of the oil on the surface if you look back over the life of the spill has actually gone down from the worst times and now they have it pretty much staying the same size and the vast majority of the oil is being dealt with either by burning, skimming, evaporation etc. before it can reach shore.

So you might be right your method just might work. I certainly don't know the answer. Just grasping but maybe the pipe is of a material and a temperature right now that they believe it would not easily flatten and would instead fracture. Just thinking out loud.

I do know that they are evaluating all suggestions. They have a huge team that sorts the ideas and people are being listened too.

On of the BP guys was asking by a reporter live about a possible heater a company has a prototype of that might help with hydrate formation by supplying heat. The BP guy knew of the device and the idea was still on their list of things that might be used.

Since then no containment dome has been attempted. But the point is if outside layman information was not being truely looked at then there is no way he would have known about the device that isn't even out on the market yet.

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jffb57
jffb57 you logic is flawed. BP is not recoving the vast majority of the oil that is leaking out into the Gulf of Mexico. They are burning some, skimming some which can be recovered after processing, but much more is being lost to decomposition and evaporation.

BP is losing millions of dollars worth of oil each day simply because the oil they would have been able to recover if the leak could be stopped will now never be recoved in a usable form by BP... other than the skimmers.

The well that you think they are trying to protect will NEVER be used for procution. You say why drill another well when they already have one. They are already drilling two more wells!!! And at least one of those if not both will have to be abandoned as well..... So they aren't saving on drilling cost; the longer this goes on the higher their drilling cost.

And the money they are paying to clean up this mess just keeps on climbing and will continue to mount as long as the well is leaking, and for some time after. AND if that isn't enough the amount of money they will have to pay to lawsuits continues to climb the longer it impacts other businesses.
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Bigjim
This sounds good but there are alot of reasons that I think it wouldn't work. One of the biggest reasons is that the riser ( pipe that the oil is leaking from) will not hold the pressure that the well is blowing. The riser is only for having a way to have your mud returns back to surface when your drilling. Your BOP (Blow out preventer) is what is designed to shut the well in, in a blow out. In this case the BOP didn't work for some reason or another. If they were to squeeze the riser off to shut the flow off it could cause the riser to bust off and have a hole lot more oil coming out and then may not have any other way to tie back into it.
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Oil
Thx for the feedback Copperehead, I didn't realize the riser pipe wasn't capable of holding the pressure of mother earth, I thought it was the same pipe as used in the main line. I love good info, this helps with understanding the whole situation better. BP should of had one of their hundreds if not thousands of engineers pull a cad drawing and modify it for situation and explain in detail different parts and situations, this would be very helpful for everyone to understand the situation and what they're up against. Just a thought.
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revenue
They aren't capping it or shutting it off because if they did that they would not be able to 'siphon' off the oil and process it. They are more concerned with keeping it open to profit off of it then they are about protecting the water. They don't make money off seafood or fishing license.
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I don't know what else to say
BP makes money off of oil they extract from the earth. BP does not make oil from releasing oil into the gulf.

BP is not recaputing the majority of the oil that is leaking out. All the oil and all of the gas that is leaking out is a net loss for BP. It does not make sense for BP to pay 20,000 dollars for a barrel of oil recovered on the surface of the gulf when they will only reap 78 some odd dollars for that oil. That is a huge loss.

BP will ultimately recover the extractable oil that is in the earth beneath the well. The less oil that leaks out the more oil they will be able to sale. The more oil that leaks out the less oil they will be able to sale.

The more oil that leaks out the higher their cost for cleanup, recovery, damages, cleanup personnel, chemicals, booms, bird cleaning, training etc etc.

The more oil that leaks out the worse the PR.

There is ZERO advantage for BP to not stop the leak.
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Mike
Mike, you are right on target and I have worked in the oilfeild for 28 + years but not with subsea just jack ups. I have been trying to think of a way to stop this oil or even slow it down some but I'm at a blank. Had this happen on a jack up it would have been diff. Even if you couldn't shut it in, by now I think it would have bridged over by now. Saying that now that the riser has fell into the gulf waters and has some static pressure on the well I don't think that it will bridge over.
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