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So what is the status on the Flyway Federation? Is it taking members? Has any state representatives gotten onboard?
I hear there is a Facebook page that gets heated at times, but I am not on Facebook.
Son of a b**ch, I was in a good mood until i watch the corn video! lol
Hell, they even say it in the video, they use the actual phrase 'short stopping'
And that video is from 2009!
We keep being told it's habitat loss not anything else. It's an easy sell in Louisiana. But we're not the only ones. I posted the site for the guide service in Missouri that BRAGS that they're the new Stuttgart. Some of the online forums in Arkansas those guys are doing the same thing we are. Talking about how 'it's not like it used to be,' and discussing their theories of why they're not seeing the ducks they're used to seeing. Everything from not enough farmers in Arkansas, to too many hunters, to mojo decoys, etc....
What habitat loss has Arkansas had? They don't have coastal marshes being lost everyday the size of a football field.
https://www.arkansashunting.net/threads/iâm-worried-about-our-ducks.225449/Oh and I'd like to throw one more thing out there. It been brought up a few times in this thread that LA still kills more ducks than any other state. How does this justify hunters up North implementing legalized baiting tactics, and pond heaters that alter a ducks natural inclination to migrate?
One might say we're beating a dead horse but the longer this discussion has gone on, the more research I've done and the madder I've got about it. I know diddly squat about growing corn and figured that flooding a corn field is not something that would be good for a corn field. So I find this online guide on how to manage a corn field that has been flooded:
Here's the highlight of it, 'In order for a corn plant to survive, it needs oxygen. Once a corn field has been flooded, it only takes about 48 hours for the plant's roots to be depleted of oxygen.'
If you're flooding a corn field, you're basically killing the plant, and degrading the soil. If you kill the plant the vegetable/fruit, in this case, corn, will fall from the stalk. How is this not considered baiting? And any comparison of hunting a flooded corn field to a rice field is an apples and oranges comparison as we all know that flooding the field is part of farming rice.
Another point of contention is that the rice fields traditionally hunted in Louisiana are in the wintering grounds. At no point manipulating the natural migration instincts of the duck. These ducks are still on their duck schedule.
Whereas a flooded corn field up north alters this migration instinct, holding them in place, delaying their migration.
Heck, the website for this guide service in Missouri even says as much!
These guys guide over different terrain but it's very clear their area benefits from flooded crops. 'We utilize ice eaters in our open flooded fields and irrigation ponds.'
We're all in agreement with the ice eaters, baiting and short stopping tactics. My last few posts were written with a heavy dose of sarcasm regarding those topics.
I spoke with Josh earlier, I've always been onboard with the FFL idea, and now I'm really excited about it.
So this is a 2 part post.1. I stumbled upon this program named Vanishing Paradise, and on their website they have a recent article about why the big freezes we had did not bring ducks. So all these years we thought ducks don't like cold weather and they will migrate with cold fronts. WRONG! It's only applicable before December apparently! lol
I don't know what to think, but here it is:
So there it is, all the posts with theories and questioning Ducks Unlimited, LDWF, hunters up in yankee land with pond heaters and the whole time it was really......Ducks don't mind the cold weather after all!2. So I'll say I owe Ducks Unlimited a bit of an apology. I had no idea they helped to start this Vanishing Paradise initiative with the National Wildlife Federation. Now if we could get them on the right side of the short stopping migration tactics they'll might be alright. This certainly seems like something the FFL may want to align itself with regards to the habitat issue.
After reading some of the recent posts on this thread the first thing that comes to mind in a quote from Mark Twain, 'there are lies, damn lies, and statistics.' The numbers might be what they are, but good luck convincing a group of hunters that spent a season looking at bare skies and had to shoot scaup all season to make it worth the trouble of going to the blind. Oh and all the while cold front after cold front are moving through the south.
So let me play devils advocate. So the birds are here, they just 'redistribute'. And because the habitats are so bad, I suppose they are all congregated up in the 'high rent' areas of Louisiana. So to me it sounds like the answer is those of us hunting in the ghetto marshes that supposedly have no food and water, really should be able to bait our ponds.
I mean heck, if those boys up north can run those pond heaters because they ice over, turning their ponds into 'poor habitats' then surely any reasonable mind would conclude that the only possible solution here is to let us bait our ponds. How about we spread the wealth during duck season until waiting for it to end so they can 'redistribute.'
If we cant bait our ponds, then the tales we heard of clouds of ducks in the skies will turn into us telling our future kids about random groups of scaup. 'Oh those were the days junior. We would put out decoy spreads of mallards, teal, grays, and heck even a pintail! We would sit there just waiting....... waiting for the glorious sight of a group of 6 scaup to come within range so we wouldn't go home empty handed! Oh you young boys just don't know. Those were the days!'
I would also say allowing a natural migration for waterfowl should also be part of the focus. But yes, it will be much easier to gain funding and gov support by starting with improving LA habitats.
jgoins1981, I'll hit you up on your email later to discuss further, but I think you're moving in the right direction. I would just caution against moving too quickly and focusing more on making sure this 'movement' or organization or however we want to categorize it, is taking the correct actions to become something sustainable.
If this thing gets off thing gets off the ground don't think that companies and organizations that lets say, have differing opinions or motivations than ours, won't try to cut the legs off it before it gets any steam.
OK. So I think we are all pretty much in consensus that we 'Louisiana duck hunters' are being lied to and screwed over in a number of ways all laid out in great detail throughout this post.
I think we're at the point we should be looking to the next step. One for sure, is cut off support for organizations that are not helping LA duck hunters. I for one decided a long time ago to stop sending money to Ducks Unlimited. You do what you think is right with that organization.
I like Delta Waterfowl, but they're a big organization that does not have roots in Louisiana. Will they be willing to take up the fight against the pond heaters just as an example?
Secondly, how do we as LA duck hunters organize and get our concerns heard. I just did a quick internet search, I don't know much about this organization but I'm throwing it out there:
I don't know if this is a group that can or is willing to become the face of our concerns or if something completely new has to form. But we need to begin to coalesce NOW or else we risk just sounding like a bunch of old and young crusty bitter hunters crying on a web-forum while the fat cats that never get dirty, probably hunt in tennis shoes from some Ducks Unlimited 'improved' land that none of us can hunt, laugh their @sses of at us, the working man Louisiana duck hunter.
OH, and they didn't even finish the survey! So that means the real estimate is closer to like 4 or maybe even 5 million!! Blessed we are, blessed I say!!
January estimate is at 3.07 million ducks. All is well! Move along folks, nothing more to discuss here. Plenty of ducks for everyone, please shift your attention elsewhere. If you don't have limits of mallards and pintails it's your own fault!
(Heavy on the sarcasm if it wasn't obvious)
One thing we'll all need to understand is no one cares about Louisiana ducks hunters except Louisiana duck hunters. When we give our money to organizations like Ducks Unlimited, Delta Waterfowl etc, it is with the intent of bettering a sport we all love, and preserving a big part of our culture. Yes, these organizations have done a lot of positive things, but we need to decide which one if any represents our interests as LOUISIANA duck hunters.
In this country sadly one of the biggest catalysts of change is money. The federal government, and the state government quite honestly could care less about 'us'. The average duck hunter that has to work for his ducks. I say this because as long as we blindly give money to organizations which represent us in Baton Rouge and Washington DC, that keep telling us as Louisiana duck hunters that 'all is well' while we sit in empty ponds nothing will change.
I'm not going to tell people how to spend their money, but before you blindly renew the membership to your organization of choice, ask yourself, '1. where is my money going, 2. does this organization fight for my concerns as a LOUISIANA duck hunter, and 3. does this organization actually listen to you, as a hunter, or do they simply take your money and tell you 'all is well'.
That's wonderful that Ducks Unlimited has done all these things in Louisiana as stated in an earlier post by Larry Reynolds. But why should I keep sending my money to them if I'm not getting any return on that investment? We keep being told all these things are being done to improve the sport. We see these reports of X amount of birds here and there. Yet nothing to show for it.
When you get a huge cold front come through, and you're driving through Cameron parish and you don't see the caravans of trucks hauling boats on Hwy 27 something is wrong. Sorry, but all is not well.
Here ya go fellas. Delta Waterfowl January Migration report, 4:15 into the video the guy says hunters with ice eaters have big holes and they're seeing some 'reverse migration.' So as far as I'm concerned, there is zero difference in baiting a pond, and running an ice eater in a pond. On both accounts it's altering the habitat in an unnatural fashion to entice ducks for the sole purpose of hunting.https://deltawaterfowl.org/january-migration-report/And as long as the big money folks in Ducks Unlimited can cherry pick where they want to hunt all over the country, you know they could not care less.
Maybe Delta Waterfowl gets onboard, who knows.
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